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Jasmine Constantine
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Posted - 2006.02.25 18:37:00 -
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Edited by: Jasmine Constantine on 25/02/2006 18:44:36
And of course the rl "great war" was ww1 which was smaller in scope than ww2 anyhow (being mainly european in focus). For my money the reason the Great Northern War was so hugely contested and well remembered was the personality of the combatents, the PR saturation and the skill of the fleet commanders etc etc etc. It had commenators, film-makers par excellence, news stories and intrigue to the max. That rona-kia series of vids is fantastic llebring was an artist! And it was also at a changing time in eve technically :-
Interceptors and tech2 was a new thing. Meant that a new breed of elite tech2 fighter jocks won fame and infamy. Castor changes were altering the game a lot, POS's hadn't yet slowed down the process of territorial control but capturable stations were flipping by the week. Then the IGA appeared and the stakes were raised to mega levels at cheap wardec prices and immediate consequence.
Alliances actually died! Lots of them! the casualties were immense and the landscape changed. And out of the wreckage of dead ideologies came new ideas like the BOB and G models for alliances that forever did away with the whole territorial mining caste led informal alliance game.
Its fair to say that eve before the GNW and eve after are two different countries. The world changed and players changed with it.
All these things combine to make the GNW what it was.
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Vina
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Posted - 2006.02.25 19:44:00 -
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The SA/CA war was different from the norther wars. SA/CA war was just all of us in the south getting our fix of pvp everyday. It didn't really spring from any sort of ideaoligies or the sort... just both of us pirating eachother in catch and it escalated into everyday fleet battles in u-q from there.
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Gizzit
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Posted - 2006.02.25 19:53:00 -
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Edited by: Gizzit on 25/02/2006 19:53:06
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Halseth Durn
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Posted - 2006.02.25 20:25:00 -
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Not bad jasmine. I am impressed.
I will give you a 98% accuracy on the players involved. Your assessments of those factions and how they fit into the conflict could be used as reference material. One correction would be to recognise that all PA corps at that time had industrial AND combat capabilities to different degrees. I believe that coupled with our organization was our greatest strength.
On the siutational acuuracy, I would give you a strong 75% rating. A "very good" rating indeed but I do not blame you for these discrepancies. Propaganda was rampant at the time and most beleived the facts of the popular threads at the time. As a central figure and all truth displayed, I can easily say that some of the actual events were not quite as dramatic as portrayed for the public. No griping from from me, but the real truth remains in heads (and chatlog folders) of about 4 people. Still, congrats on your synopsis.
One thing I do see omited is the central issue of NAST. For a time, it actually worked and the north had never seen security and prosperity on that scale before or since. On the outbreak of war, phase 3 of NAST was poised to invite important individual corps into the fold. Unfortunately, around the same time most in the north were begining to realize that EVE without conflict was uterly boring. And hey, if you are going to make a war, you might as well make it a Great one. 
Like most, I am proud to have been a part of one of the conflicts that spawned lengendary characters, forged great corporations and draws the EVE map to this very day. Look around at the big players in 0.0 and you will see the same people that rose to the occasion and proved what they are made of durring the GNW.
Hal
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Leafo
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Posted - 2006.02.25 20:40:00 -
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Edited by: Leafo on 25/02/2006 20:42:55
Good summary JC, I think I can agree to everything in there.
For more visual information there was like a gazillion videos made both during and right after the war.
Below is some of them in chronological order. There are loads more but these are the ones that came in to mind right now.
If you are totally new to GNW you should check out LLeBRing's The Great Northern War (Timeline) - Outbreak / Tides of War.
NSN-File #9: Attack on PA [04.06.01]
The first big engagement in the GNW that Eddz refered to. (Leafo, NSN)
Vanguard [04.06.19 - 04.06.26]
Mixed fights from that week.(Leafo, NSN)
PA vs. FU [not sure on date, somewhere here]
Fights between PA and FU. (Duke Rottingham)
NSN-File #11: The Art Of War [04.07.09 - 04.07.11]
Mixed fights PA vs "m0ovolution" from that weekend.(Leafo, NSN)
NSN-File #13: War is Evil [04.08.06]
NSN and RONA-KIA against Fade and CoD.(Leafo, NSN)
NSN-File #14: Resort Burgerking [04.08.21]
A video from the **** hole of EVE, BKG-Q2. That system was one of the most contested systems in the GNW.(Leafo, NSN)
The Last Stand [not sure on date, somewhere here]
A big fight in 6NJ between Evol/RKK and PA, one of my personal favourites for best EVE video ever. (Anede, RKK)
NSN-File #16: Dead? Again? [04.09.17]
Mixed ganks and fights all over the north, from that week.(Leafo, NSN)
The Great Northern War (Timeline) - Outbreak / Tides of War [04.09.20]
A summary of the entire war, very accurate that got accepted by both sides. (LLeBRing, RONA)
NSN-File #17: Homecoming [04.09.29]
This is pretty much where PA did its last attempt to really gather up and try and stand up.(Leafo, NSN)
The Battle For Venal - Part I [04.09.29]
One of the last big fights of the GNW.(Leafo, NSN)
I'm sure I have missed alot of videos. But these frame it in pretty good, or something.
*EDIT*
Let's throw in this aswell:
The Phoenix [04.08.23]
A promotional video made by PA, pretty much PA's point of view on things at that time, mid-war towards the end. (Leafo, NSN)
*/EDIT*
//Leafo
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Isidor Sek
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Posted - 2006.02.25 20:49:00 -
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Fantastic Leafo thanks
Our paper will certainly be producing a very nice feature on GNW I thanks to everyones contribution here
Prof. Isidor Sek
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Venom SGZ
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Posted - 2006.02.25 20:51:00 -
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Jade, about Equilbria .e.
We were all ex Everlasting Vendetta PVP pilots, noone from outside Everlasting Vendetta joined apart from a couple of ex EV who joined Evolution and then joined .e.
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Arielle deVoir
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Posted - 2006.02.25 20:53:00 -
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 Originally by: Isidor Sek
Fantastic Leafo thanks
Our paper will certainly be producing a very nice feature on GNW I thanks to everyones contribution here
Prof. Isidor Sek
Editor
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SweatySack
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Posted - 2006.02.25 20:54:00 -
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Well if you want news on how the GNW started, I will give you a heads up on that.
The major alliances in the north at the time grouped up to form NAST(Northern Alliance Security Treaty)NAST. This was to combat larger powers such as the Curse and stain alliances in the south. It worked pretty smooth for a while, however tensions between northern leaders grew.
A rouge group of Rona and CDI attacked and distroyed a few Fade Union ships in Fade, which almost sparked the war right there. Leaders came together and cease fire was made. At this time, Jerico Faction, an FU ally declared war on PA. PA asked for our help in the matter as part of the NAST agreement. FU refused and remained friends with JF.
A few weeks later, JF was trapped in EC by PA forces. Fade Union said we would escort them out of EC-P8R. Upon warping to the gate. Phonix(the Fade Union fleet commander at the time) saw fire comming from PA towards Fade Union ships, and ordered an attack. Who knows whether there was fire from PA or if we just wanted a war.
So at that time Fade Union, UNICOR, COD, and NORAD joined forces against PA. A month or so later, Curse Alliance joined forces with PA, and UNICOR fell.
Halseth and a few others can correct me on some errors, but thats the main idea on how the first GNW started. This is in no way another GNW. The lead up to it was months in the making. We all truly hated our enemies.
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SweatySack
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Posted - 2006.02.25 21:01:00 -
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Edited by: SweatySack on 25/02/2006 21:03:17
I am sorry I forgot to add RKK and BNC as Fade Union allies fighting PA with JF.
My post is mainly how Fade Union got involved. Jasmine is pretty much dead on with the detailed version.
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Leafo
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Posted - 2006.02.25 21:02:00 -
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Originally by: SweatySack
We all truly hated our enemies.
Yeah, to the point that it was scary tbh. One didn't realize it at that time but when looking back at it today it was totally insane behaviour at some points.
I don't think I have seen the forums like that before nor after the GNW. Really scary.
Thank god we all are sane people nowadays and are able to look back to that point in EVE history and appreciate the few good and fun things about the conflict.
//Leafo - In some strange way I sometimes miss the ellaborate PR and (mis)information warfare from back then, historic. 
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DB Preacher
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Posted - 2006.02.25 21:10:00 -
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Hi,
Most of it is already covered here but you can check out my p.o.v. on the reikoku stories page of our forums.
There are about 10 dif topics there from the GNW.
Reikoku History
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pershphanie
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Posted - 2006.02.25 21:13:00 -
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Originally by: Jasmine Constantine
8. Forsaken Empire (mk4). (I've added this, because I think its fair to say the founding of the current FE had quite a lot to do with the history of the GNW. Its in many ways a remake of Unicor with more unity and fighting power and certainly occupying the same areas.
It is so not a remake of unicor. It's got a few different corps from many old alliances. In no way does it resemble any of them.
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Halseth Durn
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Posted - 2006.02.25 21:18:00 -
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One quick note....
PA held on against great odds for more than 6 months. That is is an INCREDIBLY long time to maintain a war that was fought every single day. A great credit of that longevity should go to Leafos excellent videos. He deliberately designed them with specific messages to inspire us and keep fighting.
In retrospective, I am sure that they inspired both sides of the GNW and is partly responsible for making it the remarkable conflict that it was.
Good job old friend.
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DedGuy
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Posted - 2006.02.25 21:25:00 -
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Think the run up to GNW was fascinating, but i always think that UNICOR formation and TPS is always glossed over too much. Twas the last time MLM, RKK and CELES ever held hands, and thems were good days.
Twas bloody as hell.
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Reprisa
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Posted - 2006.02.25 21:28:00 -
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Nothern Civil war assessment is correct..ish.
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pershphanie
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Posted - 2006.02.25 21:29:00 -
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Edited by: pershphanie on 25/02/2006 21:29:44
GNW had catchy names like rekokumoovalution. I think we need a little of that up here. Therefor we should drop the "B" out of nbsi and combind it with PA to form the PaNsi coalition.
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Leafo
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Posted - 2006.02.25 21:33:00 -
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Edited by: Leafo on 25/02/2006 21:34:14
Originally by: Halseth Durn
One quick note....
PA held on against great odds for more than 6 months. That is is an INCREDIBLY long time to maintain a war that was fought every single day. A great credit of that longevity should go to Leafos excellent videos. He deliberately designed them with specific messages to inspire us and keep fighting.
In retrospective, I am sure that they inspired both sides of the GNW and is partly responsible for making it the remarkable conflict that it was.
Good job old friend.
Thank you very much.   At that time it was pure pleasure and totally natural thing to do.
To underscore the point here, that Halseth and others are pointing out, the difference about the GNW in comparrison to other conflicts was the dedication and longivity on ALL fronts.
One of the core elements of the GNW was information warfare. The information warfare and PR machines were working so hard it is pretty unheard of post GNW. This took shape as information posts, misinformation posts, statements, motivational videos, PR videos, misinformation videos etc. etc.
The PA even had a specific group of people that pretty much only worked with information warfare.
It was truly amazing how the war was faught on so many levels for such long time. Not only in-game in actual battles.
//Leafo
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Top Hat
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Posted - 2006.02.25 21:33:00 -
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Originally by: pershphanie
Edited by: pershphanie on 25/02/2006 21:29:44
GNW had catchy names like rekokumoovalution. I think we need a little of that up here. Therefor we should drop the "B" out of nbsi and combind it with PA to form the PaNsi coalition.
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Lowa
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Posted - 2006.02.25 22:03:00 -
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Still being quite hungover, this provides excellent material for recovery!
With the added bits and pieces from Hal and some others JC's posts are as close
as you will get. More detailed battle versions can come from RKK even though they
of course lean towards a more sided story.
The only bad thing about GNW in retrospective would be that I think we all drove
the PR and the forums beyond repair. The effort that went into that shot people
in to the "wall" and no one have had the energy or character to re-produce it since.
And I dont think it will happen either. But one can hope, it would probably mean
that the need for Professionals would be high. 
/LOWA
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Andreas Kallesoee
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Posted - 2006.02.25 22:19:00 -
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A small add on here, i belive the NBSI alliance origens stem from the split up of xetic and that they where friendly to PA due to their agressive stand ageinst the south of eve
10. NBSI (Not Blue Shoot It) Alliance. More combatative offshoot of the PA that were given tenal in exchange for shooting up Xelas and driving them out)
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Beringe
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Posted - 2006.02.25 22:41:00 -
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Originally by: Andreas Kallesoee
A small add on here, i belive the NBSI alliance origens stem from the split up of xetic and that they where friendly to PA due to their agressive stand ageinst the south of eve
I believe you are correct.
Other than that, I think Jasmine's summary was quite accurate (as far as I can tell, anyway...I was only a neutral observer).
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Hakera
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Posted - 2006.02.25 22:42:00 -
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this is an old article about the first northern war.
RIP Eve-I 
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Isidor Sek
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Posted - 2006.02.25 22:55:00 -
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Thankjs for the Eve-I link
indeed sad to see it gone indeed
Isidor Sek
Editor
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PSA1SWIPE
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Posted - 2006.02.25 23:20:00 -
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I single handley started the gnw and i take pride any one who disaggreas can look at fact ^^
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Muthsera
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Posted - 2006.02.26 00:09:00 -
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Hehehe. I always get a laugh out of these treads.
Once GNW is mentioned Halseth, DB P and Jasmine pops out of their hole.
You got to love it though. And Jesmine is very correct in the assestment I atleast feel. The GNW changed the political landscape of eve completely and much of the pre GNW alliance building was scrapped for more agile and responsive combat once. Sorry to say I did not share that view at the time and I was fiersly against it. If I know what I do today I whould not have conducted myself such.
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Jasmine Constantine
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Posted - 2006.02.26 00:50:00 -
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Originally by: Halseth Durn
Not bad jasmine. I am impressed.
I will give you a 98% accuracy on the players involved. Your assessments of those factions and how they fit into the conflict could be used as reference material. One correction would be to recognise that all PA corps at that time had industrial AND combat capabilities to different degrees. I believe that coupled with our organization was our greatest strength.
On the siutational acuuracy, I would give you a strong 75% rating. A "very good" rating indeed but I do not blame you for these discrepancies. Propaganda was rampant at the time and most beleived the facts of the popular threads at the time. As a central figure and all truth displayed, I can easily say that some of the actual events were not quite as dramatic as portrayed for the public. No griping from from me, but the real truth remains in heads (and chatlog folders) of about 4 people. Still, congrats on your synopsis.
One thing I do see omited is the central issue of NAST. For a time, it actually worked and the north had never seen security and prosperity on that scale before or since. On the outbreak of war, phase 3 of NAST was poised to invite important individual corps into the fold. Unfortunately, around the same time most in the north were begining to realize that EVE without conflict was uterly boring. And hey, if you are going to make a war, you might as well make it a Great one.
Like most, I am proud to have been a part of one of the conflicts that spawned lengendary characters, forged great corporations and draws the EVE map to this very day. Look around at the big players in 0.0 and you will see the same people that rose to the occasion and proved what they are made of durring the GNW.
Hal
I was actually trying to strain my mind to remember what the NAST thing was called earlier (not enough coffee I think ) Thanks for reminding me, I've editted it in as the first casualty of the conflict. I've made some other minor edits as well to correct mistakes I acknowledged making. As I think people realise I'm trying to be pretty objective and really no point exists to spinning these things in the history of the game we all enjoyed and relished.
Thanks again for all the kind comments everyone. Nice to see how friendly everyone is nowadays 
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Jasmine Constantine
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Posted - 2006.02.26 01:10:00 -
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Originally by: The End
Originally by: Jasmine Constantine
Edited by: Jasmine Constantine on 25/02/2006 17:58:57
The Pirate Syndicate (initially involved primarily to neutralise Unicor alliance the TPS was a very cunning and skilled alliance of pirate nere-do-wells and schemers who won their theatre handily and ensured the Tribute, Vale front of the GNW was generally secure for the PA throughout.)
TPS wasnt Pro Pa
You guys have made posts in the past about your pov's about us and unicor. but yet never have talked to a leader during those times.
TPS came up to secure tribute,vale and geminate as it was being held by what we saw carebears at the time
those regions belong to F-E corp and its "offspring" always and forever. corp/alliances may come and challenge it but it has always been temporary
That is the whole reason why we went back up there.
the whole PA fiasco was irrelevant in our pov
Yet strategically you were in the PA camp from our POV, Unicor were NCA allies against the PA and you guys vaporised them. You might not have been formal allies of the PA but you were in their "axis" from our perspective. I guess its way Germany and Japan and USA and Russia were axis allies in ww2 without doing much in the way of active cooperation or shared intelligence. Not trying to spin this Ends, just portray it in a general workable overview really.
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Galaxion
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Posted - 2006.02.26 01:36:00 -
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It's funny how people still try and debate points and argue things literally YEARS after they occured (not you JC, other posters)
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Desius
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Posted - 2006.02.26 01:40:00 -
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Minor corrections from what I saw during that time:
Originally by: Jasmine Constantine
Edited by: Jasmine Constantine on 26/02/2006 00:38:32
In the course of the fighting the following Alliances died.
3. Coalition of Deklein was pretty much destroyed by the fighting and eventually sued for peace with the PA special ops team ôRONA-KIAö who were consistently the GNWÆs most effective anti alliance fighters of the war. (the remnants of CoD would go onto join the short-lived NSA alliance (Northern Stars Alliance).
and
Originally by: Jasmine Constantine
Edited by: Jasmine Constantine on 26/02/2006 00:41:39
In the course of the fighting the following Alliances were born.
2. Northern Stars Alliance. (The immediate successors of COD and FU and Unicor who had grown tired of the war with PA and wanted to build an empire in peace. Sadly for them they made the wrong diplomatic choices and didnÆt last long.)
Technically the CoD was fine (not "pretty much destroyed") during that middle part of the war and simply pulled back from the PA conflict as it wasn't truly 'our fight' anymore. The NSA was a formal merger between the remainder of Unicor on top of the CoD base. This, among other things, is what caused the extreme amounts of bureaucracy that caused the NSA to become ineffectual enough to be attacked from within. The greatest threat to the NSA was the NSA itself as it had too few solid leaders yet too many voices. It was primarily destroyed slowly through psy-ops. The NSA had killed itself well-before any shots were fired at it after they backed up FU against BoB.
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