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SUMZER0	Posted - 2006.02.26 13:01:00 - [1] I have seen many threads for the Deimos...Have not seen any suggestions for an ishtar set up....I amthinking of buying one....any good setup ideas? If it walks like a duck, and talks like a duck...it must be a pirate. Co-CEO~~~Order Of The Arrow Now Recruiting!!!
Cairo dog	Posted - 2006.02.26 13:14:00 - [2] Edited by: Cairo dog on 26/02/2006 13:14:41 Mine is something like this: 3x med nosferatu (best named) 2x 125mm II 1x10mn AB II 1x disruptor 1x webber and 2x jammers/dampeners/tracking disruptors or sensor booster 1x med rep II 1x 400mm or 800mm plate (can't remember) 2x energized adaptive nano's 1x n-type exp hardener. ------------------------------------- Maybe not today, maybe not tomorrow but someday I will
Gist Amarredon	Posted - 2006.02.26 17:10:00 - [3] 2x Medium Dimishing Nos/II 3x Medium Pulses II 1x 10mn AB II 1x Named Webber 1x Named Scram 1x Tracking Distruptor/II 1x Jammer/II 1x MAR II 1x Active Explosive Hardener 3x Adaptive Nano Plating/II 1x 400mm rolled tungsten
Linavin	Posted - 2006.02.26 17:33:00 - [4] wtb ishtar with 6 lows Anyways: 2x Med Nos, 3x Medium Beams AB, Web, Scram, 2x EW (Damps, Tracking Disruptors, or Jammers) 1x MAR, 1x Exp Hardner,1x Energized Adaptive Nano, 1x 800mm Plate, 1x Whatever You should play around with your setup and add what suits your play style. You cant fit all this using all Tech II, but fitting all named leavs spare fitting. So doing a half and half of named and Tech II works well. --- Originally by: Sarmaul nm, that says lub not lube
Gist Amarredon	Posted - 2006.02.26 19:32:00 - [5] Edited by: Gist Amarredon on 26/02/2006 19:31:48 Originally by: Linavin wtb ishtar with 6 lows Lol, im sorry, made a typo.
Sarmaul	Posted - 2006.02.26 19:36:00 - [6] I think a former corpmate was using something like: 3 nos 2 blasters mwd, web, 20k, 2 ewar of your choice tank I tried to tell him it wasn't a thorax but he just wouldn't listen Originally by: Zzazzt Originally by: thoth foc PA doesnt stand for anything.. Punchbag Alliance...
Nyphur	Posted - 2006.02.26 19:37:00 - [7] Originally by: Gist Amarredon Edited by: Gist Amarredon on 26/02/2006 19:31:48 Originally by: Linavin wtb ishtar with 6 lows Lol, im sorry, made a typo. Is the 400mm plate also a typo? Because you'd get better use of an adaptive nano membrane. Not more HP, but higher resistances, which will increase the damage you can take and the damage you can repair per second. Eve-Tanking.com - For the ultimate tanking spreadsheet and resources.
Linavin	Posted - 2006.02.26 19:48:00 - [8] Edited by: Linavin on 26/02/2006 19:50:43 Originally by: Nyphur Is the 400mm plate also a typo? Because you'd get better use of an adaptive nano membrane. Not more HP, but higher resistances, which will increase the damage you can take and the damage you can repair per second. With the module and resistance stacking penalty the resistance increase would be negligable compared to an armor boost. You would definatley get more milage out of an active hardner or 400mm plate, seeing that just 1 adaptive nano gets your resistances up to acceptable levels for tanking. --- Originally by: Sarmaul nm, that says lub not lube
Linavin	Posted - 2006.02.26 19:50:00 - [9] Edited by: Linavin on 26/02/2006 19:50:07 double post --- Originally by: Sarmaul nm, that says lub not lube
Nyphur	Posted - 2006.02.26 19:53:00 - [10] I run the weirdest setup. 2 x drone link augmentors, 1 x small remote armour repairer, 1 x civilian railgun/small laser, 1 x mining laser 1 x Named sensor booster, 1 x 10mn mwd II, 1 x medium shield booster, cap gear etc. 5 x nanofibres I use it for NPCing. Basically, I use the remote repairer to fix my T2 drones in-between combats, meaning I get away with using less as they get destroyed less frequently, which is handy in deep 0.0. I warp in, target the enemies, kick the 10mn mwd and civilian gun at the same time, launch my drones and have them attack him and then I cycle through all the targets and hit them with the civilian gun. This helps stop them targetting my drones. I use the shield booster to fix any damage I get and I MWD out to about 80km where the NPCs can't hit me. From there I can still control my drones and lock fine, all the way up to 100km. The mining laser is for making NPCs spawn by mining the ore but I haven't seen that working at all lately. Also, I tend to end combats with like 98% cap (2% used by the sensor booster) and thus have the cap free to switch the shield booster offline and the remote repairer online between combat and back again before my next encounter. I can't have them both online at once. Eve-Tanking.com - For the ultimate tanking spreadsheet and resources.
Idara	Posted - 2006.02.26 20:52:00 - [11] 2x Medium Nos 3x Small 150mm Railgun II's 1x 10mn AB 1x Webber 3x Cap Rechargers 2x Medium Repper II's 1x Energized Adaptive 1x Thermic Hardener 2x CPR's Run everything forever. Sit back and take a nap. -------------------------------------------------------- Lieutenant BSC Military
Rabisque	Posted - 2006.02.26 22:22:00 - [12] 3 150mm t2 rails, 2 whatever fits 10mn abII, 3 Cap recharger IIs, best large named cap battery 2 medium armor repper IIs, your choice of active or passive hardeners tanks like mad
dalman	Posted - 2006.02.26 23:53:00 - [13] hmmm, I've great skillpoints to fly one. But can't manage to get a setup I feel comfortable with for solo-hunting. Basicly, I feel the need for a MWD on it. As with only an AB any skilled cerberus/zealot/whatever would rip it. But even using 'all cosmos gear' I don't have enough grid to get a good enough setup. So I've dropped the idea of using it for solo PvP. As I really can't come up with a single situation where it would outperform my dominix. Only pros is the faster locktime and being able to warp out faster if things gets too hot. Drink up, shoot in. Let the beating begin. Distributor of pain. Your loss becomes my gain...
Ras Blumin	Posted - 2006.02.27 00:29:00 - [14] Edited by: Ras Blumin on 27/02/2006 00:30:08 Boredom+QF; 2 medium dimi nos, 2 x 75mm 2, 75mm proto named mwd, faint 20k, langour web, 2 x hypnos multi m accommo, 800mm nano, n-type explosive hardener, 2 halcyon stabs 2 medium dimi nos, 2 x dual light beam 2, 75mm 2 named mwd, faint 20k, x5 web, 2 x hypnos multi m accommo, 800mm RT (do they drop?), EANM 2, n-type explo hardener, cap relay Both setups need a -3% turret cpu implant. A dirty job - Released 2006.01.02
Mallik Hendrake	Posted - 2006.02.27 01:21:00 - [15] For NPCIng, I use: 3 x heavy electron IIs, 1 medium diminishing nos 10mn AB II, X5 webber, 3 cap recharger IIs corpum medium repper, centum 44.5% kinetic, 2 energized adaptive nano IIs and a magnetic field stabilizer II Deals massive DPS, which means faster ratting. That's all I really care about. Speed. It tanks anything including solo pvpers unlike most npc ishtar setups =P Resists are: 74 EM 94 Kinetic 42 EXP 80 Thermal If I trained up the rest of my passive skills I could bump the EM/EXP up a little bit. -------------------------------------------- "A plan is just a list of things that don't happen." -- Parker, _The Way of the Gun_ Mallik Hendrake E X O D U S [I do not speak for E X O or IRON]
Idara	Posted - 2006.02.27 03:25:00 - [16] Originally by: dalman hmmm, I've great skillpoints to fly one. But can't manage to get a setup I feel comfortable with for solo-hunting. Basicly, I feel the need for a MWD on it. As with only an AB any skilled cerberus/zealot/whatever would rip it. But even using 'all cosmos gear' I don't have enough grid to get a good enough setup. So I've dropped the idea of using it for solo PvP. As I really can't come up with a single situation where it would outperform my dominix. Only pros is the faster locktime and being able to warp out faster if things gets too hot. Really? I'm more comfortable with my Ishtar than anything for solo hunting. It's so flexible. 3x nos, 2 railguns, AB, web, two scramblers (7.5 and 20) a tracking disruptor, explosive hardener, MAR II, energized Adaptive and two CPR's...crazy good ship. -------------------------------------------------------- Lieutenant BSC Military
Guns'n'Hoes	Posted - 2006.03.08 11:53:00 - [17] Jesus.... i mean who the hell gave some of u people these setups... Ok enough of the smak and ego boostin ;P heres a propper pvp setup: 2x med T2 nos, 3x 125mm T2 YT8 MWD, 20km scram, web, 2x hypnos multispectrals 2x small T2 rep, 1x T2 explosive hardener (active), 1x relay, 1x 800mm crystaline carbide. You simply NEED a plate on this baby otherwise it just dosent have any armour whatsoever to tank raven damage and the such. 2 small T2 reps repair just as much dmg as a med T2 but use a) less pg, b) less cap and c) help against more constant streams of dmg then the med T2 rep. ive beaten countless hacs, bs and bc with this setup and so far have not lost a hac 1v1 with it.
Deja Thoris	Posted - 2006.03.08 12:03:00 - [18] Originally by: Guns'n'Hoes Jesus.... i mean who the hell gave some of u people these setups... Yours is hardly head and shoulders above them. They generally seemed like pretty solid setups to me, biased gasp for personal preference. Anyway, what I am curious about is how people group their drones in an ishtar?
Eyeshadow	Posted - 2006.03.08 12:09:00 - [19] 2xMedium Diminishings 3xMedium pulse IIs 1x10mn AB II 1x20km Distruptor 1x90% Webber 1xTracking disruptor 1xMultispec 1xSmall Armor Rep 1x1600 Rolled Tungsten 1xFaction Explosive Hardner 1xEANM II 1xRCU (Tech2 if u want and upgrade guns a bit) Tried and tested. Speed and maneuvarability isnt needed in an Ishtar so the plate doesnt effect it much. You can of course swop it around for an 800 plat and medium rep, but i prefer the huge armor. My Latest Vid (16/02/06)
Laythun	Posted - 2006.03.08 12:23:00 - [20] Originally by: Guns'n'Hoes Jesus.... i mean who the hell gave some of u people these setups... Ok enough of the smak and ego boostin ;P heres a propper pvp setup: 2x med T2 nos, 3x 125mm T2 YT8 MWD, 20km scram, web, 2x hypnos multispectrals 2x small T2 rep, 1x T2 explosive hardener (active), 1x relay, 1x 800mm crystaline carbide. You simply NEED a plate on this baby otherwise it just dosent have any armour whatsoever to tank raven damage and the such. 2 small T2 reps repair just as much dmg as a med T2 but use a) less pg, b) less cap and c) help against more constant streams of dmg then the med T2 rep. ive beaten countless hacs, bs and bc with this setup and so far have not lost a hac 1v1 with it. a 2 small rep tank wont cut it in a hac fight. where can i petition the ISD member that messed with my sig for no reason?
Eyeshadow	Posted - 2006.03.08 12:26:00 - [21] Originally by: Laythun a 2 small rep tank wont cut it in a hac fight. 2 Small rep = 1 Medium rep My Latest Vid (16/02/06)
Laythun	Posted - 2006.03.08 12:27:00 - [22] Originally by: Eyeshadow Originally by: Laythun a 2 small rep tank wont cut it in a hac fight. 2 Small rep = 1 Medium rep waste o slots (i was waiting for u to come and prove me wrong) where can i petition the ISD member that messed with my sig for no reason?
Eyeshadow	Posted - 2006.03.08 12:35:00 - [23] OH i agree its a waste of slots and never fit 2 small rep tanks on my ships, but i was just saying its would take a HAC. Ishtar v any other HAC is extremely one sided. Doesnt really matter what you run (unless your a complete nub). Ive taken Vagas, Deimos', Zealots etc etc in my ishtar 1on1. Its extremely easy to do My Latest Vid (16/02/06)
DigitalCommunist	Posted - 2006.03.08 12:46:00 - [24] Been flying them for a long time now, pretty much have one setup.. normally don't share setup advice but meh.. 3x 150mm Railgun II 2x Medium Diminishing 1x Warp Disruptor (usually domination) 1x web 1x Tracking Disruptor 1x Cap Recharger II 1x 10mn ab II 1x Med Rep II 2x 55% hardeners 1x energized adaptive nano II 1x relay Purchasing Complex Fullerene Shards, contact me ingame.
Voltron	Posted - 2006.03.08 12:48:00 - [25] Edited by: Voltron on 08/03/2006 12:51:46 Edited by: Voltron on 08/03/2006 12:49:02 2 x small nos 3 x small T2 guns of choice (I think I usually have to go with 1 t2 150 and 2 t2 125s, depends on your cpu after you fit everything....its a tight squeeze to say the least.) 1 x t2 or named ab 1 x scram 1 x web 1 x named ew of choice 1 x med electrochem injector w/ 800 size boosters 2 x med t2 reps 1 x t2 800mm plate 1 x faction exp hardener 1 x t2 energized nano adaptive drones as you choose. Volt Chuck Norris is far too over-hyped......Dan Akroyd FTW.
Butter Dog	Posted - 2006.03.08 12:53:00 - [26] I'm not a fan of HAC's personally (we lose far too many ships in the ISSN for them to be worthwhile!) but reading this thread has inspired me. I'm off to buy an Ishtar. Thanks guys :p ------------------ The ISS Navy is recruiting. See this thread for further details. www.eve-iss.com
Guns'n'Hoes	Posted - 2006.03.08 12:58:00 - [27] problem with no relay eyeshadow is bad cap regen and i guess with only 1 small rep u dont need it too much but i just dont like the idea of only 1 small rep for a tank even with the 1600 plate. also 1 multispec is rather uselss as u will fail jam most of the time and it will burn ur cap. apart from jamming friggys i see it as pointless. prolly better fitting either a racial caldari (for ravens) or another tracking disruptor. and dual small reps handel better in hac fights then a med rep because u wont tank hac lvl dmg anyway and the dual small reps + more armor will allow you more time to jam them (if u fail a few jams) and will slow down their dmg in a more constant state instead of big bursts. FYI this is Mosaic Artefact's alt im banned atm
Eyeshadow	Posted - 2006.03.08 13:51:00 - [28] Edited by: Eyeshadow on 08/03/2006 13:51:28 Originally by: Guns'n'Hoes problem with no relay eyeshadow is bad cap regen and i guess with only 1 small rep u dont need it too much but i just dont like the idea of only 1 small rep for a tank even with the 1600 plate. also 1 multispec is rather uselss as u will fail jam most of the time and it will burn ur cap. apart from jamming friggys i see it as pointless. prolly better fitting either a racial caldari (for ravens) or another tracking disruptor. and dual small reps handel better in hac fights then a med rep because u wont tank hac lvl dmg anyway and the dual small reps + more armor will allow you more time to jam them (if u fail a few jams) and will slow down their dmg in a more constant state instead of big bursts. FYI this is Mosaic Artefact's alt im banned atm Tell the 140 or so people i killed with my setup (solo HACs + BS included) that it doesnt work. Ive only lost 1 ishtar, and that was a to 15+ frig squad, of which i managed to kill 5 before dieing. Seriously, stats and "on paper" means squat. I'll go by my combat experience with my setup rather than what people think is a good/bad setup anyday My Latest Vid (16/02/06)
Guns'n'Hoes	Posted - 2006.03.08 13:54:00 - [29] Hey dude i aint dissin ur setup i think its cool and original and yeh i agree i go by combat experience and not paper aswell. but do you have much success with the 1 multi im curious because i find most hacs need 2 multis to jam them and bs need 2 near constantly and it fails every now and again on bs aswell
Eyeshadow	Posted - 2006.03.08 13:58:00 - [30] Originally by: Guns'n'Hoes Hey dude i aint dissin ur setup i think its cool and original and yeh i agree i go by combat experience and not paper aswell. but do you have much success with the 1 multi im curious because i find most hacs need 2 multis to jam them and bs need 2 near constantly and it fails every now and again on bs aswell Quite a lot of success against anything not caldari tbh. Ive jammed prophs, megas, domis, deimos etc etc quite regularly. BS can be a bit hit and miss, hence the tracking disruptor. Caldari ships are always a bugger to jam and i carry all 4 racials with me so i can refit if given the chance My Latest Vid (16/02/06)
Grotz	Posted - 2006.03.12 00:53:00 - [31] Originally by: Eyeshadow 2xMedium Diminishings 3xMedium pulse IIs which crystals and this is for anti frig yes?
Kaiu	Posted - 2006.03.12 00:53:00 - [32] Originally by: Eyeshadow 2xMedium Diminishings 3xMedium pulse IIs which crystals and this is for anti frig yes?
Lorth	Posted - 2006.03.12 01:02:00 - [33] I recently tried a shield tanked ishtar with a Large booster, an amp and a cap booster. I must say I'm impressed. Solo it would be a horrible set up, but if your in a gang, even a small one, its a great set up.
Dash Ripcock	Posted - 2006.03.12 01:05:00 - [34] High 3 * 150mm IIs 1 * S Nosfer (E5) 1 * M Nosfer (E50) Med 1 * AB II 1 * 20Km Scrambler 1 * Webber (85% plus) 2 * ECM Slots (Tracking Disruptors, Painters, Dampeners, EW) Low 1 * 1600mm RT 1 * M Armour Rep II 1 * Explosive Hardener (N-Type) 1 * Energ. Adap. Nano II 1 * RCU II Drones Target specific, although a batch of five ECM drones are good for tricky situations. She's basically a Swiss army knife. I pretty much swear on the plate - having 6000 hardened points between you and the Almighty is no bad thing, and it has saved my bacon on many occasions. She'll kill frigates with ease, take out other cruiser-sized ships through ECM and damage, and with some careful flying can be deadly against a Battleship (or Battleships if you're Marko). Fantastic piece of equipment. Save The Deimos
Linavin	Posted - 2006.03.12 02:42:00 - [35] Originally by: Grotz Originally by: Eyeshadow 2xMedium Diminishings 3xMedium pulse IIs which crystals and this is for anti frig yes? They're less of antifrig and more of a bit of extra damage to augment the drones so I use MFs. If you need anti-frig that badly then you just use light or medium drones, of which you should be carrying. The Nos of course are the multipurpose weapons and suckers for every ship type you run up against. --- Originally by: Sarmaul nm, that says lub not lube
Tadis	Posted - 2006.03.12 03:18:00 - [36] My ishtar for a long time: 2 x Med nos 3 x 150mm II 1 x 10AB II 2 x Hypnos multispec jammer 1 x fleeting warp scrambler 1 x medium cap injector (with 800 charges) 1 x medium rep II 1 x 800mm plate 1 x N type explosive hardener 1 x RCU II 1 x CPU II Multitude of combat/EW drones.
Xiau Bing	Posted - 2006.03.20 13:45:00 - [37] Edited by: Xiau Bing on 20/03/2006 13:47:21 Edited by: Xiau Bing on 20/03/2006 13:46:01 Ok ok i know you guys wont like that kinda setup but as i dont have much pvp skills and i do mission runing some time i concentrate to tank as much as possible. High: small tractor,weapons of your choice med: 4 cap recharger t2, 1 med cap battery t 2 low: 3 active hardneres of choice, 2 mar t2 it can run all low slots unlimited and thus tank a complete complex lvl in a lvl3 angel extravaganza mission sometimes i have 2 mnos t2 and a small rail so if attacked i can withstand even a large nos and have enough time ... hopefully the opponnent will find out soon enough that i am not easy pray and get lost... In drone bay i have 5light t2, 5med t2, 5 heavy t2, and some reinforcements or sentries.... i havent had any pvp fight with that hac yet btw so i am not sure if it makes sense in anyway ... probably not possible would also be 3 nano adaptives t 2 which would result in a extra free med slot for webber .. or so on
HUGO DRAX	Posted - 2006.03.20 14:27:00 - [38] Originally by: SUMZER0 I have seen many threads for the Deimos...Have not seen any suggestions for an ishtar set up....I amthinking of buying one....any good setup ideas? You dont see many cause its a great PvP ship and folks dont want prices to rise to Deimos levels. Dont just complain, do something. Channel macrointel meet with likeminded folks, spottings,intel
blood red	Posted - 2006.03.20 15:06:00 - [39] 2 small repairers are not better than 1 medium. its been said time and again. same cap/same hp per sec, except you waste a slot. actually any small crap on a hac is stupid, all these setups have something small on them i cant help but see that as a waste of resources. if you want to run small stuff get an assault frigate. if your a smart hac pilot you dont try and do 25 different things with it, just build a tank and run dual 150 or heavy electrons, and rely on drones for damage. 3 dual 150mm or heavy electrons, 2 small remote armor repairers 10mn ab, 2 cap charger 2 1 med battery 2 1 web/[ainter slot 2 medium repairers, 1 energized adaptive 2, and 2 cap relays. will autorun the tank, and will only need one repairer to best any other setup in here. this setup vs a 3 nos ishtar ends with the 3 nos ishtar losing if you have the foresight to attack the enemy drones. ive proved it vs berserker 2 ishtar and am quite satisfied.
newfacex	Posted - 2006.03.20 15:19:00 - [40] Originally by: blood red 2 small repairers are not better than 1 medium. its been said time and again. same cap/same hp per sec, except you waste a slot. actually any small crap on a hac is stupid, all these setups have something small on them i cant help but see that as a waste of resources. if you want to run small stuff get an assault frigate. if your a smart hac pilot you dont try and do 25 different things with it, just build a tank and run dual 150 or heavy electrons, and rely on drones for damage. 3 dual 150mm or heavy electrons, 2 small remote armor repairers 10mn ab, 2 cap charger 2 1 med battery 2 1 web/[ainter slot 2 medium repairers, 1 energized adaptive 2, and 2 cap relays. will autorun the tank, and will only need one repairer to best any other setup in here. this setup vs a 3 nos ishtar ends with the 3 nos ishtar losing if you have the foresight to attack the enemy drones. ive proved it vs berserker 2 ishtar and am quite satisfied. The MC dudeys setup (which is similar to mine) along with a couple of others here i have seen would happily and easily 'pwn' your 'basic' setup you have listed. Cap recharge is for mission/npc Get some sense and come pvp properly
blood red	Posted - 2006.03.20 15:32:00 - [41] you mean eyeshadows??? i really had to check again, and then when i saw that setup, i have to wonder why the hell you can think that. it still stands true that my ship will beat that with 1 of its repairers running. not like i havent "pvp"ed before. just dont like seeing crap setup advice on the forum. all setups before the one i posted are crap. crap damage output, crap damage soak. even if you ran all market t1 stuff my setup is better than most listed here.
newfacex	Posted - 2006.03.20 19:51:00 - [42] Originally by: blood red you mean eyeshadows??? i really had to check again, and then when i saw that setup, i have to wonder why the hell you can think that. it still stands true that my ship will beat that with 1 of its repairers running. not like i havent "pvp"ed before. just dont like seeing crap setup advice on the forum. all setups before the one i posted are crap. crap damage output, crap damage soak. even if you ran all market t1 stuff my setup is better than most listed here. Honestly, you can argue all you like. Cruiser sized cap is a problem yes, but on mission running/NPC...not pvp in missions/npc you need to keep your rep running whilst you clear the spawn...hence the cap power, rechargers and relays etc now in PVP...my drones would eat you dead with the awful resistances you have (ahem...explosive?) my tech2 beserkers would eat your ishtar...nevermind both Reps this is just advice, no boasting etc but honestly, if you find someone with decent skills and any of the pretty cool setups listed above. they WILL eat you
KilROCK	Posted - 2006.03.20 19:57:00 - [43] Edited by: KilROCK on 20/03/2006 20:02:58 Originally by: blood red 2 small repairers are not better than 1 medium. its been said time and again. same cap/same hp per sec, except you waste a slot. actually any small crap on a hac is stupid, all these setups have something small on them i cant help but see that as a waste of resources. if you want to run small stuff get an assault frigate. if your a smart hac pilot you dont try and do 25 different things with it, just build a tank and run dual 150 or heavy electrons, and rely on drones for damage. 3 dual 150mm or heavy electrons, 2 small remote armor repairers 10mn ab, 2 cap charger 2 1 med battery 2 1 web/[ainter slot 2 medium repairers, 1 energized adaptive 2, and 2 cap relays. will autorun the tank, and will only need one repairer to best any other setup in here. this setup vs a 3 nos ishtar ends with the 3 nos ishtar losing if you have the foresight to attack the enemy drones. ive proved it vs berserker 2 ishtar and am quite satisfied. That's not a pvp setup. And you couldn't be more wrong about every statement in your post. Originally by: Ithildin Q: Will the Gallente ship have lots of missiles? I think it's time. A: Die. You are not
Rambo Armsdealer	Posted - 2006.03.20 20:01:00 - [44] Originally by: blood red 2 small repairers are not better than 1 medium. its been said time and again. same cap/same hp per sec, except you waste a slot. actually any small crap on a hac is stupid, all these setups have something small on them i cant help but see that as a waste of resources. if you want to run small stuff get an assault frigate. if your a smart hac pilot you dont try and do 25 different things with it, just build a tank and run dual 150 or heavy electrons, and rely on drones for damage. 3 dual 150mm or heavy electrons, 2 small remote armor repairers 10mn ab, 2 cap charger 2 1 med battery 2 1 web/[ainter slot 2 medium repairers, 1 energized adaptive 2, and 2 cap relays. will autorun the tank, and will only need one repairer to best any other setup in here. this setup vs a 3 nos ishtar ends with the 3 nos ishtar losing if you have the foresight to attack the enemy drones. ive proved it vs berserker 2 ishtar and am quite satisfied. i can get the same dmg output with a better tank and 2 medium nosf
LUKEC	Posted - 2006.03.20 20:09:00 - [45] Edited by: LUKEC on 20/03/2006 20:12:25 Edited by: LUKEC on 20/03/2006 20:11:43 Originally by: blood red 2 small repairers are not better than 1 medium. its been said time and again. same cap/same hp per sec, except you waste a slot. actually any small crap on a hac is stupid, all these setups have something small on them i cant help but see that as a waste of resources. if you want to run small stuff get an assault frigate. if your a smart hac pilot you dont try and do 25 different things with it, just build a tank and run dual 150 or heavy electrons, and rely on drones for damage. 3 dual 150mm or heavy electrons, 2 small remote armor repairers 10mn ab, 2 cap charger 2 1 med battery 2 1 web/[ainter slot 2 medium repairers, 1 energized adaptive 2, and 2 cap relays. will autorun the tank, and will only need one repairer to best any other setup in here. this setup vs a 3 nos ishtar ends with the 3 nos ishtar losing if you have the foresight to attack the enemy drones. ive proved it vs berserker 2 ishtar and am quite satisfied. Sorry dear... but if you meet anyone using something similar to eyeshadow's build... your hac will go p00f. Not to mention that in case something goes wrong, he can warp. But with so crappy setup, nothing can go wrong, reppers just don't seem to work these days. Originally by: Commander Nikolas People like Lukec are the problem and they know it. Shin Ra's Raven has 4x WCS, Lukec's Dominix has 5x WCS & Ishtar has 2x WCS. Antipiracy is causing brain damage
Recluse XXX	Posted - 2006.03.20 21:11:00 - [46] Its uber...NERF IT! //Rec -------------- Edited by: sausage jockey on 01/02/2006 22:02:39 We will not give up until we have penetrated the rear entrance to Stain, we hope this will hurt SA to the point they start to cry.
Nyphur	Posted - 2006.03.30 23:58:00 - [47] Originally by: blood red 2 small repairers are not better than 1 medium. its been said time and again. same cap/same hp per sec, except you waste a slot. I'd normally agree with this but the Ishtar is a funny ship to fit. It's got some cap problems, too. Fitting two medium nos will go a long way toward running a sustained tank without wasting 3 slots and over 30mil on cap gear - slots that you NEED for webbers and scramblers and which would be better used for EW or sensor boosters. That setup might look good on paper or in a test situation but real experience shows it has limited use. Eve-Tanking.com - For the ultimate tanking spreadsheet and resources.
The Cold	Posted - 2006.03.31 00:25:00 - [48] Nerf it !!!
Kairenna	Posted - 2006.04.05 08:08:00 - [49] Most important are still the drones. What setups are you guys using? I mean what drones, how many and how are they grouped?
Justice Bringer	Posted - 2006.04.06 08:48:00 - [50] Originally by: Kairenna Most important are still the drones. What setups are you guys using? I mean what drones, how many and how are they grouped? As long as you have HAS to lvl 4 then you have a reasonable drone bay to fill. You can carry 10 heavy, 5 med and a load of lights. Always carry explosive as that tends to be the weakest resist of "most" ships. Other than that pack in some EM, Kinetic, and Themral in each of the sizes. My favourite grouping is 3 x Explosive, 2 x EM in any size, and a 3/2 split for kinetic/therm. It all depends on which rats you're up against as you may find that some have a superb resistance against thermal and so Ogres are useles, or some BS have great resist against EM so praetors are useles. It's trial and error and knowing your targets resist. You could pack in some EW drones also so if you have drone interfacing at lvl 5 you could use 3 combat and 2 EW in a group. Only problem is that you can't group combat and EW drones in a single group so it makes for a little more work when deploying what you want, but it still works. Just pack in plenty and you should cover all bases. Justice
iamme	Posted - 2006.04.16 04:20:00 - [51] I see alot on here about the ship but what SP do you all recommend as a minimum in drones I never fly a ship unless I can really fly it. TY all for any help.
Justice Bringer	Posted - 2006.04.16 07:03:00 - [52] Originally by: iamme I see alot on here about the ship but what SP do you all recommend as a minimum in drones I never fly a ship unless I can really fly it. TY all for any help. You need to get Drones, Drone Inerfacing, Scout Drones all to lvl 5. After that if you want to use tech II heavy drones you'll also need Heavy Drone Ops to lvl 5. With those all at lvl 5 you can use all combat drones (Tech II when you specialise) and the EW simply require your EW skills to be at lvl 4. I currently have 12 Drone skills @ 2.297 mill SPs Justice
Koetsu	Posted - 2006.04.17 01:57:00 - [53] Edited by: Koetsu on 17/04/2006 01:59:26 Edited by: Koetsu on 17/04/2006 01:57:30 NPC setup, works fine for soloing most lvl4¦s high: 3x 150mmT2 1x Nos M T2 1x e5 small nos med: AB10T2 signal booster 90% webber named/T2 cap recharger EW ( painter in missions for sentries) low: 1600mm tungsten repper M T2 RCUT2 2xenergized T2 depending on rats drones: 5 hvys 5 sentries 5 meds webber sentries work fine from 65 km down to 30 km, then switch to hvys/ meds, but never web the target the hvys re on if its a frig, they dont hit crap then 3.9 in drones here
Orvas Dren	Posted - 2006.04.21 05:29:00 - [54] My current ratting setup. 2 Med Diminishing NOS 3 150mm II w/ Javelin S 1 10MN AB II 1 Drone Tracking Mod 3 Cap Charger II 1 MAR II 2 Named Exp Hardeners 1 Energized Thermic Plate (Faction for 40% or higher) 1 800mm Crystalline Carbide 60 EM and 75% or higher on all other resists and enough Cap with the NOS going to run it all forever. PvP: 3 Med Diminishing NOS 2 150mm II w/ Javelin S 1 10MN AB II 1 X5 or better Web 1 20km Scrambler 1 Drone Tracking Mod 1 Cap Charger (Named or T2 if you can afford it.) 1 MAR II 1 Named Exp Hardener 1 Named Therm Hardener 1 Passive EM plate (40% if possible) 1 800mm Crystaline Carbide or Tungsten I personally run 5 Hammerhead II for most of my ratting, but once I get the ability to run Ogre II or Berserker II, I will use those. PvP Drones I think Med's are the best all-around, so a mix of Hammerhead II and Valkyrie II in bay for whatever you may run into. Drones Interfacing 5 does help a bit I noticed.
Phaese	Posted - 2006.04.21 06:45:00 - [55] This is a pretty crazy Serpentis/Guristas tank; I used to use this when I hacked in Gallante COSMOS, but hacking was boring. But the tank is sweet: Highs: whatever you can/want to fit, I used 3x 75mm IIs Mids: 2x Best Named Large Capacitor Battery 2x Named/t2 Cap Recharger 1x Codebreaker Lows: 2x Medium Rep II 2x Thermal Hardner II 1x Kinetic Hardner II It ended up having 92% to kin/therm and could run everything forever (almost; you have to skip one of the rep cycles every once and a while, at least I did). Obviously a full bay of drones is your main offensive weapon.
Daivasth	Posted - 2006.04.21 22:15:00 - [56] Originally by: blood red 2 small repairers are not better than 1 medium. its been said time and again. same cap/same hp per sec, except you waste a slot. actually any small crap on a hac is stupid, all these setups have something small on them i cant help but see that as a waste of resources. if you want to run small stuff get an assault frigate. if your a smart hac pilot you dont try and do 25 different things with it, just build a tank and run dual 150 or heavy electrons, and rely on drones for damage. 3 dual 150mm or heavy electrons, 2 small remote armor repairers 10mn ab, 2 cap charger 2 1 med battery 2 1 web/[ainter slot 2 medium repairers, 1 energized adaptive 2, and 2 cap relays. will autorun the tank, and will only need one repairer to best any other setup in here. this setup vs a 3 nos ishtar ends with the 3 nos ishtar losing if you have the foresight to attack the enemy drones. ive proved it vs berserker 2 ishtar and am quite satisfied. to be honest, i would have to force CCP to call a psychologist for someone who would take your word on PvPing in an Ishtar over the word of Eyeshadow... this isnt a flame, but keep in mind that the OP wants a variety of info, not an arguement over easeir fitting vs extra slot... that said, in general, is there a difference between running 125s vs 150mms?
Kai Jyokoroi	Posted - 2006.06.04 03:45:00 - [57] Edited by: Kai Jyokoroi on 04/06/2006 03:53:50 Hmmm, I'm going to be getting an Ishtar soon, what do people think of this set-up? Highs - 3 x E50 med nos - 2 x 125mm prototypes Med - 10mn AB II - 90% webber - Fleeting 20k warp scrambler (or TS if I ever find one) - 2 x Tracking disruptor IIs (I find them to be more reliable than jammers at screwing up peoples damage output) Low - MAR II - True Sansha active exp hardener - 2 x EANM II - 800mm rolled tungsten 5 Ogre IIs and 5 Berserker IIs in the lows, along with a smattering of various other types of bees. I haven't checked at all to see if this would fit, it's just my ideas. Thoughts? _____________ The day I receive my first moderator forum-sig hijack is the day I realise I have won Eve. Stain Alliance diplomat
Skrypt	Posted - 2006.06.04 06:26:00 - [58] Eyeshadow, why T2 M Pulses instead of T2 M Rails? - Skrypt
fmercury	Posted - 2006.06.04 06:33:00 - [59] Originally by: Skrypt Eyeshadow, why T2 M Pulses instead of T2 M Rails? Well, medium beam lasers do a ittle more dps than 150mms, and get better tracking. But then again, they suffer somewhat in range, so i guess it's personal preference. Besides, maybe his small laser skills are better than his small hybrid skills. (i doubt it, though )
Coulix	Posted - 2006.06.04 08:50:00 - [60] solo pvp setup. took down a raven with heavy nos, tempest. Hi: 2 med nos named, 1 small energy neut. Med: af2 web 2warp_disruptor sensor_booster Low: 800t2, medrep_t2, 2energized_t2, 1*whatever_actuve hardenert2. t2 heavy.
Dash Ripcock	Posted - 2006.06.05 10:43:00 - [61] Edited by: Dash Ripcock on 05/06/2006 10:43:02 Originally by: fmercury Edited by: fmercury on 04/06/2006 06:37:28 Originally by: Skrypt Eyeshadow, why T2 M Pulses instead of T2 M Rails? Well, medium beam lasers do a ittle more dps than 150mms, and get better tracking. But then again, they suffer somewhat in range, so i guess it's personal preference. They also use up a lot less CPU, like so: High 3 * Medium Pulse IIs 2 * Med Nosferatus (E50 or Diminishing) Med 1 * AB II 1 * 20Km Scrambler 1 * Webber (85% plus) 2 * Multi-Spec Jammers (Hypnos) Low 1 * 1600mm RT 1 * Active Explosive Hardener (N-Type) 1 * Energ. Adap. Nano. II 1 * Small Armour Rep II 1 * RCU I Drones 10 * Heavies 10 * Medium 5 * Lights
Crellion	Posted - 2006.06.05 10:54:00 - [62] Originally by: Dash Ripcock Edited by: Dash Ripcock on 05/06/2006 10:43:02 Originally by: fmercury Edited by: fmercury on 04/06/2006 06:37:28 Originally by: Skrypt Eyeshadow, why T2 M Pulses instead of T2 M Rails? Well, medium beam lasers do a ittle more dps than 150mms, and get better tracking. But then again, they suffer somewhat in range, so i guess it's personal preference. They also use up a lot less CPU, like so: High 3 * Medium Pulse IIs 2 * Med Nosferatus (E50 or Diminishing) Med 1 * AB II 1 * 20Km Scrambler 1 * Webber (85% plus) 2 * Multi-Spec Jammers (Hypnos) Low 1 * 1600mm RT 1 * Active Explosive Hardener (N-Type) 1 * Energ. Adap. Nano. II 1 * Small Armour Rep II 1 * RCU I Drones 10 * Heavies 10 * Medium 5 * Lights nice
Atandros	Posted - 2006.06.05 11:18:00 - [63] Originally by: Dash Ripcock High 3 * 150mm IIs 1 * S Nosfer (E5) 1 * M Nosfer (E50) Med 1 * AB II 1 * 20Km Scrambler 1 * Webber (85% plus) 2 * ECM Slots (Tracking Disruptors, Painters, Dampeners, EW) Low 1 * 1600mm RT 1 * M Armour Rep II 1 * Explosive Hardener (N-Type) 1 * Energ. Adap. Nano II 1 * RCU II Drones Target specific, although a batch of five ECM drones are good for tricky situations. She's basically a Swiss army knife. I pretty much swear on the plate - having 6000 hardened points between you and the Almighty is no bad thing, and it has saved my bacon on many occasions. She'll kill frigates with ease, take out other cruiser-sized ships through ECM and damage, and with some careful flying can be deadly against a Battleship (or Battleships if you're Marko). Fantastic piece of equipment. Heh. I had this exact same fit when I was using Ishtars heavily a little less than a year ago, and also considered it a Swiss army knife (I called it the SwisshtarÖ in fact ). I may try it out again; it's very nice to see it has held up and still shines.
Ganandorf	Posted - 2006.06.05 11:32:00 - [64] i was thinking something along the lines of: 2x med diminishing, 3x 150mm(maybe 125mm don't remember cpu wise) AB, web, scramble, 2x hypnos multispectral MAR II, energized reactive II, 2x energized nano II, 800mm plate
Car Wars	Posted - 2006.06.05 11:37:00 - [65] Originally by: Atandros Originally by: Dash Ripcock High 3 * 150mm IIs 1 * S Nosfer (E5) 1 * M Nosfer (E50) Med 1 * AB II 1 * 20Km Scrambler 1 * Webber (85% plus) 2 * ECM Slots (Tracking Disruptors, Painters, Dampeners, EW) Low 1 * 1600mm RT 1 * M Armour Rep II 1 * Explosive Hardener (N-Type) 1 * Energ. Adap. Nano II 1 * RCU II Drones Target specific, although a batch of five ECM drones are good for tricky situations. She's basically a Swiss army knife. I pretty much swear on the plate - having 6000 hardened points between you and the Almighty is no bad thing, and it has saved my bacon on many occasions. She'll kill frigates with ease, take out other cruiser-sized ships through ECM and damage, and with some careful flying can be deadly against a Battleship (or Battleships if you're Marko). Fantastic piece of equipment. Heh. I had this exact same fit when I was using Ishtars heavily a little less than a year ago, and also considered it a Swiss army knife (I called it the SwisshtarÖ in fact ). I may try it out again; it's very nice to see it has held up and still shines. I dont fly the ishtar yet, but have alot of experience with vexor(PvP) and dominix. Seems like the above setup is the only real killer setup here. Just a couple of things: -Think a med rep II is needed like in this setup, see alot with small armor reps, is this doable on a HAC(with the nice resists and all)? -I much prefer a 800 plate = more agility. A vexor warps/turns pretty quick with it. And it will leave you the option of 1 more medium nos (on a vexor). -switch the energized adaptive nano for a damage control, makes me a happy man on a vexor. It ads to your mass, so go with a 800 plate. You have hull tanked so who cares.
Gronsak	Posted - 2006.06.05 11:51:00 - [66] Originally by: SUMZER0 I have seen many threads for the Deimos...Have not seen any suggestions for an ishtar set up....I amthinking of buying one....any good setup ideas? you probably dont want an ishtar tbh, there isnt much an ishtar can do that a domi doesnt do better. only exception is speed [not that big an advantage] and sig [TP are much more common and expect them to get more use over time] dommi > ishtar in 98% of situations for pvp ishtar > domi in pve -------------------Sig----------------------- welcome to eve, a game for the unemployed, the t2 bpo winners, GTC sellers, macro miners and agent *****s
Deathbarrage	Posted - 2006.06.05 11:53:00 - [67] Originally by: Gronsak Originally by: SUMZER0 I have seen many threads for the Deimos...Have not seen any suggestions for an ishtar set up....I amthinking of buying one....any good setup ideas? you probably dont want an ishtar tbh, there isnt much an ishtar can do that a domi doesnt do better. only exception is speed [not that big an advantage] and sig [TP are much more common and expect them to get more use over time] dommi > ishtar in 98% of situations for pvp ishtar > domi in pve for roaming pvp (AKA flying around in a small gang in 0.0 killing people) the speed is a rather large advantage
Gronsak	Posted - 2006.06.05 11:58:00 - [68] Originally by: Deathbarrage for roaming pvp (AKA flying around in a small gang in 0.0 killing people) the speed is a rather large advantage More so that the domi higher more damage output via 6 blasters or 4large nos compaired to 2 mediunm nos? also hac speed is over rated, sure they allign faster and move faster, but what does that do for you in an ishtar over a domi, almost nothing [whereas on a vaga vs tempest it greatly helps!] also instas = BS speed doesnt really matter much Domi: 22+km nos range, BETTER tank than an ishtar! 150mil cheaper! Hurts targets more, ie 1 heavy nos on 4 dif frigs ftw. More cap, more resistant to jamming, Ishtar: faster lock! nothing else tbh -------------------Sig----------------------- welcome to eve, a game for the unemployed, the t2 bpo winners, GTC sellers, macro miners and agent *****s
Dash Ripcock	Posted - 2006.06.05 17:35:00 - [69] Originally by: Car Wars -Think a med rep II is needed like in this setup, see alot with small armor reps, is this doable on a HAC(with the nice resists and all)? If you look up, you'll see that the Medium Pulse setup uses a Small Armour Rep II (SARP II) and two Medium Nosfers over a Medium Armour Rep II (MARP II) and a Medium and Small Nosferatu. Why? You need CPU for the EW, the two Medium Nosfers let you run said EW and finally the Ishtar has a rather poor battery. Running ECM and a MARP II will drain your cap very quickly - with the plate giving you near six-thousand points of armour the SARP II should do the job; it runs at effectively half the efficiency of a MARP II. Originally by: Car Wars -I much prefer a 800 plate = more agility. A vexor warps/turns pretty quick with it. And it will leave you the option of 1 more medium nos (on a vexor). I have never had too many issues utilising a 1600mm plate - especially RT. She can still turn faster than a Battlecruiser or BC and she can take a thorough beating even if your capacitor is dead. Using an 800mm would free up fitting sure, but with Drones, EW and Nosfers all running you shouldn't need to worry about squeezing in one more Nos or heavier guns. Originally by: Car Wars -switch the energized adaptive nano for a damage control, makes me a happy man on a vexor. It ads to your mass, so go with a 800 plate. You have hull tanked so who cares. Negative - if you're running an Ishtar with six-thousand points of armour and harly any shields or hull, you want to make that armour as tough as you possibly can. Running Damage Controls on a blaster ship makes sense since your armour and hull are around similar levels and you're diving into a high risk scenario. With a plated Ishtar we're talking almost no shields and hull and a massive chunk of armour. That armour needs to be as tough as it can be.
Dash Ripcock	Posted - 2006.06.05 17:47:00 - [70] Gronsak - it's true that a Dominix will beat an Ishtar in a fight. Fitted properly there isn't much that can beat a Dominix in a stand up skirmish. That said, the Ishtar has a few tricks up her sleeve: 1:- She's not as terrifying as a Dominix, so cruisers and frigates might actually attack you! Also, that much armour on such a small signature radius does make her a pretty tough little blighter. 2:- It's a hell of a lot faster at crossing systems. In small scenarios this means nothing, but if you're chasing someone it will out-run a Dominix by several systems and probably kill them before the Battleship even gets there. 3:- It looks sexy! Granted, the damned T2 market has made her horribly expensive. If she was the same price as a Dominix you'd spend a good hour biting your thumbs wondering which one to go for. That said, I've been flying her for nearly a year and I just love what she can do for a ship her size. As long as I can afford to fly her I will!
Famine Aligher'ri	Posted - 2006.06.05 18:38:00 - [71] Here is something a bit diffrent... (Necromancer) - Ishtar Medium 'Knave' I Energy Drain (33.0/6sec) Medium 'Knave' I Energy Drain (33.0/6sec) Medium Energy Neutralizer I (200.0/112.5/12sec) Heavy Ion Blaster II [120xVoid M] Heavy Ion Blaster II [120xVoid M] Faint Epsilon Warp Prohibitor I 'Hypnos' Multispectral ECM I 'Hypnos' Multispectral ECM I X5 Prototype I Engine Enervator 10MN Afterburner II Reactor Control Unit II 400mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I Small Armor Repairer II Energized Reactive Membrane II Thermic Plating II 5xBerserker II's (Love my Minnies) 1562 shield, 5.21/s, E/T/K/Ex=0/60/85/60 2847 armor, E/T/K/Ex=60/77/83/52 1125.0 cap, +13.71/s, -32.685/s 601.2953857791226 m/s 445.3 DPS --------------- Vile - Recruiting 0.0 Pirates ---------------
Gronsak	Posted - 2006.06.05 18:50:00 - [72] Originally by: Dash Ripcock Gronsak - it's true that a Dominix will beat an Ishtar in a fight. Fitted properly there isn't much that can beat a Dominix in a stand up skirmish. That said, the Ishtar has a few tricks up her sleeve: 1:- She's not as terrifying as a Dominix, so cruisers and frigates might actually attack you! Also, that much armour on such a small signature radius does make her a pretty tough little blighter. 2:- It's a hell of a lot faster at crossing systems. In small scenarios this means nothing, but if you're chasing someone it will out-run a Dominix by several systems and probably kill them before the Battleship even gets there. 3:- It looks sexy! Granted, the damned T2 market has made her horribly expensive. If she was the same price as a Dominix you'd spend a good hour biting your thumbs wondering which one to go for. That said, I've been flying her for nearly a year and I just love what she can do for a ship her size. As long as I can afford to fly her I will! If you are webbed in pvp [very common] turrets will do the same damage to you as they do to a domi, if you are TP missiles will do the same damage to you as a domi [atm not very common tbh, but it will increase] An ishtar with a plate isnt much faster than a domi and you need to only take into account acceleration to warp tbh. If an ishtar cos me 25mil each time i lost it, i would most probably still use the domi! its a better ship in almost every way! [kinda off topic but if a deimos cos me 25mil per loss i would stil not consider it at all over a blasterthron!] Also im not saying an ishtar will beat a domi or vice versa, im saying ishtar vs eve or domi vs eve! BTW, try this domi setup! 4x heavy nos. 2x medium sized guns. 20km. 4x ecm large T2 rep, medium T2 rep, 3x 55% T2 hardeners, 1x energized adaptive, 1x dcu. Tanks better, higher resistance, same/sightly more dps, 4heavy nos ftw ect -------------------Sig----------------------- welcome to eve, a game for the unemployed, the t2 bpo winners, GTC sellers, macro miners and agent *****s
Famine Aligher'ri	Posted - 2006.06.05 18:55:00 - [73] Originally by: Gronsak 4heavy nos ftw ect 3xHeavy Nos and 1xHeavy Neut is much better. Point of nos is not only to give cap back to your ship but to cripple there cap. Point of Neut is to kill it much faster than Nos. So double nos + 1 tech 1 neut does a better job of tapping your opponent to 0 cap to leave your remaining nos keeping it at 0 while neut is off. Just a tactic though. I mean don't think and all :) --------------- Vile - Recruiting 0.0 Pirates ---------------
Naughty Boy	Posted - 2006.06.05 18:57:00 - [74] Nos domi without injector or plate ? Even I know it's a bad idea... NB.
Gronsak	Posted - 2006.06.05 19:08:00 - [75] Edited by: Gronsak on 05/06/2006 19:09:59 Originally by: Naughty Boy Nos domi without injector or plate ? Even I know it's a bad idea... NB. you the graph boy, look at what that setup can tank, no plate is needed specilly with the dcu which kind of acts like a plate in giving u more time to rep! also cap injecter, yeh it would be nice to have on, loose 1 ecm for a medium injecter with 800s Originally by: Famine Aligher'ri Originally by: Gronsak 4heavy nos ftw ect 3xHeavy Nos and 1xHeavy Neut is much better. Point of nos is not only to give cap back to your ship but to cripple there cap. Point of Neut is to kill it much faster than Nos. So double nos + 1 tech 1 neut does a better job of tapping your opponent to 0 cap to leave your remaining nos keeping it at 0 while neut is off. Just a tactic though. I mean don't think and all :) If you dont have a cap injecter then u need the 4nos to sustain your own cap use, if u do have a cap injecter then yeh neuts ftw -------------------Sig----------------------- welcome to eve, a game for the unemployed, the t2 bpo winners, GTC sellers, macro miners and agent *****s
LUKEC	Posted - 2006.06.05 19:11:00 - [76] Edited by: LUKEC on 05/06/2006 19:14:37 Originally by: Naughty Boy Nos domi without injector or plate ? Even I know it's a bad idea... NB. Ever heard of shield tanked cap destructor? It works and it is very evil... especially when you go 1vs1 vs raven and he assumes armor tank and is spamming non-working bane torps.. or minmatar ship. And for roaming gangs, you don't need plates, you need nanos and trust me, you don't want drone ship or blasterboat, it is just gangbang. --------- Dead already?
Famine Aligher'ri	Posted - 2006.06.05 19:18:00 - [77] Edited by: Famine Aligher''ri on 05/06/2006 19:19:29 Nvm I hate Naughtyboy! --------------- Vile - Recruiting 0.0 Pirates ---------------
Naughty Boy	Posted - 2006.06.05 19:29:00 - [78] Edited by: Naughty Boy on 05/06/2006 19:30:54 Originally by: Gronsak you the graph boy, look at what that setup can tank, no plate is needed specilly with the dcu which kind of acts like a plate in giving u more time to rep! Fair enough for the dcu, yet you still don't have to trade this particular low for the plate. As far as the dps that the setup can tank is concerned, I think that +50% more armor is better than more resistances because you want a decent buffer is you are jammed for instance. Originally by: Gronsak also cap injecter, yeh it would be nice to have on, loose 1 ecm for a medium injecter with 800s Or a large injector, under sustained fire you need all the cap you can get. That might costs you a low for a rcu t2 but i've found it's worth it. Originally by: Gronsak If you dont have a cap injecter then u need the 4nos to sustain your own cap use, if u do have a cap injecter then yeh neuts ftw You don't want your ship to die along with the cap of the enemy, or when jammed. But, yeah, each his own style afterall. Originally by: LUKEC Ever heard of shield tanked cap destructor? It works and it is very evil... especially when you go 1vs1 vs raven and he assumes armor tank and is spamming non-working bane torps.. or minmatar ship. Eh, I know. I still prefer armor tanking so i can get a few more scrambling points. Originally by: LUKEC And for roaming gangs, you don't need plates, you need nanos and trust me, you don't want drone ship or blasterboat, it is just gangbang. It works well for what I do, though if I needed mobility or had to face higher numbers it would probably not work well. I'm still trying many setups at the moment, but i have a few I like and most of them use injectors. Ishtar is for next month (yay for cross training)... NB.
Gronsak	Posted - 2006.06.05 19:35:00 - [79] What do u suggest for a domi setup then NB -------------------Sig----------------------- welcome to eve, a game for the unemployed, the t2 bpo winners, GTC sellers, macro miners and agent *****s
Dash Ripcock	Posted - 2006.06.05 19:40:00 - [80] Nosferatus, Neutralisers and a passive armour tank...
Naughty Boy	Posted - 2006.06.05 19:45:00 - [81] I'm using: 3 heavy nos, 3 med beams t2, 4 ew (2 ecm & 2 disruptors for instance), 1 named heavy cap injector, 2 lar t2, 3 hard t2 (or 2 eanm t2 + dcu), 1600 RT, rcu t2. I think it's pretty close to Jamesw's setup, except the 3 beams and the t2 reps (he uses named reps). You can swap the 1600 RT for a dcu and the 3 beams for 3 med nos. Web and propulsion mods are a waste because if you can catch them with this setup they'll stay there to take the beating anyway (). NB.
Gronsak	Posted - 2006.06.05 20:07:00 - [82] Originally by: Naughty Boy Edited by: Naughty Boy on 05/06/2006 19:46:27 I'm using: 3 heavy nos, 3 med beams t2, 4 ew (2 ecm & 2 disruptors for instance), 1 named heavy cap injector, 2 lar t2, 3 hard t2 (or 2 eanm t2 + dcu), 1600 RT, rcu t2. I think it's pretty close to Jamesw's setup, except the 3 beams and the t2 reps (he uses named reps). You can swap the 1600 RT for a dcu and the 3 beams for 3 med nos. Web and propulsion mods are a waste because if you can catch them with this setup they'll stay there to take the beating anyway (). For the ishtar, I'd just downgrade the lot and fit a propulsion mod, plate and small rep. NB. That tanks less, is more cap dependant, nosses les than the setup i gave you! you seem to be suggesting, plate + 2large reps, + rcu, +3hardeners with a cap injecter and 3 nos IMO that is a terrible setup! seriously try the following and see how it works out 1x 55% kin, 1x 55% thermal, 1x 55% exp, 1x eanm t2, 1x dcu, 1x large, 1x medium in mids 1x medium electrochemica cap injecter with 800s, 4x ew highs 4nos, 2guns that tanks very similar to your setup, on EM it tanks MUCH more, it uses less cap, and becase of the dcu and higher resistances has near enough same or more effective hp, on top of that no plate = faster and 4nos >3nos+1gun -------------------Sig----------------------- welcome to eve, a game for the unemployed, the t2 bpo winners, GTC sellers, macro miners and agent *****s
Gavri	Posted - 2006.06.05 20:45:00 - [83] So gronsak, dual repper setups with cap injectors are a no-no on a domi? Also NB's setup didn't seem to have less tanking ability than yours as his resistances seem to be similar to yours, minus the dcu. I'm just trying to understand how to think about fitting a domi....
Sarmaul	Posted - 2006.06.05 20:46:00 - [84] last time I checked, this thread was about ishtars
Gronsak	Posted - 2006.06.05 21:21:00 - [85] Originally by: Sarmaul last time I checked, this thread was about ishtars ishtar/domi same thing Originally by: someguy So gronsak, dual repper setups with cap injectors are a no-no on a domi? Also NB's setup didn't seem to have less tanking ability than yours as his resistances seem to be similar to yours, minus the dcu. I'm just trying to understand how to think about fitting a domi.... That is where u are wrong, his resistances are not close to that of the setup i suggested, i think the setup i said has 30% more effective resistance, also his setup has the base 60% where the one i put down has > 75% [ie can tank almost 2x EM as his setup] on top of that the dcu adds a lot of structure HP on top of that the setup i give has 1more nos! which is 33.33% more nossing which is a lot! -------------------Sig----------------------- welcome to eve, a game for the unemployed, the t2 bpo winners, GTC sellers, macro miners and agent *****s
Naughty Boy	Posted - 2006.06.05 21:55:00 - [86] Edited by: Naughty Boy on 05/06/2006 22:03:40 Originally by: Gronsak that tanks very similar to your setup, on EM it tanks MUCH more, it uses less cap, and becase of the dcu and higher resistances has near enough same or more effective hp, on top of that no plate = faster and 4nos >3nos+1gun Your setup: ~27k unhardened hp ~467 unhardened dps tanked * not cap neutral (need the nos) My setup: ~35k unhardened hp ~481 unhardened dps tanked * cap neutral (doesn't need the nos as long as there are cap charges) It's slower because of the plate and has to fit a medium nos in my setup, instead of a 4th heavy nos in your setup (to fit the med nos instead of the med beam you need to drop the rcu t2 and a large rep t2 and fit 2 med rep t2). I'd say I still like mine, and I never said that yours is bad. Edit: and I'm considering ending the hijack here >.< Edit2: I'm so going to steal Eyeshadow's and Dash's setups. NB.
Mobyus	Posted - 2006.06.08 09:04:00 - [87] if 2 small reps = 1 medium rep and you are wasting a slot whats the point in running 2 small reps? Surely you are wasting either :- a, more armour b, more resist c, even more cap recharge (which surely blows the cap/recharge ratio of 2 small reps out the window?
Ghost003	Posted - 2006.06.08 12:56:00 - [88] H: x3 150mm II's, X2 Small Unstable Neuts M: Y-T8 Overcharged 10mn Microwarp, Med Cap Booster (800's), x1 Sensor Booster, x2 EW L: Med AR II, 55% Explosive, x2 Nano Adaptives, 800mm Tung Has worked very well for me. I run in small gangs for pvp. I either have x1 20km and x1 7.5 scram on it for 3 points or i run 2 Jammers for EW support. Great speed with the microwarp and never run out of cap. Neut's help break enemy tanks and 150's are for frigs.
Aion Amarra	Posted - 2006.06.08 14:09:00 - [89] Originally by: Mobyus if 2 small reps = 1 medium rep and you are wasting a slot whats the point in running 2 small reps? Surely you are wasting either :- a, more armour b, more resist c, even more cap recharge (which surely blows the cap/recharge ratio of 2 small reps out the window? The point is that (I think) people want to save a ton of grid. I know I did the same pre exodus with a Maller setup. Grid/CPU need for: 1 Medium Armor Repairer II: 173 MW grid, 28 tf CPU 2 Small Armor Repairer II's: 12 MW grid, 12 tf CPU Read, fitting 2 smalls in favor of one med saves you: 161 grid, 16 CPU (and whatever else grid/CPU need for the module you'd usually fit into that second low). Which is a rather large difference, but in my opinion doesn't justify using a slot for that on a HAC. ________ Capship Overhaul
Balthazar Stormorken	Posted - 2006.07.19 13:39:00 - [90] Originally by: Eyeshadow 2xMedium Diminishings 3xMedium pulse IIs 1x10mn AB II 1x20km Distruptor 1x90% Webber 1xTracking disruptor 1xMultispec 1xSmall Armor Rep 1x1600 Rolled Tungsten 1xFaction Explosive Hardner 1xEANM II 1xRCU (Tech2 if u want and upgrade guns a bit) Tried and tested. Speed and maneuvarability isnt needed in an Ishtar so the plate doesnt effect it much. You can of course swop it around for an 800 plat and medium rep, but i prefer the huge armor. I've never really used ECM before, but in order to jam, say, a HAC, won't you need to use 5 Heavy ECM drones in addition to the module? And if you're doing that, can you really do enough damage to take it out, with the Ishtar having no laser bonuses? Or can you keep them jammed with just the module after you've jammed them with mod/drones? How does it work?
PMolkenthin Psykotic Dreams	Posted - 2006.08.18 20:52:00 - [91] So after reading this thread, and some interesting setups etc. I can't help being concerned about the whole dominix thing. If the dominix can do everything the ishtar does and more, why did i spend all that isk and skill training to get one? there must be a reason why people pay 175mil and train that f***ing gallente cruiser lvl 5 skill to fly an ishtar?
Jenstruant Fogg	Posted - 2006.08.18 22:04:00 - [92] Originally by: PMolkenthin So after reading this thread, and some interesting setups etc. I can't help being concerned about the whole dominix thing. If the dominix can do everything the ishtar does and more, why did i spend all that isk and skill training to get one? there must be a reason why people pay 175mil and train that f***ing gallente cruiser lvl 5 skill to fly an ishtar? Because it can run lvl4 Gurista/Serpentis missions easily?
PMolkenthin Psykotic Dreams	Posted - 2006.08.19 00:23:00 - [93] I dont do missions.
Zed Nash	Posted - 2006.08.19 01:16:00 - [94] Originally by: PMolkenthin So after reading this thread, and some interesting setups etc. I can't help being concerned about the whole dominix thing. If the dominix can do everything the ishtar does and more, why did i spend all that isk and skill training to get one? there must be a reason why people pay 175mil and train that f***ing gallente cruiser lvl 5 skill to fly an ishtar? Truly spoken like someone who's never flown one before....... Drone range bonus almost eliminates the need to for high-slot mods to increase their range, better base resists means a meaner passive tank (shield or armor) and a less cap-reliant setup, never (NEVER I SAY!!!) underestimate the speed advantage. An Ishtar is like sex, you never know what the bruhaha is about until you experience it for yourself. "Maya Rkell is my online stalker."
PMolkenthin Psykotic Dreams	Posted - 2006.08.19 01:25:00 - [95] Originally by: Zed Nash Truly spoken like someone who's never flown one before....... Drone range bonus almost eliminates the need to for high-slot mods to increase their range, better base resists means a meaner passive tank (shield or armor) and a less cap-reliant setup, never (NEVER I SAY!!!) underestimate the speed advantage. An Ishtar is like sex, you never know what the bruhaha is about until you experience it for yourself. Correct. I have not flown one. Iv been busy training to fly one, and I just bought one. But some peoples comments about how the domi does it better put me off a bit. I just wanted to hear that all the effort is worth it (from someone who has flown one).
LUKEC Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.08.19 12:16:00 - [96] Originally by: PMolkenthin Originally by: Zed Nash Truly spoken like someone who's never flown one before....... Drone range bonus almost eliminates the need to for high-slot mods to increase their range, better base resists means a meaner passive tank (shield or armor) and a less cap-reliant setup, never (NEVER I SAY!!!) underestimate the speed advantage. An Ishtar is like sex, you never know what the bruhaha is about until you experience it for yourself. Correct. I have not flown one. Iv been busy training to fly one, and I just bought one. But some peoples comments about how the domi does it better put me off a bit. I just wanted to hear that all the effort is worth it (from someone who has flown one). It's like deimos vs astarte vs thron. Thron does it all better (apart from frig sniping with railstarte) but hacs have their strengths. Speed, lock time and much better getway ability. --------------------- Looking for frentix? Mail me.
Ras Blumin 0utbreak	Posted - 2006.08.19 13:32:00 - [97] Originally by: Balthazar Stormorken I've never really used ECM before, but in order to jam, say, a HAC, won't you need to use 5 Heavy ECM drones in addition to the module? And if you're doing that, can you really do enough damage to take it out, with the Ishtar having no laser bonuses? Or can you keep them jammed with just the module after you've jammed them with mod/drones? How does it work? Each mod / drone has a chance of jamming pr cycle. 1 hypnos has about 20% chance of jamming a bs iirc. Probably 30-40% chance of jamming a hac (I've forgotten the formula, and cba doing teh maths, but those numbers shouldn't be that far off).
Dismoi Oui	Posted - 2006.10.21 03:25:00 - [98] Edited by: Dismoi Oui on 21/10/2006 03:26:21 overkill lvl3 setup: High 2x heavy electron ii 1x heavy ion ii 1x tractor beam 1x drone link augm Mid 1x hydrocarbon ab 1x med cap battery ii 1x extron target painter 1x drone nav comp 1x omni tracking link (drone) Low 1x med rep ii 1x dread guri copro 1x 800mm crystal plate (+1560) 1x True sancha reactive mem 1x EANM ii +slew of drones warp in kill stuff loot & turnin only way to loose this ship running lvl3 is to disc when you had 20+ ships aggrod without having the armor rep going Told you was overkill
Irimi Nage Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.21 04:36:00 - [99] I use Eyeshadow's setup with a couple of small modifications: I use ACs rather than pulse, as since the idea is to be cap independant as much as possible, I'd rather use my cap from nos to run scramblers and the SAR. Also, I have no skills in lasers :) I also use a caldari racial rather than a multispec. I figure the tracking disruptor takes care of most other ships (except drone ones) and the caldari jammer gives me a good chance of jamming missile ships. The only thing I fear really is a domi. ---
Deitre Cibrus Beagle Corp R0ADKILL	Posted - 2006.10.21 05:26:00 - [100] I like this setup: 3 medium dim nos 2 125 MM proto/II(Can't remember.. I think proto for CPU) 10mn ABII Balmer tracking disrupter hypnos multi spec 7.5km scram 90% web MARII 2x EANMII 1x good DC True sansha/Shadow serp explosive hardener. ----------- Originally by: Santiago Cortes Please don't derail your own thread. What is this sig missing?
Benglada Finite Horizon	Posted - 2006.10.21 06:16:00 - [101] 2x Dimin nos, 3x 125mm rails Ab II cap recharger(if its not faction recharger just use a web) 20k scram 2x hypnos ecm (Not t2, t2 use to much cap) med rep II adaptive nano II damage control 800mm plate explosive hard faction where applicable --------------------------- Originally by: Arkanor 0.0 is the Final Frontier. Bring money and friends.
Deitre Cibrus Beagle Corp R0ADKILL	Posted - 2006.10.21 07:11:00 - [102] Originally by: Benglada 2x Dimin nos, 3x 125mm rails Ab II cap recharger(if its not faction recharger just use a web) 20k scram 2x hypnos ecm (Not t2, t2 use to much cap) med rep II adaptive nano II damage control 800mm plate explosive hard faction where applicable My only problem with that setup is, another 125mm rail isn't going to do an amazing amount of damage more, so I'd personally rather go with another NOS/neut. ----------- Originally by: Santiago Cortes Please don't derail your own thread. What is this sig missing?
Bob DeBuilder The X-Trading Company Dusk and Dawn	Posted - 2006.10.21 08:43:00 - [103] PvP: 2x Medium Dimishing nos 3x small neuts 1x AB T2 1x webber 1x 20km scramble 2x Hypnos Multispec 1x MAR T2 1x 800mm Plate 1x Explosive membrane 1x EANM T2 1x Damage Control I'm using a Tairei's explosive membrane which i found ages ago. The whole setup should fit with some cheap shadow serpentis explo hardener / membrane, too. It works well for pvp if you have the balls to fly without stabs
Phantom Harlock Gallente Righteous-Indignation	Posted - 2006.12.01 08:00:00 - [104] bump for updated setup post revaltions.
asdfsdaddadsa	Posted - 2006.12.01 14:51:00 - [105] Edited by: asdfsdaddadsa on 01/12/2006 15:21:03 Edited by: asdfsdaddadsa on 01/12/2006 15:07:48 Edited by: asdfsdaddadsa on 01/12/2006 14:52:07 POST REVALATIONS PVP SOLO SETUP: ok this is a little more pricy than ure average ishtar setup but nobody in a 1v1 could beat it even a lvl 5 domi which was a real tough fight though. HIGHS 3 neutron blaster II's 2 e50's MEDIUM 1x Electochemical cap booster 2x 20km warp disruptor (nobody carrys more than 1 stab these days in belts) 1x Domination web (or any other type of web as long as its better than 10km range) 1x 10ABII LOWS 2x 'Meditation' medium armour repper (cosmos repper gives the same repair amout as a tk2 epper but uses 50pg less!) 1x Damage control (best you can afford) 1x Energised adaptive nanno 1x Active explosive ardiner II DRONES 10 xOGRE II 5 x MEDIUM ECM 10 X HAMMERHAEDII 5 X HOBGOBLIN II With this setup you can orbit your target at 11km with the AB on you will be going between 500 and 620m/s depending on skills and medium/heavy drones cant even hit you at that speed nevermind bs guns. If your in trouble the ecm drones are very handy for making a speedy retreat and if you are attacked by multipul trgets the speed is good enough to get out of scram range especially now with the new hp buff. This way your out of the targets web range moving like a bullet nossing and the 3 neutron blasters shreds drones to peaces and does respectable damage if your wanting to get even closer. The ishtar is in my opinion one of the most versitile pvp ships in the game and is defonatly on my list of ships to fear.Somebody posted that a domi is better this is only true on paper not in real life.An ishtar can warp around,lock target far quicker and can with all intensive purposes tank better as its speed is its best tank as long as your out of the dredded web range. Using alt to post so nobody knows whats comming when i warp in
Phantom Harlock Gallente Righteous-Indignation Imperium Alliance	Posted - 2006.12.02 06:24:00 - [106] any others?
Phantom Harlock Gallente Righteous-Indignation Imperium Alliance	Posted - 2006.12.03 19:39:00 - [107] bump for more post revelations ishtar pvp setups.
Segmentor Hunters Agency Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2006.12.03 21:10:00 - [108] Edited by: Segmentor on 03/12/2006 21:11:39 Originally by: asdfsdaddadsa Edited by: asdfsdaddadsa on 01/12/2006 15:21:03 Edited by: asdfsdaddadsa on 01/12/2006 15:07:48 Edited by: asdfsdaddadsa on 01/12/2006 14:52:07 POST REVALATIONS PVP SOLO SETUP: ok this is a little more pricy than ure average ishtar setup but nobody in a 1v1 could beat it even a lvl 5 domi which was a real tough fight though. HIGHS 3 neutron blaster II's 2 e50's MEDIUM 1x Electochemical cap booster 2x 20km warp disruptor (nobody carrys more than 1 stab these days in belts) 1x Domination web (or any other type of web as long as its better than 10km range) 1x 10ABII LOWS 2x 'Meditation' medium armour repper (cosmos repper gives the same repair amout as a tk2 epper but uses 50pg less!) 1x Damage control (best you can afford) 1x Energised adaptive nanno 1x Active explosive ardiner II DRONES 10 xOGRE II 5 x MEDIUM ECM 10 X HAMMERHAEDII 5 X HOBGOBLIN II With this setup you can orbit your target at 11km with the AB on you will be going between 500 and 620m/s depending on skills and medium/heavy drones cant even hit you at that speed nevermind bs guns. If your in trouble the ecm drones are very handy for making a speedy retreat and if you are attacked by multipul trgets the speed is good enough to get out of scram range especially now with the new hp buff. This way your out of the targets web range moving like a bullet nossing and the 3 neutron blasters shreds drones to peaces and does respectable damage if your wanting to get even closer. The ishtar is in my opinion one of the most versitile pvp ships in the game and is defonatly on my list of ships to fear.Somebody posted that a domi is better this is only true on paper not in real life.An ishtar can warp around,lock target far quicker and can with all intensive purposes tank better as its speed is its best tank as long as your out of the dredded web range. Using alt to post so nobody knows whats comming when i warp in I was under the impression that you'd be much better off fitting a plate rather than dual reps after Revelations. Nice setup though, i'd fit small rails instead of blasters and a tracking disruptor instead of the 2nd scram, if i were to fly it. ---
Karylia Caldari Section XIII Tau Ceti Federation	Posted - 2006.12.04 07:30:00 - [109] Originally by: Phantom Harlock bump for more post revelations ishtar pvp setups. High : 2x Nosf (diminishing) 3x 125mm Railgun II Med : 1x AB II 1x Warp Disruptor (named) 1x Web (named) 1x Tracking Disruptor II 1x Medium Elec Cap Booster (800) Low : 1x Medium Armor Rep II 1x Explo Hardener (faction or II) 1x Damage Control (named) 1x True Sansha Energized Adaptive Nano 1x Reactive Plating II http://rank.tauceti-federation.com/tcf_ruban_campagne
Nines Tslaruk Minmatar Federation of Freedom Fighters Executive Outcomes	Posted - 2007.01.24 20:27:00 - [110] Right now I have 2 DB med nos, 3 125 IIs 10 Mn ab II, DB webber, 20 km disrupter, 2 tracking disrupters corpum a-type mar, 1 DB eanm, 1 dcu II, 1 DB exp hardner, and an 800 mm plate What I want to know is what others are using for ew these days after the ecm nerf. I tried with target painters, which didn't seem to help much, but the problem is, even with two nos my cap is hurting if I run my whole setup. I have both cap skills at 4, but I'm wondering if a med injector would be worth it, or if it would just gimp the whole setup. Any thoughts? ------------------- Been podded?
Enkilil Minmatar Republic Fleet and Logistics	Posted - 2007.04.16 12:27:00 - [111] Edited by: Enkilil on 16/04/2007 12:25:09 Originally by: asdfsdaddadsa POST REVALATIONS PVP SOLO SETUP: ok this is a little more pricy than ure average ishtar setup but nobody in a 1v1 could beat it even a lvl 5 domi which was a real tough fight though. HIGHS 3 neutron blaster II's 2 e50's MEDIUM 1x Electochemical cap booster 2x 20km warp disruptor (nobody carrys more than 1 stab these days in belts) 1x Domination web (or any other type of web as long as its better than 10km range) 1x 10ABII LOWS 2x 'Meditation' medium armour repper (cosmos repper gives the same repair amout as a tk2 epper but uses 50pg less!) 1x Damage control (best you can afford) 1x Energised adaptive nanno 1x Active explosive ardiner II DRONES 10 xOGRE II 5 x MEDIUM ECM 10 X HAMMERHAEDII 5 X HOBGOBLIN II With this setup you can orbit your target at 11km with the AB on you will be going between 500 and 620m/s depending on skills and medium/heavy drones cant even hit you at that speed nevermind bs guns. If your in trouble the ecm drones are very handy for making a speedy retreat and if you are attacked by multipul trgets the speed is good enough to get out of scram range especially now with the new hp buff. This way your out of the targets web range moving like a bullet nossing and the 3 neutron blasters shreds drones to peaces and does respectable damage if your wanting to get even closer. The ishtar is in my opinion one of the most versitile pvp ships in the game and is defonatly on my list of ships to fear.Somebody posted that a domi is better this is only true on paper not in real life.An ishtar can warp around,lock target far quicker and can with all intensive purposes tank better as its speed is its best tank as long as your out of the dredded web range. Using alt to post so nobody knows whats comming when i warp in I love you (in a purely Platonic, non-homo way). In 4 pages, this is the first blaster setup that makes sense. It has bonuses ppl, use them..... small guns? small reppers...? STABS? pulse lasers? you are all high as a frickin kite. do you have enuf pg / cpu to swap out some EW for one of those diruptors, or play around w/ something like another EANM or hardener in favor of the DC?
Elentari Evenstar	Posted - 2007.06.13 02:55:00 - [112] Ok just bought one here's my first try at a fit....any suggestions. One thing I noticed everyone using small 150's my question is why not fit med dual 150's instead as I have done in my setup? Is it because you have to lose the tech II passive resists? I have both spike and javelin ammo in my cargo hold so I can hit from either 31km or 4,320m optimal. Hi's: 3 med rails dual 150's, 2 E50 prototype nos Med: 10mn tech II ab, cap recharger tech II, 1 supplemental sensor booster, tech II warp inhibitor, langour drive Low: tech II MAR, tech II DCU, N-type explosive passive, 2 N-type Adaptive nanos Drones: 5 Ogre II's, 5 Hammerhead II's, 5 Hobgoblin II's, and 5 heavy Wasp ECM Eventually if I can get my skills better and buy some better modules with less PG and CPU requirements I'd like to fit 3 Tech II 200mm rails, 1 named nos, and 1 Drone Control Unit in the the hi's with about the same fit in the lows with the exception being I'd like to fit a mwd instead of an ab. Does anyone know if this is possible? Has anyone every tried out a setup like this? Will I need to save my rig spots for power grid rigs?
Sun Wukong	Posted - 2007.09.18 11:41:00 - [113] I have a problem that I need help with. I haven't played Eve for over 2 years. This means that I have forgot very much. I need help to a god setup at my Isthar. Use: PvE and missions I am very good at drones (9M points), and I dont want to hear that it¦s a waste of points.... I want a build, that combine the drones and ship together on a efficient way that make me do the missions fast and easy. I dont have so much money for the moment so I need some cheap stuff to start with. So I want both the slots and witch specified drones I should use (I can use all of them) Please help me on a constrictive way to get my playing going again. And if you make me an answer i would be glad it you told me the main tactic with the build.
Nakamura San Caldari	Posted - 2007.09.18 12:04:00 - [114] what about a speed ishtar for solo hunting/ganking? is it possible to get 4km/sec without implants? Are you shpongled?
Darth Felin	Posted - 2007.09.18 13:15:00 - [115] Originally by: Nakamura San what about a speed ishtar for solo hunting/ganking? is it possible to get 4km/sec without implants? It is possible. But you will have to have a command link or some complex equipment.
Kruel Blunt Force Syndicate	Posted - 2007.09.18 15:01:00 - [116] Originally by: Nakamura San what about a speed ishtar for solo hunting/ganking? is it possible to get 4km/sec without implants? Navigation 5 Acceleration Control 5 2x polycarb rigs 3x overdrive IIs 5% speed: Hardwiring - Eifyr & Co. 'Rogue' CY-2 5% mwd: Hardwiring - Eifyr & Co. 'Rogue' MY-2 5% mwd: Zor's Custom Navigation Hyper-Link = 4096 m/s Those hardwires are much more affordable than they used to be since the LP stores came out, making speed fits that much easier to afford.
Eneela M	Posted - 2007.09.18 15:01:00 - [117] Edited by: Eneela M on 18/09/2007 15:01:54 Originally by: Darth Felin Originally by: Nakamura San what about a speed ishtar for solo hunting/ganking? is it possible to get 4km/sec without implants? It is possible. But you will have to have a command link or some complex equipment. I don't think so. 2x polycarb, 2x OD II, 3x nano II and an mwd II with lvl 5 nav and lvl 4 accel control gets you to 4.5k+
Nakamura San Caldari	Posted - 2007.09.18 15:29:00 - [118] Originally by: Kruel 5% speed: Hardwiring - Eifyr & Co. 'Rogue' CY-2 5% mwd: Hardwiring - Eifyr & Co. 'Rogue' MY-2 5% mwd: Zor's Custom Navigation Hyper-Link where can I get it? My Ishukone Watch agents have no such implants in LP store list ------------------ Are you shpongled?
Darth Felin	Posted - 2007.09.18 15:40:00 - [119] Originally by: Nakamura San Originally by: Kruel 5% speed: Hardwiring - Eifyr & Co. 'Rogue' CY-2 5% mwd: Hardwiring - Eifyr & Co. 'Rogue' MY-2 5% mwd: Zor's Custom Navigation Hyper-Link where can I get it? My Ishukone Watch agents have no such implants in LP store list My fault. I used EFT with "without skills" character.
Nakamura San Caldari	Posted - 2007.09.18 16:22:00 - [120] Originally by: Darth Felin My fault. I used EFT with "without skills" character. thanx anyway. now i know what to look for :) ------------------ Are you shpongled?

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