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Gem Gafaar
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Posted - 2006.02.26 23:07:00 -
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Hi All
I got swamped with drones from a Thorax today, and they ripped me apart in seconds. I was in my nice new Moa! Is there a device that would help kill or disable drone attacks other that my own drones, which lasted about 10 seconds. I did only have 3 though.
Cheers
Gem
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babyblue
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Posted - 2006.02.26 23:10:00 -
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Smart bomb is a drones' most deadly enemy.
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Aneeda
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Posted - 2006.02.26 23:34:00 -
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Yep... smart bombs.
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Gronsak
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Posted - 2006.02.26 23:36:00 -
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cose range guns + web
smartbombs.
your own drones.
outrun the drones.
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j0sephine
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Posted - 2006.02.26 23:53:00 -
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Smartbombs weren't that great drone defense to begin with, and with the drone hp changes are about worthless now...
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Susa Ou
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Posted - 2006.02.27 01:37:00 -
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And of course, there is the high probability that you are near a gate that could have sentries. In that case, an AOE mod like smartbombs is a form of suicide. As it stands, the only way to handle drones is to stay away from the main ship (thorax in this case) and kill each drone one by one. . .then start on the Rax.
Sounds like a bum deal.
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Meryth
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Posted - 2006.02.27 02:36:00 -
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First off, you can't fit a smartbomb on a Moa, it doesn't have the grid and you would gimp your setup (with top skills, don't even think about it with low skillpoints).
Second off, you'll be dead before drones die, whatever you do.
So what?
Range, that's supposed to be the way to use Caldari ships.
Drones won't get to you from afar.
Of course, Tuxford in his high wisdom never thought a Moa could get through a gate and probably thinks Caldari ships uncloak at 100km from gates 
Bottom line: do not fly a Moa, it sucks.
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Beringe
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Posted - 2006.02.27 02:39:00 -
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A moa with blasters and assault launchers + web should make short work of drones.
You'll need something to even the odds if you are going 1vs1 against a thorax, though.
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Gronsak
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Posted - 2006.02.27 02:49:00 -
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like Meryth says, ur trying to fight a close range ship in a long range ship at close range :P
the moa is a good frig sniper and it can do this at 100km.
the only problem is that at 100km BS hit it perfectly.
thus it has a very limited role it is good at.
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Pottsey
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Posted - 2006.02.27 06:54:00 -
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ôDrones won't get to you from afar.ö
From the patch sent drones will be able to shoot over 100km away.
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Wilfan Ret'nub
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Posted - 2006.02.27 08:04:00 -
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Most drone ships are close combat oriented, so they don't use sentries. Especially Thorax, which the one the OP has problems with.
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Captain Merkin
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Posted - 2006.02.27 08:13:00 -
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 Originally by: Pottsey
ôDrones won't get to you from afar.ö
From the patch sent drones will be able to shoot over 100km away.
huh?
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Pytria Le'Danness
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Posted - 2006.02.27 09:31:00 -
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Originally by: Captain Merkin
huh?
Sentry Drones
The Warden I has a 50km range and 25km falloff, and you can learn skills or fit modules that increase drone range. I'm too lazy to do the math though.
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Adril Alatar
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Posted - 2006.02.27 10:21:00 -
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Originally by: Pytria Le'Danness
Originally by: Captain Merkin
huh?
Sentry Drones
The Warden I has a 50km range and 25km falloff, and you can learn skills or fit modules that increase drone range. I'm too lazy to do the math though.
but the target must be in your own drone control range.
and i dont think a thorax will fit this mods that expands his drone control range... so a thorax has only 45km range with his sentry drones
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Recluse XXX
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Posted - 2006.02.27 10:27:00 -
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Originally by: Meryth
Range, that's supposed to be the way to use Caldari ships.
Give me a 100K scrambler pls!
Bottom line: do not fly a Moa, it sucks.
yup, and the Eagle aswell...sucks sucks sucks!
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hired goon
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Posted - 2006.02.27 10:41:00 -
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Edited by: hired goon on 27/02/2006 10:41:43
Can you not simply gank the rax, rendering his drones too depressed to continue?
Use the shield bonus, and tank those little lagmakers. Then impose rails of death right into the raxes mwd-enhanced FACE.
edit: btw Meryth we miss you on ts wtf 
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j0sephine
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Posted - 2006.02.27 10:52:00 -
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Edited by: j0sephine on 27/02/2006 10:55:45
"Can you not simply gank the rax, rendering his drones too depressed to continue?
Use the shield bonus, and tank those little lagmakers."
A single medium drone with good skills does as much damage as 250 mm rail with antimatter. So, you're effectively trying to tank 2 ships worth of damage. (because Thorax will be shooting too... and your enemy has the turret damage bonus on top of it that you don't)
If there's anyone ending up as the ganker in this kind of setup, it's unlikely to be Moa.
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Sarmaul
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Posted - 2006.02.27 10:56:00 -
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why the hell is the moa within the rax's drone range anyway?
Originally by: Zzazzt
Originally by: thoth foc
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j0sephine
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Posted - 2006.02.27 10:58:00 -
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"why the hell is the moa within the rax's drone range anyway?"
wtb: 50 km cruiser-sized warp scrambler...
and drones move faster than Moa, so you aren't going to kite the little bustards.
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Sarmaul
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Posted - 2006.02.27 11:00:00 -
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Originally by: j0sephine
"why the hell is the moa within the rax's drone range anyway?"
wtb: 50 km cruiser-sized warp scrambler...
and drones move faster than Moa, so you aren't going to kite the little bustards.
what I meant was, a sniping ship should not try and engage a close-range ship on it's own terms. You can't win every fight.
Originally by: Zzazzt
Originally by: thoth foc
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Pottsey
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Posted - 2006.02.27 11:09:00 -
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ôbut the target must be in your own drone control range.
and i dont think a thorax will fit this mods that expands his drone control range... so a thorax has only 45km range with his sentry drones ô
You can get over 45km with skills alone. I am always amazed at how many people donÆt know drones can with new skills go over 45km and there are Sentry Drones so you donÆt need to factor in long travailing time.
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j0sephine
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Posted - 2006.02.27 11:10:00 -
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Edited by: j0sephine on 27/02/2006 11:15:41
"what I meant was, a sniping ship should not try and engage a close-range ship on it's own terms. You can't win every fight."
Yes, and what i meant was, given EVE mechanics this is red herring. If you want to kill something with less than a blob, you have to engage at close range, or can forget it.
Besides, let's drop this whole "Moa is but a sniper and should be never attacking from less than 100 km" stuff? We're talking of ship that has 22 km optimal with the most common setup (largest tech.1 turret she can sport, loaded with the heaviest ammo) ... some sniper, indeed. The only reason people talk about sniping with her is, she sucks at any distance remotely closer to reasonable. It's like with Typhoon -- the ship doesn't really cut it, so you see all the weirdest ideas how to setup and utilize it just so it can be said it's useful for something. :/
(edited for wrong math)
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Valea Silpha
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Posted - 2006.02.27 11:46:00 -
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Thing is that the moa just isn't going to beat a thorax close range unless you have some crazy good set-up or the other guy has little to no skills.
At best your are going to do less damage than it with blasters and heavies (4x ions and 2x heavies vs 5x ions with added damage bonus). Sure you can tank pretty well with the resist bonus, but you need to at least scram, and ideally web and scram, so it gimps what you can mount.
Cruisers can be very versatile, but only to a certain point.
If you are looking for cruiser vs cruiser fighting in a cladari cruiser surely the caracal has to be your vehicle of choice.
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Iberi
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Posted - 2006.02.27 12:03:00 -
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Drones is the uber weapon in the game. The only uber weapon. Must be slightly nerfed or balanced.
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Gariuys
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Posted - 2006.02.27 12:14:00 -
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Originally by: j0sephine
Edited by: j0sephine on 27/02/2006 11:15:41
"what I meant was, a sniping ship should not try and engage a close-range ship on it's own terms. You can't win every fight."
Yes, and what i meant was, given EVE mechanics this is red herring. If you want to kill something with less than a blob, you have to engage at close range, or can forget it.
Besides, let's drop this whole "Moa is but a sniper and should be never attacking from less than 100 km" stuff? We're talking of ship that has 22 km optimal with the most common setup (largest tech.1 turret she can sport, loaded with the heaviest ammo) ... some sniper, indeed. The only reason people talk about sniping with her is, she sucks at any distance remotely closer to reasonable. It's like with Typhoon -- the ship doesn't really cut it, so you see all the weirdest ideas how to setup and utilize it just so it can be said it's useful for something. :/
(edited for wrong math)
And if every ship would be good at solo short range combat EVE would suck bigtime. MOA with rails won't ever hope to beat a thorax in a range where you can guarantee a kill, which in this case doesn't matter cause if the MOA is in range to scramble, it won't be killing it be dying. 
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j0sephine
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Posted - 2006.02.27 12:19:00 -
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"And if every ship would be good at solo short range combat EVE would suck bigtime. MOA with rails won't ever hope to beat a thorax in a range where you can guarantee a kill, which in this case doesn't matter cause if the MOA is in range to scramble, it won't be killing it be dying. "
Well, that's pretty much the point isn't it? Because we can't have all ships being good at close range combat, and because short range combat is needed to ensure the kill, we wind up with some ships sucking more than the others.
Is this really improvement over "sucky EVE where everyone can hold their own at short range"? I have hard time convincing myself about it, to be honest...
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Ruah Piskonit
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Posted - 2006.02.27 12:53:00 -
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The everlasting popularity of Interceptors is proof of this indeed.
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j0sephine
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Posted - 2006.02.27 13:06:00 -
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"The everlasting popularity of Interceptors is proof of this indeed."
I was thinking about mentioning these, actually ^^; this is indeed one ship class where each race has at least one ship which can operate nicely within the warp scrambling range ... and each of these ships stands fair chance against the others.
And you don't really see people complaining how interceptor combat sucks because of it... -.o
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Waragha
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Posted - 2006.02.27 14:44:00 -
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If you're going with rails you're gonna have to fly away from him.. Let him use a max amount of
cap from his mwd. This will buy you some time to kill off the drones. Put a nos on him when he gets close enough.
If you use blasters keep him in your optimal, you have longer range than him and you can basically hope to kite him for a while whilst killing his drones.
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Filan
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Posted - 2006.02.27 14:55:00 -
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Assault launchers should shread the drones shouldnt they.
or go the Caracal route, with good missle skills you will be able to start from 100km+ away. making him warp or have to close that distance. and you can AB away from him(slower then MWD but missles dont depend on cap anyway).
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Posted - 2006.02.27 15:04:00 -
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Seriously, do some of you act stupid or are you???
j0 has told you how most senarios look like when it comes to battles in Eve....
Most of them take place at gates (who DONT) spit out ships at their optimal ranges (exept for closerange ones ;) )
If I am in a Moa and see a Thorax 20K from me I know that I am dead meat, it dosent matter what kind of fitting I have...
Why you ask: You cant outrun a thorax whitout mwd, and its even harder since the Rax pilot (if he/she isnt a moron) have a web fitted.
FFS, I have taken out BS whit a Thorax...solo...and I know that many others have as well...lets just face it, the only other Crusier out there that have a chance against a Rax is the Maller....Or Sivona is his weirdass Rupture.
And as said before, you have to be close to get a kill in Eve beacuse there arnt any 100K scramblers out there.
So, once again...the Moa sucks, exept at killing t1 frigs 80K out, and to do that you have to know that the frig is actually there.
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Edited by: sausage jockey on 01/02/2006 22:02:39
We will not give up until we have penetrated the rear entrance to Stain, we hope this will hurt SA to the point they start to cry.
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MrRetard
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Posted - 2006.02.27 15:09:00 -
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Close range setup ships and deadly to long range setups. I've toasted thoraxs with moa, I've toasted a lot of ships with moa.
Key is outdamage the opposing ship, what REALLY helps if being able to use warrior IIs, 3 of them will take medium drone pretty quickly, reducing damage from the opposing ship.
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Probotector
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Posted - 2006.02.27 15:22:00 -
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Caracles own all of u!!
I would use 5x heavy launchers
1x MWD, 1x tech 2 shield booster, 1x shield amp, 2x cap boost or recharge or what ever to boost cap.
1x balistic controller 1x what ever
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Recluse XXX
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Posted - 2006.02.27 15:26:00 -
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Originally by: Probotector
Caracles own all of u!!
I would use 5x heavy launchers
1x MWD, 1x tech 2 shield booster, 1x shield amp, 2x cap boost or recharge or what ever to boost cap.
1x balistic controller 1x what ever
And no scrambler??? Have fun whit that ktnxbye!
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Edited by: sausage jockey on 01/02/2006 22:02:39
We will not give up until we have penetrated the rear entrance to Stain, we hope this will hurt SA to the point they start to cry.
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Rafein
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Posted - 2006.02.27 16:45:00 -
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Originally by: Adril Alatar
but the target must be in your own drone control range.
and i dont think a thorax will fit this mods that expands his drone control range... so a thorax has only 45km range with his sentry drones
60 KM. EW drone skill increases control range by another 3 KM per level, for 15 KM more
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