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R4d1o4ct1v3
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Posted - 2006.02.27 04:00:00 -
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My question is simple. Who is leading the Stain- Alliance?
Reason I ask is, it seemes to me that SA politics have turned into a chaotic mess and I would really like to know who is responsible. ------------------- DISCLAIMER: All opinions in this post are the opinions af a week old, half eaten sandwitch and do in no way reflect the opinions of anybody within a 10km radius of the Eiffel towe |

R4d1o4ct1v3
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Posted - 2006.02.27 04:00:00 -
[2]
My question is simple. Who is leading the Stain- Alliance?
Reason I ask is, it seemes to me that SA politics have turned into a chaotic mess and I would really like to know who is responsible. ------------------- DISCLAIMER: All opinions in this post are the opinions af a week old, half eaten sandwitch and do in no way reflect the opinions of anybody within a 10km radius of the Eiffel towe |

R4d1o4ct1v3
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Posted - 2006.02.27 04:00:00 -
[3]
My question is simple. Who is leading the Stain- Alliance?
Reason I ask is, it seemes to me that SA politics have turned into a chaotic mess and I would really like to know who is responsible. ------------------- DISCLAIMER: All opinions in this post are the opinions af a week old, half eaten sandwitch and do in no way reflect the opinions of anybody within a 10km radius of the Eiffel towe |

R4d1o4ct1v3
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Posted - 2006.02.27 04:00:00 -
[4]
My question is simple. Who is leading the Stain- Alliance?
Reason I ask is, it seemes to me that SA politics have turned into a chaotic mess and I would really like to know who is responsible. ------------------- DISCLAIMER: All opinions in this post are the opinions af a week old, half eaten sandwitch and do in no way reflect the opinions of anybody within a 10km radius of the Eiffel towe |

R4d1o4ct1v3
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Posted - 2006.02.27 04:00:00 -
[5]
My question is simple. Who is leading the Stain- Alliance?
Reason I ask is, it seemes to me that SA politics have turned into a chaotic mess and I would really like to know who is responsible. ------------------- DISCLAIMER: All opinions in this post are the opinions af a week old, half eaten sandwitch and do in no way reflect the opinions of anybody within a 10km radius of the Eiffel towe |

R4d1o4ct1v3
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Posted - 2006.02.27 04:00:00 -
[6]
My question is simple. Who is leading the Stain- Alliance?
Reason I ask is, it seemes to me that SA politics have turned into a chaotic mess and I would really like to know who is responsible. ------------------- DISCLAIMER: All opinions in this post are the opinions af a week old, half eaten sandwitch and do in no way reflect the opinions of anybody within a 10km radius of the Eiffel towe |

R4d1o4ct1v3
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Posted - 2006.02.27 04:00:00 -
[7]
My question is simple. Who is leading the Stain- Alliance?
Reason I ask is, it seemes to me that SA politics have turned into a chaotic mess and I would really like to know who is responsible. ------------------- DISCLAIMER: All opinions in this post are the opinions af a week old, half eaten sandwitch and do in no way reflect the opinions of anybody within a 10km radius of the Eiffel towe |

R4d1o4ct1v3
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Posted - 2006.02.27 04:00:00 -
[8]
My question is simple. Who is leading the Stain- Alliance?
Reason I ask is, it seemes to me that SA politics have turned into a chaotic mess and I would really like to know who is responsible. ------------------- DISCLAIMER: All opinions in this post are the opinions af a week old, half eaten sandwitch and do in no way reflect the opinions of anybody within a 10km radius of the Eiffel towe |

R4d1o4ct1v3
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Posted - 2006.02.27 04:00:00 -
[9]
My question is simple. Who is leading the Stain- Alliance?
Reason I ask is, it seemes to me that SA politics have turned into a chaotic mess and I would really like to know who is responsible. ------------------- DISCLAIMER: All opinions in this post are the opinions af a week old, half eaten sandwitch and do in no way reflect the opinions of anybody within a 10km radius of the Eiffel towe |

R4d1o4ct1v3
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Posted - 2006.02.27 04:00:00 -
[10]
My question is simple. Who is leading the Stain- Alliance?
Reason I ask is, it seemes to me that SA politics have turned into a chaotic mess and I would really like to know who is responsible. ------------------- DISCLAIMER: All opinions in this post are the opinions af a week old, half eaten sandwitch and do in no way reflect the opinions of anybody within a 10km radius of the Eiffel towe |
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R4d1o4ct1v3
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Posted - 2006.02.27 04:00:00 -
[11]
My question is simple. Who is leading the Stain- Alliance?
Reason I ask is, it seemes to me that SA politics have turned into a chaotic mess and I would really like to know who is responsible. ------------------- DISCLAIMER: All opinions in this post are the opinions af a week old, half eaten sandwitch and do in no way reflect the opinions of anybody within a 10km radius of the Eiffel towe |

R4d1o4ct1v3
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Posted - 2006.02.27 04:00:00 -
[12]
My question is simple. Who is leading the Stain- Alliance?
Reason I ask is, it seemes to me that SA politics have turned into a chaotic mess and I would really like to know who is responsible. ------------------- DISCLAIMER: All opinions in this post are the opinions af a week old, half eaten sandwitch and do in no way reflect the opinions of anybody within a 10km radius of the Eiffel towe |

R4d1o4ct1v3
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Posted - 2006.02.27 04:00:00 -
[13]
My question is simple. Who is leading the Stain- Alliance?
Reason I ask is, it seemes to me that SA politics have turned into a chaotic mess and I would really like to know who is responsible. ------------------- DISCLAIMER: All opinions in this post are the opinions af a week old, half eaten sandwitch and do in no way reflect the opinions of anybody within a 10km radius of the Eiffel towe |

R4d1o4ct1v3
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Posted - 2006.02.27 04:00:00 -
[14]
My question is simple. Who is leading the Stain- Alliance?
Reason I ask is, it seemes to me that SA politics have turned into a chaotic mess and I would really like to know who is responsible. ------------------- DISCLAIMER: All opinions in this post are the opinions af a week old, half eaten sandwitch and do in no way reflect the opinions of anybody within a 10km radius of the Eiffel towe |

R4d1o4ct1v3
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Posted - 2006.02.27 04:00:00 -
[15]
My question is simple. Who is leading the Stain- Alliance?
Reason I ask is, it seemes to me that SA politics have turned into a chaotic mess and I would really like to know who is responsible. ------------------- DISCLAIMER: All opinions in this post are the opinions af a week old, half eaten sandwitch and do in no way reflect the opinions of anybody within a 10km radius of the Eiffel towe |

R4d1o4ct1v3
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Posted - 2006.02.27 04:00:00 -
[16]
My question is simple. Who is leading the Stain- Alliance?
Reason I ask is, it seemes to me that SA politics have turned into a chaotic mess and I would really like to know who is responsible. ------------------- DISCLAIMER: All opinions in this post are the opinions af a week old, half eaten sandwitch and do in no way reflect the opinions of anybody within a 10km radius of the Eiffel towe |

R4d1o4ct1v3
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Posted - 2006.02.27 04:00:00 -
[17]
My question is simple. Who is leading the Stain- Alliance?
Reason I ask is, it seemes to me that SA politics have turned into a chaotic mess and I would really like to know who is responsible. ------------------- DISCLAIMER: All opinions in this post are the opinions af a week old, half eaten sandwitch and do in no way reflect the opinions of anybody within a 10km radius of the Eiffel towe |

R4d1o4ct1v3
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Posted - 2006.02.27 04:00:00 -
[18]
My question is simple. Who is leading the Stain- Alliance?
Reason I ask is, it seemes to me that SA politics have turned into a chaotic mess and I would really like to know who is responsible. ------------------- DISCLAIMER: All opinions in this post are the opinions af a week old, half eaten sandwitch and do in no way reflect the opinions of anybody within a 10km radius of the Eiffel towe |

R4d1o4ct1v3
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Posted - 2006.02.27 04:00:00 -
[19]
My question is simple. Who is leading the Stain- Alliance?
Reason I ask is, it seemes to me that SA politics have turned into a chaotic mess and I would really like to know who is responsible. ------------------- DISCLAIMER: All opinions in this post are the opinions af a week old, half eaten sandwitch and do in no way reflect the opinions of anybody within a 10km radius of the Eiffel towe |

R4d1o4ct1v3
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Posted - 2006.02.27 04:00:00 -
[20]
My question is simple. Who is leading the Stain- Alliance?
Reason I ask is, it seemes to me that SA politics have turned into a chaotic mess and I would really like to know who is responsible. ------------------- DISCLAIMER: All opinions in this post are the opinions af a week old, half eaten sandwitch and do in no way reflect the opinions of anybody within a 10km radius of the Eiffel towe |
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R4d1o4ct1v3
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Posted - 2006.02.27 04:00:00 -
[21]
My question is simple. Who is leading the Stain- Alliance?
Reason I ask is, it seemes to me that SA politics have turned into a chaotic mess and I would really like to know who is responsible. ------------------- DISCLAIMER: All opinions in this post are the opinions af a week old, half eaten sandwitch and do in no way reflect the opinions of anybody within a 10km radius of the Eiffel towe |

Lorth
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Posted - 2006.02.27 04:02:00 -
[22]
I personally don't think that anyone is really leading that allience. While someone may hold the title of 'leader' he certainly isn't doing a good enough job to warrent that description
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Lorth
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Posted - 2006.02.27 04:02:00 -
[23]
I personally don't think that anyone is really leading that allience. While someone may hold the title of 'leader' he certainly isn't doing a good enough job to warrent that description
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Lorth
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Posted - 2006.02.27 04:02:00 -
[24]
I personally don't think that anyone is really leading that allience. While someone may hold the title of 'leader' he certainly isn't doing a good enough job to warrent that description
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Lorth
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Posted - 2006.02.27 04:02:00 -
[25]
I personally don't think that anyone is really leading that allience. While someone may hold the title of 'leader' he certainly isn't doing a good enough job to warrent that description
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Lorth
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Posted - 2006.02.27 04:02:00 -
[26]
I personally don't think that anyone is really leading that allience. While someone may hold the title of 'leader' he certainly isn't doing a good enough job to warrent that description
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Lorth
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Posted - 2006.02.27 04:02:00 -
[27]
I personally don't think that anyone is really leading that allience. While someone may hold the title of 'leader' he certainly isn't doing a good enough job to warrent that description
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Lorth
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Posted - 2006.02.27 04:02:00 -
[28]
I personally don't think that anyone is really leading that allience. While someone may hold the title of 'leader' he certainly isn't doing a good enough job to warrent that description
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Lorth
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Posted - 2006.02.27 04:02:00 -
[29]
I personally don't think that anyone is really leading that allience. While someone may hold the title of 'leader' he certainly isn't doing a good enough job to warrent that description
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Lorth
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Posted - 2006.02.27 04:02:00 -
[30]
I personally don't think that anyone is really leading that allience. While someone may hold the title of 'leader' he certainly isn't doing a good enough job to warrent that description
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Lorth
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Posted - 2006.02.27 04:02:00 -
[31]
I personally don't think that anyone is really leading that allience. While someone may hold the title of 'leader' he certainly isn't doing a good enough job to warrent that description
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Lorth
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Posted - 2006.02.27 04:02:00 -
[32]
I personally don't think that anyone is really leading that allience. While someone may hold the title of 'leader' he certainly isn't doing a good enough job to warrent that description
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Lorth
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Posted - 2006.02.27 04:02:00 -
[33]
I personally don't think that anyone is really leading that allience. While someone may hold the title of 'leader' he certainly isn't doing a good enough job to warrent that description
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Lorth
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Posted - 2006.02.27 04:02:00 -
[34]
I personally don't think that anyone is really leading that allience. While someone may hold the title of 'leader' he certainly isn't doing a good enough job to warrent that description
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Lorth
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Posted - 2006.02.27 04:02:00 -
[35]
I personally don't think that anyone is really leading that allience. While someone may hold the title of 'leader' he certainly isn't doing a good enough job to warrent that description
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Lorth
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Posted - 2006.02.27 04:02:00 -
[36]
I personally don't think that anyone is really leading that allience. While someone may hold the title of 'leader' he certainly isn't doing a good enough job to warrent that description
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Lorth
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Posted - 2006.02.27 04:02:00 -
[37]
I personally don't think that anyone is really leading that allience. While someone may hold the title of 'leader' he certainly isn't doing a good enough job to warrent that description
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Lorth
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Posted - 2006.02.27 04:02:00 -
[38]
I personally don't think that anyone is really leading that allience. While someone may hold the title of 'leader' he certainly isn't doing a good enough job to warrent that description
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Lorth
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Posted - 2006.02.27 04:02:00 -
[39]
I personally don't think that anyone is really leading that allience. While someone may hold the title of 'leader' he certainly isn't doing a good enough job to warrent that description
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Lorth
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Posted - 2006.02.27 04:02:00 -
[40]
I personally don't think that anyone is really leading that allience. While someone may hold the title of 'leader' he certainly isn't doing a good enough job to warrent that description
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Lorth
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Posted - 2006.02.27 04:02:00 -
[41]
I personally don't think that anyone is really leading that allience. While someone may hold the title of 'leader' he certainly isn't doing a good enough job to warrent that description
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Lorth
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Posted - 2006.02.27 04:02:00 -
[42]
I personally don't think that anyone is really leading that allience. While someone may hold the title of 'leader' he certainly isn't doing a good enough job to warrent that description
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USN CVN73
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Posted - 2006.02.27 04:11:00 -
[43]
Edited by: USN CVN73 on 27/02/2006 04:12:55 dear R4d1o4ct1v3,
before you go questioning the leadership of the Stain Alliance why don't you participate in some pvp. come fight be a part of the action that pertains to the interests of the Stain Alliance or fight for other entities that are fighting against the Stain Alliance. Return to the forums then post.
thank you in advance IEEX Stain Alliance USN CVN72 USN CVN73 USN CVN74 USN CVN75
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USN CVN73
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Posted - 2006.02.27 04:11:00 -
[44]
Edited by: USN CVN73 on 27/02/2006 04:12:55 dear R4d1o4ct1v3,
before you go questioning the leadership of the Stain Alliance why don't you participate in some pvp. come fight be a part of the action that pertains to the interests of the Stain Alliance or fight for other entities that are fighting against the Stain Alliance. Return to the forums then post.
thank you in advance IEEX Stain Alliance USN CVN72 USN CVN73 USN CVN74 USN CVN75
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USN CVN73
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Posted - 2006.02.27 04:11:00 -
[45]
Edited by: USN CVN73 on 27/02/2006 04:12:55 dear R4d1o4ct1v3,
before you go questioning the leadership of the Stain Alliance why don't you participate in some pvp. come fight be a part of the action that pertains to the interests of the Stain Alliance or fight for other entities that are fighting against the Stain Alliance. Return to the forums then post.
thank you in advance IEEX Stain Alliance USN CVN72 USN CVN73 USN CVN74 USN CVN75
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USN CVN73
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Posted - 2006.02.27 04:11:00 -
[46]
Edited by: USN CVN73 on 27/02/2006 04:12:55 dear R4d1o4ct1v3,
before you go questioning the leadership of the Stain Alliance why don't you participate in some pvp. come fight be a part of the action that pertains to the interests of the Stain Alliance or fight for other entities that are fighting against the Stain Alliance. Return to the forums then post.
thank you in advance IEEX Stain Alliance USN CVN72 USN CVN73 USN CVN74 USN CVN75
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USN CVN73
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Posted - 2006.02.27 04:11:00 -
[47]
Edited by: USN CVN73 on 27/02/2006 04:12:55 dear R4d1o4ct1v3,
before you go questioning the leadership of the Stain Alliance why don't you participate in some pvp. come fight be a part of the action that pertains to the interests of the Stain Alliance or fight for other entities that are fighting against the Stain Alliance. Return to the forums then post.
thank you in advance IEEX Stain Alliance USN CVN72 USN CVN73 USN CVN74 USN CVN75
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USN CVN73
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Posted - 2006.02.27 04:11:00 -
[48]
Edited by: USN CVN73 on 27/02/2006 04:12:55 dear R4d1o4ct1v3,
before you go questioning the leadership of the Stain Alliance why don't you participate in some pvp. come fight be a part of the action that pertains to the interests of the Stain Alliance or fight for other entities that are fighting against the Stain Alliance. Return to the forums then post.
thank you in advance IEEX Stain Alliance USN CVN72 USN CVN73 USN CVN74 USN CVN75
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USN CVN73
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Posted - 2006.02.27 04:11:00 -
[49]
Edited by: USN CVN73 on 27/02/2006 04:12:55 dear R4d1o4ct1v3,
before you go questioning the leadership of the Stain Alliance why don't you participate in some pvp. come fight be a part of the action that pertains to the interests of the Stain Alliance or fight for other entities that are fighting against the Stain Alliance. Return to the forums then post.
thank you in advance IEEX Stain Alliance USN CVN72 USN CVN73 USN CVN74 USN CVN75
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USN CVN73
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Posted - 2006.02.27 04:11:00 -
[50]
Edited by: USN CVN73 on 27/02/2006 04:12:55 dear R4d1o4ct1v3,
before you go questioning the leadership of the Stain Alliance why don't you participate in some pvp. come fight be a part of the action that pertains to the interests of the Stain Alliance or fight for other entities that are fighting against the Stain Alliance. Return to the forums then post.
thank you in advance IEEX Stain Alliance USN CVN72 USN CVN73 USN CVN74 USN CVN75
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USN CVN73
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Posted - 2006.02.27 04:11:00 -
[51]
Edited by: USN CVN73 on 27/02/2006 04:12:55 dear R4d1o4ct1v3,
before you go questioning the leadership of the Stain Alliance why don't you participate in some pvp. come fight be a part of the action that pertains to the interests of the Stain Alliance or fight for other entities that are fighting against the Stain Alliance. Return to the forums then post.
thank you in advance IEEX Stain Alliance USN CVN72 USN CVN73 USN CVN74 USN CVN75
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USN CVN73
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Posted - 2006.02.27 04:11:00 -
[52]
Edited by: USN CVN73 on 27/02/2006 04:12:55 dear R4d1o4ct1v3,
before you go questioning the leadership of the Stain Alliance why don't you participate in some pvp. come fight be a part of the action that pertains to the interests of the Stain Alliance or fight for other entities that are fighting against the Stain Alliance. Return to the forums then post.
thank you in advance IEEX Stain Alliance USN CVN72 USN CVN73 USN CVN74 USN CVN75
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USN CVN73
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Posted - 2006.02.27 04:11:00 -
[53]
Edited by: USN CVN73 on 27/02/2006 04:12:55 dear R4d1o4ct1v3,
before you go questioning the leadership of the Stain Alliance why don't you participate in some pvp. come fight be a part of the action that pertains to the interests of the Stain Alliance or fight for other entities that are fighting against the Stain Alliance. Return to the forums then post.
thank you in advance IEEX Stain Alliance USN CVN72 USN CVN73 USN CVN74 USN CVN75
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USN CVN73
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Posted - 2006.02.27 04:11:00 -
[54]
Edited by: USN CVN73 on 27/02/2006 04:12:55 dear R4d1o4ct1v3,
before you go questioning the leadership of the Stain Alliance why don't you participate in some pvp. come fight be a part of the action that pertains to the interests of the Stain Alliance or fight for other entities that are fighting against the Stain Alliance. Return to the forums then post.
thank you in advance IEEX Stain Alliance USN CVN72 USN CVN73 USN CVN74 USN CVN75
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USN CVN73
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Posted - 2006.02.27 04:11:00 -
[55]
Edited by: USN CVN73 on 27/02/2006 04:12:55 dear R4d1o4ct1v3,
before you go questioning the leadership of the Stain Alliance why don't you participate in some pvp. come fight be a part of the action that pertains to the interests of the Stain Alliance or fight for other entities that are fighting against the Stain Alliance. Return to the forums then post.
thank you in advance IEEX Stain Alliance USN CVN72 USN CVN73 USN CVN74 USN CVN75
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USN CVN73
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Posted - 2006.02.27 04:11:00 -
[56]
Edited by: USN CVN73 on 27/02/2006 04:12:55 dear R4d1o4ct1v3,
before you go questioning the leadership of the Stain Alliance why don't you participate in some pvp. come fight be a part of the action that pertains to the interests of the Stain Alliance or fight for other entities that are fighting against the Stain Alliance. Return to the forums then post.
thank you in advance IEEX Stain Alliance USN CVN72 USN CVN73 USN CVN74 USN CVN75
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USN CVN73
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Posted - 2006.02.27 04:11:00 -
[57]
Edited by: USN CVN73 on 27/02/2006 04:12:55 dear R4d1o4ct1v3,
before you go questioning the leadership of the Stain Alliance why don't you participate in some pvp. come fight be a part of the action that pertains to the interests of the Stain Alliance or fight for other entities that are fighting against the Stain Alliance. Return to the forums then post.
thank you in advance IEEX Stain Alliance USN CVN72 USN CVN73 USN CVN74 USN CVN75
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USN CVN73
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Posted - 2006.02.27 04:11:00 -
[58]
Edited by: USN CVN73 on 27/02/2006 04:12:55 dear R4d1o4ct1v3,
before you go questioning the leadership of the Stain Alliance why don't you participate in some pvp. come fight be a part of the action that pertains to the interests of the Stain Alliance or fight for other entities that are fighting against the Stain Alliance. Return to the forums then post.
thank you in advance IEEX Stain Alliance USN CVN72 USN CVN73 USN CVN74 USN CVN75
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USN CVN73
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Posted - 2006.02.27 04:11:00 -
[59]
Edited by: USN CVN73 on 27/02/2006 04:12:55 dear R4d1o4ct1v3,
before you go questioning the leadership of the Stain Alliance why don't you participate in some pvp. come fight be a part of the action that pertains to the interests of the Stain Alliance or fight for other entities that are fighting against the Stain Alliance. Return to the forums then post.
thank you in advance IEEX Stain Alliance USN CVN72 USN CVN73 USN CVN74 USN CVN75
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USN CVN73
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Posted - 2006.02.27 04:11:00 -
[60]
Edited by: USN CVN73 on 27/02/2006 04:12:55 dear R4d1o4ct1v3,
before you go questioning the leadership of the Stain Alliance why don't you participate in some pvp. come fight be a part of the action that pertains to the interests of the Stain Alliance or fight for other entities that are fighting against the Stain Alliance. Return to the forums then post.
thank you in advance IEEX Stain Alliance USN CVN72 USN CVN73 USN CVN74 USN CVN75
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USN CVN73
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Posted - 2006.02.27 04:11:00 -
[61]
Edited by: USN CVN73 on 27/02/2006 04:12:55 dear R4d1o4ct1v3,
before you go questioning the leadership of the Stain Alliance why don't you participate in some pvp. come fight be a part of the action that pertains to the interests of the Stain Alliance or fight for other entities that are fighting against the Stain Alliance. Return to the forums then post.
thank you in advance IEEX Stain Alliance USN CVN72 USN CVN73 USN CVN74 USN CVN75
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USN CVN73
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Posted - 2006.02.27 04:11:00 -
[62]
Edited by: USN CVN73 on 27/02/2006 04:12:55 dear R4d1o4ct1v3,
before you go questioning the leadership of the Stain Alliance why don't you participate in some pvp. come fight be a part of the action that pertains to the interests of the Stain Alliance or fight for other entities that are fighting against the Stain Alliance. Return to the forums then post.
thank you in advance IEEX Stain Alliance USN CVN72 USN CVN73 USN CVN74 USN CVN75
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R4d1o4ct1v3
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Posted - 2006.02.27 04:20:00 -
[63]
Originally by: USN CVN73 dear R4d1o4ct1v3,
before you go questioning the leadership of the Stain Alliance why don't you participate in some pvp. come fight be a part of the action that pertains to the interests of the Stain Alliance and other entities that are fighting against Stain. Return to the forums then post.
thank you in advance IEEX Stain Alliance USN CVN72 USN CVN73 USN CVN74 USN CVN75
Rest asured that I have participated in my fair share of PvP, mostly for the Stain Alliance or in the neighborhood.
That said I dont see how that is relevent to my question. ------------------- DISCLAIMER: All opinions in this post are the opinions af a week old, half eaten sandwitch and do in no way reflect the opinions of anybody within a 10km radius of the Eiffel towe |

R4d1o4ct1v3
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Posted - 2006.02.27 04:20:00 -
[64]
Originally by: USN CVN73 dear R4d1o4ct1v3,
before you go questioning the leadership of the Stain Alliance why don't you participate in some pvp. come fight be a part of the action that pertains to the interests of the Stain Alliance and other entities that are fighting against Stain. Return to the forums then post.
thank you in advance IEEX Stain Alliance USN CVN72 USN CVN73 USN CVN74 USN CVN75
Rest asured that I have participated in my fair share of PvP, mostly for the Stain Alliance or in the neighborhood.
That said I dont see how that is relevent to my question. ------------------- DISCLAIMER: All opinions in this post are the opinions af a week old, half eaten sandwitch and do in no way reflect the opinions of anybody within a 10km radius of the Eiffel towe |

R4d1o4ct1v3
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Posted - 2006.02.27 04:20:00 -
[65]
Originally by: USN CVN73 dear R4d1o4ct1v3,
before you go questioning the leadership of the Stain Alliance why don't you participate in some pvp. come fight be a part of the action that pertains to the interests of the Stain Alliance and other entities that are fighting against Stain. Return to the forums then post.
thank you in advance IEEX Stain Alliance USN CVN72 USN CVN73 USN CVN74 USN CVN75
Rest asured that I have participated in my fair share of PvP, mostly for the Stain Alliance or in the neighborhood.
That said I dont see how that is relevent to my question. ------------------- DISCLAIMER: All opinions in this post are the opinions af a week old, half eaten sandwitch and do in no way reflect the opinions of anybody within a 10km radius of the Eiffel towe |

R4d1o4ct1v3
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Posted - 2006.02.27 04:20:00 -
[66]
Originally by: USN CVN73 dear R4d1o4ct1v3,
before you go questioning the leadership of the Stain Alliance why don't you participate in some pvp. come fight be a part of the action that pertains to the interests of the Stain Alliance and other entities that are fighting against Stain. Return to the forums then post.
thank you in advance IEEX Stain Alliance USN CVN72 USN CVN73 USN CVN74 USN CVN75
Rest asured that I have participated in my fair share of PvP, mostly for the Stain Alliance or in the neighborhood.
That said I dont see how that is relevent to my question. ------------------- DISCLAIMER: All opinions in this post are the opinions af a week old, half eaten sandwitch and do in no way reflect the opinions of anybody within a 10km radius of the Eiffel towe |

R4d1o4ct1v3
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Posted - 2006.02.27 04:20:00 -
[67]
Originally by: USN CVN73 dear R4d1o4ct1v3,
before you go questioning the leadership of the Stain Alliance why don't you participate in some pvp. come fight be a part of the action that pertains to the interests of the Stain Alliance and other entities that are fighting against Stain. Return to the forums then post.
thank you in advance IEEX Stain Alliance USN CVN72 USN CVN73 USN CVN74 USN CVN75
Rest asured that I have participated in my fair share of PvP, mostly for the Stain Alliance or in the neighborhood.
That said I dont see how that is relevent to my question. ------------------- DISCLAIMER: All opinions in this post are the opinions af a week old, half eaten sandwitch and do in no way reflect the opinions of anybody within a 10km radius of the Eiffel towe |

R4d1o4ct1v3
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Posted - 2006.02.27 04:20:00 -
[68]
Originally by: USN CVN73 dear R4d1o4ct1v3,
before you go questioning the leadership of the Stain Alliance why don't you participate in some pvp. come fight be a part of the action that pertains to the interests of the Stain Alliance and other entities that are fighting against Stain. Return to the forums then post.
thank you in advance IEEX Stain Alliance USN CVN72 USN CVN73 USN CVN74 USN CVN75
Rest asured that I have participated in my fair share of PvP, mostly for the Stain Alliance or in the neighborhood.
That said I dont see how that is relevent to my question. ------------------- DISCLAIMER: All opinions in this post are the opinions af a week old, half eaten sandwitch and do in no way reflect the opinions of anybody within a 10km radius of the Eiffel towe |

R4d1o4ct1v3
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Posted - 2006.02.27 04:20:00 -
[69]
Originally by: USN CVN73 dear R4d1o4ct1v3,
before you go questioning the leadership of the Stain Alliance why don't you participate in some pvp. come fight be a part of the action that pertains to the interests of the Stain Alliance and other entities that are fighting against Stain. Return to the forums then post.
thank you in advance IEEX Stain Alliance USN CVN72 USN CVN73 USN CVN74 USN CVN75
Rest asured that I have participated in my fair share of PvP, mostly for the Stain Alliance or in the neighborhood.
That said I dont see how that is relevent to my question. ------------------- DISCLAIMER: All opinions in this post are the opinions af a week old, half eaten sandwitch and do in no way reflect the opinions of anybody within a 10km radius of the Eiffel towe |

R4d1o4ct1v3
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Posted - 2006.02.27 04:20:00 -
[70]
Originally by: USN CVN73 dear R4d1o4ct1v3,
before you go questioning the leadership of the Stain Alliance why don't you participate in some pvp. come fight be a part of the action that pertains to the interests of the Stain Alliance and other entities that are fighting against Stain. Return to the forums then post.
thank you in advance IEEX Stain Alliance USN CVN72 USN CVN73 USN CVN74 USN CVN75
Rest asured that I have participated in my fair share of PvP, mostly for the Stain Alliance or in the neighborhood.
That said I dont see how that is relevent to my question. ------------------- DISCLAIMER: All opinions in this post are the opinions af a week old, half eaten sandwitch and do in no way reflect the opinions of anybody within a 10km radius of the Eiffel towe |
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R4d1o4ct1v3
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Posted - 2006.02.27 04:20:00 -
[71]
Originally by: USN CVN73 dear R4d1o4ct1v3,
before you go questioning the leadership of the Stain Alliance why don't you participate in some pvp. come fight be a part of the action that pertains to the interests of the Stain Alliance and other entities that are fighting against Stain. Return to the forums then post.
thank you in advance IEEX Stain Alliance USN CVN72 USN CVN73 USN CVN74 USN CVN75
Rest asured that I have participated in my fair share of PvP, mostly for the Stain Alliance or in the neighborhood.
That said I dont see how that is relevent to my question. ------------------- DISCLAIMER: All opinions in this post are the opinions af a week old, half eaten sandwitch and do in no way reflect the opinions of anybody within a 10km radius of the Eiffel towe |

R4d1o4ct1v3
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Posted - 2006.02.27 04:20:00 -
[72]
Originally by: USN CVN73 dear R4d1o4ct1v3,
before you go questioning the leadership of the Stain Alliance why don't you participate in some pvp. come fight be a part of the action that pertains to the interests of the Stain Alliance and other entities that are fighting against Stain. Return to the forums then post.
thank you in advance IEEX Stain Alliance USN CVN72 USN CVN73 USN CVN74 USN CVN75
Rest asured that I have participated in my fair share of PvP, mostly for the Stain Alliance or in the neighborhood.
That said I dont see how that is relevent to my question. ------------------- DISCLAIMER: All opinions in this post are the opinions af a week old, half eaten sandwitch and do in no way reflect the opinions of anybody within a 10km radius of the Eiffel towe |

R4d1o4ct1v3
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Posted - 2006.02.27 04:20:00 -
[73]
Originally by: USN CVN73 dear R4d1o4ct1v3,
before you go questioning the leadership of the Stain Alliance why don't you participate in some pvp. come fight be a part of the action that pertains to the interests of the Stain Alliance and other entities that are fighting against Stain. Return to the forums then post.
thank you in advance IEEX Stain Alliance USN CVN72 USN CVN73 USN CVN74 USN CVN75
Rest asured that I have participated in my fair share of PvP, mostly for the Stain Alliance or in the neighborhood.
That said I dont see how that is relevent to my question. ------------------- DISCLAIMER: All opinions in this post are the opinions af a week old, half eaten sandwitch and do in no way reflect the opinions of anybody within a 10km radius of the Eiffel towe |

R4d1o4ct1v3
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Posted - 2006.02.27 04:20:00 -
[74]
Originally by: USN CVN73 dear R4d1o4ct1v3,
before you go questioning the leadership of the Stain Alliance why don't you participate in some pvp. come fight be a part of the action that pertains to the interests of the Stain Alliance and other entities that are fighting against Stain. Return to the forums then post.
thank you in advance IEEX Stain Alliance USN CVN72 USN CVN73 USN CVN74 USN CVN75
Rest asured that I have participated in my fair share of PvP, mostly for the Stain Alliance or in the neighborhood.
That said I dont see how that is relevent to my question. ------------------- DISCLAIMER: All opinions in this post are the opinions af a week old, half eaten sandwitch and do in no way reflect the opinions of anybody within a 10km radius of the Eiffel towe |

R4d1o4ct1v3
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Posted - 2006.02.27 04:20:00 -
[75]
Originally by: USN CVN73 dear R4d1o4ct1v3,
before you go questioning the leadership of the Stain Alliance why don't you participate in some pvp. come fight be a part of the action that pertains to the interests of the Stain Alliance and other entities that are fighting against Stain. Return to the forums then post.
thank you in advance IEEX Stain Alliance USN CVN72 USN CVN73 USN CVN74 USN CVN75
Rest asured that I have participated in my fair share of PvP, mostly for the Stain Alliance or in the neighborhood.
That said I dont see how that is relevent to my question. ------------------- DISCLAIMER: All opinions in this post are the opinions af a week old, half eaten sandwitch and do in no way reflect the opinions of anybody within a 10km radius of the Eiffel towe |

R4d1o4ct1v3
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Posted - 2006.02.27 04:20:00 -
[76]
Originally by: USN CVN73 dear R4d1o4ct1v3,
before you go questioning the leadership of the Stain Alliance why don't you participate in some pvp. come fight be a part of the action that pertains to the interests of the Stain Alliance and other entities that are fighting against Stain. Return to the forums then post.
thank you in advance IEEX Stain Alliance USN CVN72 USN CVN73 USN CVN74 USN CVN75
Rest asured that I have participated in my fair share of PvP, mostly for the Stain Alliance or in the neighborhood.
That said I dont see how that is relevent to my question. ------------------- DISCLAIMER: All opinions in this post are the opinions af a week old, half eaten sandwitch and do in no way reflect the opinions of anybody within a 10km radius of the Eiffel towe |

R4d1o4ct1v3
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Posted - 2006.02.27 04:20:00 -
[77]
Originally by: USN CVN73 dear R4d1o4ct1v3,
before you go questioning the leadership of the Stain Alliance why don't you participate in some pvp. come fight be a part of the action that pertains to the interests of the Stain Alliance and other entities that are fighting against Stain. Return to the forums then post.
thank you in advance IEEX Stain Alliance USN CVN72 USN CVN73 USN CVN74 USN CVN75
Rest asured that I have participated in my fair share of PvP, mostly for the Stain Alliance or in the neighborhood.
That said I dont see how that is relevent to my question. ------------------- DISCLAIMER: All opinions in this post are the opinions af a week old, half eaten sandwitch and do in no way reflect the opinions of anybody within a 10km radius of the Eiffel towe |

R4d1o4ct1v3
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Posted - 2006.02.27 04:20:00 -
[78]
Originally by: USN CVN73 dear R4d1o4ct1v3,
before you go questioning the leadership of the Stain Alliance why don't you participate in some pvp. come fight be a part of the action that pertains to the interests of the Stain Alliance and other entities that are fighting against Stain. Return to the forums then post.
thank you in advance IEEX Stain Alliance USN CVN72 USN CVN73 USN CVN74 USN CVN75
Rest asured that I have participated in my fair share of PvP, mostly for the Stain Alliance or in the neighborhood.
That said I dont see how that is relevent to my question. ------------------- DISCLAIMER: All opinions in this post are the opinions af a week old, half eaten sandwitch and do in no way reflect the opinions of anybody within a 10km radius of the Eiffel towe |

R4d1o4ct1v3
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Posted - 2006.02.27 04:20:00 -
[79]
Originally by: USN CVN73 dear R4d1o4ct1v3,
before you go questioning the leadership of the Stain Alliance why don't you participate in some pvp. come fight be a part of the action that pertains to the interests of the Stain Alliance and other entities that are fighting against Stain. Return to the forums then post.
thank you in advance IEEX Stain Alliance USN CVN72 USN CVN73 USN CVN74 USN CVN75
Rest asured that I have participated in my fair share of PvP, mostly for the Stain Alliance or in the neighborhood.
That said I dont see how that is relevent to my question. ------------------- DISCLAIMER: All opinions in this post are the opinions af a week old, half eaten sandwitch and do in no way reflect the opinions of anybody within a 10km radius of the Eiffel towe |

R4d1o4ct1v3
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Posted - 2006.02.27 04:20:00 -
[80]
Originally by: USN CVN73 dear R4d1o4ct1v3,
before you go questioning the leadership of the Stain Alliance why don't you participate in some pvp. come fight be a part of the action that pertains to the interests of the Stain Alliance and other entities that are fighting against Stain. Return to the forums then post.
thank you in advance IEEX Stain Alliance USN CVN72 USN CVN73 USN CVN74 USN CVN75
Rest asured that I have participated in my fair share of PvP, mostly for the Stain Alliance or in the neighborhood.
That said I dont see how that is relevent to my question. ------------------- DISCLAIMER: All opinions in this post are the opinions af a week old, half eaten sandwitch and do in no way reflect the opinions of anybody within a 10km radius of the Eiffel towe |
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R4d1o4ct1v3
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Posted - 2006.02.27 04:20:00 -
[81]
Originally by: USN CVN73 dear R4d1o4ct1v3,
before you go questioning the leadership of the Stain Alliance why don't you participate in some pvp. come fight be a part of the action that pertains to the interests of the Stain Alliance and other entities that are fighting against Stain. Return to the forums then post.
thank you in advance IEEX Stain Alliance USN CVN72 USN CVN73 USN CVN74 USN CVN75
Rest asured that I have participated in my fair share of PvP, mostly for the Stain Alliance or in the neighborhood.
That said I dont see how that is relevent to my question. ------------------- DISCLAIMER: All opinions in this post are the opinions af a week old, half eaten sandwitch and do in no way reflect the opinions of anybody within a 10km radius of the Eiffel towe |

USN CVN73
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Posted - 2006.02.27 04:22:00 -
[82]
its very Relevant.... if u have participated u would know exactly the answer to your own question...
Thank You in Advance, IEEX USN CVN72
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USN CVN73
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Posted - 2006.02.27 04:22:00 -
[83]
its very Relevant.... if u have participated u would know exactly the answer to your own question...
Thank You in Advance, IEEX USN CVN72
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USN CVN73
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Posted - 2006.02.27 04:22:00 -
[84]
its very Relevant.... if u have participated u would know exactly the answer to your own question...
Thank You in Advance, IEEX USN CVN72
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USN CVN73
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Posted - 2006.02.27 04:22:00 -
[85]
its very Relevant.... if u have participated u would know exactly the answer to your own question...
Thank You in Advance, IEEX USN CVN72
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USN CVN73
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Posted - 2006.02.27 04:22:00 -
[86]
its very Relevant.... if u have participated u would know exactly the answer to your own question...
Thank You in Advance, IEEX USN CVN72
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USN CVN73
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Posted - 2006.02.27 04:22:00 -
[87]
its very Relevant.... if u have participated u would know exactly the answer to your own question...
Thank You in Advance, IEEX USN CVN72
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USN CVN73
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Posted - 2006.02.27 04:22:00 -
[88]
its very Relevant.... if u have participated u would know exactly the answer to your own question...
Thank You in Advance, IEEX USN CVN72
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USN CVN73
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Posted - 2006.02.27 04:22:00 -
[89]
its very Relevant.... if u have participated u would know exactly the answer to your own question...
Thank You in Advance, IEEX USN CVN72
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USN CVN73
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Posted - 2006.02.27 04:22:00 -
[90]
its very Relevant.... if u have participated u would know exactly the answer to your own question...
Thank You in Advance, IEEX USN CVN72
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USN CVN73
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Posted - 2006.02.27 04:22:00 -
[91]
its very Relevant.... if u have participated u would know exactly the answer to your own question...
Thank You in Advance, IEEX USN CVN72
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USN CVN73
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Posted - 2006.02.27 04:22:00 -
[92]
its very Relevant.... if u have participated u would know exactly the answer to your own question...
Thank You in Advance, IEEX USN CVN72
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USN CVN73
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Posted - 2006.02.27 04:22:00 -
[93]
its very Relevant.... if u have participated u would know exactly the answer to your own question...
Thank You in Advance, IEEX USN CVN72
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USN CVN73
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Posted - 2006.02.27 04:22:00 -
[94]
its very Relevant.... if u have participated u would know exactly the answer to your own question...
Thank You in Advance, IEEX USN CVN72
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USN CVN73
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Posted - 2006.02.27 04:22:00 -
[95]
its very Relevant.... if u have participated u would know exactly the answer to your own question...
Thank You in Advance, IEEX USN CVN72
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USN CVN73
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Posted - 2006.02.27 04:22:00 -
[96]
its very Relevant.... if u have participated u would know exactly the answer to your own question...
Thank You in Advance, IEEX USN CVN72
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USN CVN73
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Posted - 2006.02.27 04:22:00 -
[97]
its very Relevant.... if u have participated u would know exactly the answer to your own question...
Thank You in Advance, IEEX USN CVN72
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USN CVN73
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Posted - 2006.02.27 04:22:00 -
[98]
its very Relevant.... if u have participated u would know exactly the answer to your own question...
Thank You in Advance, IEEX USN CVN72
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USN CVN73
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Posted - 2006.02.27 04:22:00 -
[99]
its very Relevant.... if u have participated u would know exactly the answer to your own question...
Thank You in Advance, IEEX USN CVN72
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USN CVN73
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Posted - 2006.02.27 04:22:00 -
[100]
its very Relevant.... if u have participated u would know exactly the answer to your own question...
Thank You in Advance, IEEX USN CVN72
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R4d1o4ct1v3
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Posted - 2006.02.27 04:27:00 -
[101]
If I was in the possition to find out myself I would do so, not be posting on these here forums. As it is, I am not. And therefore, I post. ------------------- DISCLAIMER: All opinions in this post are the opinions af a week old, half eaten sandwitch and do in no way reflect the opinions of anybody within a 10km radius of the Eiffel towe |

R4d1o4ct1v3
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Posted - 2006.02.27 04:27:00 -
[102]
If I was in the possition to find out myself I would do so, not be posting on these here forums. As it is, I am not. And therefore, I post. ------------------- DISCLAIMER: All opinions in this post are the opinions af a week old, half eaten sandwitch and do in no way reflect the opinions of anybody within a 10km radius of the Eiffel towe |

R4d1o4ct1v3
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Posted - 2006.02.27 04:27:00 -
[103]
If I was in the possition to find out myself I would do so, not be posting on these here forums. As it is, I am not. And therefore, I post. ------------------- DISCLAIMER: All opinions in this post are the opinions af a week old, half eaten sandwitch and do in no way reflect the opinions of anybody within a 10km radius of the Eiffel towe |

R4d1o4ct1v3
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Posted - 2006.02.27 04:27:00 -
[104]
If I was in the possition to find out myself I would do so, not be posting on these here forums. As it is, I am not. And therefore, I post. ------------------- DISCLAIMER: All opinions in this post are the opinions af a week old, half eaten sandwitch and do in no way reflect the opinions of anybody within a 10km radius of the Eiffel towe |

R4d1o4ct1v3
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Posted - 2006.02.27 04:27:00 -
[105]
If I was in the possition to find out myself I would do so, not be posting on these here forums. As it is, I am not. And therefore, I post. ------------------- DISCLAIMER: All opinions in this post are the opinions af a week old, half eaten sandwitch and do in no way reflect the opinions of anybody within a 10km radius of the Eiffel towe |

R4d1o4ct1v3
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Posted - 2006.02.27 04:27:00 -
[106]
If I was in the possition to find out myself I would do so, not be posting on these here forums. As it is, I am not. And therefore, I post. ------------------- DISCLAIMER: All opinions in this post are the opinions af a week old, half eaten sandwitch and do in no way reflect the opinions of anybody within a 10km radius of the Eiffel towe |

R4d1o4ct1v3
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Posted - 2006.02.27 04:27:00 -
[107]
If I was in the possition to find out myself I would do so, not be posting on these here forums. As it is, I am not. And therefore, I post. ------------------- DISCLAIMER: All opinions in this post are the opinions af a week old, half eaten sandwitch and do in no way reflect the opinions of anybody within a 10km radius of the Eiffel towe |

R4d1o4ct1v3
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Posted - 2006.02.27 04:27:00 -
[108]
If I was in the possition to find out myself I would do so, not be posting on these here forums. As it is, I am not. And therefore, I post. ------------------- DISCLAIMER: All opinions in this post are the opinions af a week old, half eaten sandwitch and do in no way reflect the opinions of anybody within a 10km radius of the Eiffel towe |

R4d1o4ct1v3
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Posted - 2006.02.27 04:27:00 -
[109]
If I was in the possition to find out myself I would do so, not be posting on these here forums. As it is, I am not. And therefore, I post. ------------------- DISCLAIMER: All opinions in this post are the opinions af a week old, half eaten sandwitch and do in no way reflect the opinions of anybody within a 10km radius of the Eiffel towe |

R4d1o4ct1v3
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Posted - 2006.02.27 04:27:00 -
[110]
If I was in the possition to find out myself I would do so, not be posting on these here forums. As it is, I am not. And therefore, I post. ------------------- DISCLAIMER: All opinions in this post are the opinions af a week old, half eaten sandwitch and do in no way reflect the opinions of anybody within a 10km radius of the Eiffel towe |
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R4d1o4ct1v3
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Posted - 2006.02.27 04:27:00 -
[111]
If I was in the possition to find out myself I would do so, not be posting on these here forums. As it is, I am not. And therefore, I post. ------------------- DISCLAIMER: All opinions in this post are the opinions af a week old, half eaten sandwitch and do in no way reflect the opinions of anybody within a 10km radius of the Eiffel towe |

R4d1o4ct1v3
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Posted - 2006.02.27 04:27:00 -
[112]
If I was in the possition to find out myself I would do so, not be posting on these here forums. As it is, I am not. And therefore, I post. ------------------- DISCLAIMER: All opinions in this post are the opinions af a week old, half eaten sandwitch and do in no way reflect the opinions of anybody within a 10km radius of the Eiffel towe |

R4d1o4ct1v3
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Posted - 2006.02.27 04:27:00 -
[113]
If I was in the possition to find out myself I would do so, not be posting on these here forums. As it is, I am not. And therefore, I post. ------------------- DISCLAIMER: All opinions in this post are the opinions af a week old, half eaten sandwitch and do in no way reflect the opinions of anybody within a 10km radius of the Eiffel towe |

R4d1o4ct1v3
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Posted - 2006.02.27 04:27:00 -
[114]
If I was in the possition to find out myself I would do so, not be posting on these here forums. As it is, I am not. And therefore, I post. ------------------- DISCLAIMER: All opinions in this post are the opinions af a week old, half eaten sandwitch and do in no way reflect the opinions of anybody within a 10km radius of the Eiffel towe |

R4d1o4ct1v3
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Posted - 2006.02.27 04:27:00 -
[115]
If I was in the possition to find out myself I would do so, not be posting on these here forums. As it is, I am not. And therefore, I post. ------------------- DISCLAIMER: All opinions in this post are the opinions af a week old, half eaten sandwitch and do in no way reflect the opinions of anybody within a 10km radius of the Eiffel towe |

R4d1o4ct1v3
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Posted - 2006.02.27 04:27:00 -
[116]
If I was in the possition to find out myself I would do so, not be posting on these here forums. As it is, I am not. And therefore, I post. ------------------- DISCLAIMER: All opinions in this post are the opinions af a week old, half eaten sandwitch and do in no way reflect the opinions of anybody within a 10km radius of the Eiffel towe |

R4d1o4ct1v3
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Posted - 2006.02.27 04:27:00 -
[117]
If I was in the possition to find out myself I would do so, not be posting on these here forums. As it is, I am not. And therefore, I post. ------------------- DISCLAIMER: All opinions in this post are the opinions af a week old, half eaten sandwitch and do in no way reflect the opinions of anybody within a 10km radius of the Eiffel towe |

R4d1o4ct1v3
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Posted - 2006.02.27 04:27:00 -
[118]
If I was in the possition to find out myself I would do so, not be posting on these here forums. As it is, I am not. And therefore, I post. ------------------- DISCLAIMER: All opinions in this post are the opinions af a week old, half eaten sandwitch and do in no way reflect the opinions of anybody within a 10km radius of the Eiffel towe |

R4d1o4ct1v3
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Posted - 2006.02.27 04:27:00 -
[119]
If I was in the possition to find out myself I would do so, not be posting on these here forums. As it is, I am not. And therefore, I post. ------------------- DISCLAIMER: All opinions in this post are the opinions af a week old, half eaten sandwitch and do in no way reflect the opinions of anybody within a 10km radius of the Eiffel towe |

shivan
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Posted - 2006.02.27 04:40:00 -
[120]
The reason the leadership of SA is all shot to hell atm is that we recently replaced all the CEO's brains (mine inculded) with the spare hamsters after CCP changed server, there was a mistake in the installion process and some wires where all inserted incorrectly and now all we want is our lettice. The problem being that the only souce of the lettice is for sale in Delve by the Blood Raiders so we have to kill BoB and control their region so we can be fed. That also means we have to kill FIX so we can be fed.
I hope that answers your question suffectly, yours Shivan CEO Novus
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shivan
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Posted - 2006.02.27 04:40:00 -
[121]
The reason the leadership of SA is all shot to hell atm is that we recently replaced all the CEO's brains (mine inculded) with the spare hamsters after CCP changed server, there was a mistake in the installion process and some wires where all inserted incorrectly and now all we want is our lettice. The problem being that the only souce of the lettice is for sale in Delve by the Blood Raiders so we have to kill BoB and control their region so we can be fed. That also means we have to kill FIX so we can be fed.
I hope that answers your question suffectly, yours Shivan CEO Novus
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shivan
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Posted - 2006.02.27 04:40:00 -
[122]
The reason the leadership of SA is all shot to hell atm is that we recently replaced all the CEO's brains (mine inculded) with the spare hamsters after CCP changed server, there was a mistake in the installion process and some wires where all inserted incorrectly and now all we want is our lettice. The problem being that the only souce of the lettice is for sale in Delve by the Blood Raiders so we have to kill BoB and control their region so we can be fed. That also means we have to kill FIX so we can be fed.
I hope that answers your question suffectly, yours Shivan CEO Novus
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shivan
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Posted - 2006.02.27 04:40:00 -
[123]
The reason the leadership of SA is all shot to hell atm is that we recently replaced all the CEO's brains (mine inculded) with the spare hamsters after CCP changed server, there was a mistake in the installion process and some wires where all inserted incorrectly and now all we want is our lettice. The problem being that the only souce of the lettice is for sale in Delve by the Blood Raiders so we have to kill BoB and control their region so we can be fed. That also means we have to kill FIX so we can be fed.
I hope that answers your question suffectly, yours Shivan CEO Novus
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shivan
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Posted - 2006.02.27 04:40:00 -
[124]
The reason the leadership of SA is all shot to hell atm is that we recently replaced all the CEO's brains (mine inculded) with the spare hamsters after CCP changed server, there was a mistake in the installion process and some wires where all inserted incorrectly and now all we want is our lettice. The problem being that the only souce of the lettice is for sale in Delve by the Blood Raiders so we have to kill BoB and control their region so we can be fed. That also means we have to kill FIX so we can be fed.
I hope that answers your question suffectly, yours Shivan CEO Novus
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shivan
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Posted - 2006.02.27 04:40:00 -
[125]
The reason the leadership of SA is all shot to hell atm is that we recently replaced all the CEO's brains (mine inculded) with the spare hamsters after CCP changed server, there was a mistake in the installion process and some wires where all inserted incorrectly and now all we want is our lettice. The problem being that the only souce of the lettice is for sale in Delve by the Blood Raiders so we have to kill BoB and control their region so we can be fed. That also means we have to kill FIX so we can be fed.
I hope that answers your question suffectly, yours Shivan CEO Novus
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shivan
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Posted - 2006.02.27 04:40:00 -
[126]
The reason the leadership of SA is all shot to hell atm is that we recently replaced all the CEO's brains (mine inculded) with the spare hamsters after CCP changed server, there was a mistake in the installion process and some wires where all inserted incorrectly and now all we want is our lettice. The problem being that the only souce of the lettice is for sale in Delve by the Blood Raiders so we have to kill BoB and control their region so we can be fed. That also means we have to kill FIX so we can be fed.
I hope that answers your question suffectly, yours Shivan CEO Novus
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shivan
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Posted - 2006.02.27 04:40:00 -
[127]
The reason the leadership of SA is all shot to hell atm is that we recently replaced all the CEO's brains (mine inculded) with the spare hamsters after CCP changed server, there was a mistake in the installion process and some wires where all inserted incorrectly and now all we want is our lettice. The problem being that the only souce of the lettice is for sale in Delve by the Blood Raiders so we have to kill BoB and control their region so we can be fed. That also means we have to kill FIX so we can be fed.
I hope that answers your question suffectly, yours Shivan CEO Novus
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shivan
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Posted - 2006.02.27 04:40:00 -
[128]
The reason the leadership of SA is all shot to hell atm is that we recently replaced all the CEO's brains (mine inculded) with the spare hamsters after CCP changed server, there was a mistake in the installion process and some wires where all inserted incorrectly and now all we want is our lettice. The problem being that the only souce of the lettice is for sale in Delve by the Blood Raiders so we have to kill BoB and control their region so we can be fed. That also means we have to kill FIX so we can be fed.
I hope that answers your question suffectly, yours Shivan CEO Novus
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shivan
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Posted - 2006.02.27 04:40:00 -
[129]
The reason the leadership of SA is all shot to hell atm is that we recently replaced all the CEO's brains (mine inculded) with the spare hamsters after CCP changed server, there was a mistake in the installion process and some wires where all inserted incorrectly and now all we want is our lettice. The problem being that the only souce of the lettice is for sale in Delve by the Blood Raiders so we have to kill BoB and control their region so we can be fed. That also means we have to kill FIX so we can be fed.
I hope that answers your question suffectly, yours Shivan CEO Novus
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shivan
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Posted - 2006.02.27 04:40:00 -
[130]
The reason the leadership of SA is all shot to hell atm is that we recently replaced all the CEO's brains (mine inculded) with the spare hamsters after CCP changed server, there was a mistake in the installion process and some wires where all inserted incorrectly and now all we want is our lettice. The problem being that the only souce of the lettice is for sale in Delve by the Blood Raiders so we have to kill BoB and control their region so we can be fed. That also means we have to kill FIX so we can be fed.
I hope that answers your question suffectly, yours Shivan CEO Novus
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shivan
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Posted - 2006.02.27 04:40:00 -
[131]
The reason the leadership of SA is all shot to hell atm is that we recently replaced all the CEO's brains (mine inculded) with the spare hamsters after CCP changed server, there was a mistake in the installion process and some wires where all inserted incorrectly and now all we want is our lettice. The problem being that the only souce of the lettice is for sale in Delve by the Blood Raiders so we have to kill BoB and control their region so we can be fed. That also means we have to kill FIX so we can be fed.
I hope that answers your question suffectly, yours Shivan CEO Novus
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shivan
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Posted - 2006.02.27 04:40:00 -
[132]
The reason the leadership of SA is all shot to hell atm is that we recently replaced all the CEO's brains (mine inculded) with the spare hamsters after CCP changed server, there was a mistake in the installion process and some wires where all inserted incorrectly and now all we want is our lettice. The problem being that the only souce of the lettice is for sale in Delve by the Blood Raiders so we have to kill BoB and control their region so we can be fed. That also means we have to kill FIX so we can be fed.
I hope that answers your question suffectly, yours Shivan CEO Novus
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shivan
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Posted - 2006.02.27 04:40:00 -
[133]
The reason the leadership of SA is all shot to hell atm is that we recently replaced all the CEO's brains (mine inculded) with the spare hamsters after CCP changed server, there was a mistake in the installion process and some wires where all inserted incorrectly and now all we want is our lettice. The problem being that the only souce of the lettice is for sale in Delve by the Blood Raiders so we have to kill BoB and control their region so we can be fed. That also means we have to kill FIX so we can be fed.
I hope that answers your question suffectly, yours Shivan CEO Novus
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shivan
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Posted - 2006.02.27 04:40:00 -
[134]
The reason the leadership of SA is all shot to hell atm is that we recently replaced all the CEO's brains (mine inculded) with the spare hamsters after CCP changed server, there was a mistake in the installion process and some wires where all inserted incorrectly and now all we want is our lettice. The problem being that the only souce of the lettice is for sale in Delve by the Blood Raiders so we have to kill BoB and control their region so we can be fed. That also means we have to kill FIX so we can be fed.
I hope that answers your question suffectly, yours Shivan CEO Novus
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shivan
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Posted - 2006.02.27 04:40:00 -
[135]
The reason the leadership of SA is all shot to hell atm is that we recently replaced all the CEO's brains (mine inculded) with the spare hamsters after CCP changed server, there was a mistake in the installion process and some wires where all inserted incorrectly and now all we want is our lettice. The problem being that the only souce of the lettice is for sale in Delve by the Blood Raiders so we have to kill BoB and control their region so we can be fed. That also means we have to kill FIX so we can be fed.
I hope that answers your question suffectly, yours Shivan CEO Novus
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shivan
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Posted - 2006.02.27 04:40:00 -
[136]
The reason the leadership of SA is all shot to hell atm is that we recently replaced all the CEO's brains (mine inculded) with the spare hamsters after CCP changed server, there was a mistake in the installion process and some wires where all inserted incorrectly and now all we want is our lettice. The problem being that the only souce of the lettice is for sale in Delve by the Blood Raiders so we have to kill BoB and control their region so we can be fed. That also means we have to kill FIX so we can be fed.
I hope that answers your question suffectly, yours Shivan CEO Novus
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Rexthor Hammerfists
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Posted - 2006.02.27 05:01:00 -
[137]
from what ive understand from the logs and orca`s answers it seems sa is lead by a council of the ceos.
just seems to b so to me, correct me if im wrong - btw i also dont see how pvp experience matters when askin that question.. - Purple Conquered The World, We the Universe.
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Rexthor Hammerfists
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Posted - 2006.02.27 05:01:00 -
[138]
from what ive understand from the logs and orca`s answers it seems sa is lead by a council of the ceos.
just seems to b so to me, correct me if im wrong - btw i also dont see how pvp experience matters when askin that question.. - Purple Conquered The World, We the Universe.
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Rexthor Hammerfists
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Posted - 2006.02.27 05:01:00 -
[139]
from what ive understand from the logs and orca`s answers it seems sa is lead by a council of the ceos.
just seems to b so to me, correct me if im wrong - btw i also dont see how pvp experience matters when askin that question.. - Purple Conquered The World, We the Universe.
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Rexthor Hammerfists
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Posted - 2006.02.27 05:01:00 -
[140]
from what ive understand from the logs and orca`s answers it seems sa is lead by a council of the ceos.
just seems to b so to me, correct me if im wrong - btw i also dont see how pvp experience matters when askin that question.. - Purple Conquered The World, We the Universe.
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Rexthor Hammerfists
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Posted - 2006.02.27 05:01:00 -
[141]
from what ive understand from the logs and orca`s answers it seems sa is lead by a council of the ceos.
just seems to b so to me, correct me if im wrong - btw i also dont see how pvp experience matters when askin that question.. - Purple Conquered The World, We the Universe.
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Rexthor Hammerfists
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Posted - 2006.02.27 05:01:00 -
[142]
from what ive understand from the logs and orca`s answers it seems sa is lead by a council of the ceos.
just seems to b so to me, correct me if im wrong - btw i also dont see how pvp experience matters when askin that question.. - Purple Conquered The World, We the Universe.
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Rexthor Hammerfists
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Posted - 2006.02.27 05:01:00 -
[143]
from what ive understand from the logs and orca`s answers it seems sa is lead by a council of the ceos.
just seems to b so to me, correct me if im wrong - btw i also dont see how pvp experience matters when askin that question.. - Purple Conquered The World, We the Universe.
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Rexthor Hammerfists
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Posted - 2006.02.27 05:01:00 -
[144]
from what ive understand from the logs and orca`s answers it seems sa is lead by a council of the ceos.
just seems to b so to me, correct me if im wrong - btw i also dont see how pvp experience matters when askin that question.. - Purple Conquered The World, We the Universe.
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Rexthor Hammerfists
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Posted - 2006.02.27 05:01:00 -
[145]
from what ive understand from the logs and orca`s answers it seems sa is lead by a council of the ceos.
just seems to b so to me, correct me if im wrong - btw i also dont see how pvp experience matters when askin that question.. - Purple Conquered The World, We the Universe.
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Rexthor Hammerfists
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Posted - 2006.02.27 05:01:00 -
[146]
from what ive understand from the logs and orca`s answers it seems sa is lead by a council of the ceos.
just seems to b so to me, correct me if im wrong - btw i also dont see how pvp experience matters when askin that question.. - Purple Conquered The World, We the Universe.
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Rexthor Hammerfists
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Posted - 2006.02.27 05:01:00 -
[147]
from what ive understand from the logs and orca`s answers it seems sa is lead by a council of the ceos.
just seems to b so to me, correct me if im wrong - btw i also dont see how pvp experience matters when askin that question.. - Purple Conquered The World, We the Universe.
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Rexthor Hammerfists
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Posted - 2006.02.27 05:01:00 -
[148]
from what ive understand from the logs and orca`s answers it seems sa is lead by a council of the ceos.
just seems to b so to me, correct me if im wrong - btw i also dont see how pvp experience matters when askin that question.. - Purple Conquered The World, We the Universe.
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Rexthor Hammerfists
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Posted - 2006.02.27 05:01:00 -
[149]
from what ive understand from the logs and orca`s answers it seems sa is lead by a council of the ceos.
just seems to b so to me, correct me if im wrong - btw i also dont see how pvp experience matters when askin that question.. - Purple Conquered The World, We the Universe.
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Rexthor Hammerfists
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Posted - 2006.02.27 05:01:00 -
[150]
from what ive understand from the logs and orca`s answers it seems sa is lead by a council of the ceos.
just seems to b so to me, correct me if im wrong - btw i also dont see how pvp experience matters when askin that question.. - Purple Conquered The World, We the Universe.
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Rexthor Hammerfists
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Posted - 2006.02.27 05:01:00 -
[151]
from what ive understand from the logs and orca`s answers it seems sa is lead by a council of the ceos.
just seems to b so to me, correct me if im wrong - btw i also dont see how pvp experience matters when askin that question.. - Purple Conquered The World, We the Universe.
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Rexthor Hammerfists
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Posted - 2006.02.27 05:01:00 -
[152]
from what ive understand from the logs and orca`s answers it seems sa is lead by a council of the ceos.
just seems to b so to me, correct me if im wrong - btw i also dont see how pvp experience matters when askin that question.. - Purple Conquered The World, We the Universe.
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Rexthor Hammerfists
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Posted - 2006.02.27 05:01:00 -
[153]
from what ive understand from the logs and orca`s answers it seems sa is lead by a council of the ceos.
just seems to b so to me, correct me if im wrong - btw i also dont see how pvp experience matters when askin that question.. - Purple Conquered The World, We the Universe.
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R4d1o4ct1v3
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Posted - 2006.02.27 05:06:00 -
[154]
Ahhh.. That explains it  ------------------- DISCLAIMER: All opinions in this post are the opinions af a week old, half eaten sandwitch and do in no way reflect the opinions of anybody within a 10km radius of the Eiffel towe |

R4d1o4ct1v3
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Posted - 2006.02.27 05:06:00 -
[155]
Ahhh.. That explains it  ------------------- DISCLAIMER: All opinions in this post are the opinions af a week old, half eaten sandwitch and do in no way reflect the opinions of anybody within a 10km radius of the Eiffel towe |

R4d1o4ct1v3
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Posted - 2006.02.27 05:06:00 -
[156]
Ahhh.. That explains it  ------------------- DISCLAIMER: All opinions in this post are the opinions af a week old, half eaten sandwitch and do in no way reflect the opinions of anybody within a 10km radius of the Eiffel towe |

R4d1o4ct1v3
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Posted - 2006.02.27 05:06:00 -
[157]
Ahhh.. That explains it  ------------------- DISCLAIMER: All opinions in this post are the opinions af a week old, half eaten sandwitch and do in no way reflect the opinions of anybody within a 10km radius of the Eiffel towe |

R4d1o4ct1v3
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Posted - 2006.02.27 05:06:00 -
[158]
Ahhh.. That explains it  ------------------- DISCLAIMER: All opinions in this post are the opinions af a week old, half eaten sandwitch and do in no way reflect the opinions of anybody within a 10km radius of the Eiffel towe |

R4d1o4ct1v3
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Posted - 2006.02.27 05:06:00 -
[159]
Ahhh.. That explains it  ------------------- DISCLAIMER: All opinions in this post are the opinions af a week old, half eaten sandwitch and do in no way reflect the opinions of anybody within a 10km radius of the Eiffel towe |

R4d1o4ct1v3
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Posted - 2006.02.27 05:06:00 -
[160]
Ahhh.. That explains it  ------------------- DISCLAIMER: All opinions in this post are the opinions af a week old, half eaten sandwitch and do in no way reflect the opinions of anybody within a 10km radius of the Eiffel towe |
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R4d1o4ct1v3
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Posted - 2006.02.27 05:06:00 -
[161]
Ahhh.. That explains it  ------------------- DISCLAIMER: All opinions in this post are the opinions af a week old, half eaten sandwitch and do in no way reflect the opinions of anybody within a 10km radius of the Eiffel towe |

R4d1o4ct1v3
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Posted - 2006.02.27 05:06:00 -
[162]
Ahhh.. That explains it  ------------------- DISCLAIMER: All opinions in this post are the opinions af a week old, half eaten sandwitch and do in no way reflect the opinions of anybody within a 10km radius of the Eiffel towe |

R4d1o4ct1v3
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Posted - 2006.02.27 05:06:00 -
[163]
Ahhh.. That explains it  ------------------- DISCLAIMER: All opinions in this post are the opinions af a week old, half eaten sandwitch and do in no way reflect the opinions of anybody within a 10km radius of the Eiffel towe |

R4d1o4ct1v3
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Posted - 2006.02.27 05:06:00 -
[164]
Ahhh.. That explains it  ------------------- DISCLAIMER: All opinions in this post are the opinions af a week old, half eaten sandwitch and do in no way reflect the opinions of anybody within a 10km radius of the Eiffel towe |

R4d1o4ct1v3
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Posted - 2006.02.27 05:06:00 -
[165]
Ahhh.. That explains it  ------------------- DISCLAIMER: All opinions in this post are the opinions af a week old, half eaten sandwitch and do in no way reflect the opinions of anybody within a 10km radius of the Eiffel towe |

R4d1o4ct1v3
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Posted - 2006.02.27 05:06:00 -
[166]
Ahhh.. That explains it  ------------------- DISCLAIMER: All opinions in this post are the opinions af a week old, half eaten sandwitch and do in no way reflect the opinions of anybody within a 10km radius of the Eiffel towe |

R4d1o4ct1v3
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Posted - 2006.02.27 05:06:00 -
[167]
Ahhh.. That explains it  ------------------- DISCLAIMER: All opinions in this post are the opinions af a week old, half eaten sandwitch and do in no way reflect the opinions of anybody within a 10km radius of the Eiffel towe |

R4d1o4ct1v3
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Posted - 2006.02.27 05:06:00 -
[168]
Ahhh.. That explains it  ------------------- DISCLAIMER: All opinions in this post are the opinions af a week old, half eaten sandwitch and do in no way reflect the opinions of anybody within a 10km radius of the Eiffel towe |

R4d1o4ct1v3
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Posted - 2006.02.27 05:06:00 -
[169]
Ahhh.. That explains it  ------------------- DISCLAIMER: All opinions in this post are the opinions af a week old, half eaten sandwitch and do in no way reflect the opinions of anybody within a 10km radius of the Eiffel towe |

R4d1o4ct1v3
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Posted - 2006.02.27 05:06:00 -
[170]
Ahhh.. That explains it  ------------------- DISCLAIMER: All opinions in this post are the opinions af a week old, half eaten sandwitch and do in no way reflect the opinions of anybody within a 10km radius of the Eiffel towe |
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R4d1o4ct1v3
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Posted - 2006.02.27 05:25:00 -
[171]
Edited by: R4d1o4ct1v3 on 27/02/2006 05:26:05 In a topic made by a BoB member (SirMolle) it is explaned how the FIX/BoB vs. SA thing was started.
After reading this it seemes to me like Orc'a is either deliberitly trying to destroy the friendship between BoB and SA, he even insults TRIGGER (imo) who had succesfully begun peacfull nagotiations with BoB/FIX witch all leads to the situatin as it is now, war.
That looks to me like a single person is the cause of SA's war with BoB, wich could probbly have been easilly avoided by a reasonable and willing diplomat. ------------------- DISCLAIMER: All opinions in this post are the opinions af a week old, half eaten sandwitch and do in no way reflect the opinions of anybody within a 10km radius of the Eiffel towe |

R4d1o4ct1v3
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Posted - 2006.02.27 05:25:00 -
[172]
Edited by: R4d1o4ct1v3 on 27/02/2006 05:26:05 In a topic made by a BoB member (SirMolle) it is explaned how the FIX/BoB vs. SA thing was started.
After reading this it seemes to me like Orc'a is either deliberitly trying to destroy the friendship between BoB and SA, he even insults TRIGGER (imo) who had succesfully begun peacfull nagotiations with BoB/FIX witch all leads to the situatin as it is now, war.
That looks to me like a single person is the cause of SA's war with BoB, wich could probbly have been easilly avoided by a reasonable and willing diplomat. ------------------- DISCLAIMER: All opinions in this post are the opinions af a week old, half eaten sandwitch and do in no way reflect the opinions of anybody within a 10km radius of the Eiffel towe |

R4d1o4ct1v3
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Posted - 2006.02.27 05:25:00 -
[173]
Edited by: R4d1o4ct1v3 on 27/02/2006 05:26:05 In a topic made by a BoB member (SirMolle) it is explaned how the FIX/BoB vs. SA thing was started.
After reading this it seemes to me like Orc'a is either deliberitly trying to destroy the friendship between BoB and SA, he even insults TRIGGER (imo) who had succesfully begun peacfull nagotiations with BoB/FIX witch all leads to the situatin as it is now, war.
That looks to me like a single person is the cause of SA's war with BoB, wich could probbly have been easilly avoided by a reasonable and willing diplomat. ------------------- DISCLAIMER: All opinions in this post are the opinions af a week old, half eaten sandwitch and do in no way reflect the opinions of anybody within a 10km radius of the Eiffel towe |

R4d1o4ct1v3
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Posted - 2006.02.27 05:25:00 -
[174]
Edited by: R4d1o4ct1v3 on 27/02/2006 05:26:05 In a topic made by a BoB member (SirMolle) it is explaned how the FIX/BoB vs. SA thing was started.
After reading this it seemes to me like Orc'a is either deliberitly trying to destroy the friendship between BoB and SA, he even insults TRIGGER (imo) who had succesfully begun peacfull nagotiations with BoB/FIX witch all leads to the situatin as it is now, war.
That looks to me like a single person is the cause of SA's war with BoB, wich could probbly have been easilly avoided by a reasonable and willing diplomat. ------------------- DISCLAIMER: All opinions in this post are the opinions af a week old, half eaten sandwitch and do in no way reflect the opinions of anybody within a 10km radius of the Eiffel towe |

R4d1o4ct1v3
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Posted - 2006.02.27 05:25:00 -
[175]
Edited by: R4d1o4ct1v3 on 27/02/2006 05:26:05 In a topic made by a BoB member (SirMolle) it is explaned how the FIX/BoB vs. SA thing was started.
After reading this it seemes to me like Orc'a is either deliberitly trying to destroy the friendship between BoB and SA, he even insults TRIGGER (imo) who had succesfully begun peacfull nagotiations with BoB/FIX witch all leads to the situatin as it is now, war.
That looks to me like a single person is the cause of SA's war with BoB, wich could probbly have been easilly avoided by a reasonable and willing diplomat. ------------------- DISCLAIMER: All opinions in this post are the opinions af a week old, half eaten sandwitch and do in no way reflect the opinions of anybody within a 10km radius of the Eiffel towe |

R4d1o4ct1v3
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Posted - 2006.02.27 05:25:00 -
[176]
Edited by: R4d1o4ct1v3 on 27/02/2006 05:26:05 In a topic made by a BoB member (SirMolle) it is explaned how the FIX/BoB vs. SA thing was started.
After reading this it seemes to me like Orc'a is either deliberitly trying to destroy the friendship between BoB and SA, he even insults TRIGGER (imo) who had succesfully begun peacfull nagotiations with BoB/FIX witch all leads to the situatin as it is now, war.
That looks to me like a single person is the cause of SA's war with BoB, wich could probbly have been easilly avoided by a reasonable and willing diplomat. ------------------- DISCLAIMER: All opinions in this post are the opinions af a week old, half eaten sandwitch and do in no way reflect the opinions of anybody within a 10km radius of the Eiffel towe |

R4d1o4ct1v3
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Posted - 2006.02.27 05:25:00 -
[177]
Edited by: R4d1o4ct1v3 on 27/02/2006 05:26:05 In a topic made by a BoB member (SirMolle) it is explaned how the FIX/BoB vs. SA thing was started.
After reading this it seemes to me like Orc'a is either deliberitly trying to destroy the friendship between BoB and SA, he even insults TRIGGER (imo) who had succesfully begun peacfull nagotiations with BoB/FIX witch all leads to the situatin as it is now, war.
That looks to me like a single person is the cause of SA's war with BoB, wich could probbly have been easilly avoided by a reasonable and willing diplomat. ------------------- DISCLAIMER: All opinions in this post are the opinions af a week old, half eaten sandwitch and do in no way reflect the opinions of anybody within a 10km radius of the Eiffel towe |

R4d1o4ct1v3
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Posted - 2006.02.27 05:25:00 -
[178]
Edited by: R4d1o4ct1v3 on 27/02/2006 05:26:05 In a topic made by a BoB member (SirMolle) it is explaned how the FIX/BoB vs. SA thing was started.
After reading this it seemes to me like Orc'a is either deliberitly trying to destroy the friendship between BoB and SA, he even insults TRIGGER (imo) who had succesfully begun peacfull nagotiations with BoB/FIX witch all leads to the situatin as it is now, war.
That looks to me like a single person is the cause of SA's war with BoB, wich could probbly have been easilly avoided by a reasonable and willing diplomat. ------------------- DISCLAIMER: All opinions in this post are the opinions af a week old, half eaten sandwitch and do in no way reflect the opinions of anybody within a 10km radius of the Eiffel towe |

R4d1o4ct1v3
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Posted - 2006.02.27 05:25:00 -
[179]
Edited by: R4d1o4ct1v3 on 27/02/2006 05:26:05 In a topic made by a BoB member (SirMolle) it is explaned how the FIX/BoB vs. SA thing was started.
After reading this it seemes to me like Orc'a is either deliberitly trying to destroy the friendship between BoB and SA, he even insults TRIGGER (imo) who had succesfully begun peacfull nagotiations with BoB/FIX witch all leads to the situatin as it is now, war.
That looks to me like a single person is the cause of SA's war with BoB, wich could probbly have been easilly avoided by a reasonable and willing diplomat. ------------------- DISCLAIMER: All opinions in this post are the opinions af a week old, half eaten sandwitch and do in no way reflect the opinions of anybody within a 10km radius of the Eiffel towe |

R4d1o4ct1v3
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Posted - 2006.02.27 05:25:00 -
[180]
Edited by: R4d1o4ct1v3 on 27/02/2006 05:26:05 In a topic made by a BoB member (SirMolle) it is explaned how the FIX/BoB vs. SA thing was started.
After reading this it seemes to me like Orc'a is either deliberitly trying to destroy the friendship between BoB and SA, he even insults TRIGGER (imo) who had succesfully begun peacfull nagotiations with BoB/FIX witch all leads to the situatin as it is now, war.
That looks to me like a single person is the cause of SA's war with BoB, wich could probbly have been easilly avoided by a reasonable and willing diplomat. ------------------- DISCLAIMER: All opinions in this post are the opinions af a week old, half eaten sandwitch and do in no way reflect the opinions of anybody within a 10km radius of the Eiffel towe |
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R4d1o4ct1v3
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Posted - 2006.02.27 05:25:00 -
[181]
Edited by: R4d1o4ct1v3 on 27/02/2006 05:26:05 In a topic made by a BoB member (SirMolle) it is explaned how the FIX/BoB vs. SA thing was started.
After reading this it seemes to me like Orc'a is either deliberitly trying to destroy the friendship between BoB and SA, he even insults TRIGGER (imo) who had succesfully begun peacfull nagotiations with BoB/FIX witch all leads to the situatin as it is now, war.
That looks to me like a single person is the cause of SA's war with BoB, wich could probbly have been easilly avoided by a reasonable and willing diplomat. ------------------- DISCLAIMER: All opinions in this post are the opinions af a week old, half eaten sandwitch and do in no way reflect the opinions of anybody within a 10km radius of the Eiffel towe |

R4d1o4ct1v3
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Posted - 2006.02.27 05:25:00 -
[182]
Edited by: R4d1o4ct1v3 on 27/02/2006 05:26:05 In a topic made by a BoB member (SirMolle) it is explaned how the FIX/BoB vs. SA thing was started.
After reading this it seemes to me like Orc'a is either deliberitly trying to destroy the friendship between BoB and SA, he even insults TRIGGER (imo) who had succesfully begun peacfull nagotiations with BoB/FIX witch all leads to the situatin as it is now, war.
That looks to me like a single person is the cause of SA's war with BoB, wich could probbly have been easilly avoided by a reasonable and willing diplomat. ------------------- DISCLAIMER: All opinions in this post are the opinions af a week old, half eaten sandwitch and do in no way reflect the opinions of anybody within a 10km radius of the Eiffel towe |

R4d1o4ct1v3
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Posted - 2006.02.27 05:25:00 -
[183]
Edited by: R4d1o4ct1v3 on 27/02/2006 05:26:05 In a topic made by a BoB member (SirMolle) it is explaned how the FIX/BoB vs. SA thing was started.
After reading this it seemes to me like Orc'a is either deliberitly trying to destroy the friendship between BoB and SA, he even insults TRIGGER (imo) who had succesfully begun peacfull nagotiations with BoB/FIX witch all leads to the situatin as it is now, war.
That looks to me like a single person is the cause of SA's war with BoB, wich could probbly have been easilly avoided by a reasonable and willing diplomat. ------------------- DISCLAIMER: All opinions in this post are the opinions af a week old, half eaten sandwitch and do in no way reflect the opinions of anybody within a 10km radius of the Eiffel towe |

R4d1o4ct1v3
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Posted - 2006.02.27 05:25:00 -
[184]
Edited by: R4d1o4ct1v3 on 27/02/2006 05:26:05 In a topic made by a BoB member (SirMolle) it is explaned how the FIX/BoB vs. SA thing was started.
After reading this it seemes to me like Orc'a is either deliberitly trying to destroy the friendship between BoB and SA, he even insults TRIGGER (imo) who had succesfully begun peacfull nagotiations with BoB/FIX witch all leads to the situatin as it is now, war.
That looks to me like a single person is the cause of SA's war with BoB, wich could probbly have been easilly avoided by a reasonable and willing diplomat. ------------------- DISCLAIMER: All opinions in this post are the opinions af a week old, half eaten sandwitch and do in no way reflect the opinions of anybody within a 10km radius of the Eiffel towe |

R4d1o4ct1v3
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Posted - 2006.02.27 05:25:00 -
[185]
Edited by: R4d1o4ct1v3 on 27/02/2006 05:26:05 In a topic made by a BoB member (SirMolle) it is explaned how the FIX/BoB vs. SA thing was started.
After reading this it seemes to me like Orc'a is either deliberitly trying to destroy the friendship between BoB and SA, he even insults TRIGGER (imo) who had succesfully begun peacfull nagotiations with BoB/FIX witch all leads to the situatin as it is now, war.
That looks to me like a single person is the cause of SA's war with BoB, wich could probbly have been easilly avoided by a reasonable and willing diplomat. ------------------- DISCLAIMER: All opinions in this post are the opinions af a week old, half eaten sandwitch and do in no way reflect the opinions of anybody within a 10km radius of the Eiffel towe |

USN CVN73
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Posted - 2006.02.27 05:39:00 -
[186]
Originally by: R4d1o4ct1v3 Edited by: R4d1o4ct1v3 on 27/02/2006 05:26:05 In a topic made by a BoB member (SirMolle) it is explaned how the FIX/BoB vs. SA thing was started.
After reading this it seemes to me like Orc'a is either deliberitly trying to destroy the friendship between BoB and SA, he even insults TRIGGER (imo) who had succesfully begun peacfull nagotiations with BoB/FIX witch all leads to the situatin as it is now, war.
That looks to me like a single person is the cause of SA's war with BoB, wich could probbly have been easilly avoided by a reasonable and willing diplomat.
no need to restart the thread that was recently closed by CCP... so your efforts are going nowere...
cheers. USN
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USN CVN73
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Posted - 2006.02.27 05:39:00 -
[187]
Originally by: R4d1o4ct1v3 Edited by: R4d1o4ct1v3 on 27/02/2006 05:26:05 In a topic made by a BoB member (SirMolle) it is explaned how the FIX/BoB vs. SA thing was started.
After reading this it seemes to me like Orc'a is either deliberitly trying to destroy the friendship between BoB and SA, he even insults TRIGGER (imo) who had succesfully begun peacfull nagotiations with BoB/FIX witch all leads to the situatin as it is now, war.
That looks to me like a single person is the cause of SA's war with BoB, wich could probbly have been easilly avoided by a reasonable and willing diplomat.
no need to restart the thread that was recently closed by CCP... so your efforts are going nowere...
cheers. USN
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USN CVN73
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Posted - 2006.02.27 05:39:00 -
[188]
Originally by: R4d1o4ct1v3 Edited by: R4d1o4ct1v3 on 27/02/2006 05:26:05 In a topic made by a BoB member (SirMolle) it is explaned how the FIX/BoB vs. SA thing was started.
After reading this it seemes to me like Orc'a is either deliberitly trying to destroy the friendship between BoB and SA, he even insults TRIGGER (imo) who had succesfully begun peacfull nagotiations with BoB/FIX witch all leads to the situatin as it is now, war.
That looks to me like a single person is the cause of SA's war with BoB, wich could probbly have been easilly avoided by a reasonable and willing diplomat.
no need to restart the thread that was recently closed by CCP... so your efforts are going nowere...
cheers. USN
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USN CVN73
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Posted - 2006.02.27 05:39:00 -
[189]
Originally by: R4d1o4ct1v3 Edited by: R4d1o4ct1v3 on 27/02/2006 05:26:05 In a topic made by a BoB member (SirMolle) it is explaned how the FIX/BoB vs. SA thing was started.
After reading this it seemes to me like Orc'a is either deliberitly trying to destroy the friendship between BoB and SA, he even insults TRIGGER (imo) who had succesfully begun peacfull nagotiations with BoB/FIX witch all leads to the situatin as it is now, war.
That looks to me like a single person is the cause of SA's war with BoB, wich could probbly have been easilly avoided by a reasonable and willing diplomat.
no need to restart the thread that was recently closed by CCP... so your efforts are going nowere...
cheers. USN
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USN CVN73
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Posted - 2006.02.27 05:39:00 -
[190]
Originally by: R4d1o4ct1v3 Edited by: R4d1o4ct1v3 on 27/02/2006 05:26:05 In a topic made by a BoB member (SirMolle) it is explaned how the FIX/BoB vs. SA thing was started.
After reading this it seemes to me like Orc'a is either deliberitly trying to destroy the friendship between BoB and SA, he even insults TRIGGER (imo) who had succesfully begun peacfull nagotiations with BoB/FIX witch all leads to the situatin as it is now, war.
That looks to me like a single person is the cause of SA's war with BoB, wich could probbly have been easilly avoided by a reasonable and willing diplomat.
no need to restart the thread that was recently closed by CCP... so your efforts are going nowere...
cheers. USN
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USN CVN73
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Posted - 2006.02.27 05:39:00 -
[191]
Originally by: R4d1o4ct1v3 Edited by: R4d1o4ct1v3 on 27/02/2006 05:26:05 In a topic made by a BoB member (SirMolle) it is explaned how the FIX/BoB vs. SA thing was started.
After reading this it seemes to me like Orc'a is either deliberitly trying to destroy the friendship between BoB and SA, he even insults TRIGGER (imo) who had succesfully begun peacfull nagotiations with BoB/FIX witch all leads to the situatin as it is now, war.
That looks to me like a single person is the cause of SA's war with BoB, wich could probbly have been easilly avoided by a reasonable and willing diplomat.
no need to restart the thread that was recently closed by CCP... so your efforts are going nowere...
cheers. USN
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USN CVN73
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Posted - 2006.02.27 05:39:00 -
[192]
Originally by: R4d1o4ct1v3 Edited by: R4d1o4ct1v3 on 27/02/2006 05:26:05 In a topic made by a BoB member (SirMolle) it is explaned how the FIX/BoB vs. SA thing was started.
After reading this it seemes to me like Orc'a is either deliberitly trying to destroy the friendship between BoB and SA, he even insults TRIGGER (imo) who had succesfully begun peacfull nagotiations with BoB/FIX witch all leads to the situatin as it is now, war.
That looks to me like a single person is the cause of SA's war with BoB, wich could probbly have been easilly avoided by a reasonable and willing diplomat.
no need to restart the thread that was recently closed by CCP... so your efforts are going nowere...
cheers. USN
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USN CVN73
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Posted - 2006.02.27 05:39:00 -
[193]
Originally by: R4d1o4ct1v3 Edited by: R4d1o4ct1v3 on 27/02/2006 05:26:05 In a topic made by a BoB member (SirMolle) it is explaned how the FIX/BoB vs. SA thing was started.
After reading this it seemes to me like Orc'a is either deliberitly trying to destroy the friendship between BoB and SA, he even insults TRIGGER (imo) who had succesfully begun peacfull nagotiations with BoB/FIX witch all leads to the situatin as it is now, war.
That looks to me like a single person is the cause of SA's war with BoB, wich could probbly have been easilly avoided by a reasonable and willing diplomat.
no need to restart the thread that was recently closed by CCP... so your efforts are going nowere...
cheers. USN
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USN CVN73
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Posted - 2006.02.27 05:39:00 -
[194]
Originally by: R4d1o4ct1v3 Edited by: R4d1o4ct1v3 on 27/02/2006 05:26:05 In a topic made by a BoB member (SirMolle) it is explaned how the FIX/BoB vs. SA thing was started.
After reading this it seemes to me like Orc'a is either deliberitly trying to destroy the friendship between BoB and SA, he even insults TRIGGER (imo) who had succesfully begun peacfull nagotiations with BoB/FIX witch all leads to the situatin as it is now, war.
That looks to me like a single person is the cause of SA's war with BoB, wich could probbly have been easilly avoided by a reasonable and willing diplomat.
no need to restart the thread that was recently closed by CCP... so your efforts are going nowere...
cheers. USN
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USN CVN73
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Posted - 2006.02.27 05:39:00 -
[195]
Originally by: R4d1o4ct1v3 Edited by: R4d1o4ct1v3 on 27/02/2006 05:26:05 In a topic made by a BoB member (SirMolle) it is explaned how the FIX/BoB vs. SA thing was started.
After reading this it seemes to me like Orc'a is either deliberitly trying to destroy the friendship between BoB and SA, he even insults TRIGGER (imo) who had succesfully begun peacfull nagotiations with BoB/FIX witch all leads to the situatin as it is now, war.
That looks to me like a single person is the cause of SA's war with BoB, wich could probbly have been easilly avoided by a reasonable and willing diplomat.
no need to restart the thread that was recently closed by CCP... so your efforts are going nowere...
cheers. USN
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USN CVN73
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Posted - 2006.02.27 05:39:00 -
[196]
Originally by: R4d1o4ct1v3 Edited by: R4d1o4ct1v3 on 27/02/2006 05:26:05 In a topic made by a BoB member (SirMolle) it is explaned how the FIX/BoB vs. SA thing was started.
After reading this it seemes to me like Orc'a is either deliberitly trying to destroy the friendship between BoB and SA, he even insults TRIGGER (imo) who had succesfully begun peacfull nagotiations with BoB/FIX witch all leads to the situatin as it is now, war.
That looks to me like a single person is the cause of SA's war with BoB, wich could probbly have been easilly avoided by a reasonable and willing diplomat.
no need to restart the thread that was recently closed by CCP... so your efforts are going nowere...
cheers. USN
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USN CVN73
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Posted - 2006.02.27 05:39:00 -
[197]
Originally by: R4d1o4ct1v3 Edited by: R4d1o4ct1v3 on 27/02/2006 05:26:05 In a topic made by a BoB member (SirMolle) it is explaned how the FIX/BoB vs. SA thing was started.
After reading this it seemes to me like Orc'a is either deliberitly trying to destroy the friendship between BoB and SA, he even insults TRIGGER (imo) who had succesfully begun peacfull nagotiations with BoB/FIX witch all leads to the situatin as it is now, war.
That looks to me like a single person is the cause of SA's war with BoB, wich could probbly have been easilly avoided by a reasonable and willing diplomat.
no need to restart the thread that was recently closed by CCP... so your efforts are going nowere...
cheers. USN
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USN CVN73
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Posted - 2006.02.27 05:39:00 -
[198]
Originally by: R4d1o4ct1v3 Edited by: R4d1o4ct1v3 on 27/02/2006 05:26:05 In a topic made by a BoB member (SirMolle) it is explaned how the FIX/BoB vs. SA thing was started.
After reading this it seemes to me like Orc'a is either deliberitly trying to destroy the friendship between BoB and SA, he even insults TRIGGER (imo) who had succesfully begun peacfull nagotiations with BoB/FIX witch all leads to the situatin as it is now, war.
That looks to me like a single person is the cause of SA's war with BoB, wich could probbly have been easilly avoided by a reasonable and willing diplomat.
no need to restart the thread that was recently closed by CCP... so your efforts are going nowere...
cheers. USN
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Moncada
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Posted - 2006.02.27 05:59:00 -
[199]
I think it was a fair question and didnt deserv to be flamed to hell for it. I myself has been wondering this as I have many times tried to enter negotiations with SA about a matter of mine but have been given many persons to talk to and none to answer me. So if someone could point me to a person that is free to negotiate about matters of logistics I would be grateful. Anyway, Keep it up SA.
Montada Cardinal Maledictus Sanguine
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Moncada
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Posted - 2006.02.27 05:59:00 -
[200]
I think it was a fair question and didnt deserv to be flamed to hell for it. I myself has been wondering this as I have many times tried to enter negotiations with SA about a matter of mine but have been given many persons to talk to and none to answer me. So if someone could point me to a person that is free to negotiate about matters of logistics I would be grateful. Anyway, Keep it up SA.
Montada Cardinal Maledictus Sanguine
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Moncada
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Posted - 2006.02.27 05:59:00 -
[201]
I think it was a fair question and didnt deserv to be flamed to hell for it. I myself has been wondering this as I have many times tried to enter negotiations with SA about a matter of mine but have been given many persons to talk to and none to answer me. So if someone could point me to a person that is free to negotiate about matters of logistics I would be grateful. Anyway, Keep it up SA.
Montada Cardinal Maledictus Sanguine
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Moncada
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Posted - 2006.02.27 05:59:00 -
[202]
I think it was a fair question and didnt deserv to be flamed to hell for it. I myself has been wondering this as I have many times tried to enter negotiations with SA about a matter of mine but have been given many persons to talk to and none to answer me. So if someone could point me to a person that is free to negotiate about matters of logistics I would be grateful. Anyway, Keep it up SA.
Montada Cardinal Maledictus Sanguine
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Moncada
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Posted - 2006.02.27 05:59:00 -
[203]
I think it was a fair question and didnt deserv to be flamed to hell for it. I myself has been wondering this as I have many times tried to enter negotiations with SA about a matter of mine but have been given many persons to talk to and none to answer me. So if someone could point me to a person that is free to negotiate about matters of logistics I would be grateful. Anyway, Keep it up SA.
Montada Cardinal Maledictus Sanguine
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Moncada
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Posted - 2006.02.27 05:59:00 -
[204]
I think it was a fair question and didnt deserv to be flamed to hell for it. I myself has been wondering this as I have many times tried to enter negotiations with SA about a matter of mine but have been given many persons to talk to and none to answer me. So if someone could point me to a person that is free to negotiate about matters of logistics I would be grateful. Anyway, Keep it up SA.
Montada Cardinal Maledictus Sanguine
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Moncada
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Posted - 2006.02.27 05:59:00 -
[205]
I think it was a fair question and didnt deserv to be flamed to hell for it. I myself has been wondering this as I have many times tried to enter negotiations with SA about a matter of mine but have been given many persons to talk to and none to answer me. So if someone could point me to a person that is free to negotiate about matters of logistics I would be grateful. Anyway, Keep it up SA.
Montada Cardinal Maledictus Sanguine
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Moncada
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Posted - 2006.02.27 05:59:00 -
[206]
I think it was a fair question and didnt deserv to be flamed to hell for it. I myself has been wondering this as I have many times tried to enter negotiations with SA about a matter of mine but have been given many persons to talk to and none to answer me. So if someone could point me to a person that is free to negotiate about matters of logistics I would be grateful. Anyway, Keep it up SA.
Montada Cardinal Maledictus Sanguine
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Moncada
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Posted - 2006.02.27 05:59:00 -
[207]
I think it was a fair question and didnt deserv to be flamed to hell for it. I myself has been wondering this as I have many times tried to enter negotiations with SA about a matter of mine but have been given many persons to talk to and none to answer me. So if someone could point me to a person that is free to negotiate about matters of logistics I would be grateful. Anyway, Keep it up SA.
Montada Cardinal Maledictus Sanguine
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Moncada
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Posted - 2006.02.27 05:59:00 -
[208]
I think it was a fair question and didnt deserv to be flamed to hell for it. I myself has been wondering this as I have many times tried to enter negotiations with SA about a matter of mine but have been given many persons to talk to and none to answer me. So if someone could point me to a person that is free to negotiate about matters of logistics I would be grateful. Anyway, Keep it up SA.
Montada Cardinal Maledictus Sanguine
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Moncada
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Posted - 2006.02.27 05:59:00 -
[209]
I think it was a fair question and didnt deserv to be flamed to hell for it. I myself has been wondering this as I have many times tried to enter negotiations with SA about a matter of mine but have been given many persons to talk to and none to answer me. So if someone could point me to a person that is free to negotiate about matters of logistics I would be grateful. Anyway, Keep it up SA.
Montada Cardinal Maledictus Sanguine
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Moncada
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Posted - 2006.02.27 05:59:00 -
[210]
I think it was a fair question and didnt deserv to be flamed to hell for it. I myself has been wondering this as I have many times tried to enter negotiations with SA about a matter of mine but have been given many persons to talk to and none to answer me. So if someone could point me to a person that is free to negotiate about matters of logistics I would be grateful. Anyway, Keep it up SA.
Montada Cardinal Maledictus Sanguine
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BOOFER
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Posted - 2006.02.27 06:01:00 -
[211]
Edited by: BOOFER on 27/02/2006 06:01:53 To the casual observer who knows the people involved: It appears as if in actual fact SA is technically leaderless. Trigger who is the spiritual leader of SA, is on far too little to really lead the alliance. Orc A, whilst being in the leadership of Stain is more likely the "loudest mouth" than the actual leader. I would imagine that the alliance is being run by an informal group of CEOs and Directors within Stain. Probably the "old guard" (ex - old SA).
From my view it would seem that whoever these people are their main objective seems to be to flex their muscles rather than do what is best for the alliance.
These are assumsions based on past experience, knowing some of those in the alliance and knowing how alliances tend to run. I do expect that someone from SA will no doubt correct me with insults but this is just my view from observations, so don't bother.
_______________________________________________
Boofer
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BOOFER
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Posted - 2006.02.27 06:01:00 -
[212]
Edited by: BOOFER on 27/02/2006 06:01:53 To the casual observer who knows the people involved: It appears as if in actual fact SA is technically leaderless. Trigger who is the spiritual leader of SA, is on far too little to really lead the alliance. Orc A, whilst being in the leadership of Stain is more likely the "loudest mouth" than the actual leader. I would imagine that the alliance is being run by an informal group of CEOs and Directors within Stain. Probably the "old guard" (ex - old SA).
From my view it would seem that whoever these people are their main objective seems to be to flex their muscles rather than do what is best for the alliance.
These are assumsions based on past experience, knowing some of those in the alliance and knowing how alliances tend to run. I do expect that someone from SA will no doubt correct me with insults but this is just my view from observations, so don't bother.
_______________________________________________
Boofer
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BOOFER
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Posted - 2006.02.27 06:01:00 -
[213]
Edited by: BOOFER on 27/02/2006 06:01:53 To the casual observer who knows the people involved: It appears as if in actual fact SA is technically leaderless. Trigger who is the spiritual leader of SA, is on far too little to really lead the alliance. Orc A, whilst being in the leadership of Stain is more likely the "loudest mouth" than the actual leader. I would imagine that the alliance is being run by an informal group of CEOs and Directors within Stain. Probably the "old guard" (ex - old SA).
From my view it would seem that whoever these people are their main objective seems to be to flex their muscles rather than do what is best for the alliance.
These are assumsions based on past experience, knowing some of those in the alliance and knowing how alliances tend to run. I do expect that someone from SA will no doubt correct me with insults but this is just my view from observations, so don't bother.
_______________________________________________
Boofer
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BOOFER
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Posted - 2006.02.27 06:01:00 -
[214]
Edited by: BOOFER on 27/02/2006 06:01:53 To the casual observer who knows the people involved: It appears as if in actual fact SA is technically leaderless. Trigger who is the spiritual leader of SA, is on far too little to really lead the alliance. Orc A, whilst being in the leadership of Stain is more likely the "loudest mouth" than the actual leader. I would imagine that the alliance is being run by an informal group of CEOs and Directors within Stain. Probably the "old guard" (ex - old SA).
From my view it would seem that whoever these people are their main objective seems to be to flex their muscles rather than do what is best for the alliance.
These are assumsions based on past experience, knowing some of those in the alliance and knowing how alliances tend to run. I do expect that someone from SA will no doubt correct me with insults but this is just my view from observations, so don't bother.
_______________________________________________
Boofer www.boofer.com/signature.gif[/IMG]
Please resize image to a maximum of 400 x 120, not exceeding 24000 kbs, ty - Cortes
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BOOFER
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Posted - 2006.02.27 06:01:00 -
[215]
Edited by: BOOFER on 27/02/2006 06:01:53 To the casual observer who knows the people involved: It appears as if in actual fact SA is technically leaderless. Trigger who is the spiritual leader of SA, is on far too little to really lead the alliance. Orc A, whilst being in the leadership of Stain is more likely the "loudest mouth" than the actual leader. I would imagine that the alliance is being run by an informal group of CEOs and Directors within Stain. Probably the "old guard" (ex - old SA).
From my view it would seem that whoever these people are their main objective seems to be to flex their muscles rather than do what is best for the alliance.
These are assumsions based on past experience, knowing some of those in the alliance and knowing how alliances tend to run. I do expect that someone from SA will no doubt correct me with insults but this is just my view from observations, so don't bother.
_______________________________________________
Boofer www.boofer.com/signature.gif[/IMG]
Please resize image to a maximum of 400 x 120, not exceeding 24000 kbs, ty - Cortes
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BOOFER
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Posted - 2006.02.27 06:01:00 -
[216]
Edited by: BOOFER on 27/02/2006 06:01:53 To the casual observer who knows the people involved: It appears as if in actual fact SA is technically leaderless. Trigger who is the spiritual leader of SA, is on far too little to really lead the alliance. Orc A, whilst being in the leadership of Stain is more likely the "loudest mouth" than the actual leader. I would imagine that the alliance is being run by an informal group of CEOs and Directors within Stain. Probably the "old guard" (ex - old SA).
From my view it would seem that whoever these people are their main objective seems to be to flex their muscles rather than do what is best for the alliance.
These are assumsions based on past experience, knowing some of those in the alliance and knowing how alliances tend to run. I do expect that someone from SA will no doubt correct me with insults but this is just my view from observations, so don't bother.
_______________________________________________
Boofer www.boofer.com/signature.gif[/IMG]
Please resize image to a maximum of 400 x 120, not exceeding 24000 kbs, ty - Cortes
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BOOFER
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Posted - 2006.02.27 06:01:00 -
[217]
Edited by: BOOFER on 27/02/2006 06:01:53 To the casual observer who knows the people involved: It appears as if in actual fact SA is technically leaderless. Trigger who is the spiritual leader of SA, is on far too little to really lead the alliance. Orc A, whilst being in the leadership of Stain is more likely the "loudest mouth" than the actual leader. I would imagine that the alliance is being run by an informal group of CEOs and Directors within Stain. Probably the "old guard" (ex - old SA).
From my view it would seem that whoever these people are their main objective seems to be to flex their muscles rather than do what is best for the alliance.
These are assumsions based on past experience, knowing some of those in the alliance and knowing how alliances tend to run. I do expect that someone from SA will no doubt correct me with insults but this is just my view from observations, so don't bother.
_______________________________________________
Boofer www.boofer.com/signature.gif[/IMG]
Please resize image to a maximum of 400 x 120, not exceeding 24000 kbs, ty - Cortes
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BOOFER
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Posted - 2006.02.27 06:01:00 -
[218]
Edited by: BOOFER on 27/02/2006 06:01:53 To the casual observer who knows the people involved: It appears as if in actual fact SA is technically leaderless. Trigger who is the spiritual leader of SA, is on far too little to really lead the alliance. Orc A, whilst being in the leadership of Stain is more likely the "loudest mouth" than the actual leader. I would imagine that the alliance is being run by an informal group of CEOs and Directors within Stain. Probably the "old guard" (ex - old SA).
From my view it would seem that whoever these people are their main objective seems to be to flex their muscles rather than do what is best for the alliance.
These are assumsions based on past experience, knowing some of those in the alliance and knowing how alliances tend to run. I do expect that someone from SA will no doubt correct me with insults but this is just my view from observations, so don't bother.
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BOOFER
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Posted - 2006.02.27 06:01:00 -
[219]
Edited by: BOOFER on 27/02/2006 06:01:53 To the casual observer who knows the people involved: It appears as if in actual fact SA is technically leaderless. Trigger who is the spiritual leader of SA, is on far too little to really lead the alliance. Orc A, whilst being in the leadership of Stain is more likely the "loudest mouth" than the actual leader. I would imagine that the alliance is being run by an informal group of CEOs and Directors within Stain. Probably the "old guard" (ex - old SA).
From my view it would seem that whoever these people are their main objective seems to be to flex their muscles rather than do what is best for the alliance.
These are assumsions based on past experience, knowing some of those in the alliance and knowing how alliances tend to run. I do expect that someone from SA will no doubt correct me with insults but this is just my view from observations, so don't bother.
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BOOFER
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Posted - 2006.02.27 06:01:00 -
[220]
Edited by: BOOFER on 27/02/2006 06:01:53 To the casual observer who knows the people involved: It appears as if in actual fact SA is technically leaderless. Trigger who is the spiritual leader of SA, is on far too little to really lead the alliance. Orc A, whilst being in the leadership of Stain is more likely the "loudest mouth" than the actual leader. I would imagine that the alliance is being run by an informal group of CEOs and Directors within Stain. Probably the "old guard" (ex - old SA).
From my view it would seem that whoever these people are their main objective seems to be to flex their muscles rather than do what is best for the alliance.
These are assumsions based on past experience, knowing some of those in the alliance and knowing how alliances tend to run. I do expect that someone from SA will no doubt correct me with insults but this is just my view from observations, so don't bother.
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BOOFER
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Posted - 2006.02.27 06:01:00 -
[221]
Edited by: BOOFER on 27/02/2006 06:01:53 To the casual observer who knows the people involved: It appears as if in actual fact SA is technically leaderless. Trigger who is the spiritual leader of SA, is on far too little to really lead the alliance. Orc A, whilst being in the leadership of Stain is more likely the "loudest mouth" than the actual leader. I would imagine that the alliance is being run by an informal group of CEOs and Directors within Stain. Probably the "old guard" (ex - old SA).
From my view it would seem that whoever these people are their main objective seems to be to flex their muscles rather than do what is best for the alliance.
These are assumsions based on past experience, knowing some of those in the alliance and knowing how alliances tend to run. I do expect that someone from SA will no doubt correct me with insults but this is just my view from observations, so don't bother.
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HellsRazor
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Posted - 2006.02.27 06:44:00 -
[222]
hmm... i think (not sure) USN is saying with a bit of emotion that if you fought in alot of SA gangs during the latest FIX campaign you know who has alot of respect and in a sense has alot of influence on certain directions SA goes in.( the person is just a well respected STAINER that does not waste time with forums like us ;p)
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HellsRazor
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Posted - 2006.02.27 06:44:00 -
[223]
hmm... i think (not sure) USN is saying with a bit of emotion that if you fought in alot of SA gangs during the latest FIX campaign you know who has alot of respect and in a sense has alot of influence on certain directions SA goes in.( the person is just a well respected STAINER that does not waste time with forums like us ;p)
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HellsRazor
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Posted - 2006.02.27 06:44:00 -
[224]
hmm... i think (not sure) USN is saying with a bit of emotion that if you fought in alot of SA gangs during the latest FIX campaign you know who has alot of respect and in a sense has alot of influence on certain directions SA goes in.( the person is just a well respected STAINER that does not waste time with forums like us ;p)
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HellsRazor
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Posted - 2006.02.27 06:44:00 -
[225]
hmm... i think (not sure) USN is saying with a bit of emotion that if you fought in alot of SA gangs during the latest FIX campaign you know who has alot of respect and in a sense has alot of influence on certain directions SA goes in.( the person is just a well respected STAINER that does not waste time with forums like us ;p)
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HellsRazor
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Posted - 2006.02.27 06:44:00 -
[226]
hmm... i think (not sure) USN is saying with a bit of emotion that if you fought in alot of SA gangs during the latest FIX campaign you know who has alot of respect and in a sense has alot of influence on certain directions SA goes in.( the person is just a well respected STAINER that does not waste time with forums like us ;p)
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HellsRazor
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Posted - 2006.02.27 06:44:00 -
[227]
hmm... i think (not sure) USN is saying with a bit of emotion that if you fought in alot of SA gangs during the latest FIX campaign you know who has alot of respect and in a sense has alot of influence on certain directions SA goes in.( the person is just a well respected STAINER that does not waste time with forums like us ;p)
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HellsRazor
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Posted - 2006.02.27 06:44:00 -
[228]
hmm... i think (not sure) USN is saying with a bit of emotion that if you fought in alot of SA gangs during the latest FIX campaign you know who has alot of respect and in a sense has alot of influence on certain directions SA goes in.( the person is just a well respected STAINER that does not waste time with forums like us ;p)
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HellsRazor
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Posted - 2006.02.27 06:44:00 -
[229]
hmm... i think (not sure) USN is saying with a bit of emotion that if you fought in alot of SA gangs during the latest FIX campaign you know who has alot of respect and in a sense has alot of influence on certain directions SA goes in.( the person is just a well respected STAINER that does not waste time with forums like us ;p)
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dantes inferno
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Posted - 2006.02.27 06:53:00 -
[230]
Quote: Orc'a is either deliberitly trying to destroy the friendship between BoB and SA,
im afriad bob are doing a much better job of that on these forums than orc a could of done in a thousand years..ive gone from 100% anti this war to 100% pro this war just from reading the posts from bob members which made it obvious they never considered sa friends or alays but lackeys. _____ This is a Stain Alliance Fighter. It is protecting the assets of Stain Alliance, and may attack anyone it perceives as a threat, Threat Level: Trigglarist Fundermentalist |
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dantes inferno
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Posted - 2006.02.27 06:53:00 -
[231]
Quote: Orc'a is either deliberitly trying to destroy the friendship between BoB and SA,
im afriad bob are doing a much better job of that on these forums than orc a could of done in a thousand years..ive gone from 100% anti this war to 100% pro this war just from reading the posts from bob members which made it obvious they never considered sa friends or alays but lackeys. _____ This is a Stain Alliance Fighter. It is protecting the assets of Stain Alliance, and may attack anyone it perceives as a threat, Threat Level: Trigglarist Fundermentalist |

dantes inferno
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Posted - 2006.02.27 06:53:00 -
[232]
Quote: Orc'a is either deliberitly trying to destroy the friendship between BoB and SA,
im afriad bob are doing a much better job of that on these forums than orc a could of done in a thousand years..ive gone from 100% anti this war to 100% pro this war just from reading the posts from bob members which made it obvious they never considered sa friends or alays but lackeys. _____ This is a Stain Alliance Fighter. It is protecting the assets of Stain Alliance, and may attack anyone it perceives as a threat, Threat Level: Trigglarist Fundermentalist |

dantes inferno
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Posted - 2006.02.27 06:53:00 -
[233]
Quote: Orc'a is either deliberitly trying to destroy the friendship between BoB and SA,
im afriad bob are doing a much better job of that on these forums than orc a could of done in a thousand years..ive gone from 100% anti this war to 100% pro this war just from reading the posts from bob members which made it obvious they never considered sa friends or alays but lackeys. _____ This is a Stain Alliance Fighter. It is protecting the assets of Stain Alliance, and may attack anyone it perceives as a threat, Threat Level: Trigglarist Fundermentalist |

dantes inferno
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Posted - 2006.02.27 06:53:00 -
[234]
Quote: Orc'a is either deliberitly trying to destroy the friendship between BoB and SA,
im afriad bob are doing a much better job of that on these forums than orc a could of done in a thousand years..ive gone from 100% anti this war to 100% pro this war just from reading the posts from bob members which made it obvious they never considered sa friends or alays but lackeys. _____ This is a Stain Alliance Fighter. It is protecting the assets of Stain Alliance, and may attack anyone it perceives as a threat, Threat Level: Trigglarist Fundermentalist |

dantes inferno
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Posted - 2006.02.27 06:53:00 -
[235]
Quote: Orc'a is either deliberitly trying to destroy the friendship between BoB and SA,
im afriad bob are doing a much better job of that on these forums than orc a could of done in a thousand years..ive gone from 100% anti this war to 100% pro this war just from reading the posts from bob members which made it obvious they never considered sa friends or alays but lackeys. _____ This is a Stain Alliance Fighter. It is protecting the assets of Stain Alliance, and may attack anyone it perceives as a threat, Threat Level: Trigglarist Fundermentalist |

dantes inferno
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Posted - 2006.02.27 06:53:00 -
[236]
Quote: Orc'a is either deliberitly trying to destroy the friendship between BoB and SA,
im afriad bob are doing a much better job of that on these forums than orc a could of done in a thousand years..ive gone from 100% anti this war to 100% pro this war just from reading the posts from bob members which made it obvious they never considered sa friends or alays but lackeys. _____ This is a Stain Alliance Fighter. It is protecting the assets of Stain Alliance, and may attack anyone it perceives as a threat, Threat Level: Trigglarist Fundermentalist |

dantes inferno
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Posted - 2006.02.27 06:53:00 -
[237]
Quote: Orc'a is either deliberitly trying to destroy the friendship between BoB and SA,
im afriad bob are doing a much better job of that on these forums than orc a could of done in a thousand years..ive gone from 100% anti this war to 100% pro this war just from reading the posts from bob members which made it obvious they never considered sa friends or alays but lackeys. _____ This is a Stain Alliance Fighter. It is protecting the assets of Stain Alliance, and may attack anyone it perceives as a threat, Threat Level: Trigglarist Fundermentalist |

DB Preacher
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Posted - 2006.02.27 07:51:00 -
[238]
That title is a contradiction in terms.
dbp
Current RKK Ranking: (CAL6) Tanto
Drop by and say hi in Reikoku Forums.
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DB Preacher
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Posted - 2006.02.27 07:51:00 -
[239]
That title is a contradiction in terms.
dbp
Current RKK Ranking: (CAL6) Tanto
Drop by and say hi in Reikoku Forums.
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DB Preacher
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Posted - 2006.02.27 07:51:00 -
[240]
That title is a contradiction in terms.
dbp
Current RKK Ranking: (CAL6) Tanto
Drop by and say hi in Reikoku Forums.
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DB Preacher
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Posted - 2006.02.27 07:51:00 -
[241]
That title is a contradiction in terms.
dbp
Current RKK Ranking: (CAL6) Tanto
Drop by and say hi in Reikoku Forums.
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DB Preacher
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Posted - 2006.02.27 07:51:00 -
[242]
That title is a contradiction in terms.
dbp
Current RKK Ranking: (CAL6) Tanto
Drop by and say hi in Reikoku Forums.
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DB Preacher
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Posted - 2006.02.27 07:51:00 -
[243]
That title is a contradiction in terms.
dbp
Current RKK Ranking: (CAL6) Tanto
Drop by and say hi in Reikoku Forums.
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DB Preacher
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Posted - 2006.02.27 07:51:00 -
[244]
That title is a contradiction in terms.
dbp
Current RKK Ranking: (CAL6) Tanto
Drop by and say hi in Reikoku Forums.
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DB Preacher
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Posted - 2006.02.27 07:51:00 -
[245]
That title is a contradiction in terms.
dbp
Current RKK Ranking: (CAL6) Tanto
Drop by and say hi in Reikoku Forums.
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Amira
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Posted - 2006.02.27 08:18:00 -
[246]
Originally by: DB Preacher That title is a contradiction in terms. dbp
I don't agree, but I think that's really funny anyway.
Interstellar Exodus [IE-EX] is the Stain Executor corp.
Boofer was correct when he said that Trig is a spiritual leader in SA, though the rest of his reply was mostly junk. Orc A is the official diplomat, which means ideally the things he posts here are a reflection of the decisions and opinions of the CEO council that actually runs SA's overall strategy. Lately, though, he has been engaging the BoB forum blob, which confuses things a little if you don't know how to read between the lines.
I think the OP had a decent question. The following flames, however, muddied the issue a bit.
"The Spartans ask not how many, but where they are." -Agis II of Sparta |

Amira
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Posted - 2006.02.27 08:18:00 -
[247]
Originally by: DB Preacher That title is a contradiction in terms. dbp
I don't agree, but I think that's really funny anyway.
Interstellar Exodus [IE-EX] is the Stain Executor corp.
Boofer was correct when he said that Trig is a spiritual leader in SA, though the rest of his reply was mostly junk. Orc A is the official diplomat, which means ideally the things he posts here are a reflection of the decisions and opinions of the CEO council that actually runs SA's overall strategy. Lately, though, he has been engaging the BoB forum blob, which confuses things a little if you don't know how to read between the lines.
I think the OP had a decent question. The following flames, however, muddied the issue a bit.
"The Spartans ask not how many, but where they are." -Agis II of Sparta |

Amira
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Posted - 2006.02.27 08:18:00 -
[248]
Originally by: DB Preacher That title is a contradiction in terms. dbp
I don't agree, but I think that's really funny anyway.
Interstellar Exodus [IE-EX] is the Stain Executor corp.
Boofer was correct when he said that Trig is a spiritual leader in SA, though the rest of his reply was mostly junk. Orc A is the official diplomat, which means ideally the things he posts here are a reflection of the decisions and opinions of the CEO council that actually runs SA's overall strategy. Lately, though, he has been engaging the BoB forum blob, which confuses things a little if you don't know how to read between the lines.
I think the OP had a decent question. The following flames, however, muddied the issue a bit.
"The Spartans ask not how many, but where they are." -Agis II of Sparta |

Amira
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Posted - 2006.02.27 08:18:00 -
[249]
Originally by: DB Preacher That title is a contradiction in terms. dbp
I don't agree, but I think that's really funny anyway.
Interstellar Exodus [IE-EX] is the Stain Executor corp.
Boofer was correct when he said that Trig is a spiritual leader in SA, though the rest of his reply was mostly junk. Orc A is the official diplomat, which means ideally the things he posts here are a reflection of the decisions and opinions of the CEO council that actually runs SA's overall strategy. Lately, though, he has been engaging the BoB forum blob, which confuses things a little if you don't know how to read between the lines.
I think the OP had a decent question. The following flames, however, muddied the issue a bit.
"The Spartans ask not how many, but where they are." -Agis II of Sparta |

Amira
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Posted - 2006.02.27 08:18:00 -
[250]
Originally by: DB Preacher That title is a contradiction in terms. dbp
I don't agree, but I think that's really funny anyway.
Interstellar Exodus [IE-EX] is the Stain Executor corp.
Boofer was correct when he said that Trig is a spiritual leader in SA, though the rest of his reply was mostly junk. Orc A is the official diplomat, which means ideally the things he posts here are a reflection of the decisions and opinions of the CEO council that actually runs SA's overall strategy. Lately, though, he has been engaging the BoB forum blob, which confuses things a little if you don't know how to read between the lines.
I think the OP had a decent question. The following flames, however, muddied the issue a bit.
"The Spartans ask not how many, but where they are." -Agis II of Sparta |
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Amira
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Posted - 2006.02.27 08:18:00 -
[251]
Originally by: DB Preacher That title is a contradiction in terms. dbp
I don't agree, but I think that's really funny anyway.
Interstellar Exodus [IE-EX] is the Stain Executor corp.
Boofer was correct when he said that Trig is a spiritual leader in SA, though the rest of his reply was mostly junk. Orc A is the official diplomat, which means ideally the things he posts here are a reflection of the decisions and opinions of the CEO council that actually runs SA's overall strategy. Lately, though, he has been engaging the BoB forum blob, which confuses things a little if you don't know how to read between the lines.
I think the OP had a decent question. The following flames, however, muddied the issue a bit.
"The Spartans ask not how many, but where they are." -Agis II of Sparta |

dalman
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Posted - 2006.02.27 08:23:00 -
[252]
Originally by: DB Preacher That title is a contradiction in terms.
dbp
Why don't you read the post above yours as well as these two and go deal with the fact that it's you and your ilk who's the main reason for this instead of just continuing to make 'fun' remarks to look like some 14 year old jackass.
Drink up, shoot in. Let the beating begin. Distributor of pain. Your loss becomes my gain...
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dalman
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Posted - 2006.02.27 08:23:00 -
[253]
Originally by: DB Preacher That title is a contradiction in terms.
dbp
Why don't you read the post above yours as well as these two and go deal with the fact that it's you and your ilk who's the main reason for this instead of just continuing to make 'fun' remarks to look like some 14 year old jackass.
Drink up, shoot in. Let the beating begin. Distributor of pain. Your loss becomes my gain...
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dalman
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Posted - 2006.02.27 08:23:00 -
[254]
Originally by: DB Preacher That title is a contradiction in terms.
dbp
Why don't you read the post above yours as well as these two and go deal with the fact that it's you and your ilk who's the main reason for this instead of just continuing to make 'fun' remarks to look like some 14 year old jackass.
Drink up, shoot in. Let the beating begin. Distributor of pain. Your loss becomes my gain...
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dalman
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Posted - 2006.02.27 08:23:00 -
[255]
Originally by: DB Preacher That title is a contradiction in terms.
dbp
Why don't you read the post above yours as well as these two and go deal with the fact that it's you and your ilk who's the main reason for this instead of just continuing to make 'fun' remarks to look like some 14 year old jackass.
Drink up, shoot in. Let the beating begin. Distributor of pain. Your loss becomes my gain...
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dalman
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Posted - 2006.02.27 08:23:00 -
[256]
Originally by: DB Preacher That title is a contradiction in terms.
dbp
Why don't you read the post above yours as well as these two and go deal with the fact that it's you and your ilk who's the main reason for this instead of just continuing to make 'fun' remarks to look like some 14 year old jackass.
Drink up, shoot in. Let the beating begin. Distributor of pain. Your loss becomes my gain...
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dalman
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Posted - 2006.02.27 08:23:00 -
[257]
Originally by: DB Preacher That title is a contradiction in terms.
dbp
Why don't you read the post above yours as well as these two and go deal with the fact that it's you and your ilk who's the main reason for this instead of just continuing to make 'fun' remarks to look like some 14 year old jackass.
Drink up, shoot in. Let the beating begin. Distributor of pain. Your loss becomes my gain...
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Avon
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Posted - 2006.02.27 09:14:00 -
[258]
Edited by: Avon on 27/02/2006 09:23:33 dalman, I see where you are comming from, but I don't agree.
You are saying that SA were mistreated because BoB threatened action if conflict spread in to Querious.
However, it should be clear to you why conflict between two of BoB's friends should not be allowed in that region, and why BoB would take action to prevent it.
If SA agreed to refrain from hunting FIX in Querious, then there would be no action. That is friendly advice.
Let us turn around your arguement.
You claim that BoB and SA should have resolved this as friends, not as master and slave, right?
So, when your friend said, "fighting in my yard is unacceptable, I will not put up with it", should SA not have respected the wishes of their friend rather than saying, "we don't care, we'll do what ever we want, in fact we are comming in to your yard and kicking over your gnomes!"?
You claim you have been mistreated, but who really betrayed the friendship?
I doubt you even understand what friendship is.
Added: dalman, if you saw two of your friends fighting in the street, one on the floor bleeding, the other about to kick him in the head, what would you do? Would you try to stop the fight and resolve the issues, or would you pick a side and help one friend hurt another? And if the 'winning' friend wouldn't stop, even after you have asked him to, would you sit by and watch him kill the other?
The Battleships is not and should not be a solo pwnmobile - Oveur |

Dracorimus
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Posted - 2006.02.27 09:14:00 -
[259]
Edited by: Dracorimus on 27/02/2006 09:14:46 Well, whatever happens, these forums sure do make a difference 
Still very curious as to how a fun comment can be misconstrude into a threat though, and a pre-emptive strike then literally 10 minutes later a war dec thrown at us.
Must have been planned for some time though eh, logistically speaking and all this "BOB can't tell us what to do" ranting, I'm leaning towards the fact that you had this planned for a while... -
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hezie99
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Posted - 2006.02.27 09:41:00 -
[260]
Originally by: Avon Edited by: Avon on 27/02/2006 09:23:33 dalman, I see where you are comming from, but I don't agree.
You are saying that SA were mistreated because BoB threatened action if conflict spread in to Querious.
However, it should be clear to you why conflict between two of BoB's friends should not be allowed in that region, and why BoB would take action to prevent it.
If SA agreed to refrain from hunting FIX in Querious, then there would be no action. That is friendly advice.
Let us turn around your arguement.
You claim that BoB and SA should have resolved this as friends, not as master and slave, right?
So, when your friend said, "fighting in my yard is unacceptable, I will not put up with it", should SA not have respected the wishes of their friend rather than saying, "we don't care, we'll do what ever we want, in fact we are comming in to your yard and kicking over your gnomes!"?
You claim you have been mistreated, but who really betrayed the friendship?
I doubt you even understand what friendship is.
Added: dalman, if you saw two of your friends fighting in the street, one on the floor bleeding, the other about to kick him in the head, what would you do? Would you try to stop the fight and resolve the issues, or would you pick a side and help one friend hurt another? And if the 'winning' friend wouldn't stop, even after you have asked him to, would you sit by and watch him kill the other?
i was under the impression that querious belonged to FiX not u so how was it YOUR yard
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Mauxir
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Posted - 2006.02.27 09:42:00 -
[261]
Edited by: Mauxir on 27/02/2006 09:42:24 Avon your alliance has been saving the FIX ass so many times its not even funny.
Your example is funny as well. FIX have been provoking SA every chance they get and when they get slaped back they run back to BOB to make it all better.
We resolved this issue once when BoB "asked" us as friends. Then FIX started to do the same thing and when they were against the ropes then you step in.
FIX and BOB remind me of a big bully and a small kid that pokes other people then runs to the big bully for cover. You BoB are keeping alive an alliance that has poked us for far too long. Thats the main problem you dont want to solve this issue in our mutual best interest you want to solve it in your best interest.
Face it you have a yard with some rabid gnomes that need to be taken behind the shed and shot.
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Avon
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Posted - 2006.02.27 09:48:00 -
[262]
Originally by: Mauxir Edited by: Mauxir on 27/02/2006 09:42:24 Avon your alliance has been saving the FIX ass so many times its not even funny.
Your example is funny as well. FIX have been provoking SA every chance they get and when they get slaped back they run back to BOB to make it all better.
We resolved this issue once when BoB "asked" us as friends. Then FIX started to do the same thing and when they were against the ropes then you step in.
FIX and BOB remind me of a big bully and a small kid that pokes other people then runs to the big bully for cover. You BoB are keeping alive an alliance that has poked us for far too long. Thats the main problem you dont want to solve this issue in our mutual best interest you want to solve it in your best interest.
Face it you have a yard with some rabid gnomes that need to be taken behind the shed and shot.
You are trying to fo the FIX ran to BoB thing again, and we all know that in this case that just isn't true.
If we had wanted to take sides we would have.
The Battleships is not and should not be a solo pwnmobile - Oveur |

Mauxir
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Posted - 2006.02.27 09:54:00 -
[263]
Thats not the point!
The point is FIX know that they can do whatever they want and that at the end of the story you will step up and save them.
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dalman
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Posted - 2006.02.27 09:55:00 -
[264]
Originally by: Avon Edited by: Avon on 27/02/2006 09:23:33 dalman, I see where you are comming from, but I don't agree.
You are saying that SA were mistreated because BoB threatened action if conflict spread in to Querious.
However, it should be clear to you why conflict between two of BoB's friends should not be allowed in that region, and why BoB would take action to prevent it.
If SA agreed to refrain from hunting FIX in Querious, then there would be no action. That is friendly advice.
Let us turn around your arguement.
You claim that BoB and SA should have resolved this as friends, not as master and slave, right?
So, when your friend said, "fighting in my yard is unacceptable, I will not put up with it", should SA not have respected the wishes of their friend rather than saying, "we don't care, we'll do what ever we want, in fact we are comming in to your yard and kicking over your gnomes!"?
You claim you have been mistreated, but who really betrayed the friendship?
I doubt you even understand what friendship is.
Added: dalman, if you saw two of your friends fighting in the street, one on the floor bleeding, the other about to kick him in the head, what would you do? Would you try to stop the fight and resolve the issues, or would you pick a side and help one friend hurt another? And if the 'winning' friend wouldn't stop, even after you have asked him to, would you sit by and watch him kill the other?
Spot on!
*1 "if conflict spread in to Querious" - the conflict had already raged in querious for weeks. First thing MASS did in the conflict was to go lock down H74. After a while we relocated to FAT and just did daily tours in H74/9CG etc.
*2 "and why BoB would take action to prevent it." - no you did not. You completely failed to take action to prevent it. As you had earlier forced a NAP between us you should have been pro-active and stepped in when FIX took Catch during the SA civil war - and you should def have stepped in the second FIX declared us hostile. Stepping in when FIX is about to die is not to prevent.
* 3 "You claim that BoB and SA should have resolved this as friends, not as master and slave, right?
So, when your friend said, "fighting in my yard is unacceptable, I will not put up with it", should SA not have respected the wishes of their friend rather than saying, "we don't care, we'll do what ever we want, in fact we are comming in to your yard and kicking over your gnomes!"?
You claim you have been mistreated, but who really betrayed the friendship?" As has been said, only a few % of the BoB members saw us as friends. The rest are arrogant fools and expressed very different views. The combination of this, the 2 points mentioned above, and the very short timeframe in which you tried to force this solution meant it was impossible.
*4 Added: dalman, if you saw two of your friends fighting in the street, one on the floor bleeding, the other about to kick him in the head, what would you do? Would you try to stop the fight and resolve the issues, or would you pick a side and help one friend hurt another? And if the 'winning' friend wouldn't stop, even after you have asked him to, would you sit by and watch him kill the other? In this situation - where one of your friends have been continously offending the other one officially, been trying to steal his belongings and started to fight him again? And you did nothing to stop anything in this process? - Hell yea, I would expect you to stand by while he gets what he deserves if you're treating your two friends equally.
Drink up, shoot in. Let the beating begin. Distributor of pain. Your loss becomes my gain...
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Avon
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Posted - 2006.02.27 10:01:00 -
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Originally by: dalman Hell yea, I would expect you to stand by while he gets what he deserves if you're treating your two friends equally.
Well, this is where we differ on our definition of friendship.
The Battleships is not and should not be a solo pwnmobile - Oveur |

Mauxir
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Posted - 2006.02.27 10:02:00 -
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Yes we do.
Your definition of friendship is:"If you do what we want you to do you are our friends, if you dont you are our enemies."
Thats not friendship thats slavery and we want no part of it.
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dalman
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Posted - 2006.02.27 10:05:00 -
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Originally by: Avon
Originally by: dalman Hell yea, I would expect you to stand by while he gets what he deserves if you're treating your two friends equally.
Well, this is where we differ on our definition of friendship.
It was very easy. We could agree an end with FIX still living in Querious. With the 1 point - an official surrender from FIX. Same goes for your RL situation. FIX rejected it. Cause they knew BoB would step in and stop them from getting the official humiliation that was the least they deserved.
And our definition of friendship already differs at the fact that you did nothing to stop the ongoing process leading to the situation.
Drink up, shoot in. Let the beating begin. Distributor of pain. Your loss becomes my gain...
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DB Preacher
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Posted - 2006.02.27 10:06:00 -
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Originally by: dalman
Originally by: DB Preacher That title is a contradiction in terms.
dbp
Why don't you read the post above yours as well as these two and go deal with the fact that it's you and your ilk who's the main reason for this instead of just continuing to make 'fun' remarks to look like some 14 year old jackass.
Dalman, you're a pretty sensible guy.
Throughout most alliances there is always one forum ***** who is actually of great interest to read when he posts (e.g. Slothe of MLM, , Woody of CE, Balazs Simon of HUN, Kcel Chem (sp!) of ATUK).
You have always been SA's voice of clarity on the forums and because of this I'll reply to you with the respect you deserve.
You can blame this all on us and say omg you're doing this and omg it's just you guys making this worse.
However, if you actually go back and read through the topics with a clear head, you will see a lot of SA just replying for the sake to try and get a rise out of BoB.
You can then move onto the Orc A posts (the supposed voice of the people of SA) and read the completely contradictory, seemingly off the top of his head comments.
Now I know that the BoB membership put forward their opinions ALOT on the forums and each of us have a different view. But when it comes down to it, you still have SirMolle, Blacklight and Galavet that puts forward the official company line.
You will also see that most of the stuff posted by BoB is pretty much along the same lines.
You can accuse me of posting "omg 14 yr old newb"-esque stuff but for us looking in to your alliance, all we can see is a bunch of crap being spilled onto the forums.
You might think that you have leaderships, you might think that your people are the leaders and Orc A the only true voice reflecting everything the people want.
However, to us looking in it looks like a collection of 13 yr old's who don't have a clue about running an alliance voiced by a 12 yr old who can't remember what he said in the last post.
Seriously Dalman, you might not want to but someone in your alliance needs to take control of the reigns and decide where you are going because right now it looks to us like you are in a wagon filled with dynamite on a freefall down the side of a cliff with no horses at the front.
dbp
Current RKK Ranking: (CAL6) Tanto
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Sarmaul
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Posted - 2006.02.27 10:07:00 -
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Originally by: Mauxir Yes we do.
Your definition of friendship is:"If you do what we want you to do you are our friends, if you dont you are our enemies."
Thats not friendship thats slavery and we want no part of it.
BOB is/was friends to both alliances. They didn't pick sides, they offered a solution that would allow both sides to exist happily, a solution which both FIX AND SA agreed too. In fact, the plans were made between SA and BOB before FIX had any knowledge of them.
It was SA who broke that agreement, not FIX. If one of your friends betrays your trust while the other respects it, who do you stick up for?
Originally by: Zzazzt
Originally by: thoth foc PA doesnt stand for anything..
Punchbag Alliance...
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Avon
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Posted - 2006.02.27 10:09:00 -
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Originally by: dalman
We could agree an end with FIX still living in Querious. With the 1 point - an official surrender from FIX.
Care to explain then why that wasn't the only condition placed by Orc A when he tried to renegotiate the agreed settlement?
The Battleships is not and should not be a solo pwnmobile - Oveur |
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Mauxir
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Posted - 2006.02.27 10:12:00 -
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Well if they never picked sides Sarmaul why do they step up when FIX is getting a beating but they are no where to be seen when FIX set us KOS.
Setting us KOS while we are under attack by G/Iron/Razor is not something friends do to friends and other friends stand by and do nothing.
Face it BoB took a side. The side that serves them the most. And mark my words when they no longer need FIX they will cast you aside.
They are users and manipulators and SA know them as such.
We are no mans slave and we will rather die than live from the crumbs of BoB.
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Avon
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Posted - 2006.02.27 10:21:00 -
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Originally by: Mauxir Well if they never picked sides Sarmaul why do they step up when FIX is getting a beating but they are no where to be seen when FIX set us KOS.
Setting us KOS while we are under attack by G/Iron/Razor is not something friends do to friends and other friends stand by and do nothing.
Face it BoB took a side. The side that serves them the most. And mark my words when they no longer need FIX they will cast you aside.
They are users and manipulators and SA know them as such.
We are no mans slave and we will rather die than live from the crumbs of BoB.
Oh please.
BoB didn't step up. They did everything they could to avoid stepping up. They didn't want to take sides. They did everything they could to avoid taking sides.
Posts like this make SA look pathetic, which is a shame because the majority of them are not.
Stability in the south will never be a realistic prospect whilst you are so wrapped up in your persecution complex to realise who your friends really are.
BoB brokered a deal between FIX and SA which was fair, pragmatic, and realistic. Those who took part in that deal saw it for what it was, and agreed to it. THere was no question then of sides, or master and slave.
SA then backed out of the deal, demanding that their ego be pandered to.
Spin it any way you like, the truth is clear.
The Battleships is not and should not be a solo pwnmobile - Oveur |

Mauxir
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Posted - 2006.02.27 10:26:00 -
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Stability in the south will never be a prospect if you continue on harbouring an alliance that has done nothing but cause problems for us.
I dont know what truth you are reffering to because there are many truths and you only emphasise those that serve your point but thats not the whole picture.
And if you really cared about southern stability you would have stepped up when FIX set SA KOS.
Face it you dont care about southern stability you only care about BoB dominion over the south. I know those two may be synonims to you but they are not.
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wierchas noobhunter
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Posted - 2006.02.27 10:27:00 -
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imao S- A is like orks from warhamer 40000 down of war ...
join soar angelic
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Sarmaul
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Posted - 2006.02.27 10:38:00 -
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Originally by: wierchas noobhunter imao S- A is like orks from warhamer 40000 down of war ...
what, the most original and versatile alliance in EVE? No 
Originally by: Zzazzt
Originally by: thoth foc PA doesnt stand for anything..
Punchbag Alliance...
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wierchas noobhunter
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Posted - 2006.02.27 10:42:00 -
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Originally by: Sarmaul
Originally by: wierchas noobhunter imao S- A is like orks from warhamer 40000 down of war ...
what, the most original and versatile alliance in EVE? No 
nop more like " our boyz can fight any stupid humyz" and stil get owned by space marines, eldar and chaos 
join soar angelic
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Avon
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Posted - 2006.02.27 10:48:00 -
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Edited by: Avon on 27/02/2006 10:48:42
Originally by: Mauxir
And if you really cared about southern stability you would have stepped up when FIX set SA KOS.
Or maybe just before that? It isn't like FIX just changed the standings for fun, is it?
The point is, at some point you have to step back and look at the bigger picture.
The proposed solution would have left everyone in a better position than the one that exists today. Is that not the goal of leaders and diplomats, to get the best possible solution? It is called pragmatism.
The Battleships is not and should not be a solo pwnmobile - Oveur |

Mauxir
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Posted - 2006.02.27 10:51:00 -
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No they changed the standings because SA ran over their cat.
I admit I was speeding and had one too many beers.
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Taurequis
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Posted - 2006.02.27 10:52:00 -
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Originally by: Avon Reply to Dalman
Hi Avon,
This is where I get a touch confused on the issue. When Evol (Bob) wanted to attack FA, at the time a long standing allies of SA in their back yard. SA was faced with the same choice. There was a lot of propaganda on both sides, a lot of chest beating and endless justifications on why each side was right.
But instead of wading in there, or jumping on a band wagon SA choice to be "neutral" as two of their friends went to war over their dispute as it did not involve SA this during the time when SA had a real mission to undertake in the ending of Curse.
Similarly when CFS was being attacked by FA we didnÆt have all of the insider information and were being fed propaganda from both sides to get us involved but again we picked the neutral path and let our neighbours fight out their differences. This while at the same time maintaining a peace keeping force to avoid Curse taking advantage of the situation they were feeding fuel to.
Both times two long term friends fighting on their back door that SA let settle their natural differences in their own way. Neutrality is an option when it means you maintain your friendships. When two groups of friends have real disagreements they need to work out.
But then when it comes to the SA vs. FIX wars Bob seems insistent on jumping in on FIX's side. Real questions could be answered on how FIX has become a better friend to Bob then SA? Why should Molle and co choose to side with one group not the other? Its not really great diplomacy to say "stop fighting or were going to join forces with one side and kill you" to once strong allies who had a genuine grievance with the other side.
Now obviously similarly to Stain during the Curse war didnÆt need to weak back regions where enemy fleets could attack from and through, Bob doesnÆt want a weak FIX leaving the door to Delve open. Additionally I am sure the trading relationship between Bob and FIX is strong.
But at the same time in MolleÆs great northern campaign we saw MASS/SA/SE and co throw all for cause. Tearing apart their alliance on a number of times to deploy their forces. Fighting in every orifice of the galaxy from PA to Iron/G, F-E to FOE, Imperium and even FA joining in the greater Bob cause. Facing the backlash of G/Iron which ripped SA in three (for the better most would say).
And what of FIX, haemorrhaging their pvpers and corporations for months. Who have turned almost without exception into the pirate corps that now plague the catch corridor for all travellers but are still offered safe haven in FIX space. Do you not see they could be the weak link here. Fostering piracy, making land grabs where they can for endlessly more carebearing.
But still Bob choose FIX.
And sure Orc may have fecked up the diplomacy side a touch. But take a step back and assess what Bob was asking SA to do. Stop its victory, stop it war or else. Imagine if SA had stepped in when you had been fighting FA (which I bet they wish they had now) and said ôstop now you have taught them enough of a lesson û you shall not have your victoryö what would have been the under laying feeling of the vast majority of the Bob membership? They would have got up and left. Betrayed by their own leadership and the endless bullsheep politics. Hell maybe thatÆs what Bob wanted. To suck in yet more disgruntled pvpers who wanted nothing but war, by restricting when everyone else gets to fight.
Just think, this is the Bob and Evol that once portrayed itself as free from this crap, the naps, and control of space. But now you seem to be blinded by this pursuit of your mothership, your homeworld.
SA didnÆt want FAT, SA didnÆt want Querious, they just wanted revenge. They would have stopped. That was bloody obvious, but Bob have thrown it out of the window by playing do or die politics.
You could have just stayed out of it and you would have still had your stable south or your great war. BobÆs actions turned this into a disputed limited to 2 regions (moving onto 1 as FIX were so beaten). Into conflict spanning 7, encompassing almost the whole south and a destruction of what would probably be the longest standing treaty of friendship in history.
Bob û the biggest cause of regional destabilisation know to Eve.
My Best Regards and humble opinions,
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Sarmaul
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Posted - 2006.02.27 10:55:00 -
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Originally by: Taurequis But still Bob choose FIX.
After Orc A ****** up one too many times.
Originally by: Zzazzt
Originally by: thoth foc PA doesnt stand for anything..
Punchbag Alliance...
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Avon
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Posted - 2006.02.27 11:13:00 -
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Taurequis:
Thanks for you obviously well thought out reply.
Ultimately, however, one fact remains. A deal was struck. That is not (as far as I can tell) in dispute.
Now, we all know that it is impossible currently to kill an alliance, so what did SA expect to gain by backing out of that deal?
They could go on shooting at FIX ships forever, but to what end? There could never really be any tangible victory.
So SA turned their back on the only real sort of victory you can expect in Eve, only to carry on fighting for one that can never really happen.
BoB didn't deny SA victory, SA did that themselves.
The Battleships is not and should not be a solo pwnmobile - Oveur |

Kahn Moquil
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Posted - 2006.02.27 11:22:00 -
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It's fairly obvious to me why BoB wants FIX to remain in control of Querious. Think of them what you want, but they are a very stable entity, run by intelligent people. Looking at SA's history, and their general behaviour on the forums, you can't exactly call them stable.
Who'd you rather have as a neighbour? An alliance you know you can trust once you've made a deal with them, or an alliance that gives off the impression that its leadership is in turmoil, and likes to see as many red squares in space as possible?
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hezie99
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Posted - 2006.02.27 11:30:00 -
[283]
tbh i dont see the point anymore bob and sa have hardly engaged apart from a few skirmishes, it all happend lets deal with it and stop forum whoring about who is rite and who is wrong, its a waste of bandwidth and my reading time :)
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Sarmaul
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Posted - 2006.02.27 11:33:00 -
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Originally by: hezie99 tbh i dont see the point anymore bob and sa have hardly engaged apart from a few skirmishes, it all happend lets deal with it and stop forum whoring about who is rite and who is wrong, its a waste of bandwidth and my reading time :)
if you can suggest something else for everyone who's bored at work to do I would love to hear it 
Invalid options: Work.
Originally by: Zzazzt
Originally by: thoth foc PA doesnt stand for anything..
Punchbag Alliance...
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Taurequis
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Posted - 2006.02.27 11:35:00 -
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Edited by: Taurequis on 27/02/2006 11:36:12 Hi Avon,
Another way of putting it would be Bob put SA in an exceedingly uncomfortable position which they never should have.
Do what we say or die.
Which can be seen in the short period of negotiations (a day yes?) caused friction and miss communication in the SA leadership as well as disgust and vast disappointment in the SA membership.
Neutrality with mediation over time would have been the correct political solution. Bob seems to have forced the issue from the initial chats with Trigger trying to shoehorn itÆs solution which really doesnÆt take into consideration the under laying feeling of the SA membership in regards to the FIX war. Hell just think of how Trig must have felt when Molle pushed their friendship like that.
What options was SA left with, do as Bob says, loosing the faith of its warriors for a second time (remember what happened the last time the FIX war ended, SA/SE/Coalition etc). And remember SA thinks it is justified and right in its actions against FIX.
Or do they stand up and stop being dictated to by a ôfriendö who by all appearances had already chosen to side with FIX (as was made clear in the forum posts by bob members offering support to FIX throughout the war, on the FIX website etc).
As has been gone over 100 times before, Bob could have made its intentions clear at the point when FIX set Stain to 0.0 standings when they both used the NBSI catch corridor (during the height of the G/Iron invasion which SA was actively fighting and Bob was busy exploiting in Iron Space). Or intervened to prevent the ex-FIX corps (who all seem to be close supporters of Bob from their forum posts), openly pirating in catch etc.
I can understand the sentiment and justification of what the Bob leadership and members are saying for why they are going so hostile to SA now.
It just rings shallow in the overall historical context, timescale and wider complexity of the FIX vs SA war and SA vs Bob relationship.
Bob picked FIX over SA is what it comes down to and Stain feels mightily letdown by that.
My Best Regards and humble opinions,
Taurequis
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Too Kind
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Posted - 2006.02.27 11:46:00 -
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Originally by: Rexthor Hammerfists from what ive understand from the logs and orca`s answers it seems sa is lead by a council of the ceos.
First I read 'council of chaos'. Funny. Sorry I'm a foolish alt.   Anyway, best wishes to SA. 
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It WasntMe
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Posted - 2006.02.27 11:49:00 -
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G/Iron which ripped SA in three (for the better most would say).
thats not the case, iron had nothing to do with that
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Macsine
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Posted - 2006.02.27 11:56:00 -
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Edited by: Macsine on 27/02/2006 11:57:55 Nice to see some reasonable posts besides all that flaming and propaganda.
Imho the war between SA and FIX happened mainly because both sides didn't really care about avoiding it. It seems that the whole thing errupted over FIX closing their borders to SA. The timing could be coincidence but it clearly favored SA back then: They came in with allies and more capital ships than FIX. Basically it was the lack of capital ships that caused FIX to hold still as they did during the FAT campaign. It was important to deny SA the ability to use FAT as a jump-off point for dreads into Querious. When FIX lost FAT, that policy became obsolete and FIX offered SA a ceasefire and a new status quo. That was when SA was holding victory in their hands. And lost it again in a major misinterpretatoin of the situation: SA thought (pretty much still thinks) that FIX was militarily destroyed. That was a misconception insofar as even during the height of the war some of the more Querious based FIX corps were never more involved in FAT than with a few ships. With the loss of FAT there wasn't anything left to fight for than Querious, FIX's home turf long before they aquired FAT. This led SA leadership to call off the ceasefire, thinking that FIX was down to having to accept terms. They did that in a way that brought BoB against them. And they did it in a way that provided a major morale boost to FIX: while all the little events that led to the war are fairly muddled, with both sided being involved in the development, the terms that Orc A delivered after a ceasefire was agreed upon caused an uproar within FIX. And this time things worked out for FIX: 1. The lack of capital ships was overcome by hiring some muscle who took out SA's POSes in FAT. 2. At the same time FIX's capital ship programm started to show first results and FIX is right now rapidly catching up in that area, something SA leadership apparently forgot to consider: that the apparent weakness in capital ships was a temporary (!) weakness. It was important to take advantage of it while it lasted. SA had almost acomplished it - and then they missed their tide. 3. The obvious hostility of the terms delivered to FIX not only brought in a lot of Southern entities against SA but also alienated some former SA allies who thought it was an improper thing to do.
Back to the OP's question: From my point of view it seems as if the mob has taken over. There must be a lot of ill feeling within SA right now: seeing a successful campaign turning from victory to desaster. From what's been posted it seems SA isn't willing or capable to see their own mistakes in this, so the grunts are probably left with this "everybody turned against us" feeling and are right now more inclined to running amok than to listen to mediation.
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CamMan
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Posted - 2006.02.27 12:03:00 -
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Originally by: Taurequis Edited by: Taurequis on 27/02/2006 11:36:12 Hi Avon,
Another way of putting it would be Bob put SA in an exceedingly uncomfortable position which they never should have.
Do what we say or die.
OMG! dont normally comment on forums but this post amazed me enough to reply.
Taurequis, you seem like an intelligent person, and you can comment on forums without flaming, but really where did you get the above ideas from?
Molle, hosted peace talks between the leaders of FIX and the leader of SA (trigger). An agreeable deal was accepted by all.
Then the next day some random Orc A, out of no where comes up with a new list of demands and belittles triggers agreement and authority. He demands that FIX accept them or else the war is back on, he then demands that BoB accept his actions or else BoB are also against SA (in his twisted mind anyway).
How exactly is that Molle putting SA in an awkward position? More like SA, sorry let me be more specific Orc A, putting BoB in an awkward position.
Most of BoB have a lot of respect for most of SA, the main problem in SA is there leadership, why let a person like Orc A negotiate when you have far better leaders like trigger?
SA is a good alliance, it is a shame that they can not get good and consistant leadership.
Originally by: Bender Interesting, no the other one ... tedious
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Orc A
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Posted - 2006.02.27 12:08:00 -
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Quote: Who'd you rather have as a neighbour? An alliance you know you can trust once you've made a deal with them, or an alliance that gives off the impression that its leadership is in turmoil, and likes to see as many red squares in space as possible?
One that fights, one that is not a carebear alliance. But then again, who do you think produces capitals for Bob? My guess would be FiX. The way i see it, they didn't even choose FiX over SA. They Chose Isk over SA.
Also, SirMolle did not post the chatlogs in which I personally have suggested that after FiX is dead, if it pleases them, they can get to decide who the next resident of Querious will be, even if it means FiX under a diffrent banner.
And still, they chose the safe-isk-fix way. **** happens.
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j0sephine
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Posted - 2006.02.27 12:11:00 -
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"And our definition of friendship already differs at the fact that you did nothing to stop the ongoing process leading to the situation."
I'd think it's actually something to be appreciated, if one doesn't jump into conflict the very moment it occurs, but gives the persons involved time to sort things out on their own ... and only tries to stop the ball when it really gets out of hand. (to the point where someone is likely to die)
A difference between friendship of mature adults, and acting like a mother handling couple of brainless two year olds, if you will. ^^;
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Trakh Shardan
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Posted - 2006.02.27 12:11:00 -
[292]
Originally by: DB Preacher
Originally by: dalman
Originally by: DB Preacher That title is a contradiction in terms.
dbp
Why don't you read the post above yours as well as these two and go deal with the fact that it's you and your ilk who's the main reason for this instead of just continuing to make 'fun' remarks to look like some 14 year old jackass.
Dalman, you're a pretty sensible guy.
Throughout most alliances there is always one forum ***** who is actually of great interest to read when he posts (e.g. Slothe of MLM, , Woody of CE, Balazs Simon of HUN, Kcel Chem (sp!) of ATUK).
You have always been SA's voice of clarity on the forums and because of this I'll reply to you with the respect you deserve.
You can blame this all on us and say omg you're doing this and omg it's just you guys making this worse.
However, if you actually go back and read through the topics with a clear head, you will see a lot of SA just replying for the sake to try and get a rise out of BoB.
You can then move onto the Orc A posts (the supposed voice of the people of SA) and read the completely contradictory, seemingly off the top of his head comments.
Now I know that the BoB membership put forward their opinions ALOT on the forums and each of us have a different view. But when it comes down to it, you still have SirMolle, Blacklight and Galavet that puts forward the official company line.
You will also see that most of the stuff posted by BoB is pretty much along the same lines.
You can accuse me of posting "omg 14 yr old newb"-esque stuff but for us looking in to your alliance, all we can see is a bunch of crap being spilled onto the forums.
You might think that you have leaderships, you might think that your people are the leaders and Orc A the only true voice reflecting everything the people want.
However, to us looking in it looks like a collection of 13 yr old's who don't have a clue about running an alliance voiced by a 12 yr old who can't remember what he said in the last post.
Seriously Dalman, you might not want to but someone in your alliance needs to take control of the reigns and decide where you are going because right now it looks to us like you are in a wagon filled with dynamite on a freefall down the side of a cliff with no horses at the front.
dbp
can I pls add that U rly talk to mutch ???
thanks
U talk to mutch dont U makinmg ya self look like A fool like most of the ppl that go on forum !
and on topic ofc TRIGGER wil always be the man of SA he made it hapen for all the SA members atm !
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Sarmaul
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Posted - 2006.02.27 12:11:00 -
[293]
Originally by: Orc A
Quote: Who'd you rather have as a neighbour? An alliance you know you can trust once you've made a deal with them, or an alliance that gives off the impression that its leadership is in turmoil, and likes to see as many red squares in space as possible?
One that fights, one that is not a carebear alliance. But then again, who do you think produces capitals for Bob? My guess would be FiX. The way i see it, they didn't even choose FiX over SA. They Chose Isk over SA.
Also, SirMolle did not post the chatlogs in which I personally have suggested that after FiX is dead, if it pleases them, they can get to decide who the next resident of Querious will be, even if it means FiX under a diffrent banner.
And still, they chose the safe-isk-fix way. **** happens.
if you had any credibility left, it would've gone with that post. good job.
* cue deliberatly slow clapping
Originally by: Zzazzt
Originally by: thoth foc PA doesnt stand for anything..
Punchbag Alliance...
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DB Preacher
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Posted - 2006.02.27 12:13:00 -
[294]
Originally by: Orc A
One that fights, one that is not a carebear alliance. But then again, who do you think produces capitals for Bob? My guess would be FiX. The way i see it, they didn't even choose FiX over SA. They Chose Isk over SA.
Sorry but you are completely and utterly incorrect.
BoB produces capital ships for BoB, no-one else.
Fix have been our neighbours for a long time since we bartered our nap with them. They have been completely autonomous during that time and have never asked nor given anything.
I understand it must be hard for you to see how real alliances work with the talking and the respect and the diplomacy since you haven't got a clue about any of it.
Seriously Orc, I didn't think you could do a worse job of making your alliance look stupid than you already have but everytime you open your mouth on the forums my opinion lowers just that little bit more :/
dbp
Current RKK Ranking: (CAL6) Tanto
Drop by and say hi in Reikoku Forums.
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Orc A
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Posted - 2006.02.27 12:15:00 -
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Quote: Most of BoB have a lot of respect for most of SA, the main problem in SA is there leadership, why let a person like Orc A negotiate when you have far better leaders like trigger?
The point you are still missing as that Trigger, after considering for a while supprots my actions (which are the actions of the alliance, as i have already explain, I dont call the shots, i just relay them).
As I also mentioned, there were some communication bloopers invovled, but rest assured, even if they never accured, it would not have been me changing the terms the following day, it would have been perhaps Trigger himself or perhaps another Diplomat for The SA.
You left us no choice. You made us make a choice between our Honour and Peace. Seeing as Peace is Boring (I'm sure all can agree), And Honour is a very important thing to us, Our choice could not have been diffrent no matter what.
Perhaps if FiX's Surrender post was alittle more convincing and more "Surrendering" rather then "ceasefiring", this could be avoided.
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Orc A
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Posted - 2006.02.27 12:18:00 -
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Incase it wasnt clear, the Capital ship theory is just a theory. You can replace The capitals with any Isk-related factor. Your narrow mindness amazes me over and over.
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thebold
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Posted - 2006.02.27 12:20:00 -
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PRIMARY TARGET AVON Frigs Scramble db preacher secondry target Dracorimus nos there friga...
ow wait
you spin me right round baby right round like a record...?
bored of the forums yet?:/
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Orc A
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Posted - 2006.02.27 12:21:00 -
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Quote: "And our definition of friendship already differs at the fact that you did nothing to stop the ongoing process leading to the situation."
Infact, When the hostillities began, I was contacted by blacklight. Infact, Those are the Logs that molle didnt post.
Blacklight asked how the war was going etc, and at a point, asked what would we prefer BoB do in this conflict. I immidiatlly asked of him that BoB remain neutral in this one and don't **** the party for both sides by adding overwhelming numbers to either side.
Not only that, but for the sakes of Fair play i asked him to Offially (publiclly, on the forums) deny us permission to use delve NPC stations as attack grounds vs FiX.
Where are those logs, molle?
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DB Preacher
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Posted - 2006.02.27 12:25:00 -
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Originally by: Orc A Incase it wasnt clear, the Capital ship theory is just a theory. You can replace The capitals with any Isk-related factor. Your narrow mindness amazes me over and over.
And you can replace "any isk-related factor" with absolutely no isk related factor at all.
Your paranoid delusions amaze me over and over.
dbp
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thedragoon
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Posted - 2006.02.27 12:28:00 -
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Originally by: Mauxir Yes we do.
Your definition of friendship is:"If you do what we want you to do you are our friends, if you dont you are our enemies."
Thats not friendship thats slavery and we want no part of it.
QFTT
Thats prolly the most true post i have ever seen on the forums.
have to say that We have left SA alone becuse they are one of the only player owned alliance in the game that has Balls
As far as bob goes and of there friends are simply puppets on a string
Tribal Souls POS ASCN FIVE
to name but a few all of the above mentioned are puppets and muppets and do not deserve any place in 0 sec space.
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zincol
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Posted - 2006.02.27 12:28:00 -
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Originally by: DB Preacher
Originally by: Orc A Incase it wasnt clear, the Capital ship theory is just a theory. You can replace The capitals with any Isk-related factor. Your narrow mindness amazes me over and over.
And you can replace "any isk-related factor" with absolutely no isk related factor at all.
Your paranoid delusions amaze me over and over.
dbp
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Mauxir
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Posted - 2006.02.27 12:29:00 -
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Edited by: Mauxir on 27/02/2006 12:29:46 Its no secret why BoB want FIX in Querious. FIX are the meatshield that prevent the lesser forces from going into delve and keep the route to empire clear. So when BoB are saying that they were not taking sides you know they are talking out of their asses.
That is proven that they only steped in when their direct interest was endangered and that was the possibility of FIX losing Querious.
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Orc A
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Posted - 2006.02.27 12:29:00 -
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Foreseeing all possible scenarios is often confused with Paranoia
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j0sephine
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Posted - 2006.02.27 12:31:00 -
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"Infact, When the hostillities began, I was contacted by blacklight. Infact, Those are the Logs that molle didnt post.
Blacklight asked how the war was going etc, and at a point, asked what would we prefer BoB do in this conflict. I immidiatlly asked of him that BoB remain neutral in this one and don't **** the party for both sides by adding overwhelming numbers to either side."
... So, in fact, BoB did offer to step in early, and the reason it didn't was, the very party that now complains about no early intervention asked them to not get involved, and was granted that wish?
mind boggles. :/
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Nifel
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Posted - 2006.02.27 12:31:00 -
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Originally by: Mauxir Edited by: Mauxir on 27/02/2006 12:29:46 Its no secret why BoB want FIX in Querious. FIX are the meatshield that prevent the lesser forces from going into delve and keep the route to empire clear. So when BoB are saying that they were not taking sides you know they are talking out of their asses.
That is proven that they only steped in when their direct interest was endangered and that was the possibility of FIX losing Querious.
BoB mostly go through Sakht these days when we're going to empire. And we have Imp inefficently trying to put some pressure at us from Aridia. Next loony theory please...
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DB Preacher
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Posted - 2006.02.27 12:33:00 -
[306]
Originally by: Mauxir Edited by: Mauxir on 27/02/2006 12:29:46 Its no secret why BoB want FIX in Querious. FIX are the meatshield that prevent the lesser forces from going into delve and keep the route to empire clear. So when BoB are saying that they were not taking sides you know they are talking out of their asses.
That is proven that they only steped in when their direct interest was endangered and that was the possibility of FIX losing Querious.
What?
So BoB wants a stable alliance who are decent to talk to and have the ability to work with us to sort out any problems that appear.
Or we could have left SA to attack and maybe had the possibilty of a bunch of kiddies who are afraid to defend any NPC stations in place, have no goals of any kind and can't hold a simple agreement in place and who decided to attack us based on Orc A's delusions.
Yes, I can see why that might be a tricky choice.
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Trooper B99
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Posted - 2006.02.27 12:33:00 -
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Originally by: Trakh Shardan !
Heh Trakh, talkings part of the game especially between people who right side or wrong side in a conflict respect each other to a degree (and especially those people like the Scots who luuuuurve to hear the sound of their own voice . . .metaphorically speaking of course as this is typing ).
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DB Preacher
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Posted - 2006.02.27 12:34:00 -
[308]
Originally by: Trooper B99
Originally by: Trakh Shardan !
Heh Trakh, talkings part of the game especially between people who right side or wrong side in a conflict respect each other to a degree (and especially those people like the Scots who luuuuurve to hear the sound of their own voice . . .metaphorically speaking of course as this is typing ).
All the ladies love my voice... I can't run a fleet without kryztal and lianhuan coming just to listen :x
dbp
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Mauxir
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Posted - 2006.02.27 12:34:00 -
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So you admit to taking sides?
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DB Preacher
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Posted - 2006.02.27 12:36:00 -
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Originally by: Mauxir So you admit to taking sides?
err, duh...
After your alliance showed how useless it was, broke the agreement, attacked us and continually talk crap on the forums... we are now at war with you on the "other side".
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Mauxir
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Posted - 2006.02.27 12:41:00 -
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Edited by: Mauxir on 27/02/2006 12:42:41 Edited by: Mauxir on 27/02/2006 12:41:21 You can wiggle all you want but its clear your mind was made up long before we did anything to you.
And to be perfectly honest I have no regrets that we are shooting eachother. With your tone and attitude towards everyone else Im just surprised you dont have more enemies.
You think you are better than everyone in this game and that somehow you have the right to look down on everybody and dictate to them how they should live.
Thank God that we have to balls to stand up to tyrants like you and make it clear that you may have half of Eve in fear of you but thankfully not Stain Alliance.
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DB Preacher
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Posted - 2006.02.27 12:44:00 -
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Edited by: DB Preacher on 27/02/2006 12:45:31
Originally by: Mauxir Edited by: Mauxir on 27/02/2006 12:41:21 You can wiggle all you want but its clear your mind was made up long before we did anything to you.
If our mind was made up then why did we bother attempting to organise the agreement in the first place?
Why did we waste time trying to come to a diplomatic solution?
You SA idiots made this, no-one else.
I understand it must be very difficult to take responsibility for your paranoid, delusional actions but seriously, start looking internally rather than externally at what caused you to be in the situation you are now.
Oh and if you are happy at the situation, then why the hell are you spieling rubbish onto the forums about it?
Dbp
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Tweety Bird
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Posted - 2006.02.27 12:47:00 -
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Originally by: DB Preacher
Your paranoid delusions amaze me over and over.
dbp
there isnt much needed to amaze you now is it? ------------------------------------------------------------ Proud Owner of 4 150mm II railgun bpo's
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Mauxir
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Posted - 2006.02.27 12:48:00 -
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You bothered to "organise" it because you thought we would swallow whatever **** you wanted us to swallow.
We didnt agree to your commands and now we are here. You dictated terms and told us "how it would be". You spoke to us with a tone of a master to a slave and now you are surprise that the slave has had enough of your mistreatment and has risen for his rights?
Only wish we had done this the first time around.
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DB Preacher
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Posted - 2006.02.27 12:52:00 -
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Originally by: Mauxir Edited by: Mauxir on 27/02/2006 12:48:12 You bothered to "organise" it because you thought we would swallow whatever **** you wanted us to swallow.
We didnt agree to your commands and now we are here. You dictated terms and told us "how it would be". You spoke to us with a tone of a master to a slave and now you are surprised that the slave has had enough of your mistreatment and has risen for his rights?
Only wish we had done this the first time around.
Yep, here we are.
So where is that exactly?
Oh yeah, you guys running around in t1 frigs and cruisers ganking some dudes based from NPC stations.
FIX in querious, BoB in delve controlling their own space, own pos, own stations.
I'd say that you are nothing but the Alliance equivelant of Burn Eden but at least they can afford to come out in ravens.
dbp
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Trooper B99
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Posted - 2006.02.27 12:54:00 -
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Edited by: Trooper B99 on 27/02/2006 12:54:47
Originally by: Mauxir We didnt agree to your commands and now we are here. You dictated terms and told us "how it would be". You spoke to us with a tone of a master to a slave and now you are surprised that the slave has had enough of your mistreatment and has risen for his rights?
Only wish we had done this the first time around.
Just a quick question, do you think TRIGGER was slave when he was in with negotiating the first deal with FIX and BOB?
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Mauxir
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Posted - 2006.02.27 12:55:00 -
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What perplexes me DB Preacher is that you keep calling SA insignificant and the equivalent to BE (who btw have a very nice k/d ratio). But if we are so weak and insignificant why did you need to step in and save FIX.
I mean our little rock throving alliance, as you put it, certanly had no chance against your best buddies FIX. Or am I wrong about it?
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Nick Curso
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Posted - 2006.02.27 12:56:00 -
[318]
Bord at work maux?
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DB Preacher
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Posted - 2006.02.27 12:56:00 -
[319]
Originally by: Mauxir What perplexes me DB Preacher is that you keep calling SA insignificant and the equivalent to BE (who btw have a very nice k/d ratio). But if we are so weak and insignificant why did you need to step in and save FIX.
I mean our little rock throving alliance, as you put it, certanly had no chance against your best buddies FIX. Or am I wrong about it?
I'd like to hear your answer to Trooper.
dbp
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Lama Zpiff
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Posted - 2006.02.27 12:57:00 -
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I know this doesn't concern me at all, but I just don't understand why SA leadership couldn't be happy with defeating FIX and accept the terms brokered by Trigger?
Anyone following eve-politics already knew SA had won the fix-war.. From a third person view, why don't you (SA) get back to the negotiating table and get that first deal back on track? I guess Orc A won't have that much cred with bob right now so just get someone else.. Hell, I could do it (for the right price! ) !
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Mauxir
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Posted - 2006.02.27 12:57:00 -
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Originally by: Trooper B99 Edited by: Trooper B99 on 27/02/2006 12:54:47
Originally by: Mauxir We didnt agree to your commands and now we are here. You dictated terms and told us "how it would be". You spoke to us with a tone of a master to a slave and now you are surprised that the slave has had enough of your mistreatment and has risen for his rights?
Only wish we had done this the first time around.
Just a quick question, do you think TRIGGER was slave when he was in with negotiating the first deal with FIX and BOB?
You tell me what do you call a person that has no other way out than comply or die?
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Mauxir
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Posted - 2006.02.27 12:58:00 -
[322]
Yeah Im figthing the BoB forum blob alone. Could use some backup. 
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thebold
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Posted - 2006.02.27 12:58:00 -
[323]
Originally by: DB Preacher
Originally by: Mauxir Edited by: Mauxir on 27/02/2006 12:48:12 You bothered to "organise" it because you thought we would swallow whatever **** you wanted us to swallow.
We didnt agree to your commands and now we are here. You dictated terms and told us "how it would be". You spoke to us with a tone of a master to a slave and now you are surprised that the slave has had enough of your mistreatment and has risen for his rights?
Only wish we had done this the first time around.
Yep, here we are.
So where is that exactly?
Oh yeah, you guys running around in t1 frigs and cruisers ganking some dudes based from NPC stations.
FIX in querious, BoB in delve controlling their own space, own pos, own stations.
I'd say that you are nothing but the Alliance equivelant of Burn Eden but at least they can afford to come out in ravens.
dbp
those npc stations in blood raider space
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DB Preacher
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Posted - 2006.02.27 13:02:00 -
[324]
Originally by: Mauxir
Originally by: Trooper B99 Edited by: Trooper B99 on 27/02/2006 12:54:47
Originally by: Mauxir We didnt agree to your commands and now we are here. You dictated terms and told us "how it would be". You spoke to us with a tone of a master to a slave and now you are surprised that the slave has had enough of your mistreatment and has risen for his rights?
Only wish we had done this the first time around.
Just a quick question, do you think TRIGGER was slave when he was in with negotiating the first deal with FIX and BOB?
You tell me what do you call a person that has no other way out than comply or die?
Riiiiight,
So SA members now think that Trigger was SirMolle's slave.
Genius.
dbp
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Orc A
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Posted - 2006.02.27 13:03:00 -
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Quote: If our mind was made up then why did we bother attempting to organise the agreement in the first place?
Because you are lazy? Because you needed to know inadvance if you'll need or wont need to cease your mining ops in favour of millitary action?
The logs Molle posted are proof enough that BoB planned a strike on SA as a failsafe plan - They took it for granted we will obey their orders.
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Mauxir
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Posted - 2006.02.27 13:03:00 -
[326]
Well if he was anything other than that then Molle sure has a funny way of treating his friends.
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Hardin
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Posted - 2006.02.27 13:06:00 -
[327]
STAIN'S LEADERSHIP - A MOVIE
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DB Preacher
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Posted - 2006.02.27 13:06:00 -
[328]
Originally by: Orc A
Quote: If our mind was made up then why did we bother attempting to organise the agreement in the first place?
Because you are lazy? Because you needed to know inadvance if you'll need or wont need to cease your mining ops in favour of millitary action?
The logs Molle posted are proof enough that BoB planned a strike on SA as a failsafe plan - They took it for granted we will obey their orders.
Please, buy a tinfoil hat before opening your mouth anymore.
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Nick Curso
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Posted - 2006.02.27 13:07:00 -
[329]
For Orc
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Trooper B99
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Posted - 2006.02.27 13:09:00 -
[330]
Edited by: Trooper B99 on 27/02/2006 13:09:26
Quote:
Originally by: Mauxir Just a quick question, do you think TRIGGER was slave when he was in with negotiating the first deal with FIX and BOB?
You tell me what do you call a person that has no other way out than comply or die?
But thats not the case with TRIGGER though was it? Or are you calling TRIGGER a slave?
At least from everything I've read, specifically here it certainly didn't seem the case that TRIGGER was acting under duress.
So, are you are now specifically saying that TRIGGER was acting under duress and he was made to make those statements and brokered that deal between FIX and SA?
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Mauxir
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Posted - 2006.02.27 13:14:00 -
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What other options did he have?
Just because someone forces you to do something in a pleasant and civil way doesnt mean it isnt forced.
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Trooper B99
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Posted - 2006.02.27 13:16:00 -
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So you are saying TRIGGER was forced to make that specific deal with FIX?
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Mauxir
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Posted - 2006.02.27 13:17:00 -
[333]
You want me to paint you a picture as well?
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Hardin
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Posted - 2006.02.27 13:19:00 -
[334]
Originally by: Hardin
STAIN'S LEADERSHIP - A MOVIE
Just to add to this I think the way Trigger has been treated in all of this (by both sides) is horribly shabby!
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Trooper B99
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Posted - 2006.02.27 13:20:00 -
[335]
Edited by: Trooper B99 on 27/02/2006 13:21:25
Quote: You want me to paint you a picture as well?
*chuckles*
How hard is it for you to put yourself down in black and white and say "yes, TRIGGER was forced to make that specific deal with FIX"? Just simple follow through for yourself.
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Avon
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Posted - 2006.02.27 13:20:00 -
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Originally by: Mauxir What other options did he have?
Just because someone forces you to do something in a pleasant and civil way doesnt mean it isnt forced.
The sword rattling didn't happen until after SA attempted to 'renegotiate'. If you honestly believe otherwise, and that Trigger was forced to agree and didn't have the strength of character to stand up for himself (does that sound like Trigger to you), then I encourage you again to look at the logs and make your own mind up - I get the feeling you are just going on what you have been told ...
If you want to talk masters and slaves it is becomming clear you don't need to look outside of SA to see it.
Think for yourself.
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Orc A
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Posted - 2006.02.27 13:20:00 -
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Quote: Please, buy a tinfoil hat before opening your mouth anymore.
Thats what i LOVE about BoB forum warfare - "****, we're loosing, quick, type up a personal flame to distrac people from the fact he's right!"
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Raid
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Posted - 2006.02.27 13:23:00 -
[338]
Originally by: DB Preacher
So SA members now think that Trigger was SirMolle's slave.
Genius.
dbp
/me weeds through the propoganda
So this is the method you guys are using to defeat SA? Start posts like this one questioning SA leadership?... Trying to Avoid answering questions and instead trying to point the finger at Orc A?.. Or my personal favorite... asking SA to look internally instead of externally for the reasons BOB went to war...
Clearly all your trying to acomplish here is to break up SA from within and save yourself the trouble or actually fighting them inside of stain.
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Mauxir
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Posted - 2006.02.27 13:24:00 -
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Avon mate you seem like a sensible person.
Answer me this why would SA who was on the verge of victory go into peace talks with FIX if there was no pressure from BoB?
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DB Preacher
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Posted - 2006.02.27 13:26:00 -
[340]
Originally by: Orc A
Quote: Please, buy a tinfoil hat before opening your mouth anymore.
Thats what i LOVE about BoB forum warfare - "****, we're loosing, quick, type up a personal flame to distrac people from the fact he's right!"
Losing what exactly? The forum discussion?
Sorry, no.
Here's an idea for the SA Leadership...
Take Orc A's "abilities to foresee all potential outcomes of every discussion, fight and war" and put them to good use.
Where do you think this will lead?
Let me put up my own prophecies as long as Orc A continues to be the vocal point of SA.
Will SA ever defeat Fix? No. Will SA ever defeat BoB? No. Will SA ever control a station or pos in the south again? No. Will SA ever be backed by any major political entity in the South? No. Will SA ever be trusted by anyone in eve? No. Will SA ever achieve anything as an alliance? No.
/me shrugs.
Now, go and put on the tinfoil hat, sit down like a good little boy and think about what you have done.
Remember and paint the big "D" on the front of your tinfoil hat.
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j0sephine
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Posted - 2006.02.27 13:26:00 -
[341]
"Answer me this why would SA who was on the verge of victory go into peace talks with FIX if there was no pressure from BoB?"
Because the south is more stable with FIX alive than dead, which could be something SA might want to keep on mind..?
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Avon
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Posted - 2006.02.27 13:27:00 -
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Originally by: Mauxir Avon mate you seem like a sensible person.
Answer me this why would SA who was on the verge of victory go into peace talks with FIX if there was no pressure from BoB?
Because one friend asked two friends to resolve their differences.
Read the transcript of the events leading up to, and including, the first agreement.
Do you think it would have gone like that if BoB was forcing everyone to the table?
Really?
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Mauxir
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Posted - 2006.02.27 13:28:00 -
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Edited by: Mauxir on 27/02/2006 13:29:19 Exactly josephine and thats why Trig when he went to the discussion table had only one option to agree or SA would die.
Pretty simple no matter how much you guys try to twist it.
EDIT: And thats not a discussion thats an order.
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Thomas Epsilon
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Posted - 2006.02.27 13:29:00 -
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This endless SA debate about who is running the show is getting boring. Perhaps SA should post a public organizational chart and end this ;) Seriously, SA should invest some time in PR and fix the leadership image (make TRIGGER chairman of the board, so he only looks like the leader, but has no real power)
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Dianabolic
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Posted - 2006.02.27 13:31:00 -
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Originally by: Mauxir Avon mate you seem like a sensible person.
Answer me this why would SA who was on the verge of victory go into peace talks with FIX if there was no pressure from BoB?
Why would SA, having achieved its goals - suddenly change them and start a war they cannot possibly win?
Why, if TRIGGER and SA didn't CARE what bob thought, ask sirmolle how we would ideally like the situation to evolve?
YOUR leaders, Maux, made the first approach to find out what WE wanted. We answered. Then Orc A countered it all. We didn't make the first approach for this, YOU did.
Therein lies the answer to our annoyance, and now to our increased support of FIX.
SA had achieved everything it had set out to do, it had reclaimed FAT, installed HUZZAH in Catch, pushed FIX back in to querious and, all the while, managed the bob - SA relationship very well indeed.
Then, well, we can see the result of "then".
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MalaMo
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Posted - 2006.02.27 13:33:00 -
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Originally by: j0sephine "Answer me this why would SA who was on the verge of victory go into peace talks with FIX if there was no pressure from BoB?"
Because the south is more stable with FIX alive than dead, which could be something SA might want to keep on mind..?
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j0sephine
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Posted - 2006.02.27 13:34:00 -
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"Exactly josephine and thats why Trig when he went to the discussion table had only one option to agree or SA would die."
Uhmm i think we're talking of two different things now. o.O;
i said allowing FIX to live would be something that helps to keep the south stable which is beneficial to everyone living there, SA included. That's why i think this was reason good enough for SA to stop the war and negotiate end of it. Not because 'BoB would demand their slave TRIGGER to make it so or else' ... but out of SA's self-interest, without even need to ask them for that in the first place.
how is acting in SA's best self-interest making one the slave of BoB or anyone, now..? o.O
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R4d1o4ct1v3
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Posted - 2006.02.27 13:35:00 -
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Edited by: R4d1o4ct1v3 on 27/02/2006 13:36:19 So what I have gathered so far is this.
BoB favors FIX over SA, the reason is BoB belives them to be more stable and reliable ally.
FIX and SA forces have been having minor conflicts for some time bofore all this and SA are fed up and want to end it by killing them.
BoB, favoring FIX, will not let SA and FIX fight due to the chance FIX may lose and try to arange a friendly ceasefire.
At this time it appearce the SA leadership is not in agreement, some try to arrange peace (TRIGGER) others belive BoB has treeted them unfairly and go to war (Orc'a). In the end the warmongers win and SA declairs war on BoB and FIX.
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j0sephine
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Posted - 2006.02.27 13:36:00 -
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"And how much more stable is now south ?"
Since this destabilization is mostly thanks to tantrum of the same faction that wouldn't consider possibility of ceasefire in the first place until asked to, i don't get your point...
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DB Preacher
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Posted - 2006.02.27 13:40:00 -
[350]
Originally by: R4d1o4ct1v3 Edited by: R4d1o4ct1v3 on 27/02/2006 13:36:19 So what I have gathered so far is this.
BoB favors FIX over SA, the reason is BoB belives them to be more stable and reliable ally.
FIX and SA forces have been having minor conflicts for some time bofore all this and SA are fed up and want to end it by killing them.
BoB, favoring FIX, will not let SA and FIX fight due to the chance FIX may lose and try to arange a friendly ceasefire.
At this time it appearce the SA leadership is not in agreement, some try to arrange peace (TRIGGER) others belive BoB has treeted them unfairly and go to war (Orc'a). In the end the warmongers win and SA declairs war on BoB and FIX.
Now this is my impression. Please correct me if im wrong.
nah, we never favoured one over the other BEFORE this occured.
In fact, Trigger and Mass have been allies to SirMolle and Evolution for longer than we have been.
The rest is spot on though.
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Farsenir
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Posted - 2006.02.27 13:40:00 -
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FIX doesn't post much in these forums, since most threads inevitably degenerate in chest beating and propaganda (for all sides involved). But I want to steal five minutes of your time and present FIX's position and reasons, two months after this all started.
I think that SA's biggest mistake was a gross misinterpretation of the situation they were facing. Two days (roughly) after FAT fell (and during a time when we were putting plans in motions to retake it), and after a months of fighting inside that system, SA had the impression FIX was broken in shards and unable to put up any further resistance.
Thus they dictated surrender terms that would have been understandable had they taken control of all of our stations and dominated our territories. The situation being what it was (FAT, the fringe system, the early resistance system fallen), FIX was getting ready for a second phase of the war. Talks with BoB are pretty common, both in peace and war times, and they decided to broker a ceasefire deal that was accepted by both sides. (Before you jump in, Dantes, you were killed 5 minutes after those negotiations, information wasn't out alliance-wide yet).
Orc A subsequently showed up (I assume representing all of SA's leadership, based on the posts on various threads) and dictated those new terms, who had no base on the reality of the situation. FIX admitted we lost the battle for FAT, and SA would have gotten FAT out of it, with alot of teeth grinding on our side. SA's terms involved all of Querious, who wasn't even touched by the conflict (except some roaming SA gangs, but then based on that kind of warmongering I could say Stain region is all but conquered currently).
Thus we refused those terms, and the ceasefire was retired. The rest is history: SA attacked BoB in Delve, declared war on them, and two days later FIX retook FAT.
If anyone wants to go further back, the reason we put SA to neutral standings were described in the logs Orc A kindly posted of my conversation with him, around December if I'm not mistaken: SA never had travel rights in Querious, yet we had several instances of SA pilots trenspassing and acting like, for lack of better terms, jackasses when asked to leave. There were circumstances of SA shooting at some of our pilots, including one who was an admiral at the time, in the Catch pipe. We had a discussion (alliance one) and decided SA weren't reliable enough to keep at positive standings. Which is very different from a full blown war declaration.
We indeed had an NBSI policy in Catch pipe, but that doesn't mean we were going to attack SA assets specifically.
To conclude, SA made their choices, we made ours, BoB made theirs. Three independent entities. And that's it.
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Mauxir
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Posted - 2006.02.27 13:41:00 -
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Diana our goal was not to retake FAT or Catch region. Our goal was to make FIX pay for their transgresions against us in the past.
You can only push us so far.
Of course we cared about what BOB thought because we considered you friends and we also knew that you would step in sooner or later so we wanted to test out the waters.
What we got from you was the same reply we got last time, that FIX had to live and we were tough out of luck.
I know how it looks to ppl that SA alliance has gone mad. That we were on the verge of victory just to lose it all because we are idiots.
The reason is simple. If we accepted the deal that bob "proposed" to us it would be no victory at all. All the stations in Catch couldnt wash out the sour taste in our mouths that our victory was handed to us by BoB.
We have our pride.
That pride was trampled during our first war with FIX when you first steped in.
No matter what everyone else says Stain Alliance is a proud alliance and we will do what we feel is right not because someone else forces us to do it but because we belive in it.
We may be stubborn and not always right but at least we have the courage to stand by our belifs even if that means our end.
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DB Preacher
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Posted - 2006.02.27 13:44:00 -
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Originally by: Mauxir We may be stubborn and not always right but at least we have the courage to stand by our belifs even if that means our end.
So how do you feel now that you know that you will never defeat FIX and BoB will always stand alongside FIX against you?
Your pride over nothing has lost you everything... except of course your NPC stations and your stubborness.
dbp
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Mauxir
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Posted - 2006.02.27 13:48:00 -
[354]
To be honest I feel like the chains have been lifted and I can finally breathe the air of freedome.
And never say never because you just never know. 
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Dianabolic
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Posted - 2006.02.27 13:52:00 -
[355]
Maux - once again, we didn't go to stain and dictate, trigger came to us and ASKED.
There is a difference.
Originally by: Thomas Jefferson A society that will trade a little liberty for a little security will lose both and deserve neither
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Sceartan
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Posted - 2006.02.27 13:54:00 -
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Originally by: DB Preacher
So how do you feel now that you know that you will never defeat FIX and BoB will always stand alongside FIX against you?
Your pride over nothing has lost you everything... except of course your NPC stations and your stubborness.
dbp
Stain feels the same as anyone else in Eve that wants to have a good time shooting things - overjoyed.
I think the forum war is well and truly over and there's better places to enjoy the sport of competition. I humbly ask all Stain to bite their tongues and play this "bring it" game everyone is so fond of inside Eve.
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KirikaPhoenix
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Posted - 2006.02.27 14:01:00 -
[357]
I heartily agree there should be more fighting and less smacking. Forum smack does not make good videos.
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R4d1o4ct1v3
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Posted - 2006.02.27 14:04:00 -
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One thing I find odd.
This whole thing comes down to BoB not wanting their two friends to fight. As it turns out BoB is now at war one of their friends in a efford to help the other. This doesnt sound right to me.
A better way imo for BoB to keep up the friendship with SA as well as FIX would have been to step back and let the two factions fight this out as they both wanted.
The problem was to big and had been going on for to long. FIX and SA were not about to just lay down their Tachyons and go mine veld together. Peace nagotiations, normaly a good choise, was obviously not going to work this time. ------------------- DISCLAIMER: All opinions in this post are the opinions af a week old, half eaten sandwitch and do in no way reflect the opinions of anybody within a 10km radius of the Eiffel towe |

Orc A
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Posted - 2006.02.27 14:09:00 -
[359]
Well, If BoB kept out of it the whole way and didnt come in with threats and tried to muscle us, it would have came down to The best alliance winning. If an alliance thats supposed to watch your doorstep is defeated, perhaps it's time to look into getting someone more capable of that region's defence?
Not in BoB's eyes. In BoB's eyes it seems better to turn on a long time friend for an ark mining carebear alliance.
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DB Preacher
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Posted - 2006.02.27 14:15:00 -
[360]
Edited by: DB Preacher on 27/02/2006 14:16:46
Originally by: Orc A Well, If BoB kept out of it the whole way and didnt come in with threats and tried to muscle us, it would have came down to The best alliance winning. If an alliance thats supposed to watch your doorstep is defeated, perhaps it's time to look into getting someone more capable of that region's defence?
Not in BoB's eyes. In BoB's eyes it seems better to turn on a long time friend for an ark mining carebear alliance.
I have no doubt that FIX would have remained in control of Querious.
And whether you think so or not, it really doesn't matter know because trust me, now you will never defeat FIX.
dbp
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Avon
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Posted - 2006.02.27 14:21:00 -
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Originally by: Orc A Well, If BoB kept out of it the whole way and didnt come in with threats and tried to muscle us, it would have came down to The best alliance winning.
Winning how?
You can't actually defeat an alliance.
The threats and muscle came when you decided to back out of a friendly, peaceful settlement, not before.
SA had earned their victory conditions, FIX agreed to them. Then you come along, snatch defeat from the jaws of victory, and then blame BoB for your failings.
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Orc A
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Posted - 2006.02.27 14:21:00 -
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Edited by: Orc A on 27/02/2006 14:23:01 If thatw as true, your would have never entered this conflict. It's BECAUSE quesrious was under such threat you decide to interfere.
If you are so sure of FiX's strength, how about putting your neighbors to the test?
No? thought so....
Obviouslly BoB does not understand that the fix they knew is now a station-hugging-ark-mining band of carebears.
try fighting them, see the boredom that is an anti-Fix campaign.
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Sarmaul
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Posted - 2006.02.27 14:24:00 -
[363]
reading orc a's posts make my head hurt
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Orc A
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Posted - 2006.02.27 14:25:00 -
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Look att he logs Molle posted again. They clearlly indicate that from the beginning, The "If not" that was put before trigger was bob agression. So don't tell me there were no threats ebfore i came in.. i came in BECAUSE BoB thought it was "all that" and seems to still think so.
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DB Preacher
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Posted - 2006.02.27 14:33:00 -
[365]
Edited by: DB Preacher on 27/02/2006 14:33:44
Originally by: Orc A Look att he logs Molle posted again. They clearlly indicate that from the beginning, The "If not" that was put before trigger was bob agression. So don't tell me there were no threats ebfore i came in.. i came in BECAUSE BoB thought it was "all that" and seems to still think so.
Funny, I thought you came in because you were appointed vocal spokesperson for the SA alliance and because Trigger was nothing in SA's eyes but a slave to SirMolle.
dbp
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TheSoul
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Posted - 2006.02.27 14:33:00 -
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Originally by: Orc A Well, If BoB kept out of it the whole way and didnt come in with threats and tried to muscle us, it would have came down to The best alliance winning. If an alliance thats supposed to watch your doorstep is defeated, perhaps it's time to look into getting someone more capable of that region's defence?
Not in BoB's eyes. In BoB's eyes it seems better to turn on a long time friend for an ark mining carebear alliance.
in bobs eyes, they probably see fix as more RELIABLE, more TRUSTWORTHY and most of all ... TRUE TO THEIR WORD.
less can be said for SA.
Maybe if you had better leadership bob wouldnt of minded letting you fight it out. But ultimately its SA's fault :)
all of SA have conspiracy theory lvl 5 !!!!
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Orc A
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Posted - 2006.02.27 14:36:00 -
[367]
Edited by: Orc A on 27/02/2006 14:36:37 blah blah look at me i can take what epople write, change the order of the lines and people will read it and thing it's true! yay for BoB!
Come on, you can do better, i know you can.
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DB Preacher
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Posted - 2006.02.27 14:37:00 -
[368]
Originally by: Orc A blah blah look at me i can take what epople write, change the order of the lines and it people will read it and thing it's true! yay for BoB!
Come on, you can do better, i know you can.
The whole of eve is looking at you.
And laughing.
dbp
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TheSoul
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Posted - 2006.02.27 14:37:00 -
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Edited by: TheSoul on 27/02/2006 14:37:50
Originally by: Orc A blah blah look at me i can take what epople write, change the order of the lines and people will read it and thing it's true! yay for BoB!
Every time you post in these forums, we all think less of you :) I dont know how much lower it can get .... 
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Raid
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Posted - 2006.02.27 14:42:00 -
[370]
Without a doubt if BOB had not steped in FIX would have fallen. SA's goal in this war (and in every other FIX war) has been the elimination of FIX. More so in the last two than the first one. The first FIX war was started by SA. The second and third wars were started when FIX attacked SA.. you talk about trustworthy?
Explain to me how FIX... who INSTIGATED the fight with SA is more trustworthy then the alliance that has been fighting along side Evolution since before the birth of CA.
This has NEVER been about trustworthy alliances. This is all about how safe BOB can make their mining operations in Delve. You string out yourselves across fountain and northern areas and anyone with a force big enough can walk into delve and do some damage before your fleets can get back. FIX offered protection from such a threat as they would shield you with juicy roid huging miners who were easier to kill.
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DB Preacher
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Posted - 2006.02.27 14:48:00 -
[371]
Originally by: Raid Without a doubt if BOB had not steped in FIX would have fallen. SA's goal in this war (and in every other FIX war) has been the elimination of FIX. More so in the last two than the first one. The first FIX war was started by SA. The second and third wars were started when FIX attacked SA.. you talk about trustworthy?
Explain to me how FIX... who INSTIGATED the fight with SA is more trustworthy then the alliance that has been fighting along side Evolution since before the birth of CA.
This has NEVER been about trustworthy alliances. This is all about how safe BOB can make their mining operations in Delve. You string out yourselves across fountain and northern areas and anyone with a force big enough can walk into delve and do some damage before your fleets can get back. FIX offered protection from such a threat as they would shield you with juicy roid huging miners who were easier to kill.
Why don't you take your Curse Coalition Fleet down to Delve and try it?
Otherwise, go stfu about something you know absolutely nothing about.
dbp
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TheSoul
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Posted - 2006.02.27 14:50:00 -
[372]
Originally by: Raid Without a doubt if BOB had not steped in FIX would have fallen. SA's goal in this war (and in every other FIX war) has been the elimination of FIX. More so in the last two than the first one. The first FIX war was started by SA. The second and third wars were started when FIX attacked SA.. you talk about trustworthy?
Explain to me how FIX... who INSTIGATED the fight with SA is more trustworthy then the alliance that has been fighting along side Evolution since before the birth of CA.
This has NEVER been about trustworthy alliances. This is all about how safe BOB can make their mining operations in Delve. You string out yourselves across fountain and northern areas and anyone with a force big enough can walk into delve and do some damage before your fleets can get back. FIX offered protection from such a threat as they would shield you with juicy roid huging miners who were easier to kill.
let me guess, you get all your intel from SA ?
SA trespassed in fix space on multiple occasions, SA was warned in multiple occasions. SA didnt do anything. Fix then got word of friendly fire incidents (fix admiral lost a ship to SA) Fix then set them to 0.0, which was their way of saying "get your act together"
In almost every way SA started this war, they made no effort to stop it, they launched the 1st strike. get your fact straight
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Mauxir
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Posted - 2006.02.27 14:52:00 -
[373]
Yes we started it. Thats why you sent a fleet to LGK that got promptly spanked?
What was it a pre-emptive strike or something?
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TheSoul
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Posted - 2006.02.27 14:53:00 -
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Originally by: Mauxir Yes we started it. Thats why you sent a fleet to LGK that got promptly spanked?
What was it a pre-emptive strike or something?
SA even admit they started it :)
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Mauxir
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Posted - 2006.02.27 14:54:00 -
[375]
Learn to read. If we started it why did you attack us first?
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Avon
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Posted - 2006.02.27 14:59:00 -
[376]
Originally by: Mauxir Learn to read. If we started it why did you attack us first?
Are we talking SA v FIX here or SA v BoB, because the statement seems to apply equally to both, non?
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TheSoul
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Posted - 2006.02.27 14:59:00 -
[377]
Originally by: Mauxir Learn to read. If we started it why did you attack us first?
you spouting lies again ? fix had you at 0.0, you set them to -10 and attack. Maybe fix built a time machine and saw the future. But im pretty sure this fleet you are talking about happened after you attacked 1st.
face it, the truth hurts your alliance, its why you will post anything to lure others away from it
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Raid
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Posted - 2006.02.27 15:01:00 -
[378]
Originally by: DB Preacher
Why don't you take your Curse Coalition Fleet down to Delve and try it?
Otherwise, go stfu about something you know absolutely nothing about.
dbp
You wanna beat your chest any louder dbp? I dont think the guys in cache heard you... I know more about the situaion than most of the non sa/fix/bob posting on here.
The fact that want to point out that i know nothing about the situation than some of the other people (those who pat you on the back that is..) speaks volumes about your uber forum whoring skills. How you managed to get lvl 6 ill never know.
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Mauxir
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Posted - 2006.02.27 15:01:00 -
[379]
Yeah truth hurts. Thats why you are posting with an alt.
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DB Preacher
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Posted - 2006.02.27 15:03:00 -
[380]
Originally by: Raid
Originally by: DB Preacher
Why don't you take your Curse Coalition Fleet down to Delve and try it?
Otherwise, go stfu about something you know absolutely nothing about.
dbp
You wanna beat your chest any louder dbp? I dont think the guys in cache heard you... I know more about the situaion than most of the non sa/fix/bob posting on here.
The fact that want to point out that i know nothing about the situation than some of the other people (those who pat you on the back that is..) speaks volumes about your uber forum whoring skills. How you managed to get lvl 6 ill never know.
If you knew anything about anything then you would know what you wrote initially was nothing but flames and trolling.
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Torment
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Posted - 2006.02.27 15:36:00 -
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Orc dont bother replying to em mate,Avon and DB Preacher must of got home from school early and have some *** tag team posting thing going on
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Avon
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Posted - 2006.02.27 15:38:00 -
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Originally by: Torment Orc dont bother replying to em mate,Avon and DB Preacher must of got home from school early and have some *** tag team posting thing going on
Still at work as it happens.
The reason Orc A should stop posting is this: A closed mouth gathers no feet.

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Taz Devlin
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Posted - 2006.02.27 16:04:00 -
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Originally by: j0sephine "And our definition of friendship already differs at the fact that you did nothing to stop the ongoing process leading to the situation."
I'd think it's actually something to be appreciated, if one doesn't jump into conflict the very moment it occurs, but gives the persons involved time to sort things out on their own ... and only tries to stop the ball when it really gets out of hand. (to the point where someone is likely to die)
A difference between friendship of mature adults, and acting like a mother handling couple of brainless two year olds, if you will. ^^;
Kinda makes you wonder about Avon's posts regarding good parenting when the whole thing blew up don't ya? Not like he was the only one, but was certainly the loudest.
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psirus
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Posted - 2006.02.27 16:05:00 -
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Edited by: psirus on 27/02/2006 16:05:20 It stoped!
PRAISE THE LORD IT STOPED
edit*no IT STARTED AGAIN :'( *
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Avon
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Posted - 2006.02.27 16:18:00 -
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Originally by: Taz Devlin
Kinda makes you wonder about Avon's posts regarding good parenting when the whole thing blew up don't ya? Not like he was the only one, but was certainly the loudest.
Interestingly I thought at the time it was quite a poor analogy, although as events unfolded it seems that at least one side certainly acted like a naughty child.
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dalman
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Posted - 2006.02.27 16:36:00 -
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Originally by: DB Preacher Dalman, you're a pretty sensible guy.
Throughout most alliances there is always one forum ***** who is actually of great interest to read when he posts (e.g. Slothe of MLM, , Woody of CE, Balazs Simon of HUN, Kcel Chem (sp!) of ATUK).
You have always been SA's voice of clarity on the forums and because of this I'll reply to you with the respect you deserve. ***some more***
Thnx Hope you didn't take it to personal.
Basicly, I think you've already showed everyone internal SA problems (and exaggerated them) enough. So it wasn't more than right to show BoB's faults in this as well.
And like the seasoned warrior you are, you dance around these forums dropping some mines here and there. This time I decided to go in and wreck it, and wow, it almost got the debate and argumentation going that we once were allowed to have in this forum. Instead of what most likely would have happened otherwise; some poor guy with not even 'basic forum whoring lvl 2 trained' stumbling upon it, followed by the BoB TS announcement 'ZOMG they took it', and then followed by 5 pages of BoB members laughing their a**** off before a mod closed it. 
Drink up, shoot in. Let the beating begin. Distributor of pain. Your loss becomes my gain...
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Bedrox
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Posted - 2006.02.27 16:43:00 -
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It amazes me how Orc A still speaks on behalf of SA. It truely does show who exactly he's representing. If that is the case, which it obviously is as you still continue to open your mouth with stupidity, then SA as a whole is clueless of the truth. Frustrated  |

TheOnyx
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Posted - 2006.02.27 17:01:00 -
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Erh....uhm... errr....
LOL...!
Nothing else i can say really...sorry... How many times do we have to read the same discussions over and over and over and...
Whoever get's his right/wrong....take it into space...
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DB Preacher
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Posted - 2006.02.27 17:04:00 -
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Originally by: dalman
Hope you didn't take it to personal.
Basicly, I think you've already showed everyone internal SA problems (and exaggerated them) enough. So it wasn't more than right to show BoB's faults in this as well.
And like the seasoned warrior you are, you dance around these forums dropping some mines here and there. This time I decided to go in and wreck it, and wow, it almost got the debate and argumentation going that we once were allowed to have in this forum. Instead of what most likely would have happened otherwise; some poor guy with not even 'basic forum whoring lvl 2 trained' stumbling upon it, followed by the BoB TS announcement 'ZOMG they took it', and then followed by 5 pages of BoB members laughing their a**** off before a mod closed it. 
I never take anything personally these days 
And I certainly do enjoy proper discussions about the events at hand.
It's always tricky to find people to actually have proper adult discussions with however :p
And no-one is blameless otherwise we wouldn't have any fun in eve at all.
dbp
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Trooper B99
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Posted - 2006.02.27 17:21:00 -
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Was there ever an answer to the OP btw? Last thing I think I heard it was a CEO council (1 from each SA corp) with Orc A as sole spokesperson/diplomat, correct?
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CopeLand
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Posted - 2006.02.27 17:29:00 -
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Originally by: Avon Edited by: Avon on 27/02/2006 09:23:33 You claim that BoB and SA should have resolved this as friends, not as master and slave, right?
So, when your friend said, "fighting in my yard is unacceptable, I will not put up with it", should SA not have respected the wishes of their friend rather than saying, "we don't care, we'll do what ever we want, in fact we are comming in to your yard and kicking over your gnomes!"?

what about bob coming in, like a month too late, fighing already spread to querious a good month and a half before that... and saying something more in terms of :
******* and lie down u little ****tard ****** monkey **** or we will wtfpwn your ***** little **** *** *****
followed by alot of threats and forumstuff culminating and revealing bobs attitude towards its "friend" with post form rkk and some bnc members, all at the samt time as mc was preparing to invade fat on bobs/fix count
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Xthril Ranger
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Posted - 2006.02.27 17:39:00 -
[392]
I get a mental picture of a headless chicken running about......
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Beringe
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Posted - 2006.02.27 17:44:00 -
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From my standpoint, there are (read: seem to be) three major reasons for the current war:
1. BoBs closer alliance to FIX demands they can't sit idly by while SA invades them. This would, in a normal situation, make them a perfect arbitrator for peace, since they are friendly with both entities.
2. SA makes a sequence of terrible diplomatic faux-passes. Leadership appears to be in disarray. BoB openly insulted, both through forums and actions. 'Incidents' take place (including, it would seem, a full-on invasion fleet...?).
3. In a fairly typical BoB fashion, diplomatic relations are closed as soon as things stop going smoothly (not sure if the invasion of Delve happens before or after...if it happens before, it is quite understandable). SA are put in a position of either bowing down or fighting.
Please don't flame me...I'm clearly not 100% on any of these observations. ------------------------------------------- "Never underestimate the power of language."
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warpag0n
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Posted - 2006.02.27 17:58:00 -
[394]
omg another sa thread and bob joins again lmao
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Randay
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Posted - 2006.02.27 18:35:00 -
[395]
best. joke. thread. ever. -------------------------------------------
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Raytesh
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Posted - 2006.02.27 18:45:00 -
[396]
Originally by: Raid Without a doubt if BOB had not steped in FIX would have fallen. SA's goal in this war (and in every other FIX war) has been the elimination of FIX. More so in the last two than the first one. The first FIX war was started by SA. The second and third wars were started when FIX attacked SA.. you talk about trustworthy?
Explain to me how FIX... who INSTIGATED the fight with SA is more trustworthy then the alliance that has been fighting along side Evolution since before the birth of CA.
This has NEVER been about trustworthy alliances. This is all about how safe BOB can make their mining operations in Delve. You string out yourselves across fountain and northern areas and anyone with a force big enough can walk into delve and do some damage before your fleets can get back. FIX offered protection from such a threat as they would shield you with juicy roid huging miners who were easier to kill.
Amazing Raid. You and I both know if SA had conquered FIX they would have never held it. Been following these threads on and off while in between classes and what you said has struck out at me. SA may have been holding off FAT but as previously stated by various members of SA they dont want to maintain stations they want to have fun. Being how as i have been a CEO in SA as well as the forum adminstrator to the SA forums in the past i have a little bit of knowledge of what happened. This is generally what happened after CA fell and the major PvP corps left SE at the time and went off to fight battles else where. They didnt want to maintain stations or carebear. And so those corps who lived down in the southern regions as well as the few that were in northern stain in Catch stayed on to rebuild the empire after its primary pvp force left. Those same PvP corps are the primary driving forces behind the current SA today. Not sure if things have changed since then but im pretty sure that they dont want to maintain the stations in querious if they had conquered them. Keeping in mind it that it does require large amounts of time and energy to maintain a network of POS as well as defending them. After all Orc A has already called FIX a carebear alliance and carebears can maintain POS very well. Lots of ice mining and runs for trade goods.
Yea i dont see the current SA wanting to hold querious.
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Blacklight
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Posted - 2006.02.27 18:59:00 -
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Let's also be clear we knew that if we went in to try stop the fighting and went in with an even hand then either SA or FIX could dig their heels in and tell us to **** off. This would have put us in a position where, whichever party put us in that position, we would have to get a bit more forceful about our wishes for the conflict to end.
As things transpired and FIX began to lose Catch and FAT-6P FIX (not wanting to lose FAT-6P) began to ask more for our help and it became obvious that SA/KAOS/HUZZAH were beating FIX. Time to step in before someone gets seriously hurt.
So negotiations started and thats where Molle's logs kick in.
We were quite satisfied after the initial round of negotiations that:-
a) SA had a victory against FIX and had retaken FAT, and we understood the likely psychological importance of them doing that having lost FAT to some slick political maneouvering during the SE days - fair enough. b) FIX were not at risk of being assaulted heavily in Querious. c) No new entity that would be any kind of security risk to us was going to get set up in a region near us. A power vaccuum in Catch, Querious, Paragon Soul or Stain is not in our best interests (obviously).
All great, SA and FIX have got some aggression out of their systems, things are going to stabilise again.
In steps Orc A with the rather surprising surrender terms (well rather surprising is an understatement, they were totally and utterly retarded) and away we go again except this time our nose is seriously out of joint because we feel, quite rightly to my mind, that Orc A as Stain's rep had just stuck two fingers up at us before turning around and bearing his arse in our direction.
There was no conspiracy, no taking sides, no backup plan. No tinfoil hats are required. If FIX plus two friendly alliances had been beating SA to a pulp and taking bits of their space our behaviour would have been exactly the same but the onus would have been on FIX to back off.
Quite simple really.
The only other point I want to address was someone's arguement that we should have let one of you win and the other fall in a survival of the fittest Darwinian selection approach to make sure we had the best possible ally in Querious on our doorstep. Really? What kind of fairweather, cold hearted bunch would that have made us? You were, indeed if some of the lunatic fringe would wake up and smell the roses could still be, both friends. No friend stands back and watches one of his mates kill another. Those of you suggesting that need to get your heads read.
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Blacklight
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Posted - 2006.02.27 18:59:00 -
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To be honest the lack of reading comprehension and short term memory loss on these boards is astounding as I think I've already posted twice now on this subject spelling out pretty clearly what the score was from our perspective.
When we have two groups of friends duking it out on our doorstep our policy was very straightforward, sit back and let them sort it out between themselves up until the point where one was 'at risk' of getting seriously hurt. Whether that be FIX or SA it doesn't really matter. If either side's homeland was threatened then we would step in and try resolve it before it got totally out of hand because we want to see both friends survive. This stand back and watch approach is even more applicable in the SA vs FIX scenario because we were well aware you both had some latent aggression to take out on each other and that if we just stepped in early and asked you to stop that latent aggression would just boil back up to the surface again in a month or two. Far better from our perspective to let you fight and hope you'd fight each other to a point of mutual respect before we felt the need to ask you to pack it in.
Please bear that last paragraph in mind because it is absolutely central to our approach in this.
Another important fact to remember is that Evolution and MASS have been friends and allies since the game went live if not before and that BNC and MASS had got a lot closer with half a dozen MASS pilots spending time in BNC recently during one of MASS's quiet periods, hell even thebold had asked if we'd take him and half the remaining MASS guys if they could not turn things around just a few months ago. I also personally have a lot of time for TRIGGER who has a very straightforward approach to things that I have a lot of respect for and all my past dealings with him have been good. Now that does not make for a group of people that want to fight each other. As I told Nick Curso who returned to MASS about a week before all this kicked off, I would do everything I could to make sure things did not escalate too far.
The final point to bear in mind before I go into discussing the sequence of events that happened from our perspective is that as far as who was going to win the war was concerned this was not FIX vs SA, it was FIX/ex-FIX vs SA/KOAS/HUZZAH, so let's not have anymore of the chest beating suggesting that either FIX on their own or SA on their own were going to kill the other because you weren't. Both sides had to have external support and certainly from our perspective it looked like SA were trying to gang bang FIX. In fact to be honest if it had just been SA vs FIX we'd probably not have felt the need to step when we did.
So from our perspective what happened?
I spoke to both sides in the conflict a good few weeks before we tried to broker the peace deal. FIX contacted me worried that they were going to get gang banged as SA called in HUZZAH, KAOS etc. I contacted SA to find out what their intentions were. At this point I reassured FIX that we wouldn't let them die but to expect no immediate support. At the same time I told SA we would keep out of it but expressed concerns about them bringing KAOS in and sought confirmation about their intentions for Catch and FAT-6P.
We sat back and watched.
The debate between our leadership regarding our approach was quite intense. From our perspective this was like two of your best mates having a fall out and some of us supported SA and some of us supported FIX. As we watched and gained more facts some peoples opinions swung back and forth (mine included). At no time whatsoever was it a foregone conclusion who we would support or what approach we would take if we tried to stop the fighting and got pushed into a corner.
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BOOFER
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Posted - 2006.02.27 19:11:00 -
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Raid
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Posted - 2006.02.27 19:37:00 -
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Originally by: Raytesh Amazing Raid. You and I both know if SA had conquered FIX they would have never held it. Been following these threads on and off while in between classes and what you said has struck out at me. SA may have been holding off FAT but as previously stated by various members of SA they dont want to maintain stations they want to have fun. Being how as i have been a CEO in SA as well as the forum adminstrator to the SA forums in the past i have a little bit of knowledge of what happened. This is generally what happened after CA fell and the major PvP corps left SE at the time and went off to fight battles else where. They didnt want to maintain stations or carebear. And so those corps who lived down in the southern regions as well as the few that were in northern stain in Catch stayed on to rebuild the empire after its primary pvp force left. Those same PvP corps are the primary driving forces behind the current SA today. Not sure if things have changed since then but im pretty sure that they dont want to maintain the stations in querious if they had conquered them. Keeping in mind it that it does require large amounts of time and energy to maintain a network of POS as well as defending them. After all Orc A has already called FIX a carebear alliance and carebears can maintain POS very well. Lots of ice mining and runs for trade goods.
Yea i dont see the current SA wanting to hold querious.
Ray, yes i know who you are and if you remember me you'll know i was there to witness the same things you did back in the SA/SE vs CA days. However unlike you i was also there for the coalition vs Fix days... I dont think i ever said they wanted to hold querious, just break FIX.
In respons to blacklights explination... Your intentions when steping in might have been good, however you steped in at the absolute wrong time. Instead of steping in when one alliance was launching a major offensive you should have stoped it right at the begining before any of this could happen. Or alternativly you should have let one get seriously injured. Thats the ONLY way a comflict between the two would be resolved. Neither side likes the other and have a "half" war against each other for the THIRD time is more unsatisfying than any victory of defeat.
So, while you intentions might have been good you ended up steping on one friends toes and basically gave them no options. There really was only two choices at the time for SA. Back away from the fight that they are finaly making progress in.. or.. get into a war with bob. There was no other options... Horrible timing to say the least, you guys are just as responsible as SA is for the current conlfict. Had you steped in before it started or after one alliance was on its knees you would still have two friends instead of one.
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Sarmaul
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Posted - 2006.02.27 19:38:00 -
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I wonder who the first person to misquote blacklight will be...
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Mag's
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Posted - 2006.02.27 19:45:00 -
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Originally by: Blacklight
The final point to bear in mind before I go into discussing the sequence of events that happened from our perspective is that as far as who was going to win the war was concerned this was not FIX vs SA, it was FIX/ex-FIX vs SA/KOAS/HUZZAH, so let's not have anymore of the chest beating suggesting that either FIX on their own or SA on their own were going to kill the other because you weren't. Both sides had to have external support and certainly from our perspective it looked like SA were trying to gang bang FIX. In fact to be honest if it had just been SA vs FIX we'd probably not have felt the need to step when we did.
As you know KAOS was there for a VERY short time and FIX at that time were just sitting it out hoping the enemy would get bored and leave. Plus SA and Huzzah together was a smaller player base than FIX plus friends.
Originally by: Blacklight
I spoke to both sides in the conflict a good few weeks before we tried to broker the peace deal. FIX contacted me worried that they were going to get gang banged as SA called in HUZZAH, KAOS etc. I contacted SA to find out what their intentions were. At this point I reassured FIX that we wouldn't let them die but to expect no immediate support. At the same time I told SA we would keep out of it but expressed concerns about them bringing KAOS in and sought confirmation about their intentions for Catch and FAT-6P.
So early on you had taken sides by telling FIX you not let them die?
Originally by: Blacklight
There was no conspiracy, no taking sides, no backup plan.
So did you tell FIX you wouldn't let them die or not?
Originally by: Sarmaul
I wonder who the first person to misquote blacklight will be...
As you are the master at that, i'm sure you'll be there, soon as, to tell us.
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Raytesh
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Posted - 2006.02.27 19:53:00 -
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Yea i remember Raid. Just stating that i wasnt sure if the new SA was more logistically founded than the old.
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Blacklight
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Posted - 2006.02.27 20:05:00 -
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Sorry chaps, I'm not responding to a single post questioning any of the points I just made. You can all twist, question, interpret or ignore to your heart's content.
It is all there in quite simple black and white.
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aradakran
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Posted - 2006.02.27 20:19:00 -
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Originally by: Orc A
Quote: Who'd you rather have as a neighbour? An alliance you know you can trust once you've made a deal with them, or an alliance that gives off the impression that its leadership is in turmoil, and likes to see as many red squares in space as possible?
One that fights, one that is not a carebear alliance. But then again, who do you think produces capitals for Bob? My guess would be FiX. The way i see it, they didn't even choose FiX over SA. They Chose Isk over SA.
Also, SirMolle did not post the chatlogs in which I personally have suggested that after FiX is dead, if it pleases them, they can get to decide who the next resident of Querious will be, even if it means FiX under a diffrent banner.
And still, they chose the safe-isk-fix way. **** happens.
What - The - ****.
Bob does well enough to build thier own dreds, and so does FIX. Kaos appeared to have plenty more dreds then Stain did when the attack in (I think 6 / 2?). Fielding that many dreds in 1 spot is a huge undertaking, and albeit yes you struck first, and FIX reacted, it doesn't mean FIX did not have the might to strike back and retake FAT.
Oh, the comment about FIX / SA not quite caring ALL that much if the war started? I'm sure thats true.
The comment about H74 being on lockdown?
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thebold
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Posted - 2006.02.27 20:23:00 -
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BlackLightà
The days when those MASS pilots joined your corp was a time where Trig had been out of EVEà I tried my hardest to fill that CEO role for nearly a yearà But it got to me trying to run the politics talking to people.. I gave up and with it I simply had no energy to spend the time with the guys that I play with in corp that make my game what it is todayà
The reason for me attempting to join you was based on the fact I gave up all hope on Trigger ever returning to take this god forsaken job off from meà And with my guys leaving to you saying how good you are and having fun I felt badly left out with what was left of the corpà Hence we did the talking thingà But found out that Trigger was actually returning.. I love my corp as you love BNC and the players in it is what makes my game : )
We care not about isk were just a team that likes to have fun as you are a much bigger team : )
The war at current appears to be fought mainly on these forums thatÆs something that I donÆt enjoy I have respect for your fighting abilities but not these forums (even though you donÆt seem to post smack) quit a few RKK and BNC members do actually talk total crudà And I will agree that some SA members have posted total trash as wellà It is just as bad on Both sides
I hope to enjoy this war like it was a CA war because this to SA is like you are the big Tyrant of CA and we are that smaller SA struggling against the odds to surviveà This is what I have lived through from pretty much from my first fleet fight everà. Lallante called me primary shot down my XL Shield Boosting Apoc with his fleet and received my first podding from Torpedo splash *DOH à O the good old days :)
I like being in a hurt box the pressure is what brings excitement to EVE, fighting out numbered is something I love it is a challenge (but not retarded out numbered (dependent on the situation ofc))
Every MASS pilot and most SA want good fightsà We donÆt care when Pixels on the screen go poof and we hope you will enjoy them as wellà Even though you got the big Isk thing going on we do not, we fight on the scraps of war our NPC region is crap for isk but its what we fight for and hold dear to us. But we somehow still overcome our obstacles, ISK is our only barrier.
As Trigger has stated in many years from now if SA is at war with EVE, MASS will still be there struggling VS whom ever picks on usà We live for SA We are dedicated and we will refuse to die until the day we quit eve or CCP turn the server offà
We have every respect for the fights we have and we know what you are capable of because we the same are capable of ità But in smaller numbers. If Xetic remember what 20 dedicated pilots did for several months a mutual respect grew between us because both sides were struggling while 1 side was a ISK wagon and Man Power Tyrant compared to usà
Our trench is set and MASS will continue to refuse to be seen as a traitorous corp to leave its alliance for personal gain elsewhere.
Have Fun and Enjoy the fights to come, Through Sickness, Health, For better or worseà Till Death Do Us Part.
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Mr Bright
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Posted - 2006.02.27 20:35:00 -
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First off, I am not an alt - you can take that and belive it or not. Cant really do more than start the post by stating that.
After reading thebold and blacklights post - which I will add was very well put and I throughtly enjoyed reading them - I did get the impression from thebold that SA really enjoys being the "percieved" underdog. I dont know if the current situation was set up to cause this hostile situation vs BoB to boost moral internally... Though to be honest, seeing as both sides talk about solid and longlasting friendship in the past its a far guess. Maybe only an actual tactic, if SA finds BoB to be the only force sufficient in size and power to them being able to claim being "underdogs".
Again, this is only the impression I get from reading those posts. I enjoy reading these forums and reading between all the envitable flames. Which is also why I in this case would like to voice first my admiration for posters who can keep their heads as cool despite all the flames, and secondly wish that further posts by other posters will at least try to emulate this high standard.
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Posted - 2006.02.27 20:49:00 -
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I think it was a fair question - I wasn't clear on it either. Not that SA is obligated to tell anyone, really.
That said, from my time in SA, I didn't interact with MASS/IE-EX too much, but I remember Amira being very good, and I think her/his post on this thread reflects that. Forum wars are dumb, anyone caught up in them is going to look dumb.
And I almost podded Amira last week, too. If only I'd had the disruptor instead of the scrambler... 
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mahhy
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Posted - 2006.02.27 21:08:00 -
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Edited by: mahhy on 27/02/2006 21:15:19
Originally by: Blacklight When we have two groups of friends duking it out on our doorstep our policy was very straightforward, sit back and let them sort it out between themselves up until the point where one was 'at risk' of getting seriously hurt. Whether that be FIX or SA it doesn't really matter. If either side's homeland was threatened then we would step in and try resolve it before it got totally out of hand because we want to see both friends survive.
Nice post.
But I gotta ask, and maybe I'll just be causing more trouble by doing so, but oh well. Not my intention.
Why has BoB stepped in, at least twice, on FIX's side when they were not to be seen during the G/IRON invasion?
G/IRON did more damage to SA than any other group has ever done. Arguably more than SA has ever done to FIX, yet no BoB came to assist as far as I know.
edit: apparently BoB did assist, in at least one fight that I wasn't aware of.
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IcedBach Jr
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Posted - 2006.02.27 21:31:00 -
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Excellent post by Blacklight, finally smth not smack from BOB and it gives us smth to think about. My opinion of BOB is more positive. Praeludium to success |
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Blacklight
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Posted - 2006.02.27 21:47:00 -
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Originally by: thebold The days when those MASS pilots joined your corp was a time where Trig had been out of EVEà I tried my hardest to fill that CEO role for nearly a yearà But it got to me trying to run the politics talking to people.. I gave up and with it I simply had no energy to spend the time with the guys that I play with in corp that make my game what it is todayà
The reason for me attempting to join you was based on the fact I gave up all hope on Trigger ever returning to take this god forsaken job off from meà And with my guys leaving to you saying how good you are and having fun I felt badly left out with what was left of the corpà Hence we did the talking thingà But found out that Trigger was actually returning.. I love my corp as you love BNC and the players in it is what makes my game : )
That I will reply to.
I know the circumstances mate and I fully understand. I brought it up merely to point out that there was no bad blood between us prior to all this kicking off in fact it quite the opposite.
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Sarmaul
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Posted - 2006.02.27 21:57:00 -
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Originally by: mahhy Nice post.
But I gotta ask, and maybe I'll just be causing more trouble by doing so, but oh well. Not my intention.
Why has BoB stepped in, at least twice, on FIX's side when they were not to be seen during the G/IRON invasion?
G/IRON did more damage to SA than any other group has ever done. Arguably more than SA has ever done to FIX, yet no BoB came to assist as far as I know.
edit: apparently BoB did assist, in at least one fight that I wasn't aware of.
probably the same reason FIX didn't step in besides the one-off 100 man fleet they sent down (still have nightmares about the lag, and that was just travelling) - they weren't officially asked.
With regards to FIX, if I remember correctly, a certain man's pride (you know who you are) stopped SA asking FIX for help and SA ended up getting trounced (by the admission of the quoted poster).
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thebold
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Posted - 2006.02.27 22:06:00 -
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in RL all in eve is a freind despite in game freind or foe ===== MASS's Forum Warrior! Do you have a Eye Patch too? |

USN CVN73
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Posted - 2006.02.27 23:46:00 -
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Originally by: Avon Taurequis:
Thanks for you obviously well thought out reply.
Ultimately, however, one fact remains. A deal was struck. That is not (as far as I can tell) in dispute.
Now, we all know that it is impossible currently to kill an alliance, so what did SA expect to gain by backing out of that deal?
They could go on shooting at FIX ships forever, but to what end? There could never really be any tangible victory.
So SA turned their back on the only real sort of victory you can expect in Eve, only to carry on fighting for one that can never really happen.
BoB didn't deny SA victory, SA did that themselves.
Ultimatly a Deal was struck?
The deal was struck without the executorship of SA.
I understand that you probably dont like Orc A but he is the Diplomat for Stain Alliance. If he wasnt available then u should have sent him an Eve Mail before trying to broker a deal with Triggar and Sweetpea. I understand that MASS has a long standing relationship with RKK (BoB) and trust between both sides were strong enough to discuss in confidence such matters. Bottem line though using those contacts was wrong especially expecting an agreement on the spot. If BoB wanted to broker a deal to get Fix and SA to end the war then BOB should have contacted directly Orc A, invite Trig cause of his opinion warrents his presence and then communicate terms and conditions. Orc A should have then communicate back to IEEX and the CEO's to discuss either to aggree or disagree on the terms....
Bottom Line is this could have been handled better on all sides. EVERYONE is wrong here. not Just SA... Fix is wrong BOB is wrong and SA can take blame as well...
everything else is mute. all the posts smack talking and pointing blame from all sides is mute. Bottom line is all sides are wrong for the way they handled it...
USN CVN72 USN CVN73 USN CVN74 USN CVN75 IEEX Disclaimer: This post does not warrent flaming but i am expecting it anyway...
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Dianabolic
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Posted - 2006.02.27 23:57:00 -
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Originally by: USN CVN73 Ultimatly a Deal was struck?
The deal was struck without the executorship of SA.
As far as BoB were concerned, any deal with TRIGGER was as good as a deal made with the ceos of BoB. Can't you see that? We made an agreement, in agreement with more than one party, in good faith.
It got thrown in our face.
You bleet about it "not being the executor of SA" - you're basically saying that the deal we made with the organ grinder has been over-ridden by the monkey.
And that is not exactly condusive towards further stable relations.
Originally by: Thomas Jefferson A society that will trade a little liberty for a little security will lose both and deserve neither
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Hi again. I have posted before and always started with saying: im a nobody, just a grunt that arent in on the big decisions. Could i just get some answers pls? In a friendly respecting manner.
1. Why did BoB attack Huzzah members in FAT 2-3 days before they "negotiated"? 2. If BoB didnt want us in Querius why didnt they tell us so when we camped Fix in their stations for 3 weeks prior to FAT fell? 3. How could we possibly have beaten Fix in t1 frigs? 4. If Orcy's demands was the reason for the hostileties why did BoB threaten us with war before Orcy was back from his computer meltdown? 5. If BoB wants a stable south why are they fighting alongside pirate-corps?
Hopefully we can continue to talk and fight with respect and honour. Exept Fix ofcourse who have no honour and are far beond any resemblance of respect from me.
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USN CVN73
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Posted - 2006.02.28 00:05:00 -
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Originally by: Dianabolic
Originally by: USN CVN73 Ultimatly a Deal was struck?
The deal was struck without the executorship of SA.
As far as BoB were concerned, any deal with TRIGGER was as good as a deal made with the ceos of BoB. Can't you see that? We made an agreement, in agreement with more than one party, in good faith.
It got thrown in our face.
You bleet about it "not being the executor of SA" - you're basically saying that the deal we made with the organ grinder has been over-ridden by the monkey.
And that is not exactly condusive towards further stable relations.
You went beyond the chain of command. Yes triggar has a long standing relationship but the deal was struck without the concent of the CEOs and executorship of STAIN Alliance.
U dont see a problem with that? or are your diplomats not up to date on who is in charge?
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Kujin
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Posted - 2006.02.28 00:06:00 -
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Originally by: Draahk Chimera
5. If BoB wants a stable south why are they fighting alongside pirate-corps?
pls explain what you mean with this
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Blacklight
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Posted - 2006.02.28 00:11:00 -
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Originally by: USN CVN73 You went beyond the chain of command. Yes triggar has a long standing relationship but the deal was struck without the concent of the CEOs and executorship of STAIN Alliance.
U dont see a problem with that? or are your diplomats not up to date on who is in charge?
USN
As I am in 'reasonable' mode tonight... I think that part of the problem may be that if one of the BoB CEO's made a decision/deal without consulting the other two we would back it 100% even if we disagreed (which is highly unlikely) because thats just the way we are.
Perhaps some of the difficulty to relate to your point of you stems from that because there's no way a BoB leader would make an agreement with a third party that we wouldn't all support.
It's a long ass time since many of us was in an alliance where you have those kind of problems.
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USN CVN73
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Posted - 2006.02.28 00:26:00 -
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Originally by: Blacklight
Originally by: USN CVN73 You went beyond the chain of command. Yes triggar has a long standing relationship but the deal was struck without the concent of the CEOs and executorship of STAIN Alliance.
U dont see a problem with that? or are your diplomats not up to date on who is in charge?
USN
As I am in 'reasonable' mode tonight... I think that part of the problem may be that if one of the BoB CEO's made a decision/deal without consulting the other two we would back it 100% even if we disagreed (which is highly unlikely) because thats just the way we are.
Perhaps some of the difficulty to relate to your point of you stems from that because there's no way a BoB leader would make an agreement with a third party that we wouldn't all support.
It's a long ass time since many of us was in an alliance where you have those kind of problems.
ok we are making progress then. i respect that 100%. with this said we now understand each other that alliances are run differently and how BoB operates doesnt nessesaraly reflect how another alliance operates. we all can learn a valuable lesson in diplomacy here. this could have been delt better considering each alliance has different proceedures in place to make deals and aggrements that effect such alliances.
Thank You Blacklight for having understanding and calm feedback on this matter...
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Khaerie
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Posted - 2006.02.28 00:27:00 -
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Originally by: Blacklight
As I am in 'reasonable' mode tonight... I think that part of the problem may be that if one of the BoB CEO's made a decision/deal without consulting the other two we would back it 100% even if we disagreed (which is highly unlikely) because thats just the way we are.
QFT!!!!
Orc, at the very least, you should have trusted Trigger to know what he was doing. It isn't like this is his first time at the diplomacy table. Right or wrong, if you send someone out to represent you, then you have called him your voice. Right or wrong, the deal he strikes is now an obligation for ALL of the alliance. First you get the peace, then you work on the parts that need repairing. You don't wipe out the Mona Lisa just because the smile is crooked. 
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USN CVN73
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Posted - 2006.02.28 00:32:00 -
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Originally by: Khaerie
Originally by: Blacklight
As I am in 'reasonable' mode tonight... I think that part of the problem may be that if one of the BoB CEO's made a decision/deal without consulting the other two we would back it 100% even if we disagreed (which is highly unlikely) because thats just the way we are.
QFT!!!!
Orc, at the very least, you should have trusted Trigger to know what he was doing. It isn't like this is his first time at the diplomacy table. Right or wrong, if you send someone out to represent you, then you have called him your voice. Right or wrong, the deal he strikes is now an obligation for ALL of the alliance. First you get the peace, then you work on the parts that need repairing. You don't wipe out the Mona Lisa just because the smile is crooked. 
thank u Khaerie for this comment but this has been beat down 1000 times. and every thread has this same aurgument. We would like to move on from this subject and deal with more productive matters instead of spinning the same subject over and over till the thread gets locked.
Thank you Again
USN
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Khaerie
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Posted - 2006.02.28 01:20:00 -
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Edited by: Khaerie on 28/02/2006 01:20:18
Originally by: USN CVN73
Originally by: Khaerie
Originally by: Blacklight
As I am in 'reasonable' mode tonight... I think that part of the problem may be that if one of the BoB CEO's made a decision/deal without consulting the other two we would back it 100% even if we disagreed (which is highly unlikely) because thats just the way we are.
QFT!!!!
Orc, at the very least, you should have trusted Trigger to know what he was doing. It isn't like this is his first time at the diplomacy table. Right or wrong, if you send someone out to represent you, then you have called him your voice. Right or wrong, the deal he strikes is now an obligation for ALL of the alliance. First you get the peace, then you work on the parts that need repairing. You don't wipe out the Mona Lisa just because the smile is crooked. 
thank u Khaerie for this comment but this has been beat down 1000 times. and every thread has this same aurgument. We would like to move on from this subject and deal with more productive matters instead of spinning the same subject over and over till the thread gets locked.
Thank you Again
USN
Umm....who are you anyway and why would I listen to you? I'm agreeing with BL's statement and advising Orc A. How are you helping the situation?
Have a cookie and move to the shallow end of the pool.
*editted to add a word.
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USN CVN73
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Posted - 2006.02.28 01:24:00 -
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Originally by: Khaerie
Originally by: USN CVN73
Originally by: Khaerie
Originally by: Blacklight
As I am in 'reasonable' mode tonight... I think that part of the problem may be that if one of the BoB CEO's made a decision/deal without consulting the other two we would back it 100% even if we disagreed (which is highly unlikely) because thats just the way we are.
QFT!!!!
Orc, at the very least, you should have trusted Trigger to know what he was doing. It isn't like this is his first time at the diplomacy table. Right or wrong, if you send someone out to represent you, then you have called him your voice. Right or wrong, the deal he strikes is now an obligation for ALL of the alliance. First you get the peace, then you work on the parts that need repairing. You don't wipe out the Mona Lisa just because the smile is crooked. 
thank u Khaerie for this comment but this has been beat down 1000 times. and every thread has this same aurgument. We would like to move on from this subject and deal with more productive matters instead of spinning the same subject over and over till the thread gets locked.
Thank you Again
USN
Umm....who are you anyway and why would I listen to you? I'm agreeing with BL's and advising Orc A. How are you helping the situation?
Have a cookie and move to the shallow end of the pool.
I am a Stain Alliance member letting u know that your point has been made over and over again.
Thank you USN
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Khaerie
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Posted - 2006.02.28 01:27:00 -
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Yes, it is a real shame how Sweet seems to have lost control of her corp. How many more members of IE-EX are needed to work on this problem?
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Anndy
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Posted - 2006.02.28 01:34:00 -
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i just have 1 question, has TRIGGER said anything about any of this in the forum?
i am really intrested to see his side of all this
i understand where all sides are comming from on this but i think for the first time in my eve life i have to agree with bob
so umm go bob(never thought i'd say that )
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Sceartan
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Posted - 2006.02.28 01:48:00 -
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Originally by: Anndy i just have 1 question, has TRIGGER said anything about any of this in the forum?
I havent seen anything by the smurf yet, but I figure it's because he, like the vast majority of SA understand that posting on the Eve-O forums results in nothing but pettiness, flaming and smacktalk when there iss better fights to be had in game.
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TheSoul
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Posted - 2006.02.28 01:57:00 -
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orc A put trigger in charge, meaning Trigger was the voice of SA. Trigger made a deal, Orc A then changed that deal.
Its the exact same as if Orc A made a deal, then came back a day later saying "that deal didnt count, heres a new 1 "insert impossible demands here"
Thats not how diplomacy works boys and girls. And with a propper diplomat, You would of had your victory, fix would of been morally defeated. But hey, fix are probably loving this, they got their space back. So looks like the only winners here is fix, with SA being the ultimate losers. Loosing allies, space and respect.
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Khaerie
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Posted - 2006.02.28 02:05:00 -
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Originally by: TheSoul orc A put trigger in charge, meaning Trigger was the voice of SA. Trigger made a deal, Orc A then changed that deal.
Its the exact same as if Orc A made a deal, then came back a day later saying "that deal didnt count, heres a new 1 "insert impossible demands here"
Thats not how diplomacy works boys and girls. And with a propper diplomat, You would of had your victory, fix would of been morally defeated. But hey, fix are probably loving this, they got their space back. So looks like the only winners here is fix, with SA being the ultimate losers. Loosing allies, space and respect.
Sorry TS, I have a policy of being fair to both sides so I must point out to you that you are incorrect. It does sometimes happen and sometimes diplomats have to eat crow.
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Anndy
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Posted - 2006.02.28 02:59:00 -
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Edited by: Anndy on 28/02/2006 03:03:40
Originally by: Sceartan
Originally by: Anndy i just have 1 question, has TRIGGER said anything about any of this in the forum?
I havent seen anything by the smurf yet, but I figure it's because he, like the vast majority of SA understand that posting on the Eve-O forums results in nothing but pettiness, flaming and smacktalk when there iss better fights to be had in game.
very understandable, would still be nice to see his view of things tho
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Kisses
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Posted - 2006.02.28 03:25:00 -
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Edited by: Kisses on 28/02/2006 03:25:40 Edited by: Kisses on 28/02/2006 03:25:10
Originally by: Sceartan
Originally by: Anndy i just have 1 question, has TRIGGER said anything about any of this in the forum?
I havent seen anything by the smurf yet, but I figure it's because he, like the vast majority of SA understand that posting on the Eve-O forums results in nothing but pettiness, flaming and smacktalk when there iss better fights to be had in game.
Exactly The forums are BOB's propaganda machine and alliance EGO-Trip.
If their Posts were Tech II Weapons there wouldnt be a player left in eve 
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F'nog
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Posted - 2006.02.28 04:22:00 -
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For USN-
You said that BoB should have known that Trigger wasn't a part of the SA leadership and he should have gotten in contact with OrcA or Sweetpea. From the chat logs, SP was involved, at least in part, with the negotiations.
More importantly, before he made his post, no one outside SA seems to have heard of him. Also, no one still knows who is in charge of SA except that Orc is their "voice". I think this proves the original point of this whole soap opera of a thread that SA needs to supply the rest of Eve with some information about who's in charge, who can make decisions, and whom to contact for diplomatic purposes. Simple information like that possibly could have prevented this whole fiasco in the first place.
So from the replies early on here, I can't really see how anyone else could be to blame when SA refuses to divulge simple contact information and an organizational hierarchy.
Originally by: Bl4zer But, cmon, this is the Eve forums, we don't let facts get in the way of pointless speculation.
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pardux
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Posted - 2006.02.28 04:34:00 -
[433]
Originally by: F'nog
More importantly, before he made his post, no one outside SA seems to have heard of him. Also, no one still knows who is in charge of SA except that Orc is their "voice". I think this proves the original point of this whole soap opera of a thread that SA needs to supply the rest of Eve with some information about who's in charge, who can make decisions, and whom to contact for diplomatic purposes. Simple information like that possibly could have prevented this whole fiasco in the first place.
So from the replies early on here, I can't really see how anyone else could be to blame when SA refuses to divulge simple contact information and an organizational hierarchy.
from the public section of our forums:
Point's of Contact: - Gloria Khan [P1] (EU Time Zone) -- Orc A [IE-EX] (EU Time Zone) --- Sceartan [MASS] (Oceanic Timezone)

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Dalilah
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Posted - 2006.02.28 06:40:00 -
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All participants have got an answers to their own questions in previous post. Or you want to discuss about Orc A further?
C'mon guys. Orc A is the best politician in SA since formal creating of alliance. He have a balls and has chosen a way of fighting and honour, not a way of underlying themes.
BoB don't like him? FIX also? Eldars too? Seems like it's only ONE reason to create this post. ---
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Mr Bright
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Posted - 2006.02.28 07:59:00 -
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Actually I think the question is more why Orc A didn't start the (in his mind) next round of negotiations by making clear why the old deal was invalid (unacceptable / made by one who had not mandate to it) - and explaining that the deal would have to be renegotiated.
Orc A chose by his words to list demands, without making clear that there was any negotiations to be made. Thats not diplomacy, except if it was an attempt to play hardball in the start so more of SA's demands would be met. It might have been an ego thing, and reading the logs posted here I can honestly say that if Orc A is the best example of SA diplomacy - then I can't imagine there was any other wanting to accept the post.
If I might come with one small suggestion: If a person such as Orc A is main diplomat AND at the same time involves himself in flaming etc. There should be a clear indication where his posts are official word - and when he is just talking for himself.
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Randay
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Posted - 2006.02.28 08:56:00 -
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you dont have to be bright to realise all of that, but i guess it does help.  -------------------------------------------
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Orc A
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Posted - 2006.02.28 09:22:00 -
[437]
Quote: Orc, at the very least, you should have trusted Trigger to know what he was doing. It isn't like this is his first time at the diplomacy table. Right or wrong, if you send someone out to represent you, then you have called him your voice. Right or wrong, the deal he strikes is now an obligation for ALL of the alliance. First you get the peace, then you work on the parts that need repairing. You don't wipe out the Mona Lisa just because the smile is crooked.
The reason I did not back Trig's actions are because it's not my call. I logged in after the deal was struck, Couldn't catch trigger online for a day and a half and was being under pressure from the "superiors" to change the terms, so i did. Seeing as i had new info that trigger did not, when he got back he supported the recent actions 100%, as he still supports them now.
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Avon
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Posted - 2006.02.28 09:32:00 -
[438]
Originally by: Draahk Chimera
1. Why did BoB attack Huzzah members in FAT 2-3 days before they "negotiated"?
A bit cheap trying to drag Huzzah in to this, especially as they conducted themseleves so well, but I will address your point.
Why wouldn't BoB shoot Huzzah? They didn't have friendly standings, and they were in a place where they were likely to encounter pilots from BoB.
Before you rant on about how they were helping BoB's friends, and so should have standings, let me continue.
Hans was fully aware of the situation, and knew that it may bring Huzzah in to conflict with BoB. He worked hard to do what he could diplomatically to prevent direct conflict between Huzzah and BoB (and I know that for a fact). However, the fact remains that they were a hostile force shooting at one of BoB's allies.
Trying to use this as an example of BoB taking sides is pretty dumb, and frankly quite insulting to Huzzah (who, it should be said, did not support SA's attempts at betraying the peace deal).
I'll briefly move on to the Trigger / Orc A thing, as something said recently quite amused me. BoB have been informed that they were wrong to approach Trigger to broker a deal. It was wrong for Evol and Mass to use their long standing friendship to resolve the situation. But, at the same time, SA are moaning that they weren't treated as friends.
If you don't want to use the friendship that exists, then why bring it up?
Do BoB have a long standing relationship with Orc A? No. And yet when he acts like a traitor to SA he should be treated as a friend?
If SA wanted to be treated like friends, acknowledging that the friendship was between Trigger and Molle, then they have to accept the outcome. Expecting that special relationship to extend to anyone in SA, no matter what demands they made, is frankly insulting.
The Battleships is not and should not be a solo pwnmobile - Oveur |

j0sephine
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Posted - 2006.02.28 10:48:00 -
[439]
"C'mon guys. Orc A is the best politician in SA since formal creating of alliance. He have a balls and has chosen a way of fighting and honour, not a way of underlying themes."
Uhmm except Orc A himself makes it a point over and over that he is nothing but the official voice of actual leadership, which consists of the SA corp CEOs and such? So if this is to be believed, he makes as much of "best politician" as the certain middle east information minister we all know and love -- neither actually calls the shots, they're just made look silly by their own alliance that has them deliver ridiculous statements... o.O;
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corporal hicks
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Posted - 2006.02.28 11:16:00 -
[440]
Amazing thread. Just a point I cant figure, if Orc is a diplomat, a diplomats role is to approach listen and negotiate and then bring information to his superiors to let them decide a course of Action.
I am kind of confused but is the top position in SA a Diplomat or does Orc report to someone higher? It seems from this thread Orc is the overall leader of SA!
" Stay Frosty "
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Eisheth Zenunim
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Posted - 2006.02.28 11:31:00 -
[441]
Impressive post there BlackLight. According to everything that has been posted on this thread it seems as if youÆre post is the best sum up of the whole situation. In youÆre words "It's there in black and white". Refraining from flaming anyone and as a relatively new player to EVE, a suggestion to SA's leadership should be to really reconsider their current representative as he has seriously put his Alliance's reputation on the line. The question would rather be if this was not provoked intentionally. Was SA trying to deliberately start an all out war with BoB and didn't want to directly invade them in the first place?
To those that question BoBs intervention in the conflict, well, it's simple, they can. "Good conflict, we'll take it". They could play any card they wanted and have always been seen in the eyes of the community as the bad ones, but in this conflict I believe they have taken the most honourable posture.
From a neutral view point, good luck to all sides, and let there be lots of spanking good fun.
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Destroyer Draxx
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Posted - 2006.02.28 12:01:00 -
[442]
Edited by: Destroyer Draxx on 28/02/2006 12:05:20 Oh well
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Red Deeth
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Posted - 2006.02.28 16:16:00 -
[443]
Originally by: Eisheth Zenunim To those that question BoBs intervention in the conflict, well, it's simple, they can. "Good conflict, we'll take it". They could play any card they wanted and have always been seen in the eyes of the community as the bad ones, but in this conflict I believe they have taken the most honourable posture.
Being in SA I don't really mind that BoB wants to fight. There's no reason to claim they are 'defending' FIX from a neutral stance. FIX is closer to them and therefore a stronger ally to have. There is no 'dishonor' in their actions. Only their Mudslinging PR.
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Avon
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Posted - 2006.02.28 16:19:00 -
[444]
Edited by: Avon on 28/02/2006 16:20:17
Originally by: Destroyer Draxx
Avon, its obvious y huzzah was attached. Saying it was random is not going to cut it ;)
Well, I was in the fortunate position to talk directly with my old mate Hans Roaming about it, you?
The Battleships is not and should not be a solo pwnmobile - Oveur |

Boonaki
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Posted - 2006.02.28 16:37:00 -
[445]
Originally by: Orc A
Quote: Orc, at the very least, you should have trusted Trigger to know what he was doing. It isn't like this is his first time at the diplomacy table. Right or wrong, if you send someone out to represent you, then you have called him your voice. Right or wrong, the deal he strikes is now an obligation for ALL of the alliance. First you get the peace, then you work on the parts that need repairing. You don't wipe out the Mona Lisa just because the smile is crooked.
The reason I did not back Trig's actions are because it's not my call. I logged in after the deal was struck, Couldn't catch trigger online for a day and a half and was being under pressure from the "superiors" to change the terms, so i did. Seeing as i had new info that trigger did not, when he got back he supported the recent actions 100%, as he still supports them now.
Pres. Bush of EvE? Fear the Ibis of doom. |

Raid
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Posted - 2006.02.28 16:49:00 -
[446]
Originally by: Eisheth Zenunim Impressive post there BlackLight. According to everything that has been posted on this thread it seems as if youÆre post is the best sum up of the whole situation. In youÆre words "It's there in black and white". Refraining from flaming anyone and as a relatively new player to EVE, a suggestion to SA's leadership should be to really reconsider their current representative as he has seriously put his Alliance's reputation on the line. The question would rather be if this was not provoked intentionally. Was SA trying to deliberately start an all out war with BoB and didn't want to directly invade them in the first place?
You obvisouly dont know the history between FIX and SA/SE/Coalition. As an admited new player you should not be telling SA who should represent them without knowing all the players involved.
Originally by: Eisheth Zenunim To those that question BoBs intervention in the conflict, well, it's simple, they can. "Good conflict, we'll take it". They could play any card they wanted and have always been seen in the eyes of the community as the bad ones, but in this conflict I believe they have taken the most honourable posture.
Because you can do something doesnt mean you should. I can take my car and crash it into someones house, doesnt mean I should do that. Like i said above, your a new player and dont know the background so you shouldnt be telling us who the honorable person is without knowing the players and history.
Originally by: Eisheth Zenunim From a neutral view point, good luck to all sides, and let there be lots of spanking good fun.
Dont think you're neutral here dude. If you were neutral you would have adressed some of the mistakes otehr alliances have made. BOB & FIX should share equal blame in how this all unfolded. By not even adressing these issues you have taken one side.
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Xelios
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Posted - 2006.02.28 17:46:00 -
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You know, last time FIX invaded during the days of the Coalition the Coalition decided to accept BoB's proposal and give a cease fire to FIX, even though we'd pushed them back into Querious and were busy rampaging through there. Then FIX made the official post which basically said "The Coalition has asked for a cease fire because they can't handle us with their internal (SE) problems, so we'll let them off the hook this time". As you can imagine that didn't sit well with anyone involved on the Coalition's side, but in the interests of Southern Stability we swallowed it and moved on (and I've said it before, that took a LOT of convincing on the part of SA's leaders).
Then FIX took advantage of the SE/SA dispute to once again invade FAT and Catch, while BoB did nothing to intervene in the interests of southern stability. Once again we came back and pushed them out of FAT and into Querious, and once again we were approached by BoB to work up a cease fire. Only this time we weren't going to take the same BS, and all indications were that BS was coming once again. So the conditions of the cease fire were reworked to demand a full surrender from FIX, not a simple "Till next time". This rewording could have been done better I suppose, but that's one area where (IMO) we were at fault.
At that point BoB basically threatened force and revoked SA's "friend" status in 0.0, and from there things got outta control. Combined with bitter feelings from the last FIX encounter many people were all to eager to see the new FIX war through to the very end, namely a full surrender from FIX. But of course that wasn't coming, not while BoB had their backs. The pre-emptive strike was launched because it was clear a war wouldn't be averted, not because we were all eager to **** BoB off in any way we could.
In the end both sides are at fault for the situation we're in now. But hell, this is why I play EVE, exactly this kind of drama soaked politics ending in some fun PVP for everyone. Keeps the game alive 
And no I'm not an SA diplomat in any sense, just some shmuck with an opinion.
Signature removed. -Zhuge ([email protected]) Woot.
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Destroyer Draxx
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Posted - 2006.02.28 18:02:00 -
[448]
Edited by: Destroyer Draxx on 28/02/2006 18:05:14
Originally by: Avon Edited by: Avon on 28/02/2006 16:20:17
Originally by: Destroyer Draxx
Avon, its obvious y huzzah was attached. Saying it was random is not going to cut it ;)
Well, I was in the fortunate position to talk directly with my old mate Hans Roaming about it, you?
Spelling mistake *attacked sorry for that. Whats talking to hans got to do with ur motives behind attacking them while Fix war was on? Fail to c the connection
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Draahk Chimera
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Posted - 2006.02.28 18:23:00 -
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I wasent trying to drag Huzzah into this. I was just asking why BoB came to Fat and attacked our friends before the so called negotiations.
Nvm I have come to the realization that BoB and their slaves arent in theese forums to have friendly discussions nor to ask/answer questions in a respectful manner. They are just doing their best to exuse their actions by making us look bad. Dont bother answering to this since i wont read it. Too bad you guys cant behave nicely.
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Avon
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Posted - 2006.02.28 18:25:00 -
[450]
Originally by: Destroyer Draxx Whats talking to hans got to do with ur motives behind attacking them while Fix war was on? Fail to c the connection
Let me make it a little more clear for you. Huzzah would have been attacked with or without an SA / FIX conflict, and they were well aware of that.
If BoB had given Huzzah +ve standings they would have been seen to be siding with SA.
Huzzah were not actively hunted at any point, but they were a valid target if encountered.
I was in contact with Hans during that time, and he was fully aware of the whole situation (including BoB's neutral position re: FIX & SA). If you want further details I suggest you contact him in game. So far he has shown the sense to stay out of this thread, and who can blame him?
The Battleships is not and should not be a solo pwnmobile - Oveur |
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Randay
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Posted - 2006.02.28 18:58:00 -
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Originally by: Xelios The pre-emptive strike was launched because it was clear a war wouldn't be averted, not because we were all eager to **** BoB off in any way we could.
sa - hey lets send a 20 man fleet down to destroy bob in one fell swoop before they can war us! rrrrrrrrrrrrrriiiiggghhht. -------------------------------------------
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Emilia Hussain
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Posted - 2006.02.28 19:01:00 -
[452]
Quote: Also, no one still knows who is in charge of SA except that Orc is their "voice". I think this proves the original point of this whole soap opera of a thread that SA needs to supply the rest of Eve with some information about who's in charge, who can make decisions, and whom to contact for diplomatic purposes
The guy in charge of SA never post on Eve-O, he is an incredibly charismatic leader and could be said to be Eve's answer to Grand Admiral Thrawn of Star Wars fame. I'm quite sure this person is not your average gamer and I dont even want to know his background before he started playing Eve.
Fom actually communicating with him, I can say he is an incredibly calm, well mannered and resourceful individual, as well as being a tactical, strategical genious. And from the reading up on BOB postings here, none of them seem to have any idea who this person is.
With him at the helm, dont be too sure to come up victorious, if you happen to be his enemy.
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Xantor
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Posted - 2006.02.28 19:03:00 -
[453]
Originally by: Xelios You know, last time FIX invaded during the days of the Coalition the Coalition decided to accept BoB's proposal and give a cease fire to FIX, even though we'd pushed them back into Querious and were busy rampaging through there. Then FIX made the official post which basically said "The Coalition has asked for a cease fire because they can't handle us with their internal (SE) problems, so we'll let them off the hook this time".
Just fyi, Fix was asked to make this post by The Coalition as far as I remember. It doesn¦t matter anymore anyways, let your guns do the talking and stop this silly forum war 
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Kazim
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Posted - 2006.02.28 19:11:00 -
[454]
Well folks lets try and stop this forum sillyness.
It's getting us nowhere.
Except create a lot of resentment over a damn game.
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j0sephine
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Posted - 2006.02.28 19:16:00 -
[455]
"The guy in charge of SA never post on Eve-O, he is an incredibly charismatic leader and could be said to be Eve's answer to Grand Admiral Thrawn of Star Wars fame. I'm quite sure this person is not your average gamer and I dont even want to know his background before he started playing Eve.
Fom actually communicating with him, I can say he is an incredibly calm, well mannered and resourceful individual, as well as being a tactical, strategical genious."
... so that's what Xirtam has been up to. anger management and alliance swap o.O;
(sorry. sorry. honestly no disrespect meant, but this whole "dark, mysterious and ingenious ruler no one but us ever gets to see" thing was sooooo asking for it ^^;;;
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DB Preacher
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Posted - 2006.02.28 19:29:00 -
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Originally by: Kazim Well folks lets try and stop this forum sillyness.
It's getting us nowhere.
Except create a lot of resentment over a damn game.
Speak for yourself.
You wouldn't believe where it's getting our side.
dbp
Current RKK Ranking: (PSCAL6) Proficient Short Tanto
Drop by and say hi in Reikoku Forums.
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Xelios
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Posted - 2006.02.28 19:39:00 -
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Originally by: Randay
Originally by: Xelios The pre-emptive strike was launched because it was clear a war wouldn't be averted, not because we were all eager to **** BoB off in any way we could.
sa - hey lets send a 20 man fleet down to destroy bob in one fell swoop before they can war us! rrrrrrrrrrrrrriiiiggghhht.
When did I say we were out to destroy BoB in that attack? I tried to make a constructive post, yours was just pure smack and flamebait.
Quote: Just fyi, Fix was asked to make this post by The Coalition as far as I remember.
Who asked them to make the post had nothing to do with it, the point is the cease fire was offered because BoB stepped in and demanded it. Without that demand from BoB we'd all have been happy to continue pressing into Querious, even after the cease fire was reached most of SA/Coalition wanted to keep going. The FIX post made it seem like we asked them for a cease fire because we couldn't handle the heat they were bringing.
That's why this time around a simple cease fire wouldn't cut it, they provoked us again and again they lost so this time we were out for a formal surrender.
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Thor Arnuin
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Posted - 2006.02.28 19:39:00 -
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Originally by: Xelios we were approached by BoB to work up a cease fire. Only this time we weren't going to take the same BS, and all indications were that BS was coming once again. So the conditions of the cease fire were reworked to demand a full surrender from FIX, not a simple "Till next time". This rewording could have been done better I suppose, but that's one area where (IMO) we were at fault.
At that point BoB basically threatened force and revoked SA's "friend" status in 0.0, and from there things got outta control. Combined with bitter feelings from the last FIX encounter many people were all to eager to see the new FIX war through to the very end, namely a full surrender from FIX. But of course that wasn't coming, not while BoB had their backs. The pre-emptive strike was launched because it was clear a war wouldn't be averted, not because we were all eager to **** BoB off in any way we could.
Dont get me wrong but in-order to demand a full surrender dont you have to first completely defeat you enemy? When did you hold 3BK, H74, 9cg6, and FAT?
I may just be a dumb alt, but that bit does seem to confuse me.
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Emilia Hussain
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Posted - 2006.02.28 19:41:00 -
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Edited by: Emilia Hussain on 28/02/2006 19:44:03
Quote: ... so that's what Xirtam has been up to. anger management and alliance swap o.O;
(sorry. sorry. honestly no disrespect meant, but this whole "dark, mysterious and ingenious ruler no one but us ever gets to see" thing was sooooo asking for it ^^;;;
What can I say? If your charismatic enough, and you are well aware of that, why not be the leader of MORE than one alliance at the same time? Eve lets you do that if your a retired individual with enourmous spare time
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Xelios
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Posted - 2006.02.28 19:44:00 -
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Originally by: Thor Arnuin
Originally by: Xelios we were approached by BoB to work up a cease fire. Only this time we weren't going to take the same BS, and all indications were that BS was coming once again. So the conditions of the cease fire were reworked to demand a full surrender from FIX, not a simple "Till next time". This rewording could have been done better I suppose, but that's one area where (IMO) we were at fault.
At that point BoB basically threatened force and revoked SA's "friend" status in 0.0, and from there things got outta control. Combined with bitter feelings from the last FIX encounter many people were all to eager to see the new FIX war through to the very end, namely a full surrender from FIX. But of course that wasn't coming, not while BoB had their backs. The pre-emptive strike was launched because it was clear a war wouldn't be averted, not because we were all eager to **** BoB off in any way we could.
Dont get me wrong but in-order to demand a full surrender dont you have to first completely defeat you enemy? When did you hold 3BK, H74, 9cg6, and FAT?
I may just be a dumb alt, but that bit does seem to confuse me.
Well here was the situation. We were inside Querious, FAT was under our complete control and we had roaming gangs in Querious constantly. Had the war continued this wouldn't have changed, and we'd have started destroying POS's left and right. But BoB stepped in before it could reach that point, and given that in the last FIX war we did control most of their key systems by the end we wanted a surrender. If FIX wasn't prepared to offer a surrender we were fully prepared to keep fighting until they did, which is why the war with BoB would have been inevitable.
Querious isn't all that big after all, and it's a short hop from FAT to all of FIX's key systems.
Signature removed. -Zhuge ([email protected]) Woot.
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Hiccup
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Posted - 2006.02.28 19:57:00 -
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Haha Orc's post reminded me of the Dude in the Big Lebowski's limo: 'New **** has come to light man and you aren't privy to all this new **** so...'
All this boils down into is a big fight. That will settle everything. The only problem is that CCP servers can't handle it. That's why they should give us weapons at the Vegas convention. That way we can beat the crap out of each other IRL.
Im not sure I'm going to make it though. Korn is playing on the 15th or 16th and it's my friend's bday gift to go. Which day is st. patties day? We're supposed to be down there for that.
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GoGo Yubari
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Posted - 2006.02.28 20:33:00 -
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Originally by: Emilia Hussain
Quote: Also, no one still knows who is in charge of SA except that Orc is their "voice". I think this proves the original point of this whole soap opera of a thread that SA needs to supply the rest of Eve with some information about who's in charge, who can make decisions, and whom to contact for diplomatic purposes
The guy in charge of SA never post on Eve-O, he is an incredibly charismatic leader and could be said to be Eve's answer to Grand Admiral Thrawn of Star Wars fame. I'm quite sure this person is not your average gamer and I dont even want to know his background before he started playing Eve.
Fom actually communicating with him, I can say he is an incredibly calm, well mannered and resourceful individual, as well as being a tactical, strategical genious. And from the reading up on BOB postings here, none of them seem to have any idea who this person is.
With him at the helm, dont be too sure to come up victorious, if you happen to be his enemy.
OMG ELVIS LIVES.
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Randay
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Posted - 2006.02.28 20:40:00 -
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Edited by: Randay on 28/02/2006 20:40:21 Edited by: Randay on 28/02/2006 20:40:00
Originally by: Xelios When did I say we were out to destroy BoB in that attack? I tried to make a constructive post, yours was just pure smack and flamebait.
obviously you are just talking out of your ass. i will get back to that after i point out that sending a 20 man "pre-emptive strike force" into bob space would accomplish nothing but ****ing off bob. its plain as day that you sent that fleet in just because you were mad that you werent getting your way and wanted to shoot bob, like a little kid throwing a temper tantrum.
now back to you talking out of your ass, the entire fix-coalition war was stopped by bob, fix didnt want it, and neither did coalition. that was all done through the power of bob. the fact that coalition was attacking fix space was because fix gave up the station ping pong game that was going on for about 2 weeks prior to the ceasefire. we wanted action and that meant letting you guys come into our space, as fat pingpong did not provide action and stain space is all npc stations.
but the biggest clue of all, that you are just yapping, is that you say you would have destroyed pos's left and right. a little history lesson, there was no pos war back in those days my friend. back then pos were just a toy for the industrialists to play with and had nothing to do with conquerable stations.
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Kujin
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Posted - 2006.02.28 21:35:00 -
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Edited by: Kujin on 28/02/2006 21:35:22
Originally by: Randay Edited by: Randay on 28/02/2006 20:40:21 but the biggest clue of all, that you are just yapping, is that you say you would have destroyed pos's left and right. a little history lesson, there was no pos war back in those days my friend. back then pos were just a toy for the industrialists to play with and had nothing to do with conquerable stations.
edit:darn quote tags
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Xantor
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Posted - 2006.02.28 22:04:00 -
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Originally by: Xelios
Originally by: Thor Arnuin
Originally by: Xelios we were approached by BoB to work up a cease fire. Only this time we weren't going to take the same BS, and all indications were that BS was coming once again. So the conditions of the cease fire were reworked to demand a full surrender from FIX, not a simple "Till next time". This rewording could have been done better I suppose, but that's one area where (IMO) we were at fault.
At that point BoB basically threatened force and revoked SA's "friend" status in 0.0, and from there things got outta control. Combined with bitter feelings from the last FIX encounter many people were all to eager to see the new FIX war through to the very end, namely a full surrender from FIX. But of course that wasn't coming, not while BoB had their backs. The pre-emptive strike was launched because it was clear a war wouldn't be averted, not because we were all eager to **** BoB off in any way we could.
Dont get me wrong but in-order to demand a full surrender dont you have to first completely defeat you enemy? When did you hold 3BK, H74, 9cg6, and FAT?
I may just be a dumb alt, but that bit does seem to confuse me.
Well here was the situation. We were inside Querious, FAT was under our complete control and we had roaming gangs in Querious constantly. Had the war continued this wouldn't have changed, and we'd have started destroying POS's left and right. But BoB stepped in before it could reach that point, and given that in the last FIX war we did control most of their key systems by the end we wanted a surrender. If FIX wasn't prepared to offer a surrender we were fully prepared to keep fighting until they did, which is why the war with BoB would have been inevitable.
Querious isn't all that big after all, and it's a short hop from FAT to all of FIX's key systems.
Too many ifs and whens at all... you should play lotto if you can look in the future.
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Elgin Marble
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Posted - 2006.02.28 23:26:00 -
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Heh, people on these forums keep on forgetting the facts on the ground.
FIX lost 0 POS in the FAT campaign lasting over a month against SA/HUZZAH/KAOS/IMP/SE (yes, all these alliances were involved at various points), but lost the station for a few days when FOFF left the alliance, due to the sovereignty bug.
FIX retook the system in a day, killing at least 6 SA POS. SA didn't even turn up to defend them.
BoB were not militarily involved in any of this.
Stain- Allaince, you were out-played, out-thought, out-manoeuvred, and out-negotiated.
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Saal Iverson
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Posted - 2006.02.28 23:28:00 -
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<SA/SE/Coalition> We woulda shoudla coulda beat fix down.
but DIDNT...... strange that. your best oppotunity was your first along side back then bob atuk, russians, shrina and god knows who else was attacking fix back then.
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Khaerie
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Posted - 2006.02.28 23:43:00 -
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I think useful information in this thread has officially dried up.
Draxx, you can always contact me ingame ya brat. 
Orc A, we can continue discussions in-game instead. Nothing more useful can be said in forums.
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Raid
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Posted - 2006.03.01 00:11:00 -
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Originally by: Saal Iverson <SA/SE/Coalition> We woulda shoudla coulda beat fix down.
but DIDNT...... strange that. your best oppotunity was your first along side back then bob atuk, russians, shrina and god knows who else was attacking fix back then.
why do you always keep*****ing it up?
HUH? BOB kept steping in to save Fix... thats why... are you even reading the thread dude? or are you just posting because you dont like SA?
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TheSoul
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Posted - 2006.03.01 00:32:00 -
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Originally by: Xelios
Then FIX took advantage of the SE/SA dispute to once again invade FAT and Catch, while BoB did nothing to intervene in the interests of southern stability. Once again we came back and pushed them out of FAT and into Querious, and once again we were approached by BoB to work up a cease fire. Only this time we weren't going to take the same BS, and all indications were that BS was coming once again. So the conditions of the cease fire were reworked to demand a full surrender from FIX, not a simple "Till next time". This rewording could have been done better I suppose, but that's one area where (IMO) we were at fault.
At that point BoB basically threatened force and revoked SA's "friend" status in 0.0, and from there things got outta control. Combined with bitter feelings from the last FIX encounter many people were all to eager to see the new FIX war through to the very end, namely a full surrender from FIX. But of course that wasn't coming, not while BoB had their backs. The pre-emptive strike was launched because it was clear a war wouldn't be averted, not because we were all eager to **** BoB off in any way we could.
In the end both sides are at fault for the situation we're in now. But hell, this is why I play EVE, exactly this kind of drama soaked politics ending in some fun PVP for everyone. Keeps the game alive 
um, SE gave FAT to fix, fix didnt even have to invade it because it was freely given to them.
Overall, you blew your 1 chance at ever defeating fix. If your goal was to destroy them you should of used diplomacy. If you had accepted the 1st deal, you would of had catch, you could of probably pushed for travel rights, imagine how ****ed fix would of been. Then along the road fix might of slipped up and you could of destroyed them once and for all.
Tbh your childish diplomatic solutions to this conflict has only screwed yourselves and in the end made it a victory for fix 
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Mag's
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Posted - 2006.03.01 01:41:00 -
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Originally by: TheSoul
um, SE gave FAT to fix, fix didnt even have to invade it because it was freely given to them.
Yea that was a nice move, but it puts BoBs talk of southern stability into perspective.
Originally by: TheSoul
and in the end made it a victory for fix 
So FIX shouting from behind BoBs shirt tails is classed as a victory? Mkay.
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TheSoul
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Posted - 2006.03.01 02:10:00 -
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Originally by: Mag's
So FIX shouting from behind BoBs shirt tails is classed as a victory? Mkay.
FiX has FAT again, if anything that is a victory :P
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Dianabolic
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Posted - 2006.03.01 02:40:00 -
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Originally by: Mag's
Originally by: TheSoul
um, SE gave FAT to fix, fix didnt even have to invade it because it was freely given to them.
Yea that was a nice move, but it puts BoBs talk of southern stability into perspective.
Originally by: TheSoul
and in the end made it a victory for fix 
So FIX shouting from behind BoBs shirt tails is classed as a victory? Mkay.
As a pragamatist, would you rather shout from behind us, or in our face? FIX have done neither, but SA have done the latter - no points for observing the reaction.
Originally by: Thomas Jefferson A society that will trade a little liberty for a little security will lose both and deserve neither
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Breaka
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Posted - 2006.03.01 03:45:00 -
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Wow.
Interesting read.
On the one hand, it seems that a lot of SA peeps have been feeling under the thumb of BoB for a long time and now this was the proverbial last straw.
On the other, from an outsider's pov, it looks like SA brokered a deal, went back on it due to miscommunication and lack of solid "this is the guy" leadership, not to mention a rather abrasive fellow brokering the new terms, and BoB got offended.
Looks to me that if SA would choose a diplomat with a little more tact and social skills, that none of this would have happened. Perhaps war is the only way to solve this, save hiring a new official diplomat and naming a "go to guy".
Just my opinion of course.
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Sceartan
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Posted - 2006.03.01 03:56:00 -
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In answer to the OP - SA is lead by the CEOs. Votes are taken on various topics and the majority wins. Spokes people for the alliance are just that - the voice of the leadership.
MASS members can now stop posting since the topic has been answered, Stain pilots need to check the SA forums where you've been asked to stop posting - as decided by the CEOs.
Everyone knows the three sides the story (ours, theirs and the truth) so debating it any further is a pointless exercise.
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Destroyer Draxx
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Posted - 2006.03.01 06:55:00 -
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Edited by: Destroyer Draxx on 01/03/2006 06:59:29
Originally by: DB Preacher
Originally by: Kazim Well folks lets try and stop this forum sillyness.
It's getting us nowhere.
Except create a lot of resentment over a damn game.
Speak for yourself.
You wouldn't believe where it's getting our side.
dbp
I have to admit ur PR is very good, but i knew that already.
About what its getting u, or rather what u want it to get u,
1) Internal Strife for SA? 2) More ppl on the band wagon? Am I getting warm?
I can c y u would want the first, but dont u think u have enough of the second? I was under the impression u fought ur own battles. Then again I got that impression by reading forums, so there u go. Im not flaming u btw just curious I guess so I thought I would make few guesses. Feel free to dismiss my tinfoil hat theories as u please ;)
Originally by: Breaka Wow.
Interesting read.
On the one hand, it seems that a lot of SA peeps have been feeling under the thumb of BoB for a long time and now this was the proverbial last straw.
On the other, from an outsider's pov, it looks like SA brokered a deal, went back on it due to miscommunication and lack of solid "this is the guy" leadership, not to mention a rather abrasive fellow brokering the new terms, and BoB got offended.
Just my opinion of course.
Glad to c someone is actually reading n cing through the thick mists of propaganda all sides have laid out to at least get a couple of points correct. U are a sight for sore eyes these days m8
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Randay
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Posted - 2006.03.01 07:26:00 -
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Originally by: Destroyer Draxx jibba jabba
1. No I left fix and spent 3 months shooting npcs in empire. I didnt want to shoot anyone at all. Then I got bored and joined a pvp corp.
2. Noone had much(or any at all) assets in fat at the time because it was a ping pong war zone, we left ships at pos and logged at safes.
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DB Preacher
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Posted - 2006.03.01 07:58:00 -
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Originally by: Destroyer Draxx I have to admit ur PR is very good, but i knew that already.
About what its getting u, or rather what u want it to get u,
1) Internal Strife for SA? 2) More ppl on the band wagon? Am I getting warm?
I can c y u would want the first, but dont u think u have enough of the second? I was under the impression u fought ur own battles. Then again I got that impression by reading forums, so there u go. Im not flaming u btw just curious I guess so I thought I would make few guesses. Feel free to dismiss my tinfoil hat theories as u please ;)
The biggest problem with SA is that they are spending a lot of thier time since the beginning trying to second guess BoB based on what they read in the forums.
Whereas FIX and Trigger based their decisions on actual long-term ingame communication.
I can see how you must be confused as an alliance and completely missing the point with everything we say or do because if you deal with us ingame it is completely different to the persona on the forums.
Keep guessing all you want though, tis pretty funny for our boys.
dbp
Current RKK Ranking: (PSCAL6) Proficient Short Tanto
Drop by and say hi in Reikoku Forums.
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Saal Iverson
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Posted - 2006.03.01 09:40:00 -
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Originally by: Raid
Originally by: Saal Iverson <SA/SE/Coalition> We woulda shoudla coulda beat fix down.
but DIDNT...... strange that. your best oppotunity was your first along side back then bob atuk, russians, shrina and god knows who else was attacking fix back then.
why do you always keep*****ing it up?
HUH? BOB kept steping in to save Fix... thats why... are you even reading the thread dude? or are you just posting because you dont like SA?
same reason your posting because you dont like fix "DUDE"? if you keep looking back like the coalition ribble rabble was close to being the death of fix holds no warrent as the actual actions of some of the coalition joinin up with stain again before bob stepped in at all. you will find things said to stain backt then were said to fix. so its hardly like bob stepped in on fix's behalf. in all fairness bob were more likely to step in on stains side back then if it kicked off after species and whoever else rejoined stain. aside from all there other allies.
you ever noticed fix doesn't really pull in other allies to do there fighting for them though. triad never stepped in they jsut kept on doing what they were doing like they were for the past months, taking advantage of any situation to get more fights. Like they were still doing right?
its ok to admit you and your buddies screwed it. now jsut play game. and quit the "WE COULDA DONE IT HONEST WE COULD". its boring. |

Mag's
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Posted - 2006.03.01 09:56:00 -
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Originally by: Saal Iverson Stuff....
You'll find the talks were already underway when some left the coalition, because alot of people in the coalition didn't like the timing.
Infact lots of directors in Species, didn't know about the move to SE, till they logged on the next day.
But how would you know, you don't seem to have a clue. Go figure. 
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Boonaki
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Posted - 2006.03.01 10:00:00 -
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Originally by: R4d1o4ct1v3 My question is simple. Who is leading the Stain- Alliance?
Reason I ask is, it seemes to me that SA politics have turned into a chaotic mess and I would really like to know who is responsible.
After 240 posts, has your question been answered? Fear the Ibis of doom. |

Xantina
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Posted - 2006.03.01 10:00:00 -
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Edited by: Xantina on 01/03/2006 10:00:18
Originally by: Xelios
Well here was the situation. We were inside Querious, FAT was under our complete control and we had roaming gangs in Querious constantly. Had the war continued this wouldn't have changed, and we'd have started destroying POS's left and right. But BoB stepped in before it could reach that point, and given that in the last FIX war we did control most of their key systems by the end we wanted a surrender. If FIX wasn't prepared to offer a surrender we were fully prepared to keep fighting until they did, which is why the war with BoB would have been inevitable.
Querious isn't all that big after all, and it's a short hop from FAT to all of FIX's key systems.
You seem to forget that SA had rather free roam in Querious because the majority of FIX was sitting in FAT. After you conquered FAT - where do you think those 100+ pilots would have been if not in Querious? You had roaming gangs in Querious for a few short days after the war started new and they were quickly dealt with, no ifs and whens. All ifs and whens aside: SA missed their tide.
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Saal Iverson
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Posted - 2006.03.01 10:06:00 -
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Originally by: Mag's
Originally by: Saal Iverson Stuff....
You'll find the talks were already underway when some left the coalition, because alot of people in the coalition didn't like the timing.
Infact lots of directors in Species, didn't know about the move to SE, till they logged on the next day.
But how would you know, you don't seem to have a clue. Go figure. 
then that just goes to show how little folks in the coalition really knew what was going on when there own directors dont have a clue what is even going on i there own corp. |

Elgin Marble
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Posted - 2006.03.01 10:25:00 -
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I just love the irony of how MASS went back to Stain in order to 'sort it out', and this is the result 
A failure of command, a failure of leadership, a failure of diplomacy, and a failure of strategy.
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Cirra
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Posted - 2006.03.01 11:17:00 -
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If you put a burning cigarette in a frogs throat it's gonna explode..... this is getting boring.
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Mag's
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Posted - 2006.03.01 11:17:00 -
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Originally by: Saal Iverson More Stuff....
.... tell you what, go buy a clue, then try and join in.
Originally by: Elgin Marble
I just love the irony of how MASS went back to Stain in order to 'sort it out', and this is the result
A failure of command, a failure of leadership, a failure of diplomacy, and a failure of strategy.
Where did it all go wrong?  
The heart of MASS never left stain, MASS is stain.
As far as things going wrong, I do think things could have been handled better on all sides.
Everyone has there own take on how things could/should have gone, but SA is still there, not sure that'll change tbh. 
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Mag's
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Posted - 2006.03.01 11:19:00 -
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Originally by: Cirra If you put a burning cigarette in a frogs throat it's gonna explode..... this is getting boring.
Not sure about the frog, but the rest is true. 
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Destroyer Draxx
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Posted - 2006.03.01 11:59:00 -
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Edited by: Destroyer Draxx on 01/03/2006 11:58:57
Originally by: Randay
Originally by: Destroyer Draxx jibba jabba
1. No I left fix and spent 3 months shooting npcs in empire. I didnt want to shoot anyone at all. Then I got bored and joined a pvp corp.
2. Noone had much(or any at all) assets in fat at the time because it was a ping pong war zone, we left ships at pos and logged at safes.
3. yes I know that...
Covered me on all point. Cheers
Originally by: DB Preacher The biggest problem with SA is that they are spending a lot of thier time since the beginning trying to second guess BoB based on what they read in the forums.
Whereas FIX and Trigger based their decisions on actual long-term ingame communication.
I can see how you must be confused as an alliance and completely missing the point with everything we say or do because if you deal with us ingame it is completely different to the persona on the forums.
Keep guessing all you want though, tis pretty funny for our boys.
dbp
I m replying to ur "U dont know what its done for us" (forumposting thats is) remark. Btw its just me not my whole alliance ;) n glad i can offer ur boys some fun 
Originally by: DB Preacher I can see how you must be confused as an alliance and completely missing the point with everything we say or do because if you deal with us ingame it is completely different to the persona on the forums.
I can imagine this as it works both ways. Not always perhaps but in most cases Confused as an alliance not. Personally dazed n confused, but it doesnt have to do anyones forums posting. It got to do with huzzah's banner . Dont tell me its bad btw I know ;P
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Saal Iverson
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Posted - 2006.03.01 12:01:00 -
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Originally by: Mag's
Originally by: Saal Iverson Stuff....
You'll find the talks were already underway when some left the coalition, because alot of people in the coalition didn't like the timing.
Infact lots of directors in Species, didn't know about the move to SE, till they logged on the next day.
But how would you know, you don't seem to have a clue. Go figure. 
Stuff heh cute. talks always happen tat doesn't mean anythign was actualyl agreed. i.e ceasefires or naps and all that fibble. fix had a gang just jumped into fat with cujo and some other thigns screaming they now had a nap (talks were going on and onyl confirmed afew horus later when species had already joined stain again (with the others who jumped the coalition ship).
in the gang that jumped into fat was a jcos, and afew of the fleet command also. so it wasn't like these guys had no clue was it? i still go shopping for clues then.
you shoudl really think about what you post when you put your veiw/opinion on here then onces its replied to end up doing somethign which resemables of "LA LA LA I AM NOW LISTENING (while sticking your fingers in your ears because you dont want to read it) .
By saying that its boring because you are to inept to put more conviction in what you say. if i dont have a clue put out how or where dont just say you COULD have set me strait.
seriously you guys have gotta stop saying what you could do or could say. instead of going for the baby insult/slur |

Mag's
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Posted - 2006.03.01 12:54:00 -
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Originally by: Saal Iverson
Even more stuff...
There is no point me arguing with you about what happened back then. Simply because you don't have a clue, only small pieces of information you have gathered together in a adhoc way. All the rest of the ramblings from you only serve to confirm this.
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Mag's
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Posted - 2006.03.01 13:14:00 -
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Originally by: Saal Iverson
if you keep looking back like the coalition ribble rabble was close to being the death of fix holds no warrent as the actual actions of some of the coalition joinin up with stain again before bob stepped in at all.
Originally by: Saal Iverson
Stuff heh cute. talks always happen tat doesn't mean anythign was actualyl agreed. i.e ceasefires or naps and all that fibble. fix had a gang just jumped into fat with cujo and some other thigns screaming they now had a nap
Sorted, BoB did start talks before Species moved to SE.
Originally by: Saal Iverson
its ok to admit you and your buddies screwed it. now jsut play game. and quit the "WE COULDA DONE IT HONEST WE COULD". its boring.
So, does you saying boring, make you inept also?
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Saal Iverson
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Posted - 2006.03.01 13:35:00 -
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inept not because its boring, boring because you lack any ability to make any point and opt for being petty in any argument your trying to put forward.
like i said talks were always going on for this or that. not nothign agreed or put in stone till after they jumped into there saftey bosom of stain.
so unless you gonna be stubbon in your i said so it is so retorts. where doyou expect this to lead? i aint gonna start calling you a kid. but you are certainly displying he characteristics of one such as:
"WAAAH WE COULDA DONE THAT IF WE REALYL WANTED"
"WAAH GET A CLUEEE I SAID IT SO THATS ALL"
"IF I STAMP MY FEET LOUD ENOUGH EVERYONE WILL KNOW I'M HERE STILL"
"WAH WAH ITS NOT FAIR, BOB'S JUST A BIG BULLY!!!!"
"WE WON CUZ WE SAID SO"
that what you really want it to go down too?
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Al Haquis
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Posted - 2006.03.01 16:29:00 -
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So btw who is in charge of SA?
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Greyhound
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Posted - 2006.03.01 16:56:00 -
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Although I think sometimes knowing the exact political structure can lead to a disadvantage; a long time ago there was a council with one person representing the public face.
This was so long ago, I don't think it is even relevant. However, if the OP is truly curious and did not write the entire post for flamebait, the best bet would be to message one of the people involved.
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Boonaki
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Posted - 2006.03.01 17:33:00 -
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Originally by: Al Haquis So btw who is in charge of SA?
I don't think anyone knows.
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Darpz
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Posted - 2006.03.01 17:56:00 -
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Edited by: Darpz on 01/03/2006 17:56:43
Originally by: Boonaki
Originally by: Al Haquis So btw who is in charge of SA?
I don't think anyone knows.
we are rules by zombie hamptsers...yup you heard me zombi hampsters to lead the dead SA zombie fleets
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Iberi
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Posted - 2006.03.01 18:00:00 -
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Since now, I am in charge of Stain-Alliance. Obey immediately!
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Aiden Carlyle
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Posted - 2006.03.01 18:09:00 -
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Originally by: Boonaki "So btw who is in charge of SA?"
I don't think anyone knows.
Grand Admiral Thrawn, IIRC. 
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Al Haquis
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Posted - 2006.03.01 18:10:00 -
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Actuall no joke kids. Im really curius to know who is the face and head of SA.
My life is simple . DP says Al get your ass to carebear for me , and i go yes my Sexor Minnie lady and i start minning. Molle goes these guys need to die , so off i go to kill people.
So sorry you SA guys this is not meant as a "smack" just really want to know if some one is in charge in your camp.
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Emilia Hussain
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Posted - 2006.03.01 18:21:00 -
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Check SA killboard, and use your instincts. Nuff said
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Al Haquis
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Posted - 2006.03.01 18:27:00 -
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So your telling me that FC become automatice Political leaders in SA?
And if that is so , well then good luck SA.
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Zhuge Liang

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Posted - 2006.03.01 18:29:00 -
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Thread has run its course.
MUHAHAHAH you think thats a deterrent?!?! - Ductoris
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