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Zysco
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Posted - 2006.02.27 17:31:00 -
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I mean besides the blasterthron looking cooler on fraps and in general being much more fun to fly. I mean a practical reason.
Dual 250 II domi does more damage than a blasterthron, the supposed king of close range damage. It can also either shield or armor tank with a good tank, or it can armor tank with jammers.
Nos domi does less damage than a blasterthron, but the nos + heavy tank owns any bs at close range, where the blasterthron is supposed to be king.
Oh yeah, and it costs 1/2 as much and is effective against all size of ships.
Seriously, I want to fly my blasterthron around, but having a domi in the same station means I never do.
Boost blasters 
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Darpz
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Posted - 2006.02.27 17:32:00 -
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mega is really only useful as a fleet sip currently
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Kaylana Syi
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Posted - 2006.02.27 17:35:00 -
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In reality pretty much the best BS in the game in one on one BS fights IS the domi. Not much can beat it unless you catch it off guard. A good pilot shouldn't loose it to another BS. There are a few exceptions to everything... but that takes an exceptional pilot to pull off.
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Zysco
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Posted - 2006.02.27 17:37:00 -
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Originally by: Kaylana Syi
In reality pretty much the best BS in the game in one on one BS fights IS the domi. Not much can beat it unless you catch it off guard. A good pilot shouldn't loose it to another BS. There are a few exceptions to everything... but that takes an exceptional pilot to pull off.
I'm not talking just 1v1s, I'm talking any smallish gang fight, which usually happen at close range. At close range, in any fight, a domi > blasterthron, which is retarded.
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Drommy
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Posted - 2006.02.27 17:39:00 -
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yeh with decent drone skills they uber pwn
with long range sentry drones, and a drone controlly thing in ur high u can hit up to 70km for wreckers of like 300+ with decent skills,
*drommy loves sentry drones atm*
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Thomas Torquemada
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Posted - 2006.02.27 17:39:00 -
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Originally by: Zysco
I mean besides the blasterthron looking cooler on fraps and in general being much more fun to fly. I mean a practical reason.
Dual 250 II domi does more damage than a blasterthron, the supposed king of close range damage. It can also either shield or armor tank with a good tank, or it can armor tank with jammers.
Nos domi does less damage than a blasterthron, but the nos + heavy tank owns any bs at close range, where the blasterthron is supposed to be king.
Oh yeah, and it costs 1/2 as much and is effective against all size of ships.
Seriously, I want to fly my blasterthron around, but having a domi in the same station means I never do.
Boost blasters
Point out the CCP/Info stats, showing that a blasterthron is SUPPOSED to be king.
it's nothing more than a common setup type that people "SAY" should own.
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Farjung
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Posted - 2006.02.27 17:41:00 -
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Originally by: Zysco
I mean besides the blasterthron looking cooler on fraps and in general being much more fun to fly.
That's the only reason. Dalman's been saying this for years ;p.
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LUKEC
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Posted - 2006.02.27 17:46:00 -
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No, domi is 4tw and far superior to blasterthron in most cases. Only in fleets, 425mms are better there than 6x 425 mm on domi. Problem is that sentry drones need drone augmentators on hi slots to work ok, so...
But you won't beat good blasterthron with rail/vampa domi witout EW. There are other setups ofc. that can do it:)
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MrCjEvans
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Posted - 2006.02.27 17:50:00 -
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hmmm how is it far superior? i can fit 5 'heavy' nos 3 blasters and 2 L reps? is it still far superior~?
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HippoKing
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Posted - 2006.02.27 17:51:00 -
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no, because all the cool kids have dominixes 
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Zysco
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Posted - 2006.02.27 17:56:00 -
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Originally by: MrCjEvans
hmmm how is it far superior? i can fit 5 'heavy' nos 3 blasters and 2 L reps? is it still far superior~?
Well, um, yeah. Cause a domi can do that but also jam and do a LOT more damage than you.
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LUKEC
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Posted - 2006.02.27 17:57:00 -
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Originally by: MrCjEvans
hmmm how is it far superior? i can fit 5 'heavy' nos 3 blasters and 2 L reps? is it still far superior~?
Yes.
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LUKEC
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Posted - 2006.02.27 17:59:00 -
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Edited by: LUKEC on 27/02/2006 18:00:17
nm... domi is better than suckathron. Well thron sucks anyway.
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Baun
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Posted - 2006.02.27 18:07:00 -
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Unless you have a Vindicator OR no drone skills to speak of there is no reason to ever fit blasters on your Megathron instead of using a dominix.
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Beringe
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Posted - 2006.02.27 18:15:00 -
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The megathron has only one less med slot than the domi, so it can jam pretty well if set up for it.
The big difference is in the drones. The mega's two extra high slots don't make up for it.
However, a mega is very useful in a team of 2-3, as the quick damage dealer.
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Buraken v2
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Posted - 2006.02.27 18:15:00 -
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Old new rule: Only one AB/MWD per ship
New Rule: Only one NOS per ship, prob solved.
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Noriath
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Posted - 2006.02.27 18:26:00 -
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Edited by: Noriath on 27/02/2006 18:28:04
Highslots are really irelevant, it's the combination of grossly overpowered EW with grossly overpowered ET and then drones to kill the helpless ship that makes the Dominix so powerful.
The only reason the Dominix is so scary is because it has the drones to still kill you after using every other slot to shut you down. I think Eve is possibly one of the last MMORPGs where the devs haven't figured out yet that anything that allows you to make it so your enemy can't fight back while you kill them will be the coffin nail for every enemy. The Dominix is just the ship that can make use of that oversight the best because it can kill enemies that can't do anything to fight back relatively fast with drones...
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Gronsak
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Posted - 2006.02.27 18:28:00 -
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a blasterthron gets more damage than a dominix, but not by far.
for that little bit less damage [200DPS me thinks] you can fit ecm in mids jamming one of your targets. you can hit upto 25km [50km with lead] vs the megas 10km. you have a great tank where the blasterthron has no tank or a **** tank.
all that said, i still perfer the megathron with blasters, i donno why but i never got into the domi.
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Spartan239
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Posted - 2006.02.27 18:30:00 -
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Originally by: Buraken v2
Edited by: Buraken v2 on 27/02/2006 18:15:59
Old new rule: Only one AB/MWD per ship
New Rule: Only one NOS per ship, prob solved.
Would balance alot of stuff and solve things, no more 6 nos domis 
6 nos isnt the only setup, 6 x Dual 250mm setup is evil as well
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Jacob Majestic
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Posted - 2006.02.27 18:31:00 -
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I think the Domi being better than the Megathron in 1v1 and small gang combat is more a treatise on small scale combat than the ships themselves. In the <20km engagement envelope, the typical weapons you'd fit on a Megathron (blasters or 425s) are next to worthless, whereas this range is pretty much optimal for any reasonable Domi (nos or dual 250s and drones). Over 20km, the Domi is neutered.
The solution is not to nerf the Domi (how'd you do that, anyway?) but to boost blasters to make a Megathron actually worth using up close -- right now the cap use of blasters makes the Megathron barely worth the trouble. Null L is a step in the right direction as well, significantly enlarging the Megathron's engagement envelope; however, T2 blasters are a nightmare to fit.
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AnxietyAttack
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Posted - 2006.02.27 18:48:00 -
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Totally agree there, blasters have needed some love for a long time. I love to fly them anyway ( Blasterthron's) coz to win with 1 takes balls imo, get close up, even if more of them, and go for it, kill or be killed, none of this hiding at 200k and sniping, yuk
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Justin Cody
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Posted - 2006.02.27 18:52:00 -
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The reason the dominix is great at the moment is because CCP has decided to treat drones as modules of a ship. SO a dominix has more modules than any other ship within its class, and gets a bonus to them on top of that. There is no need to nerf the domi though, the mega could use a cap increase and maybe a grid increase. In relation to other races, no other tier 1 outclasses its big brother in the same way.
tech II heavy drones have nearly the hp of a cruiser or better, so good luck killing them. No other ship can throw that kind of fire power without using a single iota of capactor. Yes the domi has limited grid (and thank god for that)
I don't fly gallente ships but I do have some empathy for those that do, I fly Caldari and Amarr and with those two races each tier of ship has a different role, with amarr shifting between assault and tank, to caldari shifting from ECM to long range standoff. Mega and domi's also work together with the classic galente fighting style. Gallente like to get in your face with maximum damage and between the two, a great assault duo is formed.
each race prefers a certain range variance and different fighting tactics. (there is a reason why scorpions are called primary so often)
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Noriath
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Posted - 2006.02.27 19:09:00 -
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Edited by: Noriath on 27/02/2006 19:09:27
People who say "Nerf the Domi" just don't get it. It's not about the Domi in the least, it's about EW and ET being overpowered when combined with a ship that can deal damage while not using any slots.
The only real solution is to get rid of Dronebays alltogether and just make "Hangar Highslots" where you need to fit a hangar for every drone that you want to launch. Drones would have to be a lot better then though, because they would be a primary weapon system that if you fit it on your ship would have to be able to completly replace other guns or NOS for damage.
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Ghostof Duhoh
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Posted - 2006.02.27 19:20:00 -
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Ishkur dominates Frigate PvP
Ishtar dominates Cruiser PvP
Dominix dominates Battleship PvP
Drones Pwnes. Dominix in reality has 11 highslots since you cannot kill the 2k HP drones before your cap runs dry. Then the 5 ghost highslots (the drones) are effectively unkillable in small scale fights which goes against the whole point of drones being 'expendable DPS'
If someone does kill one, who cares? launch a new one. Your drones will last longer than the oppositions hull.
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LUKEC
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Posted - 2006.02.27 19:29:00 -
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Originally by: Ghostof Duhoh
Ishkur dominates Frigate PvP
Ishtar dominates Cruiser PvP
Dominix dominates Battleship PvP
Now lets get some facts straight here.
Ishkur will die to retribution, unless retri gets jammed.
Ishtar vs vagabond is very tight. Also zealot can pop ishtar if it is fitted ok.
Domi dominates what exactly? The role that raven was in? Or maybe scorp, killing everthing smaller than BS in 1 volley or jamming everything to hell and back?
It is nasty with vampa and EW, but there are other setups that are far more deadly. And when i see 5x heavy nosf for dominix, i think i'm going to cry.
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Gierling
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Posted - 2006.02.27 19:32:00 -
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Theres a simple solution, never PVP alone.
For group PVP and especially fleet work the Domi is second fiddle to the Mega.
PRoposal to fix blobbing and make Charisma useful.
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Wizie
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Posted - 2006.02.27 19:35:00 -
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Originally by: Gierling
Theres a simple solution, never PVP alone.
For group PVP and especially fleet work the Domi is second fiddle to the Mega.
Where would the fun be in only gang fights? I play this game to fly with friends, but also to do solo killing.
Zysco you noob, forget the Domi, the Mega is just soooo sexxy.
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Wee Dave
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Posted - 2006.02.27 19:37:00 -
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The Dominix is very flexible. It's true that a Raven comes close to matching it in 1v1 (if the Domi has t2 jammers, and is skilled at using them, it can be tricky unless the Raven pilot also has EW). But the Raven pilot usually can't sustain high damage output against smaller ships. A NOS Dominix can wade into a gang of four or five interceptors without trouble. If it has 3 or 4t2 multispecs, a gun domi could probably pull it off too.
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Zysco
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Posted - 2006.02.27 19:39:00 -
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Originally by: Gierling
Theres a simple solution, never PVP alone.
For group PVP and especially fleet work the Domi is second fiddle to the Mega.
Lol, how can you say "never pvp alone" while in your sig there is "proposal to fix blobbing."
And no, for group pvp (aka say 10v10), domi is superior. Only when you start blobbing up and fighting long range does the mega get good.
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Sarmaul
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Posted - 2006.02.27 19:41:00 -
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because going over 1k/s with some of the most powerful guns in EVE rocks.
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