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MeBiatch
Republic University Minmatar Republic
1528
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Posted - 2013.11.29 19:14:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:http://themittani.com/
yes a news site named after the goon leader has zero slant.
tbh EN24 = fox news
The Mittani = MSNBC
if you are looking for good and current news on eve i would suggest reddit.com/r/eve
thats a good place to start... There are no stupid Questions... just stupid people... Winter Expansion new ship request |
MeBiatch
Republic University Minmatar Republic
1528
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Posted - 2013.11.29 19:17:00 -
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Benny Ohu wrote:can anyone please point to any actual examples of bias at TMC
or are we just assuming there's bias because it's named after an evil space sorcerer
context and wording...
bias is found in word selection about an event.
every news paper does it.
its like some newspapers call them freedom righters and others call them terrorists.
its the context that puts the slant on the news not the subject. There are no stupid Questions... just stupid people... Winter Expansion new ship request |
MeBiatch
Republic University Minmatar Republic
1528
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Posted - 2013.11.29 19:19:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:Azami Nevinyrall wrote: Say anything negative towards GSF in any article, even in a well constructed argument. You'll find your post not only deleted, but your ability to repost anything aswell...
Pretty damn biased...
You can say what you want as long as you don't go sperg posting.
is censorship a form of bias? There are no stupid Questions... just stupid people... Winter Expansion new ship request |
Proletariat Tingtango
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
705
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Posted - 2013.11.29 19:20:00 -
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Ursula Thrace wrote:MestariBation wrote:Are there any unbiased EVE news site? no baltec1 wrote:http://themittani.com/ this can be likened to faux news...i mean fox news.
If you had any idea what you were talking about you would know what a bullshit comparison that is. |
MeBiatch
Republic University Minmatar Republic
1528
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Posted - 2013.11.29 19:24:00 -
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Proletariat Tingtango wrote:Ursula Thrace wrote:MestariBation wrote:Are there any unbiased EVE news site? no baltec1 wrote:http://themittani.com/ this can be likened to faux news...i mean fox news. If you had any idea what you were talking about you would know what a bullshit comparison that is.
other then battle reports the bulk of the news on mittani.com is op/ed....
not sure how you can argue thats not biased. There are no stupid Questions... just stupid people... Winter Expansion new ship request |
Proletariat Tingtango
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
705
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Posted - 2013.11.29 19:48:00 -
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MeBiatch wrote:Proletariat Tingtango wrote:Ursula Thrace wrote:MestariBation wrote:Are there any unbiased EVE news site? no baltec1 wrote:http://themittani.com/ this can be likened to faux news...i mean fox news. If you had any idea what you were talking about you would know what a bullshit comparison that is. other then battle reports the bulk of the news on mittani.com is op/ed.... not sure how you can argue thats not biased.
Eve news gets reported as-is. The only remotely op-ed stuff is book/game reviews and alliance updates. If you seriously go "The Mittani sometimes posts his alliance updates to tmc, therefore it's a biased website" you're actually insane. Everything else is purely informational almost to a painful degree.
Comparing it to fox news is super disingenuous and not only delegitimizes the serious problems with biased real news reporting, you're also actually weighing Eve Online "news" as equal to real news.
Even suggesting that eve "news" can be biased or misreported in the same way that real life current events can, indicates how unbalanced some of you people really are. |
MeBiatch
Republic University Minmatar Republic
1528
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Posted - 2013.11.29 19:55:00 -
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Proletariat Tingtango wrote: Eve news gets reported as-is. The only remotely op-ed stuff is book/game reviews and alliance updates. If you seriously go "The Mittani sometimes posts his alliance updates to tmc, therefore it's a biased website" you're actually insane. Everything else is purely informational almost to a painful degree.
Comparing it to fox news is super disingenuous and not only delegitimizes the serious problems with biased real news reporting, you're also actually weighing Eve Online "news" as equal to real news.
Even suggesting that eve "news" can be biased or misreported in the same way that real life current events can, indicates how unbalanced some of you people really are.
nah en24 is fox... you guys are MSNBC.
furthermore atleast you guys note at the beggining of the articles that they are slanted.
but as i said in an earlier post that bias can be as slight as context and choosing what word to describe an event.
for the mittani.com i would think suffer from cognitive bias. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cognitive_bias
There are no stupid Questions... just stupid people... Winter Expansion new ship request |
Benny Ohu
Chaotic Tranquility Casoff
1868
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Posted - 2013.11.29 20:22:00 -
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MeBiatch wrote:Benny Ohu wrote:can anyone please point to any actual examples of bias at TMC
or are we just assuming there's bias because it's named after an evil space sorcerer context and wording... bias is found in word selection about an event. every news paper does it. its like some newspapers call them freedom righters and others call them terrorists. its the context that puts the slant on the news not the subject. so no examples |
Josef Djugashvilis
Acme Mining Corporation
1594
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Posted - 2013.11.29 20:52:00 -
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Dear Proletariat Tingtango - please stop posting, you are giving goons a bad name.
See your post, number 66, for details. This is not a signature. |
MeBiatch
Republic University Minmatar Republic
1531
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Posted - 2013.11.29 21:18:00 -
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Benny Ohu wrote:so no examples
interpret how you will...
thats is your choice and bias to do so There are no stupid Questions... just stupid people... Winter Expansion new ship request |
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M1k3y Koontz
thorn project Surely You're Joking
416
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Posted - 2013.11.30 00:27:00 -
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Pinky Hops wrote:mittani is super biased.
maybe he is "less biased than EN24" but that isn't really saying much
to cement it for OP:
there is no unbiased news source for EVE Online.
Indeed. It's like comparing MSNBC and CNN. CNN isn't as biased as MSNBC, but it's no temple of fact. How much herp could a herp derp derp if a herp derp could herp derp. |
M1k3y Koontz
thorn project Surely You're Joking
416
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Posted - 2013.11.30 00:36:00 -
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Ursula Thrace wrote:MestariBation wrote:Are there any unbiased EVE news site? no baltec1 wrote:http://themittani.com/ this can be likened to faux news...i mean fox news.
I dare say that's an insult to Fox News... How much herp could a herp derp derp if a herp derp could herp derp. |
Zifrian
Licentia Ex Vereor Black Core Alliance
1108
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Posted - 2013.11.30 00:39:00 -
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Without a profit incentive, eve news sites will only exist for reporting their own perspective either for propaganda or attention. Plus, doing real reporting is work and if you aren't getting paid...
Reporting requires sources and trust. In a game like this there are really no consequences or incentives to give multiple perspectives to even try to report objective news. Maybe if the game allowed you one and only one character, which you could never change and was connected to your DNA maybe you could get something 'real'.
I think people should just be greatful for organized story tellers of real events. True, true with spin, completely false...whatever, it's a video game. Just have fun with it. Maximze your Industry Potential! - Get EVE Isk per Hour! |
M1k3y Koontz
thorn project Surely You're Joking
416
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Posted - 2013.11.30 00:43:00 -
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Proletariat Tingtango wrote: Say anything negative towards GSF in any article, even in a well constructed argument. You'll find your post not only deleted, but your ability to repost anything aswell...
Pretty damn biased...
Happened to me
PR0JECT 2501 wrote:Pinky Hops wrote:Arduemont wrote:All data is biased, either by the reader, or by the writer. http://xkcd.com/263/a(b + c) = ab + ac Politicize that, bitches. Is this the formula for calculating future political allegiance in 1984?
2 + 2 = 5 Goddamn it! How much herp could a herp derp derp if a herp derp could herp derp. |
James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation
6513
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Posted - 2013.11.30 01:10:00 -
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Benny Ohu wrote:can anyone please point to any actual examples of bias at TMC
or are we just assuming there's bias because it's named after an evil space sorcerer I can, but it was an article written by Phreeze. EVE Online - An Unstable Game |
Ryhss
157
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Posted - 2013.11.30 03:09:00 -
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Since I can't empty quote.... I just turned into an egg, did I level up? I spent an hour trying to salvage a wreck, when in local a guy said "Stop it, this is my Tempest, I was AFK" |
James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation
6514
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Posted - 2013.11.30 04:56:00 -
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Isn't there ANYONE with internet spaceship journalistic integrity around hereGÇ+ EVE Online - An Unstable Game |
Lors Dornick
Kallisti Industries Solar Assault Fleet
772
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Posted - 2013.11.30 05:01:00 -
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Rhes wrote:Lors Dornick wrote:We've been fed so much talk (aka posturing or even RP) about how we "pubbies" are such a sad little bunch of no importance and hints about our obvious lack of insight since we are, well, "pubbies".
And now we are somehow to believe that all that stuff from before was just "posturing and RP" and not at all related to how intelligent and well behaved those "New Goons" really are. You have been sadly misinformed. No matter how successful we are att Eve pubbies are still pubbies. Indeed, and as pubbie I see no reason to support a Goonies site.
CCP Eterne: Silly player, ALL devs are evil. CCP Fozzie: When Veritas describes a programming challenge as "very hard" I tend to believe him.
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Richard Desturned
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1754
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Posted - 2013.11.30 05:06:00 -
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MeBiatch wrote:if you are looking for good and current news on eve i would suggest reddit.com/r/eve
thats a good place to start...
ahahahahaha no
try posting against the grain there and you'll come back in 10 minutes to see your post downvoted into oblivion and autohidden
oh and the moderators there are total aspies who believe themselves to be the final authority on what is "relevant" to EVE, which includes deleting posts with certain titles but, strangely enough, copy/pasting entire blog posts, devblogs and TMC articles (all of which are covered by copyright) into self-posts perfectly fine
oh well, won't be long until the subreddit is nuked by the admins for just that npc alts have no opinions worth consideration |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
5270
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Posted - 2013.11.30 05:09:00 -
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James Amril-Kesh wrote:Benny Ohu wrote:can anyone please point to any actual examples of bias at TMC
or are we just assuming there's bias because it's named after an evil space sorcerer I can, but it was an article written by Phreeze. can we get Gevlon Goblin to tell us about how third partying was the mittani's last final mistake? There are no goons. The goons' 0.0 dream is over.
"Progodlegend said the goal of N3 is to destroy Goonswarm Federation, but in reality NCdot is in Fountain due to the fact it is virtually the last place there is action." ~NC., Fountain 2013 |
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Richard Desturned
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1754
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Posted - 2013.11.30 05:14:00 -
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calling EN24 the fox news of eve is insulting to fox news; EN24 is more like the WorldNetDaily of EVE
most people who cry about TMC being "biased" are morons who are upset that a writer made a mistake in an article and misrepresented something about their lowsec/NPC null trash alliance that didn't even respond to the writer, or are upset because an op/ed published there doesn't agree with their own views on what the game should be like, or they're upset about something they read in a GSF CEO update reposted to TMC which is always preceded by text saying "this is /supposed/ to be propaganda so don't cry about it"
either way their opinions are worthless npc alts have no opinions worth consideration |
Richard Desturned
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1754
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Posted - 2013.11.30 05:18:00 -
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Jowen Datloran wrote:This is probably the closest you get. Just saying.
i'm dying to hear developments about "Clashes on Caldari Prime quelled by Mordu's Legion" and "Pirate factions express interest in Covert Research Tools" rather than articles that cover actual conflicts between actual players that affect the gameplay of thousands of actual players
because, you know, people care about game lore npc alts have no opinions worth consideration |
The Mittani
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
8138
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Posted - 2013.11.30 09:42:00 -
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I don't think 'real' objectivity is possible in any kind of human communication, given cognitive flaws and the like. One man's objective truth is another man's bias or slander, etc.
When people are confronted with facts they dislike, they find ways to reject them or dismiss them. Most of the 'real news' industry in Freedomland these days is just a function of confirmation bias - folks watch/read stuff that reinforces their preexisting notions about the world, and seems more like entertainment than reportage.
Enjoy my dumb website or don't, I don't really care to argue about 'objectivity'. Someone who wishes to attack the site isn't likely to be reading it anyway, so who cares what they think? vOv
And yeah, the TMC comments are heavily moderated. You can't type like an idiot, use racial or ethnic slurs, or attack the site itself without getting nuked. ~hi~ |
flakeys
Antwerpse Kerels Fidelas Constans
1627
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Posted - 2013.11.30 09:44:00 -
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MestariBation wrote:Are there any unbiased EVE news site?
Any news site be it about eve or rl is biased.
After all it is written by humans.
We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid.
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Tabra Penken
Nexus Incorporated
12
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Posted - 2013.11.30 10:10:00 -
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There's people who actually worry if their getting biased or unbiased news about things that take place in a video game? That's funny |
Varius Xeral
Galactic Trade Syndicate
1801
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Posted - 2013.11.30 12:18:00 -
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What the fuzzy winter gloves guy said. Official Representative of The Nullsec Zealot Cabal |
Khergit Deserters
Crom's Angels
1953
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Posted - 2013.11.30 14:46:00 -
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James Amril-Kesh wrote:Isn't there ANYONE with internet spaceship journalistic integrity around hereGÇ+
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Sentamon
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
1183
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Posted - 2013.11.30 15:51:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:http://themittani.com/
I like to check out TMC for updates on how much Star Citizen raised, and to see Martini writing articles that are nothing but adds that rehash deals I've seen in places like Slickdeals.
It used to have some nice EVE related articles when it opened, but I guess since nothing is happening in eve anymore, it's all about monetizing the Goons and pushing other games. ~ Professional Forum Alt -á~ |
baltec1
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
8900
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Posted - 2013.11.30 15:59:00 -
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Sentamon wrote:baltec1 wrote:http://themittani.com/ I like to check out TMC for updates on how much Star Citizen raised, and to see Martini writing articles that are nothing but adds that rehash deals I've seen in places like Slickdeals. It used to have some nice EVE related articles when it opened, but I guess since nothing is happening in eve anymore, it's all about monetizing the Goons and pushing other games.
12 of the last 18 articles are EVE related. Join Bat Country today and defend the Glorious Socialist Dictatorship |
MeBiatch
Republic University Minmatar Republic
1537
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Posted - 2013.11.30 16:12:00 -
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Richard Desturned wrote:MeBiatch wrote:if you are looking for good and current news on eve i would suggest reddit.com/r/eve
thats a good place to start... ahahahahaha no try posting against the grain there and you'll come back in 10 minutes to see your post downvoted into oblivion and autohidden oh and the moderators there are total aspies who believe themselves to be the final authority on what is "relevant" to EVE, which includes deleting posts with certain titles but, strangely enough, copy/pasting entire blog posts, devblogs and TMC articles (all of which are covered by copyright) into self-posts perfectly fine oh well, won't be long until the subreddit is nuked by the admins for just that
you say that because themittani.com broke the rules and got banned from the site. (upvoting scams are not allowed. i think its the only place where the goon blob got nerfed)
and by your definition the moderators at the mittani.com are also douches because they delete posts., copy and paste SOTA's, and think they are the final authority on what is "relevant" to eve. There are no stupid Questions... just stupid people... Winter Expansion new ship request |
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