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Sarmaul
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Posted - 2006.02.25 22:17:00 -
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Edited by: Sarmaul on 25/02/2006 22:17:23
What's the point of this thread?
To stop the "omg new battlecruisers gimmie details" threads that keep spawning. I have posted the same info too many bloody times so I'm making a central point for it.
When will they be coming out?
When Kali comes out.
When is Kali scheduled to be finished?
Last year.
What are their stats?
The only thing we have to base the answer on are the place holder stats in the item database (the full one, not the one on this website). However, looking at the values it seems very possible that they will be released in thier current forum, or at least something very close to it.
You will notice that the pictures and descriptions are for the current battlecruisers. Ignore them - like I said these are mearly placeholders as they don't have publicly revealed names and descriptions.
That didn't answer the question
No, it provided the answers to all the questions that get asked about the placeholder stats.
So what does the Amarr one look like?
I don't know, none of the models have been released yet.
You know what I mean...
Of course I do, but I get a sick sense of pleasure out of making you wait.
So really, what are the stats for the Amarr one?
Amarr Tier 2 Battlecruiser
What you can work out from those stats: not a lot. However, as the current Amarr battlecruiser follows the Maller -> Apoc tradition (i.e. tanking), it's quite safe to assume the tier 2 one will go into the Omen -> Geddon path, i.e. a gank damage platform.
Progression: Omen -> Amarr Tier 2 BC -> Geddon (possibly)
Cool. What about Caldari?
Caldari Tier 2 Battlecruiser
It's a missile platform. Yes I'm fully aware the ferox can use as many missiles as it can hybrids, but it only gets bonuses to the hybrids. With a 7/3 launcher/turret ratio, there is no question that it's designed to spam missiles.
Progression: Caracal -> Caldari Tier 2 BC -> Raven
What about Gallente?
Gallente Tier 2 Battlecruiser
It's a drone boat. Much like the brutix follows the Thorax -> Megathron path, this one provides gallente with another drone boat.
Progression: Vexor -> Gallente tier 2 bc -> Dominix
Last but not least...
Minmatar Tier 3 Battlecruiser
An armour tanker with 7 turret slots. Imagine a slightly less brutal Sleipnir that can spare the midslots to tackle you fully.
Progression: Since when did Minmatar ships have a set progression?
What about the ship's bonuses?
Unknown.
Anything else?
No. You can go away now.
Do you have plans to correct your spelling and format it better?
I said you can go away now.
 Originally by: Zzazzt
Originally by: thoth foc
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Joshua Foiritain
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Posted - 2006.02.25 22:23:00 -
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You do realize those stats are work in progress right?
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Sarmaul
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Posted - 2006.02.25 22:26:00 -
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Originally by: Joshua Foiritain
You do realize those stats are work in progress right?
yes, I believe I used the word "placeholder" at least 5 times.
Originally by: Zzazzt
Originally by: thoth foc
PA doesnt stand for anything..
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Jim McGregor
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Posted - 2006.02.25 22:33:00 -
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We all know that caldari will own all with its stupid missiles. But im looking forward to it anyway.
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Blind Man
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Posted - 2006.02.25 22:51:00 -
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i bet the tier 2 bc for minnie will follow the sythe -> tier 2 bc -> typhoon kinda thing 
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Posted - 2006.02.25 22:57:00 -
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Originally by: Blind Man
i bet the tier 2 bc for minnie will follow the sythe -> tier 2 bc -> typhoon kinda thing
you mean useless? 
Originally by: Zzazzt
Originally by: thoth foc
PA doesnt stand for anything..
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Buraken v2
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Posted - 2006.02.25 23:10:00 -
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Originally by: Joshua Foiritain
You do realize those stats are work in progress right?
Good job on not taking 2 mintues to read the thread at all.
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Xeios
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Posted - 2006.02.25 23:14:00 -
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Originally by: Sarmaul
Edited by: Sarmaul on 25/02/2006 22:26:25
Originally by: Joshua Foiritain
You do realize those stats are work in progress right?
yes, I believe I used the word "placeholder" 3 times 
Phew. I was expecting a much less civil response there. 
read before commenting ppl.
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Sarmaul
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Posted - 2006.02.25 23:19:00 -
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Originally by: Xeios
Phew. I was expecting a much less civil response there.
tbh I surprised myself
Originally by: Zzazzt
Originally by: thoth foc
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david haiter
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Posted - 2006.02.25 23:41:00 -
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what can we assume about the prices?
i know its a player market out there so is there any way of getting the start off prices low, as-in guidline or do we rekon it will be huge for the first few months?
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fmercury
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Posted - 2006.02.25 23:43:00 -
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Originally by: david haiter
what can we assume about the prices?
i know its a player market out there so is there any way of getting the start off prices low, as-in guidline or do we rekon it will be huge for the first few months?
well since anyone can buy the BPO and produce from it, there won't be any shortage of supply. I doubt they'll be much more than 30m, if that
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Sarmaul
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Posted - 2006.02.25 23:43:00 -
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Originally by: david haiter
what can we assume about the prices?
i know its a player market out there so is there any way of getting the start off prices low, as-in guidline or do we rekon it will be huge for the first few months?
they are basic tech 1 ships, so you will be able to buy the bpo straight off the market and build them yourself (assuming ccp doesn't try and seed more t1 bpos through the lottery system).
Originally by: Zzazzt
Originally by: thoth foc
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samuel222
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Posted - 2006.02.25 23:49:00 -
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i hope so because if they follow the T2 market price trends the sum of all people owning one i could count on one hand
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Sarmaul
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Posted - 2006.02.25 23:54:00 -
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Originally by: samuel222
i hope so because if they follow the T2 market price trends the sum of all people owning one i could count on one hand
they are tier 2 ships, not tech 2 ships :), so the bpos will be readily available to buy, just like the current battlecruiser bpos are.
unless of course, ccp decides to pull another expanded cargohold I/shield boost amp I on us.
Originally by: Zzazzt
Originally by: thoth foc
PA doesnt stand for anything..
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samuel222
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Posted - 2006.02.25 23:58:00 -
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Originally by: Sarmaul
Originally by: samuel222
i hope so because if they follow the T2 market price trends the sum of all people owning one i could count on one hand
they are tier 2 ships, not tech 2 ships :), so the bpos will be readily available to buy, just like the current battlecruiser bpos are.
unless of course, ccp decides to pull another expanded cargohold I/shield boost amp I on us.
the lottery thing was what i was on about
i knows it's TIER 2 u fool
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F'nog
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Posted - 2006.02.26 00:26:00 -
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Very informative and entertaining thread. Thank you, Sarmaul.
I look forward to reading the updated and corrected version.
Originally by: Bl4zer
But, cmon, this is the Eve forums, we don't let facts get in the way of pointless speculation.
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Tiuwaz
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Posted - 2006.02.26 00:30:00 -
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is there a betting pool if the minnie one gets target painter bonus? 
Originally by: Oveur
****! Lets nerf it!
To the nerfmobile!
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Pencheven
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Posted - 2006.02.26 00:33:00 -
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As long as the Amarr one dosnt look like another fat chicken, I will be happy
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Sarmaul
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Posted - 2006.02.26 00:56:00 -
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Originally by: Tiuwaz
is there a betting pool if the minnie one gets target painter bonus?
for gods sake don't jinx it!
Originally by: Zzazzt
Originally by: thoth foc
PA doesnt stand for anything..
Punchbag Alliance...
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Dimitrius Zabelle
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Posted - 2006.02.26 00:59:00 -
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Originally by: Pencheven
As long as the Amarr one dosnt look like another fat chicken, I will be happy
lol...
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Dimitrius Zabelle
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Posted - 2006.02.26 01:01:00 -
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Oooh, actually, any idea about the Battleships yet?
As long as amarr doesnt get a 5% resistance per level one, im happy, haha
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Mnengli Noiliffe
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Posted - 2006.02.26 08:14:00 -
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Edited by: Mnengli Noiliffe on 26/02/2006 08:15:15
Tier3@~32%3bAmarr.xml
Tier3@~32%3bCaldari.xml
Tier3@~32%3bGallente.xml
Tier3@~32%3bMinmtar.xml
That's from the same site.
hmm what do you use that 25k grid for?
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Asti Baroon
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Posted - 2006.02.26 09:10:00 -
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Re: 25k PG on Tier 3 BS:s
25k grid on all of them almost and Amarr one has a bit more...
Probably to try i fiddle in the 8 largest Artillerys / Rails / Blasters / Tachyons and still have PG for 2 of those 1500 PG Warp Scramblers and 2 or 3 Armor repairers and a Cap Injector or 2 ...
Just a thought ;-)
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Posted - 2006.02.26 09:40:00 -
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Originally by: samuel222
Originally by: Sarmaul
Originally by: samuel222
i hope so because if they follow the T2 market price trends the sum of all people owning one i could count on one hand
they are tier 2 ships, not tech 2 ships :), so the bpos will be readily available to buy, just like the current battlecruiser bpos are.
unless of course, ccp decides to pull another expanded cargohold I/shield boost amp I on us.
the lottery thing was what i was on about
i knows it's TIER 2 u fool
0_o .... Mkay?
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Lienzo
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Posted - 2006.02.26 09:51:00 -
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That new version of the Cyclone looks more like it follows the Tempest whereas the original Cyclone looks more like the Typhoon with fewer turrets and more drones.
The ruppie and the stabber are kinda sorta the same way.
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Jon Xylur
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Posted - 2006.02.26 11:21:00 -
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Ooo...According to the placeholder the new Gallenet BC will have 250m drone bay. And 6 turrets and 1 launcher. Me wants!
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Ante
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Posted - 2006.02.26 12:00:00 -
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Quote:
shipBonusBC1
-5
shipBonusBC2
-10
You could speculate about these bonuses. The ones quoted here are for the tier 2 Amarr battlecruiser.
It's fairly safe to assume that the bonuses are 5% to energy turret rof per level and 10% to energy turret cap use per level.
Quote:
shipBonusBC1
10
shipBonusBC1
-5
Similarly here you could speculate. 10% velocity/flight time per level is likely, but the second bonuse could either be 5% rof, 5% target radius bonus for missiles or a 5% target velocity bonus for missiles.
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HippoKing
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Posted - 2006.02.26 12:02:00 -
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personally, i wonder why they didn't introduce tier2 before t2 BCs - now they will either have to modify the existing command ships onto new hulls, or make a new class of t2 BCs using the tier2 hulls
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Na'Axin
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Posted - 2006.02.26 12:07:00 -
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Edited by: Na''Axin on 26/02/2006 12:07:46
the least they'll have to do is upgrade the stats of the Tech II BC's, because the Tier 2's will come awefully close
EDIT: and that's probably why these placeholders will never see the daylight
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Sarmaul
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Posted - 2006.02.26 15:05:00 -
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Originally by: Na'Axin
Edited by: Na''Axin on 26/02/2006 12:07:46
the least they'll have to do is upgrade the stats of the Tech II BC's, because the Tier 2's will come awefully close
EDIT: and that's probably why these placeholders will never see the daylight
the only 2 that come awfully close are the minmatar one (but that armour tanks instead of shield tanks) and the caldari one (which could quite easily become the missile command ship).
Originally by: Zzazzt
Originally by: thoth foc
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Valea Silpha
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Posted - 2006.02.26 15:39:00 -
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I worry about the tier 2 BC ... will they be a nail in the coffin of the HAC ?
I mean .. vast amounts of grid and enough high slots to mout 7 or 8 guns, and then a load of tank slots ... 
Only the vagabond doesn't have a direct competitor from amongst the BCs.
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Elaina Cosengo
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Posted - 2006.02.26 17:35:00 -
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And hows that Val?
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Sarmaul
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Posted - 2006.02.26 18:01:00 -
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Originally by: Elaina Cosengo
And hows that Val?
Amarr: Sac/Proph, Zealot/New t2 (maybe)
Caldari: Eagle/Ferox (rails, not sniping), Cerb/New t2
Gallente: Deimos/Brutix, Ishtar/New t2
Minmatar: Vagabond/Nothing, Muninn/New t2
I don't agree with all of those, but I think it's what he's getting at. However, he forgot that hacs still have insane resists and are much faster to fly.
Originally by: Zzazzt
Originally by: thoth foc
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Nyxus
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Posted - 2006.02.26 21:09:00 -
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Originally by: Pencheven
As long as the Amarr one dosnt look like another fat chicken, I will be happy
QFT - I want a ship that strikes fear into the hearts of my enemies and songs into the hearts of my Amarrian allies. Regal, majestic, powerful - a flaming sword of heaven with with which I may smite the lesser races.
And in case you didn't notice the flying butterball does not fufill these wishes.
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Posted - 2006.02.27 04:54:00 -
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Originally by: Valea Silpha
I worry about the tier 2 BC ... will they be a nail in the coffin of the HAC ?
I mean .. vast amounts of grid and enough high slots to mout 7 or 8 guns, and then a load of tank slots ...
Only the vagabond doesn't have a direct competitor from amongst the BCs.
I really hope so, perhaps it would drive HAC prices down, that would be very, very nice
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Steve Buscemi
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Posted - 2006.03.18 23:15:00 -
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Originally by: OrangeAfroMan
Originally by: Valea Silpha
I worry about the tier 2 BC ... will they be a nail in the coffin of the HAC ?
I mean .. vast amounts of grid and enough high slots to mout 7 or 8 guns, and then a load of tank slots ...
Only the vagabond doesn't have a direct competitor from amongst the BCs.
I really hope so, perhaps it would drive HAC prices down, that would be very, very nice
Very unlikely, Battleships already do more damage, have better range, tank better and cost half what hacs cost, they are even fully insurable. But nothing of this has made hacs any less popular.
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Posted - 2006.03.18 23:31:00 -
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Originally by: Steve Buscemi
Originally by: OrangeAfroMan
Originally by: Valea Silpha
I worry about the tier 2 BC ... will they be a nail in the coffin of the HAC ?
I mean .. vast amounts of grid and enough high slots to mout 7 or 8 guns, and then a load of tank slots ...
Only the vagabond doesn't have a direct competitor from amongst the BCs.
I really hope so, perhaps it would drive HAC prices down, that would be very, very nice
Very unlikely, Battleships already do more damage, have better range, tank better and cost half what hacs cost, they are even fully insurable. But nothing of this has made hacs any less popular.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
I mean, the brutix already outdamages the deimos, but you pay for that with speed and agility. Nw think, this are tier-2... they will be even slower and even heavyer... and will probably cost 35-40m on the market.
BTW, has anyone thought about the sig on these things? Prophecy: 265m. Tier2 Amarr BC: 265m. Does this mean that they'll finally shrink the sig of the tier1s? I mean, if they made the tier2s bigger... then the caldari and gallente ones would have bigger sig radiuses than the phoon... brutix is already 300m to a phoon's 320m...
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Posted - 2006.03.18 23:53:00 -
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Minmatar tier2 BC Bonus:
7,5% bonus to target painter effect (comparable to Vigil, Scythe and Bellicose).
-5% CPU use for mining laser turrets, coming from the frigate stepchild of the Minmatar fShipyrads, the Burst.
Or:
7,5% bonus to shield hardener cycling speed.
-5% bonus to Rate of Launch.
I could think of a few similarly silly bonus combinations, but I better don't give the gods more ideas. The last couple of changes and proposed changes came from me on similar occasions under similar circumstances, some I made at the Fanfest04 ...
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Posted - 2006.03.19 01:14:00 -
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Originally by: Buraken v2
Originally by: Joshua Foiritain
You do realize those stats are work in progress right?
Good job on not taking 2 mintues to read the thread at all.
That or i find making a FAQ on ships that are going to be changed a somewhat pointless thing to do...
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Posted - 2006.03.19 01:17:00 -
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Originally by: Sarmaul
Last but not least...
Minmatar Tier 3 Battlecruiser
An armour tanker with 7 turret slots. Imagine a slightly less brutal Sleipnir that can spare the midslots to tackle you fully.
Progression: Since when did Minmatar ships have a set progression?
that's great, but what about the tier2 battlecruiser? :o
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keepiru
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Posted - 2006.03.19 01:20:00 -
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Lol, I missed that completely, and so did everyone else it seems
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Posted - 2006.03.19 04:27:00 -
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FYI the 10% bonus on the tier3 Gallente (shipBonusGB) looks like it represents large hybrid damage (based on DB entries of the other ships). 8 turrets, 5 mids, 7 lows, and a 10% large hybrid bonus... That would be a scary beast.
I was actually hoping for something a little more.. interesting like a bonus to EW or nos or something else interesting, but super-gank has its place I suppose 
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Ceilidh
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Posted - 2006.03.19 05:52:00 -
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the Tier 3 Gallente Bship is clearly designed for mineing
I'm just happy if/when the new Gallente DroneBoat is released
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Posted - 2006.03.19 05:55:00 -
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Yes, I'm rather hoping the Federation gets its EW options opened up a little bit with the new ships, TBH. The Celestis and its (admittedly awesome) variants, the Maulus/Helios and in a pinch the Dominix make for a limited selection.
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Tachy
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Posted - 2006.03.19 09:26:00 -
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Actually all those BC list a required skill at level 3, so they're actually all tier3 BC.
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Randay
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Posted - 2006.03.19 09:28:00 -
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boy do i hate the ships and modules forum with a passion.
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Sarmaul
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Posted - 2006.03.19 09:50:00 -
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Originally by: Mudkest
that's great, but what about the tier2 battlecruiser? :o
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Smacky Jackie
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Posted - 2006.03.19 10:08:00 -
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You can also see these from the IGB via showinfo..
http://www.eve-files.com/media/0603/ships.txt (will come up as a webpage in the igb, in a standard browser, it'll show as plain text)
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Shardrael
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Posted - 2006.04.30 11:45:00 -
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I will be smiling long and hard if the minny t2 BC really has 7 turret slots and 6 lows
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Ithildin
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Posted - 2006.04.30 11:54:00 -
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Kali is currently set to be released second quarter, so expect it during June (personally, I'd actually put money on release being set on May 31st, but QA pushing it back to June 13th - it has become a new tradition for the QA team to push patch releases back two weeks)
As for the bonuses listed, note how they are more or less exactly the same for the new tiers as the old tiers - copy-paste with no work/thought on bonuses yet. I'd not be surprised if they all kept the tanking bonus, however, considering that it's the hallmark of the battlecruisers.
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Posted - 2006.04.30 12:17:00 -
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Edited by: Crellion on 30/04/2006 12:17:06
It will be extremelly funny if they get EW bonuses.
I.e. tier 2 Caldari 5% rof for missles and 5% EW strength. WTS Rook BPO starting bid 150mill reserve 210 mill
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keepiru
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Posted - 2006.04.30 12:26:00 -
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Wont happen.
Gall is a drone boat, Cald Missile boat, other 2 more pure turrety stuff.
Necromancy is bad, btw.
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Lord Slater
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Posted - 2006.04.30 12:31:00 -
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The ship stats in that section are there as Placeholders which mean that the numbers are pretty meaningless because they are there to HOLD A PLACE for when they get around to designing the final product.
For example the TIER 2 Battlecruiser sure it has stats there they have been there for years im sure but they have only begane to design the battlecruiser recently. The current stats will stay there to hold the place of the final design for when its finished and can be put on the database.
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keepiru
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Posted - 2006.04.30 12:36:00 -
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The stats have been there for roughly 4 months.
You can bet good money that the roles you see there will be what they get on TQ.
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Tachy
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Posted - 2006.04.30 12:36:00 -
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Ooooh: It starts.
Amarr Battlecruiser Concept Art
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Megadon
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Lord Slater
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Posted - 2006.04.30 12:49:00 -
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Originally by: keepiru
The stats have been there for roughly 4 months.
You can bet good money that the roles you see there will be what they get on TQ.
Well if thats so them great
But remember they can change at any moment
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Jim McGregor
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Posted - 2006.04.30 13:07:00 -
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If the caldari one gets 7 launchers AND damage/rof bonuses... the dps will be quite decent.
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SasRipper
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Posted - 2006.04.30 14:33:00 -
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Edited by: SasRipper on 30/04/2006 14:33:09
Originally by: Tachy
Ooooh: It starts.
Amarr Battlecruiser Concept Art
it appears to follow the same shape and style as omen, geddon
so most likely will get the standard:
10% cap usage
5% rof
ohh and its name should end in "en"
and will these new ships mean a skin change for there current tech 2 equilvant,
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Posted - 2006.08.15 16:45:00 -
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HACs are a LOT more mobile than BCs though. If you want to get up close or run around on the very edge of weapons range, HACs are the better choice.
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Posted - 2006.08.15 18:05:00 -
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Are the new BC's still scheduled to come out with the first part of kali does anybody know? Tier 3 BS's are in testing, but apparently, these are still in development (according to patch notes bit on side bar).
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