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Kel Dario	Posted - 2006.02.26 11:01:00 - [1] What the title say, because none in their right mind would fit one if he can't help it. I bought a 800MM Reinforced Steel Plates II that according to info gives a 1.682 HP bonus (not including skill) and needs 28 CPU and 230 MW to fit. If I had one 800MM reinforced rolled tungsten I would have almost the same HP bonus, the difference is "2" HP less actually, and only need 23 CPU and 200 MW for it. I'm fully aware that the 800MM reinforced rolled hardly exist in EVE and the next best thing is if someone don't want to buy (or can't fit) the T2 plate is the 800MM Reinforced Crystalline Carbonide plate I that gives 1.560 HP for 24 CPU and 200 MW. Looking over all the T2 plates from 50MM up to 1600MM I see whatÆs wrong with them; most of them give no extra HP whatever, they only take more CPU and GRID. The 400MM and 800MM is the only ones that gives a slight (a ridiculous 2) HP increase over the best named equivalent. And that is my point since its Tech 2 plates there should be a considerable HP increase on them all for the penalty it is to use them, let say 15-25% something. That would give pilots more options like; am I taking the T2 plate and fit weaker guns, for I don't have the CPU and GRID to spare, or do I take my best pwnage guns and fit just a named plate and have less HP? Any comments, ideas? Kel
Nocturnal Prince	Posted - 2006.02.26 11:05:00 - [2] Cant argue with this, I was thinking the same thing. As it stands I will never use a tech 2 plate. just as a side note I wonder what the BPO winners for the tech2 plates said when they realised they sucked. I imagive it is unprintable
inSpirAcy	Posted - 2006.02.26 11:06:00 - [3] I noticed the same thing yesterday when looking for a 400mm plate to stash on my frig. Unless rolled tungsten is in very short supply (it isn't for 400mm, at least), there really isn't a compelling reason to fit T2 plates.
samuel222	Posted - 2006.02.26 11:08:00 - [4] i always thought that T2 is a way of getting good stuff for less price more training time this seems aparrent in med turrets where the T1 ones with same attributes cost 5 mill or so and the T2's cost 1.5 mill just a thought ___________________________ Now thats a face for radio!
LWMaverick	Posted - 2006.02.26 11:11:00 - [5] Yep.. i agree completly t2 plates are not worth it.. especially when fitting 1600mm plates. With great power, comes great responsibility.
Exogene	Posted - 2006.02.26 11:18:00 - [6] Ya samuel, i agree, it seems to be same with a lot of T2 stuff. I think the idea of T2 mods primarily is that it is cheaper than faction/named T1 mods and the extra perfomance boost is just tiny bonus. Though i would say a better performance would be nice for T2, i don't think that it is neccesary.
mrg29	Posted - 2006.02.26 11:54:00 - [7] there is no difference here than every single tech2 item in the game. in all cases the specs of the best named item are either the same or within a very small range of the corresponding tech2 item, and have easier fitting reqs. the issue is over availability and cost as the tech2 version is normally more widely available and costs alot less. -
Ashelth	Posted - 2006.02.26 12:09:00 - [8] Originally by: mrg29 there is no difference here than every single tech2 item in the game. in all cases the specs of the best named item are either the same or within a very small range of the corresponding tech2 item, and have easier fitting reqs. the issue is over availability and cost as the tech2 version is normally more widely available and costs alot less. Only time when t2 out preforms t1 is in guns. Extra rof (missiles) and extra damage (guns) due to skills. t2 ammo can be corresponded to faction ammo (honestly a full rack of TS gamma L would make me happier than the high damage L t2 ammo).
Toy	Posted - 2006.02.26 12:18:00 - [9] Why can't T2 plates (and maybe other items that are so close to best named) get a tiny 2nd tier attribute. Example: T2 plates could have +3% agility bonus as they are so compact and streamlined... or T2 plates could have 3% armor resistance across the board as the steel is reinforced... Just a thought...
Naughty Boy	Posted - 2006.02.26 12:18:00 - [10] Edited by: Naughty Boy on 26/02/2006 12:18:34 Originally by: Ashelth Only time when t2 out preforms t1 is in guns. How so ? For instance, a t2 large rep is better than an "accomodation" large rep, besides fittings. It's fine when a best named module is as good as t2 for less fitting requirement, it's not so much when a named module is better and easier to fit. If on top of that the named parts are also cheaper than the t2 modules, being widely looted and sold, t2 mods are pretty much useless. Why would you bother with t2 plates or t2 jammers currently ? No real reason besides cost and availability, which is not so often a factor (especially when named parts are both cheaper and more available ^.^; ). I'll stick to rolled tungsten, at the moment. Sincerly Yours, The Naughty Boy.
piercer	Posted - 2006.02.26 12:58:00 - [11] I agree. T2 plates suck and the only reason i would buy one is if there were no rolled tungsten available or if it was cheaper than best named and i had enough fitting reqs spare. I think they should give bonuses or have more HP added. CCP didnt think T2 plates though i think
Elaine Threepwood	Posted - 2006.02.26 13:07:00 - [12] not only are they harder to fit for no more hp (that i'd be fine with, and use them for being cheaper), but they have the same weight penalty as tech 1, the named are all considerably lighter. T2 plates are totally pointless if you can get rolled tungsten (which you can for all but 800mm).
inSpirAcy	Posted - 2006.02.26 13:45:00 - [13] Originally by: Toy Example: T2 plates could have +3% agility bonus as they are so compact and streamlined... I'd love to see something like that, but it would be so out of line with all the other T2 mods it would never happen. Unless they started adding secondary bonuses on all T2 mods. Balance nightmare.
Hoshi	Posted - 2006.02.26 13:48:00 - [14] If you compare them to Shield extenders it not the t2 that needs a boost it's the named that needs a nerf. The 2 extenders/plates that are closest to each other in both fitting and hp are medium/400mm (at other sizes they do not directly match eachother so harder to compare but the argument still works there). The t2 versions of these have almost exactly the same fitting and hp (shields use slightly less pg and more cpu). But if we look at the best named the armor variant has 15% more hp. So if you are boosting t2 plates you are making them better compared to shield extenders while if you nerf the named you are making them more equal. It's not t2 plates that are too bad, it's named plates that are too good. --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Nyphur	Posted - 2006.02.26 14:12:00 - [15] Check the 1600mm plate. There's no difference between the T2 and rolled tungsten except T2 requires more fitting. That's how all of T2 works. Get over it. Eve-Tanking.com - For the ultimate tanking spreadsheet and resources.
Cukogra	Posted - 2006.02.26 14:48:00 - [16] Originally by: piercer I agree. T2 plates suck and the only reason i would buy one is if there were no rolled tungsten available or if it was cheaper than best named and i had enough fitting reqs spare. I think they should give bonuses or have more HP added. CCP didnt think T2 plates though i think That's how I look at it actually. If T2 were to get a boost that'd be great. But if not, I'm not upset because if my ship fitting allows, I use a tech II as it's cheaper, if I can't fit, I use the rolled tungsten.
Hanns	Posted - 2006.02.26 15:38:00 - [17] you forgot not only thta, but tech II plates add more mass than the rolled tungstens, so there is really no reason whatsoever to use a tech II plate over a tungsten or crystal. Jacques 4tw - Hanns I watched Hanns beat up Chuck Norris yesterday -zhuge liang That is such a lie, it Buck Rodgers - Cortes
LWMaverick	Posted - 2006.02.26 15:48:00 - [18] Originally by: Nyphur Check the 1600mm plate. There's no difference between the T2 and rolled tungsten except T2 requires more fitting. That's how all of T2 works. Get over it. O RLY? Like: Like N-type -> t2 Hardners N-type Energized plates -> t2 Engergized 'acco' Rep -> t2 rep Want me to go on?... /Mav With great power, comes great responsibility.
LUKEC	Posted - 2006.02.26 16:58:00 - [19] well you have opposite extremes too: t2 armor coating 12.5% , t1 named(not faction) 15.6% I think plates are ok as they are. But i miss officer plates :) I use no guns... i smack to death.
Blind Man	Posted - 2006.02.26 17:11:00 - [20] 1600mm RT are cheaper than t2, easier to fit, and add less mass __________ EL OH EL LOOK AT THE PRETTY COLOURS!1111 Current Vid
Nlle Kaani	Posted - 2006.02.26 18:13:00 - [21] greedy bpo owners should lower the prices to compete with named items instead of whining. no t2 is not made to make 100000% profit all the time.
Montero	Posted - 2006.02.26 18:45:00 - [22] Originally by: Nyphur Check the 1600mm plate. There's no difference between the T2 and rolled tungsten except T2 requires more fitting. That's how all of T2 works. Get over it. are you playing the same game as me? i mean im not saying omgz boost t2 plates, frankly i dont care i'll just use a rolled. but so much t2 is not even in any way equal to or worse than best named that i had to call you out on this statement. seriously for the most part t2 is fairly equal, but alot of t2 > best named. by a long shot. if all of t2 works like you said then my claw is the same as a slasher, but needs more skills. well done. generic statements ftl.

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