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Zysco	Posted - 2006.02.27 17:31:00 - [1] I mean besides the blasterthron looking cooler on fraps and in general being much more fun to fly. I mean a practical reason. Dual 250 II domi does more damage than a blasterthron, the supposed king of close range damage. It can also either shield or armor tank with a good tank, or it can armor tank with jammers. Nos domi does less damage than a blasterthron, but the nos + heavy tank owns any bs at close range, where the blasterthron is supposed to be king. Oh yeah, and it costs 1/2 as much and is effective against all size of ships. Seriously, I want to fly my blasterthron around, but having a domi in the same station means I never do. Boost blasters
Darpz	Posted - 2006.02.27 17:32:00 - [2] mega is really only useful as a fleet sip currently ---------------------------------------- The only good fix is a dead fix
Kaylana Syi	Posted - 2006.02.27 17:35:00 - [3] In reality pretty much the best BS in the game in one on one BS fights IS the domi. Not much can beat it unless you catch it off guard. A good pilot shouldn't loose it to another BS. There are a few exceptions to everything... but that takes an exceptional pilot to pull off. Originally by: "Oveur" I don't react to threats any better than you do
Zysco	Posted - 2006.02.27 17:37:00 - [4] Originally by: Kaylana Syi In reality pretty much the best BS in the game in one on one BS fights IS the domi. Not much can beat it unless you catch it off guard. A good pilot shouldn't loose it to another BS. There are a few exceptions to everything... but that takes an exceptional pilot to pull off. I'm not talking just 1v1s, I'm talking any smallish gang fight, which usually happen at close range. At close range, in any fight, a domi > blasterthron, which is retarded.
Drommy	Posted - 2006.02.27 17:39:00 - [5] yeh with decent drone skills they uber pwn with long range sentry drones, and a drone controlly thing in ur high u can hit up to 70km for wreckers of like 300+ with decent skills, drommy loves sentry drones atm IF YOU AINT BLUE... YOUR GOO DARKSIDE INC
Thomas Torquemada	Posted - 2006.02.27 17:39:00 - [6] Originally by: Zysco I mean besides the blasterthron looking cooler on fraps and in general being much more fun to fly. I mean a practical reason. Dual 250 II domi does more damage than a blasterthron, the supposed king of close range damage. It can also either shield or armor tank with a good tank, or it can armor tank with jammers. Nos domi does less damage than a blasterthron, but the nos + heavy tank owns any bs at close range, where the blasterthron is supposed to be king. Oh yeah, and it costs 1/2 as much and is effective against all size of ships. Seriously, I want to fly my blasterthron around, but having a domi in the same station means I never do. Boost blasters Point out the CCP/Info stats, showing that a blasterthron is SUPPOSED to be king. it's nothing more than a common setup type that people "SAY" should own. UPC - PVP'ers Good and Bad, How Do You Want Peace? Through Talk Or In A Casket? We Decide! Peace My Brothers...
Farjung	Posted - 2006.02.27 17:41:00 - [7] Originally by: Zysco I mean besides the blasterthron looking cooler on fraps and in general being much more fun to fly. That's the only reason. Dalman's been saying this for years ;p.
LUKEC	Posted - 2006.02.27 17:46:00 - [8] No, domi is 4tw and far superior to blasterthron in most cases. Only in fleets, 425mms are better there than 6x 425 mm on domi. Problem is that sentry drones need drone augmentators on hi slots to work ok, so... But you won't beat good blasterthron with rail/vampa domi witout EW. There are other setups ofc. that can do it:) I use no guns... i smack to death.
MrCjEvans	Posted - 2006.02.27 17:50:00 - [9] hmmm how is it far superior? i can fit 5 'heavy' nos 3 blasters and 2 L reps? is it still far superior~?
HippoKing	Posted - 2006.02.27 17:51:00 - [10] no, because all the cool kids have dominixes sigs of the 23/24/25 hijack just as well -eris yarrrr, i shall retake my sig -HippoKing Not a chance, our 1337 sig haXx0r sk1llz are too powerful! - Wrangler Ho-Ho-Hooooooo, Merry Saturday!11 - Immy Yo ho ho and a bottle of BReeEEEEeee.... - Jacques ARRRRRRchambault Stop spamming with "QFT" >:\|. - Teblin
Zysco	Posted - 2006.02.27 17:56:00 - [11] Originally by: MrCjEvans hmmm how is it far superior? i can fit 5 'heavy' nos 3 blasters and 2 L reps? is it still far superior~? Well, um, yeah. Cause a domi can do that but also jam and do a LOT more damage than you.
LUKEC	Posted - 2006.02.27 17:57:00 - [12] Originally by: MrCjEvans hmmm how is it far superior? i can fit 5 'heavy' nos 3 blasters and 2 L reps? is it still far superior~? Yes. I use no guns... i smack to death.
LUKEC	Posted - 2006.02.27 17:59:00 - [13] Edited by: LUKEC on 27/02/2006 18:00:17 nm... domi is better than suckathron. Well thron sucks anyway. I use no guns... i smack to death.
Baun	Posted - 2006.02.27 18:07:00 - [14] Unless you have a Vindicator OR no drone skills to speak of there is no reason to ever fit blasters on your Megathron instead of using a dominix. The Enemy's Gate is Down
Beringe	Posted - 2006.02.27 18:15:00 - [15] The megathron has only one less med slot than the domi, so it can jam pretty well if set up for it. The big difference is in the drones. The mega's two extra high slots don't make up for it. However, a mega is very useful in a team of 2-3, as the quick damage dealer. ------------------------------------------- "Never underestimate the power of language." --Daitan Beringe, honorary director in charge of bottles--
Buraken v2	Posted - 2006.02.27 18:15:00 - [16] Old new rule: Only one AB/MWD per ship New Rule: Only one NOS per ship, prob solved.
Noriath	Posted - 2006.02.27 18:26:00 - [17] Edited by: Noriath on 27/02/2006 18:28:04 Highslots are really irelevant, it's the combination of grossly overpowered EW with grossly overpowered ET and then drones to kill the helpless ship that makes the Dominix so powerful. The only reason the Dominix is so scary is because it has the drones to still kill you after using every other slot to shut you down. I think Eve is possibly one of the last MMORPGs where the devs haven't figured out yet that anything that allows you to make it so your enemy can't fight back while you kill them will be the coffin nail for every enemy. The Dominix is just the ship that can make use of that oversight the best because it can kill enemies that can't do anything to fight back relatively fast with drones...
Gronsak	Posted - 2006.02.27 18:28:00 - [18] a blasterthron gets more damage than a dominix, but not by far. for that little bit less damage [200DPS me thinks] you can fit ecm in mids jamming one of your targets. you can hit upto 25km [50km with lead] vs the megas 10km. you have a great tank where the blasterthron has no tank or a ** tank. all that said, i still perfer the megathron with blasters, i donno why but i never got into the domi. -------------------Sig----------------------- Decrease blaster CPU useage** Decrease Hybrid cap useage Balance all weapon systems DO IT SOON
Spartan239	Posted - 2006.02.27 18:30:00 - [19] Originally by: Buraken v2 Edited by: Buraken v2 on 27/02/2006 18:15:59 Old new rule: Only one AB/MWD per ship New Rule: Only one NOS per ship, prob solved. Would balance alot of stuff and solve things, no more 6 nos domis 6 nos isnt the only setup, 6 x Dual 250mm setup is evil as well
Jacob Majestic	Posted - 2006.02.27 18:31:00 - [20] I think the Domi being better than the Megathron in 1v1 and small gang combat is more a treatise on small scale combat than the ships themselves. In the <20km engagement envelope, the typical weapons you'd fit on a Megathron (blasters or 425s) are next to worthless, whereas this range is pretty much optimal for any reasonable Domi (nos or dual 250s and drones). Over 20km, the Domi is neutered. The solution is not to nerf the Domi (how'd you do that, anyway?) but to boost blasters to make a Megathron actually worth using up close -- right now the cap use of blasters makes the Megathron barely worth the trouble. Null L is a step in the right direction as well, significantly enlarging the Megathron's engagement envelope; however, T2 blasters are a nightmare to fit.
AnxietyAttack	Posted - 2006.02.27 18:48:00 - [21] Totally agree there, blasters have needed some love for a long time. I love to fly them anyway ( Blasterthron's) coz to win with 1 takes balls imo, get close up, even if more of them, and go for it, kill or be killed, none of this hiding at 200k and sniping, yuk Kiss it
Justin Cody	Posted - 2006.02.27 18:52:00 - [22] The reason the dominix is great at the moment is because CCP has decided to treat drones as modules of a ship. SO a dominix has more modules than any other ship within its class, and gets a bonus to them on top of that. There is no need to nerf the domi though, the mega could use a cap increase and maybe a grid increase. In relation to other races, no other tier 1 outclasses its big brother in the same way. tech II heavy drones have nearly the hp of a cruiser or better, so good luck killing them. No other ship can throw that kind of fire power without using a single iota of capactor. Yes the domi has limited grid (and thank god for that) I don't fly gallente ships but I do have some empathy for those that do, I fly Caldari and Amarr and with those two races each tier of ship has a different role, with amarr shifting between assault and tank, to caldari shifting from ECM to long range standoff. Mega and domi's also work together with the classic galente fighting style. Gallente like to get in your face with maximum damage and between the two, a great assault duo is formed. each race prefers a certain range variance and different fighting tactics. (there is a reason why scorpions are called primary so often) /signs off
Noriath	Posted - 2006.02.27 19:09:00 - [23] Edited by: Noriath on 27/02/2006 19:09:27 People who say "Nerf the Domi" just don't get it. It's not about the Domi in the least, it's about EW and ET being overpowered when combined with a ship that can deal damage while not using any slots. The only real solution is to get rid of Dronebays alltogether and just make "Hangar Highslots" where you need to fit a hangar for every drone that you want to launch. Drones would have to be a lot better then though, because they would be a primary weapon system that if you fit it on your ship would have to be able to completly replace other guns or NOS for damage.
Ghostof Duhoh	Posted - 2006.02.27 19:20:00 - [24] Ishkur dominates Frigate PvP Ishtar dominates Cruiser PvP Dominix dominates Battleship PvP Drones Pwnes. Dominix in reality has 11 highslots since you cannot kill the 2k HP drones before your cap runs dry. Then the 5 ghost highslots (the drones) are effectively unkillable in small scale fights which goes against the whole point of drones being 'expendable DPS' If someone does kill one, who cares? launch a new one. Your drones will last longer than the oppositions hull.
LUKEC	Posted - 2006.02.27 19:29:00 - [25] Originally by: Ghostof Duhoh Ishkur dominates Frigate PvP Ishtar dominates Cruiser PvP Dominix dominates Battleship PvP Now lets get some facts straight here. Ishkur will die to retribution, unless retri gets jammed. Ishtar vs vagabond is very tight. Also zealot can pop ishtar if it is fitted ok. Domi dominates what exactly? The role that raven was in? Or maybe scorp, killing everthing smaller than BS in 1 volley or jamming everything to hell and back? It is nasty with vampa and EW, but there are other setups that are far more deadly. And when i see 5x heavy nosf for dominix, i think i'm going to cry. I use no guns... i smack to death.
Gierling	Posted - 2006.02.27 19:32:00 - [26] Theres a simple solution, never PVP alone. For group PVP and especially fleet work the Domi is second fiddle to the Mega. PRoposal to fix blobbing and make Charisma useful.
Wizie	Posted - 2006.02.27 19:35:00 - [27] Originally by: Gierling Theres a simple solution, never PVP alone. For group PVP and especially fleet work the Domi is second fiddle to the Mega. Where would the fun be in only gang fights? I play this game to fly with friends, but also to do solo killing. Zysco you noob, forget the Domi, the Mega is just soooo sexxy.
Wee Dave	Posted - 2006.02.27 19:37:00 - [28] The Dominix is very flexible. It's true that a Raven comes close to matching it in 1v1 (if the Domi has t2 jammers, and is skilled at using them, it can be tricky unless the Raven pilot also has EW). But the Raven pilot usually can't sustain high damage output against smaller ships. A NOS Dominix can wade into a gang of four or five interceptors without trouble. If it has 3 or 4t2 multispecs, a gun domi could probably pull it off too.
Zysco	Posted - 2006.02.27 19:39:00 - [29] Originally by: Gierling Theres a simple solution, never PVP alone. For group PVP and especially fleet work the Domi is second fiddle to the Mega. Lol, how can you say "never pvp alone" while in your sig there is "proposal to fix blobbing." And no, for group pvp (aka say 10v10), domi is superior. Only when you start blobbing up and fighting long range does the mega get good.
Sarmaul	Posted - 2006.02.27 19:41:00 - [30] because going over 1k/s with some of the most powerful guns in EVE rocks.
LUKEC	Posted - 2006.02.27 19:46:00 - [31] Originally by: Sarmaul because going over 1k/s with some of the most powerful guns in EVE rocks. Domi is not much slower than thron. Maybe 50m/s with mwd, but i think less :) I use no guns... i smack to death.
Sarmaul	Posted - 2006.02.27 19:55:00 - [32] Originally by: LUKEC Originally by: Sarmaul because going over 1k/s with some of the most powerful guns in EVE rocks. Domi is not much slower than thron. Maybe 50m/s with mwd, but i think less :) 65m/s actually , but the mega looks cooler doing it.
Aakron	Posted - 2006.02.27 20:06:00 - [33] Edited by: Aakron on 27/02/2006 20:06:59 Do we really need to nerf Nos/drones or Domis? I fly both Mega and Domi and I dont want to turn the domi into a pathetic and less versatile ship. Seriously please just boost the damage of mega blasters so that if you get into range you do the damage you deserve to do
Sarmaul	Posted - 2006.02.27 20:07:00 - [34] Originally by: Aakron Do we really need to nerf Nos/drones or Domis? Seriously please just boost the damage of mega blasters so that if you get into range you do the damage you deserve to do or, lower the fitting requirements so they (i.e. neutrons) are usuable with a proper tank.
Gabriel Karade	Posted - 2006.02.27 20:13:00 - [35] Edited by: Gabriel Karade on 27/02/2006 20:16:21 Originally by: Baun Unless you have a Vindicator OR no drone skills to speak of there is no reason to ever fit blasters on your Megathron instead of using a dominix. a) Its sexier - sleekest combat vessel in Eve b) 'Flavour of the month' crowd has latched onto the Dominix at the moment c) Dominix handles like a stuck pig... - Office Linebacker -
Spaceman Gene	Posted - 2006.02.27 20:26:00 - [36] Edited by: Spaceman Gene on 27/02/2006 20:26:29 Being a Noob and new Dominix pilot, what exactly are the better builds for the dominix? I hear lots of references to Nos and dual 250's but can you folks provide this noob with some cookie cutter builds to experiment with? Thanks in advance for any kind help offered. Gene
Foobie	Posted - 2006.02.27 20:39:00 - [37] I've been using blasters on my Megathron for quite some time, and I simply don't get it how a Dominix could eat me. The neutrons do nice damage and I can tank pretty well. I just have to see it before I believe it. ______________________________________ I am the governor of Rens. And yes, I inhaled.
Kaleeb	Posted - 2006.02.27 20:43:00 - [38] Whats the damage per second of 250 II domi setups? As I only fly the domi with nos. My blasterthron is around 960 dps without faction gear, implants or skills maxed and unless jammed will kill most bs's 15km and below
LUKEC	Posted - 2006.02.27 20:43:00 - [39] Originally by: Foobie I've been using blasters on my Megathron for quite some time, and I simply don't get it how a Dominix could eat me. The neutrons do nice damage and I can tank pretty well. I just have to see it before I believe it. Anytime. Any setup. Tbh, i don't give him 10% chance of success, even if i'd not use EW. (which i'm giving up lately as i rather fit more scramblers, as i'm sick of ppl warping out. I use no guns... i smack to death.
LUKEC	Posted - 2006.02.27 20:48:00 - [40] Originally by: Kaleeb Whats the damage per second of 250 II domi setups? As I only fly the domi with nos. My blasterthron is around 960 dps without faction gear, implants or skills maxed and unless jammed will kill most bs's 15km and below Well drones do some 450dps if you use ogres II. Then i'd say 300dps for those dual 250m before any dmg mod. But... I use no guns... i smack to death.
Foobie	Posted - 2006.02.27 20:54:00 - [41] Ok, so that makes around 800dps, whereas the Mega is still way above. Then there's tanking; You think the Dominix is better at it? ______________________________________ I am the governor of Rens. And yes, I inhaled.
GigaIndy	Posted - 2006.02.27 20:56:00 - [42] The problem is that ewar is so overpowered right now. Theres no viable defense againts it.
LUKEC	Posted - 2006.02.27 20:57:00 - [43] Edited by: LUKEC on 27/02/2006 20:57:24 Originally by: Foobie Ok, so that makes around 800dps, whereas the Mega is still way above. Then there's tanking; You think the Dominix is better at it? no. Mega can tank as good as domi. But... I use no guns... i smack to death.
LWMaverick	Posted - 2006.02.27 21:02:00 - [44] Originally by: LUKEC Edited by: LUKEC on 27/02/2006 20:57:24 Originally by: Foobie Ok, so that makes around 800dps, whereas the Mega is still way above. Then there's tanking; You think the Dominix is better at it? no. Mega can tank as good as domi. But... But -> The MegaT has cap issues when fitted with blaster So a couple of med/Heavy nosf(not to mention neuts) can **** up most BlasterThrons in seconds /Mav With great power, comes great responsibility.
Kaleeb	Posted - 2006.02.27 21:03:00 - [45] Btw my calculations were without drone dps, so add that on aswell if needed.
Gabriel Karade	Posted - 2006.02.27 21:09:00 - [46] Edited by: Gabriel Karade on 27/02/2006 21:10:29 Dominix with Dual 250mm does 243 dmg/sec at maximum skills; add ~ 55% for 3 magnetic field stabilizers, so with five Ogre II's (again max skills - 475 dmg/sec) you would be looking at around 850dps. Megathron with Ion Blasters (again maximum skills) does 461 dmg/sec base, with 3 magnetic field stabilizers and five Ogre II's (316 dmg/sec), you are looking at around 1030 dmg/sec. ...1030 dmg/sec not much help when jammed though - Office Linebacker -
LUKEC	Posted - 2006.02.27 21:13:00 - [47] You are missing the point. Domi will beat you without ew still. I use no guns... i smack to death.
Kaleeb	Posted - 2006.02.27 21:14:00 - [48] Originally by: Gabriel Karade not much help when jammed though U can jam people in a mega aswel
Gronsak	Posted - 2006.02.27 21:16:00 - [49] Originally by: LUKEC Originally by: Foobie I've been using blasters on my Megathron for quite some time, and I simply don't get it how a Dominix could eat me. The neutrons do nice damage and I can tank pretty well. I just have to see it before I believe it. Anytime. Any setup. Tbh, i don't give him 10% chance of success, even if i'd not use EW. (which i'm giving up lately as i rather fit more scramblers, as i'm sick of ppl warping out. there is one chance, if he orbits you at say 7km, then hopefully your guns assumeing ur useing guns dont hit him decreasing your dmg output some 300DPS. -------------------Sig----------------------- Decrease blaster CPU useage Decrease Hybrid cap useage Balance all weapon systems DO IT SOON
Foobie	Posted - 2006.02.27 21:16:00 - [50] Originally by: LUKEC You are missing the point. Domi will beat you without ew still. And who says the Mega can't use EW? ...because it has one less meds? And I use Neutrons, not Ions. The damage is alot more than calculated before. ______________________________________ I am the governor of Rens. And yes, I inhaled.
Gronsak	Posted - 2006.02.27 21:18:00 - [51] Edited by: Gronsak on 27/02/2006 21:19:30 Originally by: Foobie Originally by: LUKEC You are missing the point. Domi will beat you without ew still. And who says the Mega can't use EW? ...because it has one less meds? And I use Neutrons, not Ions. The damage is alot more than calculated before. well you require a MWD to get into range where a domi can use lead and drones at 45km easy. you require a webber to hold target down and to hit crusiers. now you require a cap injecter since that mwd and ur own guns use so much cap, now you are left with a stagaring 1 mid slot left, you need a 20km to stop the target getting away, humm, how many slots for ew where we talking about? -------------------Sig----------------------- Decrease blaster CPU useage Decrease Hybrid cap useage Balance all weapon systems DO IT SOON
Gabriel Karade	Posted - 2006.02.27 21:21:00 - [52] Originally by: LUKEC You are missing the point. Domi will beat you without ew still. ...getting dangerously close to e-peen waving territory here - Office Linebacker -
Foobie	Posted - 2006.02.27 21:22:00 - [53] Originally by: Gronsak Originally by: Foobie Originally by: LUKEC You are missing the point. Domi will beat you without ew still. And who says the Mega can't use EW? ...because it has one less meds? And I use Neutrons, not Ions. The damage is alot more than calculated before. webb you require a MWD to get into range where a domi can use lead and drones at 45km easy. you require a webber to hold target down and to hit crusiers. now you require a cap injecter since that mwd and ur own guns use so much cap, now you are left with a stagaring 1 mid slot left, you need a 20km to stop the target getting away, humm, how many slots for ew where we talking about? Seriously, have you used a blasterthron in pvp? I ask because it looks that easy when thinking and speculating about it, from your point of view. I dont use MWD on my blasterthron; If I'm not in range to fight (20km or less), I wont fight. If I'm in 20km range or less, I start approacing and blaze off. I can hit decent damage at 15-16km with Void. I'd hate to tell everyone the rest of my setup just to prove my point. You don't need a MWD for a blasterthron. ______________________________________ I am the governor of Rens. And yes, I inhaled.
Gronsak	Posted - 2006.02.27 21:27:00 - [54] Edited by: Gronsak on 27/02/2006 21:28:07 Originally by: Foobie Originally by: Gronsak Originally by: Foobie Originally by: LUKEC You are missing the point. Domi will beat you without ew still. And who says the Mega can't use EW? ...because it has one less meds? And I use Neutrons, not Ions. The damage is alot more than calculated before. webb you require a MWD to get into range where a domi can use lead and drones at 45km easy. you require a webber to hold target down and to hit crusiers. now you require a cap injecter since that mwd and ur own guns use so much cap, now you are left with a stagaring 1 mid slot left, you need a 20km to stop the target getting away, humm, how many slots for ew where we talking about? Seriously, have you used a blasterthron in pvp? I ask because it looks that easy when thinking and speculating about it, from your point of view. I dont use MWD on my blasterthron; If I'm not in range to fight (20km or less), I wont fight. If I'm in 20km range or less, I start approacing and blaze off. I can hit decent damage at 15-16km with Void. I'd hate to tell everyone the rest of my setup just to prove my point. You don't need a MWD for a blasterthron. the only thing i fly in pvp is a blasterthron mate. i too dont use a MWD on my blasterthron, but ur calims of 15-20km good damage is BS cos at that range ur guns will miss too many times. but my blasterthron is a specilist tool, its specific to gate ganking, and warping on top of targets, anything thats more than 15km from me just sits there and laughs. what if u start at 15km and the domi has keep at range of 15km set, then you will not close that gap and u will be doing half to 75% of ur max damage. -------------------Sig----------------------- Decrease blaster CPU useage Decrease Hybrid cap useage Balance all weapon systems DO IT SOON
Kaleeb	Posted - 2006.02.27 21:27:00 - [55] Originally by: Foobie You don't need a MWD for a blasterthron. Correct, aslong as you can choose the range of engagement etc
Foobie	Posted - 2006.02.27 21:32:00 - [56] Originally by: Gronsak Edited by: Gronsak on 27/02/2006 21:28:07 Originally by: Foobie Originally by: Gronsak Originally by: Foobie Originally by: LUKEC You are missing the point. Domi will beat you without ew still. And who says the Mega can't use EW? ...because it has one less meds? And I use Neutrons, not Ions. The damage is alot more than calculated before. webb you require a MWD to get into range where a domi can use lead and drones at 45km easy. you require a webber to hold target down and to hit crusiers. now you require a cap injecter since that mwd and ur own guns use so much cap, now you are left with a stagaring 1 mid slot left, you need a 20km to stop the target getting away, humm, how many slots for ew where we talking about? Seriously, have you used a blasterthron in pvp? I ask because it looks that easy when thinking and speculating about it, from your point of view. I dont use MWD on my blasterthron; If I'm not in range to fight (20km or less), I wont fight. If I'm in 20km range or less, I start approacing and blaze off. I can hit decent damage at 15-16km with Void. I'd hate to tell everyone the rest of my setup just to prove my point. You don't need a MWD for a blasterthron. the only thing i fly in pvp is a blasterthron mate. i too dont use a MWD on my blasterthron, but ur calims of 15-20km good damage is BS cos at that range ur guns will miss too many times. but my blasterthron is a specilist tool, its specific to gate ganking, and warping on top of targets, anything thats more than 15km from me just sits there and laughs. what if u start at 15km and the domi has keep at range of 15km set, then you will not close that gap and u will be doing half to 75% of ur max damage. When did I say 15-20? All I said was that my Neutrons do decent damage at 15-16km range. I've got decent falloff skills, perhaps that does the difference. I hit anywhere from 2-16km's, many times tested. The Megathron is the only ship I am trained properly for, you wouldn't believe how many hours and days I have spent in trying to fit it properly for pvp. ______________________________________ I am the governor of Rens. And yes, I inhaled.
Gronsak	Posted - 2006.02.27 21:42:00 - [57] Originally by: Foobie When did I say 15-20? All I said was that my Neutrons do decent damage at 15-16km range. I've got decent falloff skills, perhaps that does the difference. I hit anywhere from 2-16km's, many times tested. The Megathron is the only ship I am trained properly for, you wouldn't believe how many hours and days I have spent in trying to fit it properly for pvp. well considering that this is a computer program which works by math, and that i have every support gunnry skill on lvl 5 and inplants and i cant hit well at 15-16KM with t2 neutrons and void, then i really dont see how you can. just because you see damage registering on your screen it doesnt mean half your shots are not missing. trsut me i know everything there is to know about the blasterthron, every fitting, every good point, every bad point about it. i have flown nothin but the blasterthron for the past 10-12months with the sniperthron and hacs sometimes for **s and giggles -------------------Sig----------------------- Decrease blaster CPU useage** Decrease Hybrid cap useage Balance all weapon systems DO IT SOON
Foobie	Posted - 2006.02.27 21:51:00 - [58] Originally by: Gronsak Originally by: Foobie When did I say 15-20? All I said was that my Neutrons do decent damage at 15-16km range. I've got decent falloff skills, perhaps that does the difference. I hit anywhere from 2-16km's, many times tested. The Megathron is the only ship I am trained properly for, you wouldn't believe how many hours and days I have spent in trying to fit it properly for pvp. well considering that this is a computer program which works by math, and that i have every support gunnry skill on lvl 5 and inplants and i cant hit well at 15-16KM with t2 neutrons and void, then i really dont see how you can. just because you see damage registering on your screen it doesnt mean half your shots are not missing. trsut me i know everything there is to know about the blasterthron, every fitting, every good point, every bad point about it. i have flown nothin but the blasterthron for the past 10-12months with the sniperthron and hacs sometimes for ****s and giggles I know alot of my shots at 15km aren't hitting, but I can still start damaging there and as I approach, that's all I meant. I don't orbit at 15km And yes, I've mainly just flown the Megathron since I could fly it. Got everything related to it trained to full aswell. ______________________________________ I am the governor of Rens. And yes, I inhaled.
Zysco	Posted - 2006.02.27 21:55:00 - [59] Originally by: Gabriel Karade Edited by: Gabriel Karade on 27/02/2006 21:10:29 Dominix with Dual 250mm does 243 dmg/sec at maximum skills; add ~ 55% for 3 magnetic field stabilizers, so with five Ogre II's (again max skills - 475 dmg/sec) you would be looking at around 850dps. Megathron with Ion Blasters (again maximum skills) does 461 dmg/sec base, with 3 magnetic field stabilizers and five Ogre II's (316 dmg/sec), you are looking at around 1030 dmg/sec. ...1030 dmg/sec not much help when jammed though Quickfit says different, think your calcs are off unless quickfit is wrong (which it might be, no clue). My dual 250 II setup, with 2 damage mods and ogre 1s, does 895 dps. With ogre IIs (I only have heavy drones 4) its 1009. In contrast to that, my blasterthron setup, ions and 2 damage mods, does 960 dps with ogre 1s and 1037 with ogre IIs. But the domi can also jam and has like 4x the effective range.
Porro	Posted - 2006.02.27 22:02:00 - [60] Think you're a tad off, quickfit gives me (with all drone skills at V, and battleship V which I don't have yet but plugged it in anyway) I get 775 dps with Ogre II's and 870 with javelin L. I fly a blasterthron because with null I hit out to about 20k for 1030dps and with void I get 1260 dps. Allthough I need a crap load of cap charges, the dominix is much more versatile and easier to fit but much slower, and not as cool ;)
Sarmaul	Posted - 2006.02.27 22:05:00 - [61] Originally by: Porro Think you're a tad off, quickfit gives me (with all drone skills at V, and battleship V which I don't have yet but plugged it in anyway) I get 775 dps with Ogre II's and 870 with javelin L. I fly a blasterthron because with null I hit out to about 20k for 1030dps and with void I get 1260 dps. Allthough I need a crap load of cap charges, the dominix is much more versatile and easier to fit but much slower, and not as cool ;) it's 65m/s slower with a mwd...
Zysco	Posted - 2006.02.27 22:10:00 - [62] Edited by: Zysco on 27/02/2006 22:13:01 @ people saying "omgz u can jam on the mega too, mega can do same setups as domi." Lets compare the "classic" rollindutchmasters dual 250 II shield tanked domi, with a similar setup on a mega. I'm not even gonna factor the mids into the argument since the domi is obviously superior in that aspect. This is just pure damage. 6 dual 250 IIs Shield tank 3 damage mods 2 tracking enhancer IIs 2 stabs (no clue what to use in lows now since damage mod nerf, dont fly shield tanked anymore now). + 5 zerk IIs (lets be honest, ogres suck) = ~922 dps Of course, a domi can fit a shield tank in its 5 mids, whereas a mega really cannot. So a mega setup using d250 IIs would look like 7 dual 250 IIs + 1 heavy nos 4 free mids large rep II, 3 hardners, 3 damage mods + 5 zerk IIs = ~797 dps Now, of course, the mega needs a heavy cap booster to run its guns + tank, so its down to 3 mids. You need to be able to scramble, so its down to 2 mids. So you can, trying to emulate a domi, have a worse tank, almost 130 less dps, for the bonus of having 1 heavy nos and 2 free mids. And thats shield tanked domi vs armor tanked mega... armor tank vs armor tank domi comes out so far ahead it isnt even fair. And the only bonus a nosmega would have over a nosdomi would be that the nos mega has more grid so you might not need RCU IIs to fit a half decent setup like you do on domis.
Porro	Posted - 2006.02.27 22:11:00 - [63] Edited by: Porro on 27/02/2006 22:12:07 I dislike MWD's on domi's as you're cap is molested :P also fitting a mwd on a dual 250 gank setup? Doesnt a shield tank usually go in the mids? Oh and Originally by: gronsak trsut me i know everything there is to know about the blasterthron, every fitting, every good point, every bad point about it. If you did, you wouldn't complain half as much I agree with most you're points about blasters but you come off as such an arrogant idiot sometimes.
Zysco	Posted - 2006.02.27 22:14:00 - [64] Edited by: Zysco on 27/02/2006 22:15:29 Originally by: Porro Edited by: Porro on 27/02/2006 22:12:07 I dislike MWD's on domi's as you're cap is molested :P also fitting a mwd on a dual 250 gank setup? Doesnt a shield tank usually go in the mids? There is no such thing as a dual 250 gank setup anymore, just like there is no such thing as a gankageddon. I mean, sure, they still exist, but the term "gank" on them doesn't really apply anymore. "Gank" prefix usually meant lows all damage mods, but theres no point to that anymore as you know. And since you dont stick all the lows with damage mods, im sure some mwd dual 250 IIs setups exist. I know I have much better things in my mids personally, but to each his own.
skilz	Posted - 2006.02.27 22:21:00 - [65] We could fix this problem by simply getting rid of Gallente ships all together, and making everybody fly Amarr. I mean come on we are scientifically proven to be not only the best; but the very best. --
Porro	Posted - 2006.02.27 22:22:00 - [66] Edited by: Porro on 27/02/2006 22:22:02 I guess, you could wedge an armor tank in, but I can't see how you can get an armor tank + cap booster + mwd on without some rcu's. And I'd love to see a shield tank domi with 3 mag stabs and 3 drone damage mods, then I think I wouldn't fly my thron for a while :P uck forum blob ftl
Romulus Maximus	Posted - 2006.02.27 22:22:00 - [67] What he said tbh ^^ Current RKK Ranking: (AMM11) Rear Admiral
LUKEC	Posted - 2006.02.27 22:23:00 - [68] Blasterdomi: 6x modal electrons mwd, web, scram, injector, something LAR, 2x 1600mm, 3x adaptive nano, rcuII does like 900dps or something like that. Now bring your throns out. There are variations of this, for instance mar and dmg mod instead of rcu (my favourite) or with ABII and another plate instead of rcu. Also dual web helps against tempests... Or 'gank': just drop repper & rcu for 2x dmg mod. With AWU 5 i think the gank would fit with t2 guns too. Only problem is that it doesn't really fit with t2 guns. I was bangin my head against many things in last few weeks but i cannot fit it. But i'm not really interested in training AWU lvl5. I use no guns... i smack to death.
Sangxianc	Posted - 2006.02.27 22:26:00 - [69] Originally by: Porro (fu sang) (fu sang) I know Russians who speak better english than you -_- - Do not deny yourself experience of that which lies beyond, behind the sun, in the world they call unpeopled.
Porro	Posted - 2006.02.27 22:30:00 - [70] You do know grammatically, the english are the worst in the world right? :)
Gabriel Karade	Posted - 2006.02.27 22:31:00 - [71] Originally by: Zysco Originally by: Gabriel Karade Edited by: Gabriel Karade on 27/02/2006 21:10:29 Dominix with Dual 250mm does 243 dmg/sec at maximum skills; add ~ 55% for 3 magnetic field stabilizers, so with five Ogre II's (again max skills - 475 dmg/sec) you would be looking at around 850dps. Megathron with Ion Blasters (again maximum skills) does 461 dmg/sec base, with 3 magnetic field stabilizers and five Ogre II's (316 dmg/sec), you are looking at around 1030 dmg/sec. ...1030 dmg/sec not much help when jammed though Quickfit says different, think your calcs are off unless quickfit is wrong (which it might be, no clue). My dual 250 II setup, with 2 damage mods and ogre 1s, does 895 dps. With ogre IIs (I only have heavy drones 4) its 1009. In contrast to that, my blasterthron setup, ions and 2 damage mods, does 960 dps with ogre 1s and 1037 with ogre IIs. But the domi can also jam and has like 4x the effective range. Then I suggest you check your quickfit program... 1/ Dual 250mm II setup Dmg mod: 1.8 x (1.25)(1.25)(1.15)(1.1) = 3.5578125 RoF: 5.85 x (0.9)(0.8) = 4.212 6x Turrets with AM L: 243.269 dmg/sec Pre RmR with the orginal stacking penatly, 2 damage modules gave precisely 1.414613x Boost. Post RmR stacking increases that by ~3%* 243.269 x 1.457051 = 354 dmg/sec Ogre II's Dmg mod: 1.92 x (1.25)(1.5)(2)(1.1) = 7.92 Rof: = 2 sec Dmg: 24 5x Ogre II's 475.2 dmg/sec TOTAL: 829 dmg/sec 2/ Ion Blaster II setup Dmg mod: 3.375 x (1.25)(1.25)(1.15)(1.1) = 6.6708984375 RoF: 6.75 x (0.9)(0.8) = 4.86 7 Turrets with AM L: 461.198 dmg/sec 2x damage module (see above) 461.198 x 1.457051 = 672 dmg/sec Ogre II's Dmg mod: 1.92 x (1.25)(2)(1.1) = 5.28 Rof: = 2 sec Dmg: 24 5x Ogre II's 316.8 dmg/sec TOTAL: 989 dmg/sec estimate based on new stacking penalty will be slightly off, but is used for both cases and is near enough - gives correct value to within 1% - Office Linebacker -
Sarmaul	Posted - 2006.02.27 22:36:00 - [72] Originally by: LUKEC Edited by: LUKEC on 27/02/2006 22:26:36 Blasterdomi: 6x modal electrons mwd, web, scram, injector, something LAR, 2x 1600mm, 3x adaptive nano, rcuII Electron II x 6 MWD II x 1 Web x 1 20k x 1 Injector x 1 Multispec x 1 Large Rep II x 1 RCU II x 1 Magfield II x 2-3 55% Hardener II x 3 or Energized Adaptive II x 2-3
LUKEC	Posted - 2006.02.27 22:39:00 - [73] Yeah i know, but difference is in 11k hp, so ... I use no guns... i smack to death.
Zysco	Posted - 2006.02.27 22:40:00 - [74] Edited by: Zysco on 27/02/2006 22:44:30 @ Gabriel ^^ Why are you calcing using ion IIs? Calcing w/ mega modals gives you 10% less dps, meaning 890 on an ion setup. So a blasterthron does 70 more dps (which is what i said in the post you are quoting, quickfit numbers just off) than a 250 II domi, cept the domi can jam, do instant damage up to around 30km w/ antimatter, and is much more versatile with heavy/sentry/light/med drones all fitting in the bay.
LUKEC	Posted - 2006.02.27 22:40:00 - [75] Originally by: Sarmaul Edited by: Sarmaul on 27/02/2006 22:37:37 Electron II x 6 MWD II x 1 Web x 1 20k x 1 Injector x 1 Multispec x 1 Large Rep II x 1 RCU II x 1 Magfield II x 2-3 55% Hardener II x 3 or Energized Adaptive II x 2-3 edit: fit an large accom rep and you can do Rep x1, Energised x2, magfied II x2, rcu II x 1, 1600mm plate x 1 Yeah i know, but repairers are overrated. 2x plate > LAR + plate in most cases. I use no guns... i smack to death.
LUKEC	Posted - 2006.02.27 22:44:00 - [76] what about this setup on domi:) More of a joke than serious: hi: whatever fits(mix of small guns/med nosfs) med: 1x backup, 1x scram, 1x jammer, 2x injector low: 3x LAR II, 4x hardeners/membranes. I use no guns... i smack to death.
Zysco	Posted - 2006.02.27 22:47:00 - [77] Edited by: Zysco on 27/02/2006 22:47:09 Originally by: LUKEC what about this setup on domi:) More of a joke than serious: hi: whatever fits(mix of small guns/med nosfs) med: 1x backup, 1x scram, 1x jammer, 2x injector low: 3x LAR II, 4x hardeners/membranes. use 250 IIs and it fits, and it does almost as much damage as d250 IIs. H4x tbh.
jamesw	Posted - 2006.02.27 22:53:00 - [78] Dominix is crap tbh. don't know why anyone would ever fly that ship. -- Latest Vid: Bobbing for Xelas
Gabriel Karade	Posted - 2006.02.27 22:59:00 - [79] Originally by: Zysco Edited by: Zysco on 27/02/2006 22:44:30 @ Gabriel ^^ Why are you calcing using ion IIs? Calcing w/ mega modals gives you 10% less dps, meaning 890 on an ion setup. So a blasterthron does 70 more dps (which is what i said in the post you are quoting, quickfit numbers just off) than a 250 II domi, cept the domi can jam, do instant damage up to around 30km w/ antimatter, and is much more versatile with heavy/sentry/light/med drones all fitting in the bay. So as I understand this....you want to compare a Tech I setup to a Tech II (max skilled - 10% more damage) setup. To do what exactly? twist the numbers?... - Office Linebacker -
LWMaverick	Posted - 2006.02.27 22:59:00 - [80] Originally by: jamesw Dominix is crap tbh. don't know why anyone would ever fly that ship. lol? Hope that was sarcasme With great power, comes great responsibility.
Ferrosa	Posted - 2006.02.27 23:05:00 - [81] I think u guys just don't get it... Megathron maybe was never meant to be used at those close ranges??? Maybe the ship was meant to be used at long ranges, where it clearly owns the domi... Quote: Hey there, gorgeous
dalman	Posted - 2006.02.27 23:14:00 - [82] Originally by: Ferrosa I think u guys just don't get it... Megathron maybe was never meant to be used at those close ranges??? Maybe the ship was meant to be used at long ranges, where it clearly owns the domi... Hello, this is a reminder to all 'new' pilots. Back in the days the megathron skill bonus was +5% damage to blasters per lvl. Not hybrids. Blasters. It was supposed to fit blasters, not railguns. Railguns is Caldari design. However, after a bit of whining from all the players who had picked gallante race and couldn't stand the heat of close range combat, the bonus was eventually changed to give damage to railguns too. And it's a punch in the face to all us oldtimers who loves the thrill of 'real' combat that the blasterthron over the past 2 years has become worse for each single patch deployed. And as stated already there's not a single situation except long range fleet combat where it's better than the dominix. Or a tempest. Or a raven. Or an apoc/geddon fitted for closerange small fights (though these fittings are very rare on the field). Drink up, shoot in. Let the beating begin. Distributor of pain. Your loss becomes my gain...
Zysco	Posted - 2006.02.27 23:17:00 - [83] Edited by: Zysco on 27/02/2006 23:18:39 Originally by: Gabriel Karade Originally by: Zysco Edited by: Zysco on 27/02/2006 22:44:30 @ Gabriel ^^ Why are you calcing using ion IIs? Calcing w/ mega modals gives you 10% less dps, meaning 890 on an ion setup. So a blasterthron does 70 more dps (which is what i said in the post you are quoting, quickfit numbers just off) than a 250 II domi, cept the domi can jam, do instant damage up to around 30km w/ antimatter, and is much more versatile with heavy/sentry/light/med drones all fitting in the bay. So as I understand this....you want to compare a Tech I setup to a Tech II (max skilled - 10% more damage) setup. To do what exactly? twist the numbers?... Whats the point of using a setup that doesn't work in the real game? The whole point of comparing dual 250s to ions is that dual 250s are all that fits on a domi due to grid, and named ions are all that fits on a mega do to cpu. The only way to fit ion IIs is to either have no mwd, a **** tank, or a co-proc, in which case you only have 1 damage mod.
Porro	Posted - 2006.02.27 23:21:00 - [84] Edited by: Porro on 27/02/2006 23:21:12 I use a rack of ions + heavy nos on mine, with no co-pro. And jamesw saying the domi sucks is sarcasm, go watch his vids :)
Gabriel Karade	Posted - 2006.02.27 23:30:00 - [85] Edited by: Gabriel Karade on 27/02/2006 23:31:39 Originally by: Zysco Edited by: Zysco on 27/02/2006 23:18:39 Originally by: Gabriel Karade Originally by: Zysco Edited by: Zysco on 27/02/2006 22:44:30 @ Gabriel ^^ Why are you calcing using ion IIs? Calcing w/ mega modals gives you 10% less dps, meaning 890 on an ion setup. So a blasterthron does 70 more dps (which is what i said in the post you are quoting, quickfit numbers just off) than a 250 II domi, cept the domi can jam, do instant damage up to around 30km w/ antimatter, and is much more versatile with heavy/sentry/light/med drones all fitting in the bay. So as I understand this....you want to compare a Tech I setup to a Tech II (max skilled - 10% more damage) setup. To do what exactly? twist the numbers?... Whats the point of using a setup that doesn't work in the real game? The whole point of comparing dual 250s to ions is that dual 250s are all that fits on a domi due to grid, and named ions are all that fits on a mega do to cpu. The only way to fit ion IIs is to either have no mwd, a **** tank, or a co-proc, in which case you only have 1 damage mod. You can fit two damage mods just fine thank-you very much... So yes, it was a perfectly valid comparison. I'm done arguing anyway, your orginal numbers were off by 22% as I pointed out earlier, that was my main beef with your post... - Office Linebacker -
Zysco	Posted - 2006.02.27 23:31:00 - [86] Edited by: Zysco on 27/02/2006 23:34:21 Originally by: Porro Edited by: Porro on 27/02/2006 23:21:12 I use a rack of ions + heavy nos on mine, with no co-pro. And jamesw saying the domi sucks is sarcasm, go watch his vids :) Then you have a poor tank. Originally by: Gabriel Karade You can fit two damage mods just fine thank-you very much... So yes, it was a perfectly valid comparison. ...then you have a poor tank.
jamesw	Posted - 2006.02.27 23:34:00 - [87] Back in the day (about 15 months back) I used to use: 7 electrons + nos mwd, web, scrambler, injector 2 Large reps, 3 hardeners, 2 x damage mods. It used to tear Ravens a new one. Does it still fit / work? -- Latest Vid: Bobbing for Xelas
Porro	Posted - 2006.02.27 23:34:00 - [88] A large rep and 65%+ resists isnt too bad :(
Gabriel Karade	Posted - 2006.02.27 23:35:00 - [89] Originally by: Zysco Edited by: Zysco on 27/02/2006 23:33:45 Originally by: Porro Edited by: Porro on 27/02/2006 23:21:12 I use a rack of ions + heavy nos on mine, with no co-pro. And jamesw saying the domi sucks is sarcasm, go watch his vids :) Then you have a poor tank. Originally by: Gabriel Karade You can fit two damage mods just fine thank-you very much... So yes, it was a perfectly valid comparison. ...then you have a poor tank. With a 5% cpu implant and all the best named stuff I can switch 3 mega modals for ion IIs. Only way to fit more is to A) drop a damage mod for a co-proc, or B) drop some of my tank. If you like having a crap tank and ion IIs, more power to you. But the boost of 4 more ion IIs isnt worth sacrificing my tank. My tank is just fine thank you... What is it with the arrogant little dip****s here lately? - Office Linebacker -
Sarmaul	Posted - 2006.02.27 23:37:00 - [90] Originally by: Gabriel Karade What is it with the arrogant little dip****s here lately? rofl
Shin Ra	Posted - 2006.02.28 00:04:00 - [91] Originally by: Kaylana Syi In reality pretty much the best BS in the game in one on one BS fights IS the domi. Not much can beat it unless you catch it off guard. A good pilot shouldn't loose it to another BS. There are a few exceptions to everything... but that takes an exceptional pilot to pull off. Are you insane. A full t2 raven will own a dominix in a 1v1 easily, Shield or armor tanked.
Zysco	Posted - 2006.02.28 00:05:00 - [92] Originally by: Sarmaul Originally by: Gabriel Karade What is it with the arrogant little dip**s here lately? rofl I've been an arrogant little dip** on this board for like 2 years now
Kaleeb	Posted - 2006.02.28 00:09:00 - [93] Originally by: Shin Ra Are you insane. A full t2 raven will own a dominix in a 1v1 easily, Shield or armor tanked. And if it doesnt the raven can always warp away
Cummilla	Posted - 2006.02.28 01:28:00 - [94] Originally by: Shin Ra Originally by: Kaylana Syi In reality pretty much the best BS in the game in one on one BS fights IS the domi. Not much can beat it unless you catch it off guard. A good pilot shouldn't loose it to another BS. There are a few exceptions to everything... but that takes an exceptional pilot to pull off. Are you insane. A full t2 raven will own a dominix in a 1v1 easily, Shield or armor tanked. You of all people should know that is not the case. Prior to the sensor damp nerf your typical BE fight resembled a fight in a hockey rink where one player pulls the jersey over the opponents head and incapacitates their arms by tangling them up(ie, damping) and then wapping them over the head with their hockey stick(camador's vaga) and then finally kicking(kickass?) them in the balls with your foot(Raven torps). Kinda funny to watch I guess....unless you're the one being kicked in the balls. But nonetheless the point here is that the domi can field the EW at least as equal as the Raven can which makes it far from the one sided affair you see.
StoreSlem	Posted - 2006.02.28 02:03:00 - [95] Originally by: Shin Ra Originally by: Kaylana Syi In reality pretty much the best BS in the game in one on one BS fights IS the domi. Not much can beat it unless you catch it off guard. A good pilot shouldn't loose it to another BS. There are a few exceptions to everything... but that takes an exceptional pilot to pull off. Are you insane. A full t2 raven will own a dominix in a 1v1 easily, Shield or armor tanked. Seeing how there are no warp core stab II ingame I'll take you up on that. "If you were experiencing a lag, it was not server related."
Shin Ra	Posted - 2006.02.28 02:22:00 - [96] I'm not talking about Electronic warfare or stabs here. In pre-arranged 1v1, no ew, no warping, a raven with the right setup will own even the best setup domi and the best domi pilot. Doesnt matter whether its a nos dom, shield tanked + gank or armor tanked. A raven will beat that dominix (yeas without smartbombs before anyone says).
jamesw	Posted - 2006.02.28 02:26:00 - [97] Originally by: Shin Ra I'm not talking about Electronic warfare or stabs here. In pre-arranged 1v1, no ew, no warping, a raven with the right setup will own even the best setup domi and the best domi pilot. Doesnt matter whether its a nos dom, shield tanked + gank or armor tanked. A raven will beat that dominix (yeas without smartbombs before anyone says). Yes but in a straight 1v1 fight with no ew and no warping, Domi may not be able to be used to full potential. I really dont care what you say, but that is a part of the game balance, and part of 1v1ing in the real world. In my book, thats like saying "xyz can beat any Scorp 1v1 with no ew and no warping". By all means spice up the fight with some EW on your Raven if you like. -- Latest Vid: Bobbing for Xelas
Zysco	Posted - 2006.02.28 02:32:00 - [98] Originally by: Shin Ra I'm not talking about Electronic warfare or stabs here. In pre-arranged 1v1, no ew, no warping, a raven with the right setup will own even the best setup domi and the best domi pilot. Doesnt matter whether its a nos dom, shield tanked + gank or armor tanked. A raven will beat that dominix (yeas without smartbombs before anyone says). This is true. New vid: "we're back"
Luc Boye	Posted - 2006.02.28 03:43:00 - [99] Originally by: Foobie I've been using blasters on my Megathron for quite some time, and I simply don't get it how a Dominix could eat me. The neutrons do nice damage and I can tank pretty well. I just have to see it before I believe it. Paper DPS and real combat DPS is not the same. Try it out on test server.
Haniblecter Teg	Posted - 2006.02.28 04:00:00 - [100] Domi is actually overtaking the Mega as the fleet choice. Sentry drone Domi does more damage than 425mega. It also fits EW. ---------------------------------------- Friends Forever
Ergo Morte	Posted - 2006.02.28 04:01:00 - [101] Originally by: Shin Ra I'm not talking about Electronic warfare or stabs here. In pre-arranged 1v1, no ew, no warping, a raven with the right setup will own even the best setup domi and the best domi pilot. Doesnt matter whether its a nos dom, shield tanked + gank or armor tanked. A raven will beat that dominix (yeas without smartbombs before anyone says). Surely you realize that any statement you need to put that many qualifiers on is complete bull****.
Zysco	Posted - 2006.02.28 04:31:00 - [102] Originally by: Ergo Morte Originally by: Shin Ra I'm not talking about Electronic warfare or stabs here. In pre-arranged 1v1, no ew, no warping, a raven with the right setup will own even the best setup domi and the best domi pilot. Doesnt matter whether its a nos dom, shield tanked + gank or armor tanked. A raven will beat that dominix (yeas without smartbombs before anyone says). Surely you realize that any statement you need to put that many qualifiers on is complete bull****. What qualifiers? In arranged 1v1s EW is illegal. The only "qualifier" is no warping out. New vid: "we're back"
Valea Silpha	Posted - 2006.02.28 04:32:00 - [103] Meh. I've been annoyed by the domi for a long time, just after the termination of my first charcter that flew one. The thron is a horrible HORRIBLE ship to come upon if it gets the jump on you, so you can't pull out of range. The domi is a horrible ship to come upon fullstop. Its in the same bracket as ravens, doing its full DPS out to beyond blaster/AC range but still tanking like a beast. The thron may well beat it under 10km, but you have to have some balls to try and run one down since you aren't even really guarenteed a lock on the damn thing. When you are faced by 2 essentially uncounterable weapons (jammers and drones) and then a rack of hyper velocity guns aswell. Compared to the other tier 1 BS, its jsut far too good. The geddon is mid-slottily challenged and can't compare at close range to the other nasty gank ships The scorp is only any good as an ewar platform with no real offencive kick. The phoon is ... well the phoon is the phoon... home of mixed up slots, terrible bonuses and etc etc etc mutters under his breath Then you have the domi, that can compeat with the big boys close range, can solo almost all lvl 4's, can tank HARD, is a superb heavy tackler becuase it has lots of meds and lows, can put out a LOT of ewar...
jamesw	Posted - 2006.02.28 04:37:00 - [104] Originally by: Zysco Originally by: Ergo Morte Originally by: Shin Ra I'm not talking about Electronic warfare or stabs here. In pre-arranged 1v1, no ew, no warping, a raven with the right setup will own even the best setup domi and the best domi pilot. Doesnt matter whether its a nos dom, shield tanked + gank or armor tanked. A raven will beat that dominix (yeas without smartbombs before anyone says). Surely you realize that any statement you need to put that many qualifiers on is complete bull****. What qualifiers? In arranged 1v1s EW is illegal. The only "qualifier" is no warping out. Thats the exact point. If EW is not legal, then the ships may well be unevenly matched. I refer back to my earlier comment about 1v1ing a Scorpion - whats the point when you take away one of the ships major strengths with such a rule. Seriously, in such a fight where warping is not allowed, what the hell are you going to do with 5 free midslots? You dont need warp scramblers, you dont necessarily need a web... What are you going to fit - Cap rechargers?? (how useful!!) -- Latest Vid: Bobbing for Xelas
Zysco	Posted - 2006.02.28 05:16:00 - [105] Originally by: jamesw Originally by: Zysco Originally by: Ergo Morte Originally by: Shin Ra I'm not talking about Electronic warfare or stabs here. In pre-arranged 1v1, no ew, no warping, a raven with the right setup will own even the best setup domi and the best domi pilot. Doesnt matter whether its a nos dom, shield tanked + gank or armor tanked. A raven will beat that dominix (yeas without smartbombs before anyone says). Surely you realize that any statement you need to put that many qualifiers on is complete bull****. What qualifiers? In arranged 1v1s EW is illegal. The only "qualifier" is no warping out. Thats the exact point. If EW is not legal, then the ships may well be unevenly matched. I refer back to my earlier comment about 1v1ing a Scorpion - whats the point when you take away one of the ships major strengths with such a rule. Seriously, in such a fight where warping is not allowed, what the hell are you going to do with 5 free midslots? You dont need warp scramblers, you dont necessarily need a web... What are you going to fit - Cap rechargers?? (how useful!!) Shield tank? New vid: "we're back"
jamesw	Posted - 2006.02.28 05:23:00 - [106] That may hold up against a raven 1v1 with the rules you specified, but really, siege mode setup with 4 multispecs would completely and utterly own the Raven. Thats my point I guess. Some ships can be a lot better with ew than without. In the Domi's case, there are ways to setup that make a 1v1 fairly simple to win (EW being case in point). Going off and comparing a non ew setup to a Raven, and then saying that the Raven beats it 1v1 is just... well... wrong. -- Latest Vid: Bobbing for Xelas
Dorogan Multikill	Posted - 2006.02.28 09:37:00 - [107] Edited by: Dorogan Multikill on 28/02/2006 09:40:35 Hmmm interesting topic... Imo its pretteh hard to decide, i would say if you got v good drone skills and a high lvl on gallente bs, then the domi is the weapon of choice, but the mega has better setup options cus of the much hight pg. It also fits more guns. For solo i would use the mega with a 4 blaster 4 nos setup....but the domi with sentry drones is feekin uber.....this topic is like whats better between pepsi and cola.....its all about taste
dabster	Posted - 2006.02.28 12:21:00 - [108] This thread makes me cry, ive been wanting to fly blasterthron for a year+ but i didnt start training it until a week ago. And now all say its ****e ___________________________ Brutors Rule! My Eve-vids; Click.
Odda	Posted - 2006.02.28 12:26:00 - [109] Originally by: dabster This thread makes me cry, ive been wanting to fly blasterthron for a year+ but i didnt start training it until a week ago. And now all say its **e he he your not the only one. Hope they fix blasters soon! or nerf the damn f* raven
Mag's	Posted - 2006.02.28 12:48:00 - [110] There is no denying the Domi is a great damage dealer and can wtf pwn the Blasterthron. But man it soooo ugly, I mean come on, it's looks like a pregnant whale on steroids. Where as the Mega looks, well, Mega, like a ship should look. It's the best looking ship in-game imho. Lets hope TomB gets to tweak those large blasters soon(tm).
ParMizaN	Posted - 2006.02.28 12:51:00 - [111] The domi is simply so verstile that it is much better atm than the mega except for fleet engagements (long range) Phenomena of ironies, cast the litany aside How intelligible, blessed be the forgetful I Luv Teh Parm!!1 - Imaran
III LightBringer	Posted - 2006.02.28 13:05:00 - [112] Drop that mega-blaster on top of the dominix, start locking, and when your shield-bar starts moveing, fire off one ECM Burst while your blasters eat through stuff. When the bars start moveing again.. give the sec burst a go, rinse-repeat every 15 sec.
Drommy	Posted - 2006.02.28 13:08:00 - [113] ok ok. now if we look at it this way....... scorp can kick a ravns ass easy, ew it 2 nos in the utility slots, you got a raven dying pretty fast...... geddon can kill an opoc pretty easy too if its ganka...... as for the typhoon, well i got no experience with it so ill shut up :) but if a nooby bs pilot in a mega faught a noob pilot in a domi. i would guess that the mega would win. ya see its not that the ship is better, it cant tank as long, doesnt have as much power, its slow, i could carry on but i guess you get the pint im trying to make....... its the pilot and the setups being used on the domi that make it ace atm. not the ship its self, maybe if there were some more original mega set ups out there it would be a different story....... IF YOU AINT BLUE... YOUR GOO DARKSIDE INC
Pottsey	Posted - 2006.02.28 13:13:00 - [114] Edited by: Pottsey on 28/02/2006 13:14:10 ôIn pre-arranged 1v1, no ew, no warping, a raven with the right setup will own even the best setup domi and the best domi pilot. Doesnt matter whether its a nos dom, shield tanked + gank or armor tanked. A raven will beat that dominix (yeas without smartbombs before anyone says).ö I donÆt agree. During testing 90% of Raven setups out there couldnÆt even take down my Domi shields 1v1 let alone kill me. Only the best T2 or Arbalest launchers setups could take my shield down and that took minutes more then enough time for my drones to kill the Raven. That and the Raven had to hit my on my lowest resistance. I donÆt recall any Raven killing me in under 1 minuet or was it 2 minuet. Most none T2 Ravens dont even dint my tank. The damage on the Raven is just too low to kill a Dominix 1v1. Though it has been a few months since I did any testing. So if anyone wants to meet up on the test server for friendly testing to confirm its still true, just Eve mail me in game. ôAre you insane. A full t2 raven will own a dominix in a 1v1 easily, Shield or armor tanked.ö Want to meet up on the test server for a friendly match? I fly a Dom and will challane any Raven. _________________________________________________ Nominate famous people in Eve who had an impact on you.
Dreez	Posted - 2006.02.28 13:14:00 - [115] Flying a Domi with blasters is even more suicide then a BT since they are even slower, and in CQC, speed is king. I will never put a blaster on a domi aslong as Megas are for sale in EVE, thats just sick. Please resize your signature graphic to be smaller than 24,000 bytes in filesize - Jacques Current Location: In my Blasterthron chasing TomB with a blowtorch
Myrk Reinhart	Posted - 2006.02.28 13:16:00 - [116] I love the mega for fleetwork with 425's, but this is the bleasterthing so here goes.... You cannot fit neutronblasters on mega at all, it's just not a viable thing as you cant have any tank with those guns, and they wont hit anything either due to useless tracking. And you CANT fit tracking computers on it, there aint room for it. You can fit ionblasters with some tank, but not a good one. And if you get real close you kinda need it. You can fit a very good tank if you fit electron blasters on it, and due to superior tracking compared to the other 2 blasters it will actually hit the target. But the biggest issue on the mega is the CPU... you cant ever fit any good setups with t2 guns, there is not enough CPU to do it. Same cpu issue applies to whatever you do with it if you wanna go blasters, you absolutely need named equipment to make it fit, or have to go for a gimped setup :(
Crellion	Posted - 2006.02.28 13:22:00 - [117] Originally by: Haniblecter Teg Domi is actually overtaking the Mega as the fleet choice. Sentry drone Domi does more damage than 425mega. It also fits EW. Joke of the century... my vote at least.
LUKEC	Posted - 2006.02.28 13:31:00 - [118] Originally by: Dreez Flying a Domi with blasters is even more suicide then a BT since they are even slower, and in CQC, speed is king. I will never put a blaster on a domi aslong as Megas are for sale in EVE, thats just sick. Blasterdomi is sick indeed. But it clearly suck, so don't even try it. I use no guns... i smack to death.
Butter Dog	Posted - 2006.02.28 14:28:00 - [119] Whoever said 'Oh but a Raven will beat a Domi in a pre-arranged 1v1 with no EW etc' is totally missing the point. The domis strength is its flexibility. If you meet my Domi, in your Raven, however it is fitted I will beat you because I will use EW. Thats the reality of it. Sure, you can take any ship, remove its strengths, and then say 'Ha! I can beat you in a 1v1!' but its a totally pointless hypothetical. Its simply not going to happen in any other circumstance - ie real combat. I have lost a Domi to one Raven. In an amazing fight that lasted over 20 minutes, he beat me because he was using 4 nos, and timed his nos cycles directly after mine to run an active shield tank. Very clever setup. And yes, that was a 1v1. Unfortunately the Ravens I encounter in real combat situations always warp away using WCS when I engage :) But yeah, going back to the original point, I do use a Megathron sometimes but only for very specific purposes. Otherwise its Domi, Domi, Domi all the way. ------------------ The viewpoints expressed are my own, not necessarily those of my Corporation or Alliance.
Kaleeb	Posted - 2006.02.28 14:39:00 - [120] Originally by: Myrk Reinhart You cannot fit neutronblasters on mega at all, yes u can neutron II's fit on mine I`m a mega pilot but we have to remember we are asking to be able to fit a good tank, an mwd, a cap booster and some rediculous damaging guns. If it all fitted that easily it would be way overpowered. Yes blasters do need more tracking and abit of fitting love. If we wanted the king of close range give blasters a massive tracking boost and swap the mega's tracking bonus for a rof bonus (overpowered and unfair but hey think of the carnage)
Testy Mctest	Posted - 2006.02.28 14:39:00 - [121] Problem: Drones are overpowered Solution: Nerf drones. Dominix becomes less godly, Thron becomes a better option :) The Eve Guild Wars Project!
Commander Thrawn	Posted - 2006.02.28 14:57:00 - [122] I rencently attacked a vampa-domi with 4 BSs we were 2 scorps, a geddon and a raven the damn thing took out a scorp and damaged the other before we blew it up. this is pretty ridiculus. Now granted this guy had mad drones skills and all tech2 drones. but had we not had the scorps jamming him, we would of been toast 6 nos is nuts. a BS should not be able to fit more then 2 Add a hardpoint like launchers/turrets. a nos hardpoint/2 per BS
Butter Dog	Posted - 2006.02.28 15:13:00 - [123] Originally by: Testy Mctest Problem: Drones are overpowered Solution: Nerf drones. Dominix becomes less godly, Thron becomes a better option :) LOL Are you serious? The domi has a drone bonus, they are supposed to be more powerful. Drones themselves are certainly not overpowered. ------------------ The viewpoints expressed are my own, not necessarily those of my Corporation or Alliance.
Butter Dog	Posted - 2006.02.28 15:14:00 - [124] Originally by: Commander Thrawn I rencently attacked a vampa-domi with 4 BSs we were 2 scorps, a geddon and a raven the damn thing took out a scorp and damaged the other before we blew it up. this is pretty ridiculus. Now granted this guy had mad drones skills and all tech2 drones. but had we not had the scorps jamming him, we would of been toast 6 nos is nuts. a BS should not be able to fit more then 2 Add a hardpoint like launchers/turrets. a nos hardpoint/2 per BS Actually you can only fit 4 heavy nos on a domi if you are running a really good tank, even with top-end skills. ------------------ The viewpoints expressed are my own, not necessarily those of my Corporation or Alliance.
Commander Thrawn	Posted - 2006.02.28 15:33:00 - [125] Edited by: Commander Thrawn on 28/02/2006 15:34:32 Originally by: Butter Dog Originally by: Commander Thrawn I rencently attacked a vampa-domi with 4 BSs we were 2 scorps, a geddon and a raven the damn thing took out a scorp and damaged the other before we blew it up. this is pretty ridiculus. Now granted this guy had mad drones skills and all tech2 drones. but had we not had the scorps jamming him, we would of been toast 6 nos is nuts. a BS should not be able to fit more then 2 Add a hardpoint like launchers/turrets. a nos hardpoint/2 per BS Actually you can only fit 4 heavy nos on a domi if you are running a really good tank, even with top-end skills. lol im pretty sure this guy had more ill post the kill mail when i get home
Stogee	Posted - 2006.02.28 15:53:00 - [126] I like the megathron myself. But the price of the Domi alone makes it more tempting.
Kaleeb	Posted - 2006.02.28 15:58:00 - [127] How on earth did u lose a bs in a 4vs1
Montero	Posted - 2006.02.28 16:00:00 - [128] especially when they're being jammed by 2 scorps....
Zysco	Posted - 2006.02.28 16:06:00 - [129] Originally by: Testy Mctest Problem: Drones are overpowered Solution: Nerf drones. Dominix becomes less godly, Thron becomes a better option :) Drones are pretty meh tbh. Boost the mega dont nerf the domi New vid: "we're back"
Montero	Posted - 2006.02.28 16:08:00 - [130] the thing that ****es me off about drones is that if you gotta bail quickly you have 2 choices, wait the extra few secs and hope to get your drones back, or be completely neutured untill you can get some more.
Wrayeth	Posted - 2006.02.28 16:13:00 - [131] Edited by: Wrayeth on 28/02/2006 16:15:28 The problem that makes the dominix so overpowered in a 1-v-1 is basically the drones themselves. Even if your domi get jammed, they continue to attack. In contrast, a raven that gets jammed and switches to FoF cruise is screwed - his missiles will go for the drones instead of the domi itself, and won't be able to kill them fast enough. Sure the raven could run EW itself, but EW ravens basically have no tank - they don't have enough slots and grid to run an effective tank at the same time they run a full rack of jammers (which is a direct contrast to the domi which can run tank, jammers, and nos all at once...oh yeah, and drones, too) - this means that, even if the raven successfully jammed the domi, as long as the dominix had lock for at least one second to give its drones the attack command, the domi wins. Smartbombs used to be a solution, but now that drones have so many more hitpoints, they're pretty much a waste of time. TBH, while what a properly set-up domi can do to a raven is bad, it's even worse against the other battleships. Basically, anything else stands no chance at all - the dominix is an "I win" button. There's only one solution to this problem that I can think of, and that involves nerfing drones so they can't attack while the owning ship is jammed. I don't know what that would do to general balance, however. -Wrayeth
Kaylon Syi	Posted - 2006.02.28 16:27:00 - [132] To be fair... any Large Smart Bomb User Owns a domi... its just not fotm yet and probably never will be because they are totally gimp towards anything else. If I was you... I'd run.
Pottsey	Posted - 2006.02.28 16:52:00 - [133] Edited by: Pottsey on 28/02/2006 16:53:00 "To be fair... any Large Smart Bomb User Owns a domi... its just not fotm yet and probably never will be because they are totally gimp towards anything else. If I was you... I'd run." Smart bombs are not effective anymore against drones. Not since the drone change. Any Domi with a decent battleship skill is going have tough drones that can take mutiply hits from a smart bomb. You would have to take 2 to 4 smart bombs to worry the Domi, but if you do that you cannot kill the Domi and have cap problems. Not only that but by the time you killed the first wave of drones your caps out and the Domi has sent his 2nd wave. Dont forget the Domi can hold more then 2 waves as well. EDIT: Some drones stay way outside smart bomb range. _________________________________________________ Nominate famous people in Eve who had an impact on you.
Pottsey	Posted - 2006.02.28 16:55:00 - [134] ôespecially when they're being jammed by 2 scorps....ö Drones engage all enemy ships that hit you. Even if your jammed the drone hit the ship jamming you. _________________________________________________ Nominate famous people in Eve who had an impact on you.
Kaleeb	Posted - 2006.02.28 17:02:00 - [135] And he couldnt warp? Or the 4 couldnt kill the 1 bs before drones killed him?
LUKEC	Posted - 2006.02.28 17:07:00 - [136] Originally by: Kaleeb And he couldnt warp? Or the 4 couldnt kill the 1 bs before drones killed him? well last time i checked you cannot scramble if you are jammed. And if he wasn't jammed by 2 scorps then something was very wrong there. I think there are some ppl that never heard of aligining and warping. I remember last scorp i killed with ishtar... i was jammed when he had half shield still. And i haven't lock him again but in 20-30s i was able to take his can. I use no guns... i smack to death.
Wrayeth	Posted - 2006.02.28 17:23:00 - [137] Originally by: Kaylon Syi To be fair... any Large Smart Bomb User Owns a domi... its just not fotm yet and probably never will be because they are totally gimp towards anything else. Actually, even with two named large smartbombs, it takes three to four cycles of each to kill a fully-skilled domi's drones. By that point, you're already dead. You're jammed and can't fire, and you have no tank because the domi nossed your cap dead. -Wrayeth
Montero	Posted - 2006.02.28 17:25:00 - [138] Originally by: Pottsey ôespecially when they're being jammed by 2 scorps....ö Drones engage all enemy ships that hit you. Even if your jammed the drone hit the ship jamming you. yup, but all that whining about the nos would imply that the domi had nos on a scorp i.e. 2 scorps failed to jam him. i think i see the problem here, and it doesnt lie with the domi, or any of the ahips involved.....
DigitalCommunist	Posted - 2006.02.28 17:25:00 - [139] Too much discussion about the Dominix and its billion setups, when the problem is with the Blasterthron. Its inherent suckyness is due to several factors. 1. Blasterthron its an absolute nightmare to fit. 2. Blasters have marginal benefits over longer range weapons. 3. Every bship fits nos, because of their huge impact on small craft - which also manages to screw every blasterthron. 4. Missiles work better at close range than blasters ever will. Purchasing Complex Fullerene Shards, contact me ingame.
Cuebick	Posted - 2006.02.28 17:35:00 - [140] I'm taking a wild guess by saying that the ones who just dont know how to fly a Blasterthron suck at it and whine. hint: pick your fights. And btw, countering a vampadom is not so hard. ____________________________________
Wrayeth	Posted - 2006.02.28 17:39:00 - [141] Edited by: Wrayeth on 28/02/2006 17:42:23 Edited by: Wrayeth on 28/02/2006 17:40:26 Originally by: Cuebick And btw, countering a vampadom is not so hard. The vamp part, yes. Countering an ECM vampadom is next to impossible, though. Even if you jam him, he's still dishing out damage. -Wrayeth
Commander Nikolas	Posted - 2006.02.28 18:34:00 - [142] Personally I think this debate is more about Ewar then anything else. Without Ewar the Domi goes down fast!. 1 vs 1 - Ewar my Mega/Vind with blasters will pwn any other BS except the raven. The megathron along with most of the battleships in eve have slowly lost their place as the "do everything" ships in eve. With the changes to heavy drone damage output against small targets T2 frigs have been given a whole new life (+ lots of other changes in RMR that help T2 frigs). The Dominix and Raven are pretty much the only solo-pwn mobile BSs left in game (Scorpion can do it but with its DPS it takes forever to kill something). Personally I fly both a Dominix and a Megathron. I jump in the Dominix when I want to run around solo or we have a group of 2-3 people. Its versitility and Ewar is very nice. I jump in the megathron when we already have some Ewar and Tacklers (groups of 5+). Even those 3 year old raven pilots (fresh out of Jita) cry when they see 2+ Blasterthrons come out of warp at point blank. Of course the above assumes I am flying a battleship. Anymore I like to take out pack of 5-20 AFs & Intys. Go ahead launch your drones, NOS, and Jam... it won't help. :)
Jon Xylur	Posted - 2006.02.28 18:49:00 - [143] There isn't reallly anythign about Domi you could nerf. The reason it's uber is because it relies mainly on it's drones it can fit Nos on all highs and still do damage. Drones shouldn't be nerfed and neighter should Domi. Or if they do they should nerf Raven too, as it's a solo pwnmobile too. Or they could boost one Amarr and one Minmatar BS so all arces woudl have an ubership.
LUKEC	Posted - 2006.02.28 18:53:00 - [144] Originally by: Jon Xylur There isn't reallly anythign about Domi you could nerf. The reason it's uber is because it relies mainly on it's drones it can fit Nos on all highs and still do damage. Drones shouldn't be nerfed and neighter should Domi. Or if they do they should nerf Raven too, as it's a solo pwnmobile too. Or they could boost one Amarr and one Minmatar BS so all arces woudl have an ubership. Well last time i told a story about my domi... some older players, dedicated caldari / minmater just went WTF. With that crap? With that crap you cannot kill anything. I guess situation is changing. I still remember gankageddons doing more dmg at 60km than my semi tanked megathron at 2km :) I use no guns... i smack to death.
Jennifae	Posted - 2006.02.28 19:07:00 - [145] Originally by: Dreez Flying a Domi with blasters is even more suicide then a BT since they are even slower, and in CQC, speed is king. I will never put a blaster on a domi aslong as Megas are for sale in EVE, thats just sick. you can do it dreez, it's just like anything else with gallente blasterboats, CAREFULLY select the battles you fight and try your best to choose where range is favorable for as much of the fight as possible and don't accept a fight where range is against you most of the time. Blasters on a domi are a nasty surprise for the opposition expecting vamp setups or rails.
Spaceman Gene	Posted - 2006.02.28 19:49:00 - [146] Does ECCM work as a good ECM counter in this game?
Zysco	Posted - 2006.02.28 20:15:00 - [147] Originally by: DigitalCommunist Too much discussion about the Dominix and its billion setups, when the problem is with the Blasterthron. Its inherent suckyness is due to several factors. 1. Blasterthron its an absolute nightmare to fit. 2. Blasters have marginal benefits over longer range weapons. 3. Every bship fits nos, because of their huge impact on small craft - which also manages to screw every blasterthron. 4. Missiles work better at close range than blasters ever will. Which is kind of the point I was making in this thread. Because of those first 2 reasons especially, there is no reason to use a blasterthron over a domi. The damage increase of the blasterthron over a dual 250 domi is marginal at best, while that domi is also able to jam and doesn't need to mwd and use 1/2 its cap to get into range. So boost the fckin blasterthon ffs, boost/fix blasters then I actually have a reason to fly my blasterthron over my domi in normal pvp situations. As it is, I only fly it when hunting NPCers, and even then the domi is better. New vid: "we're back"
Shamis Orzoz	Posted - 2006.02.28 20:17:00 - [148] The megathron just needs more CPU. Or blasters need to take less CPU.
Gierling	Posted - 2006.02.28 21:09:00 - [149] The Domi badly needs powergrid, the vampa setup is its only recourse. If it could actually fit some Guns people would go that route. PRoposal to fix blobbing and make Charisma useful.
LUKEC	Posted - 2006.02.28 21:10:00 - [150] Edited by: LUKEC on 28/02/2006 21:11:03 Well if vampa is last resort, let me remind you, that heavy nosf uses more pg than ion blaster. Heavy neut almost 2x as t2 heavy electron or dual 250mm I use no guns... i smack to death.
Sadist	Posted - 2006.02.28 21:13:00 - [151] The question should be, is there any reason to use a blaster ship at all, over any other type of conventional combat style, such as nos, drones, ew, even rails and smartbombs? --------------- VIP member of the [23] Quote: - Numbers alone do not win a battle - No, but I bet they help.
Gierling	Posted - 2006.02.28 21:14:00 - [152] Yes but its both an offensive and defensive module, Versatility here is what makes it so much of a better bargain then fitting a gun. PRoposal to fix blobbing and make Charisma useful.
LUKEC	Posted - 2006.02.28 21:17:00 - [153] Originally by: Sadist The question should be, is there any reason to use a blaster ship at all, over any other type of conventional combat style, such as nos, drones, ew, even rails and smartbombs? Good point. Answer is simple. Only if you are alone or with covertops. I use no guns... i smack to death.
LUKEC	Posted - 2006.02.28 21:17:00 - [154] Originally by: Gierling Yes but its both an offensive and defensive module, Versatility here is what makes it so much of a better bargain then fitting a gun. Well have your opinion. I prefer killing stuff before the backup arives or before they jump. I use no guns... i smack to death.
Nafri	Posted - 2006.02.28 21:21:00 - [155] Just nerf drones, ****ty imba things The ability to fit 5 weapons without using slots is kinda pointless. Well, I never engange dominixes anyway, no matter what I fly
LUKEC	Posted - 2006.02.28 21:24:00 - [156] Edited by: LUKEC on 28/02/2006 21:25:08 Originally by: Nafri Just nerf drones, ****ty imba things The ability to fit 5 weapons without using slots is kinda pointless. Well, I never engange dominixes anyway, no matter what I fly I often engage them in ishtar :). I remember when i almost got spanked in domi by Jasmine Constantine. It made me rework ship setups completely. I agree drones are nice, but don't forget that domi with t2 ogres does only 150dps more than arma or mega or phoon. I use no guns... i smack to death.
Zysco	Posted - 2006.02.28 21:33:00 - [157] Originally by: Gierling The Domi badly needs powergrid, the vampa setup is its only recourse. If it could actually fit some Guns people would go that route. Hi, meet mr RCU II. New vid: "we're back"
Bazman	Posted - 2006.02.28 21:50:00 - [158] Real men use Dual 250mm II's tbh, nobody expects to be drilled by railguns when they see a Dominix! :P ----- Hi TomB! All out Do or Die Blasterboat for tier 3 Gallente battleship please! Make it look cool too. Thanks.
LUKEC	Posted - 2006.02.28 22:14:00 - [159] Originally by: Bazman Real men use Dual 250mm II's tbh, nobody expects to be drilled by railguns when they see a Dominix! :P Well... or blasted. Btw, after some number crunching... domi has biggest dmg output in game as long as you use only t2 stuff without implants. Sure it needs 2x rcuII to fit neutrons II but i was surprised. (1300dps for domi and 1284 for thron, both using neutrons II + 3x dmg mods II + ogres II (spec 4, but domi gets more from spec 5 here)) I use no guns... i smack to death.
Nafri	Posted - 2006.02.28 22:20:00 - [160] Originally by: LUKEC Edited by: LUKEC on 28/02/2006 21:25:08 Originally by: Nafri Just nerf drones, ****ty imba things The ability to fit 5 weapons without using slots is kinda pointless. Well, I never engange dominixes anyway, no matter what I fly I often engage them in ishtar :). I remember when i almost got spanked in domi by Jasmine Constantine. It made me rework ship setups completely. I agree drones are nice, but don't forget that domi with t2 ogres does only 150dps more than arma or mega or phoon. Ishtar is the same like Dominix, I have no problems to fight zealot/deimos and so on, but Dominix/Ishtar do top damage including EW. No wonder people count Curse as best solo recon ships, cause Nos/Drones/EW is the solo pwnmachine. Imho Dominix should get some more grid (but still far less then the phoon) and loose the +50% Drone damage thing. Then CCP can introduce highslot drone damage mods.
Zysco	Posted - 2006.02.28 22:21:00 - [161] Originally by: Bazman Real men use Dual 250mm II's tbh, nobody expects to be drilled by railguns when they see a Dominix! :P go watch my vid, d250 II 4tw! New vid: "we're back"
LUKEC	Posted - 2006.02.28 22:26:00 - [162] Originally by: Nafri Originally by: LUKEC Edited by: LUKEC on 28/02/2006 21:25:08 Originally by: Nafri Just nerf drones, ****ty imba things The ability to fit 5 weapons without using slots is kinda pointless. Well, I never engange dominixes anyway, no matter what I fly I often engage them in ishtar :). I remember when i almost got spanked in domi by Jasmine Constantine. It made me rework ship setups completely. I agree drones are nice, but don't forget that domi with t2 ogres does only 150dps more than arma or mega or phoon. Ishtar is the same like Dominix, I have no problems to fight zealot/deimos and so on, but Dominix/Ishtar do top damage including EW. No wonder people count Curse as best solo recon ships, cause Nos/Drones/EW is the solo pwnmachine. Imho Dominix should get some more grid (but still far less then the phoon) and loose the +50% Drone damage thing. Then CCP can introduce highslot drone damage mods. After they fix raven & crow, ok? I use no guns... i smack to death.
Meridius	Posted - 2006.02.28 22:30:00 - [163] Originally by: Nafri No wonder people count Curse as best solo recon ships, cause Nos/Drones/EW is the solo pwnmachine. Way overrated. Unlike most other drone ships smartbombs or directly attacking a Curse's drones really does work since it has no room for spares. _ __ WE get EVERRYYWHHHEERREEEE!!1 - Imaran
jamesw	Posted - 2006.03.01 02:17:00 - [164] Originally by: Zysco Originally by: Bazman Real men use Dual 250mm II's tbh, nobody expects to be drilled by railguns when they see a Dominix! :P go watch my vid, d250 II 4tw! Did I see an mwd on you d250 domi at one point in that vid? I think I did, cos my eyes started to bleed... -- Latest Vid: Bobbing for Xelas
Gierling	Posted - 2006.03.01 03:07:00 - [165] RCU II is not an answer, a Dominix can not fit a full rack of its best guns with perfect skills and an RCU II. With Great skills (advanced weap upgrades 4) you require one RCU II and another RCU (can be tech one) to fit a full rack of its best guns. Perfect skills (Advanced weapons upgrades to 5) means you still need the RCU II but you can change the second RCU to a Power Diag. Thats still VERY hefty. PRoposal to fix blobbing and make Charisma useful.
Zysco	Posted - 2006.03.01 03:43:00 - [166] Originally by: Gierling Edited by: Gierling on 01/03/2006 03:34:18 RCU II is not an answer, a Dominix can not fit a full rack of its best guns with perfect skills and an RCU II. With Great skills (advanced weap upgrades 4) you require one RCU II and another RCU (can be tech one) to fit a full rack of its best guns. Perfect skills (Advanced weapons upgrades to 5) means you still need the RCU II but you can change the second RCU to a Power Diag. Thats still VERY hefty. EDIT: I'm sorry I just looked at it again, you need Two RCU II's and Power Diag with advanced weapon upgrades 4, advanced weapon upgrades I think lets you squeeze it in with just two RCU II's... It fits with 2 RCU IIs. And then you have 5 free lows left, which is the same number a tempest does unless he has advanced upgrades 5. Originally by: jamesw Originally by: Zysco Originally by: Bazman Real men use Dual 250mm II's tbh, nobody expects to be drilled by railguns when they see a Dominix! :P go watch my vid, d250 II 4tw! Did I see an mwd on you d250 domi at one point in that vid? I think I did, cos my eyes started to bleed... Nah, that was on the nosdomi at the begining. Got better things to fit on a d250 II setup's mids. New vid: "we're back"
Gierling	Posted - 2006.03.01 04:17:00 - [167] Yeah if you have weapon upgrades 5 you can fit your best guns with ONLY 2 rcu's... PRoposal to fix blobbing and make Charisma useful.
Foobie	Posted - 2006.03.01 04:20:00 - [168] The last few pages of this thread have been quite amusing. 90% of the posters don't know what the heck they're talking about. ______________________________________ I am the governor of Rens. And yes, I inhaled.
Amarr knight	Posted - 2006.03.01 06:17:00 - [169] I have 1 qus. Why are we comparing blaster mega with rail domi? Whats wrong with rail mega? Can fit almost similer stuff as domi, and it has a nice tracking bonus to go with it. Dont know the exact numbers but with 7 guns and a spare high slot, its shouldnt be that different. I am hearing a lot of things about what mega supposed to be and what it was. Stop living in the past guys. Stick to presesnt and use the best of your ship's abilities.
Zysco	Posted - 2006.03.01 06:36:00 - [170] Edited by: Zysco on 01/03/2006 06:36:57 Originally by: Amarr knight I have 1 qus. Why are we comparing blaster mega with rail domi? Whats wrong with rail mega? Can fit almost similer stuff as domi, and it has a nice tracking bonus to go with it. Dont know the exact numbers but with 7 guns and a spare high slot, its shouldnt be that different. ...The comparison is because a dual 250 domi does similar damage to a blasterthron, while having 3x the range, not to mention the ability to jam. A dual 250 mega does not even come close in damage so there is no point to compare them. Originally by: Gierling Yeah if you have weapon upgrades 5 you can fit your best guns with ONLY 2 rcu's... Have you tried fitting tachs on a geddon? New vid: "we're back"
Wrayeth	Posted - 2006.03.01 06:40:00 - [171] Originally by: Amarr knight I have 1 qus. Why are we comparing blaster mega with rail domi? Whats wrong with rail mega? Can fit almost similer stuff as domi, and it has a nice tracking bonus to go with it. Dont know the exact numbers but with 7 guns and a spare high slot, its shouldnt be that different. It's about combat at short range, where the domi is currently overpowered. It can nos massively, jam effectively, tank heavily, AND inflict excellent damage, all at the same time. Aside from the ishtar (which is also /win for its class), no other short-range ship is capable of doing more than two of those at the same time. TBH, the only way I can see to make an ECM vampadom counterable is to make drone aggression fail when the ship that launched them gets jammed. The problem with that is that I don't know what that will do to general balance. -Wrayeth
MalaMo	Posted - 2006.03.01 07:11:00 - [172] Well simple answer to author question is no there is no reson to use blasta mega over domi. First look @ ship price and setup price. Domi > Blasta Mega Dmg Domi + plate > Blasta Mega (Domi with rails + drones + jamm) > Mega) Close range usage: Gate camping for most of usage... Think how easy is to put domi in jumping range to Torrinos or Orvolle. You dont have to move from gate blasta mega does. So there is a chance that domi will live more :) ------------- Don't drink and drive, logon to EVE and fly.
R'adeh	Posted - 2006.03.01 08:18:00 - [173] Edited by: R''adeh on 01/03/2006 08:18:12 Originally by: Kaylon Syi To be fair... any Large Smart Bomb User Owns a domi... its just not fotm yet and probably never will be because they are totally gimp towards anything else. You need 8 cycles of 1 large smartbomb with the right damage type to kill a heavy drone...I doubt you'll have enough cap to do that when you're facing a vampdom. Especially since it's just gonna release another wave of drones once the first wave dies "blah blah, we killed you, blah blah, they killed us, blah blah, some more smack blah blah, killboard..."
Beowulf Scheafer	Posted - 2006.03.01 08:20:00 - [174] Originally by: Nafri Just nerf drones, ****ty imba things The ability to fit 5 weapons without using slots is kinda pointless. Well, I never engange dominixes anyway, no matter what I fly me, too... domi and ishtar ( the hac???) are a big nono, equal what i use. i did twice now since this is the third time my sig was deleted. i have no idea why tbh. now whats wrong with it?- beo
TuRtLe HeAd	Posted - 2006.03.01 08:34:00 - [175] Currently the Domi and the ishtar are both "I WIN BUTTONS" in their feilds With no other HAC or BS being able to solo them comfortably. They should either change the racial/class Modifiers for the Ships or change Drone interfacing to 10% per level. The drone change was supposed to reduce server load, Well now you got more Drone Pilots than Ever, and probably more Drones in space than you had to start with. Both the vessels need to be brought inline with other ships of the same class, or Increase Other Classes Drone bays to Bring them inline with these Drone monsters ------------------------------------------------ I Pity the Fool !
Odda	Posted - 2006.03.01 08:50:00 - [176] Originally by: Wrayeth Edited by: Wrayeth on 01/03/2006 06:48:19 Originally by: Amarr knight I have 1 qus. Why are we comparing blaster mega with rail domi? Whats wrong with rail mega? Can fit almost similer stuff as domi, and it has a nice tracking bonus to go with it. Dont know the exact numbers but with 7 guns and a spare high slot, its shouldnt be that different. It's about combat at short range, where the domi is currently overpowered. It can nos massively, jam effectively, tank heavily, AND inflict excellent damage, all at the same time. Aside from the ishtar (which is also /win for its class), no other short-range ship is capable of doing more than two of those at the same time. TBH, the only way I can see to make an ECM vampadom counterable is to make drone aggression fail when the ship that launched them gets jammed. The problem with that is that I don't know what that will do to general balance. EDIT: BTW, RP reason for drones losing their combat ability while the owning ship is jammed would be simple enough: the drones are controlled by the launching ship's computer, not by onboard AI. Same as the raven can.
R'adeh	Posted - 2006.03.01 09:17:00 - [177] Originally by: TuRtLe HeAd Currently the Domi and the ishtar are both "I WIN BUTTONS" in their feilds With no other HAC or BS being able to solo them comfortably. They should either change the racial/class Modifiers for the Ships or change Drone interfacing to 10% per level. The drone change was supposed to reduce server load, Well now you got more Drone Pilots than Ever, and probably more Drones in space than you had to start with. Both the vessels need to be brought inline with other ships of the same class, or Increase Other Classes Drone bays to Bring them inline with these Drone monsters 1. Domi/Ishtar are no I WIN BUTTONS! I hate facing enemies that do a great deal of expl. damage...Vagabonds (fast as hell) for example. Also, once I lose my drones I'm a harmless puppy. 2. Why should there be more drone pilots now? You need more skills then ever to be effective with drones. Most people I know rather train more useful skills for their specific race. 3. Why would it be fair to change the Domi's drone bonus'? I can't even fit a decent set of large guns on there, with the exception of JamesW's Dual 250mm setup. Every ship in game has natural enemies, and in the end it all comes down to setups. A corp mate regularly beats my Ishtar in his Sacrilege just by NOS'ing me back and outlasting me. "blah blah, we killed you, blah blah, they killed us, blah blah, some more smack blah blah, killboard..."
TuRtLe HeAd	Posted - 2006.03.01 09:20:00 - [178] Edited by: TuRtLe HeAd on 01/03/2006 09:22:31 I've seen more ishtars and domi's than ever thats why. There was a Time when there was nothing I wouldn't engage in my vagabond, Now Theres no point going near either the domi or the ishtar. ------------------------------------------------ Everyone is Entitled to thier own opinion, Its just your stinks !
LUKEC	Posted - 2006.03.01 09:27:00 - [179] Originally by: TuRtLe HeAd Edited by: TuRtLe HeAd on 01/03/2006 09:22:31 I've seen more ishtars and domi's than ever thats why. There was a Time when there was nothing I wouldn't engage in my vagabond, Now Theres no point going near either the domi or the ishtar. well the only thing that scares me in ishtar is vagabond. Kill the drones and you win. Ishtar doesn't do too much dmg and don't jam too much because it has crappy cap. I use no guns... i smack to death.
R'adeh	Posted - 2006.03.01 09:30:00 - [180] Edited by: R''adeh on 01/03/2006 09:32:56 I wasn't flaming you...just making a point And the fact that you see more Gallente than ever might have something to do with the fact that there are A LOT more players than a year ago. All I'm saying is that all this "nerf this, nerf that" talk doesn't do any good. Adapt or die (not an offence, just meant as a saying). There are countless ways to beat drone users, use the right kind of damage, tank up, use jammers, stay out of NOS range, kill the drones first and ignore the actual ship, don't stand still, stay out of webbing range...I really don't know why I'm writing this down, I'm an Ishtar/Domi pilot myself PS: Look through the forum and find me one post where I flamed people, just don't check the BE threads EDIT: A clever Vagabond pilot will kill an Ishtar...just as a clever Ishtar pilot will kill a Vagabond...if they're both clever and setup well, then flip a coin 'cause it's gonna be a sweet fight "blah blah, we killed you, blah blah, they killed us, blah blah, some more smack blah blah, killboard..."
LUKEC	Posted - 2006.03.01 09:37:00 - [181] good point about those clever pilots. But in the end, 1vs1 is rare and in most cases the losing one just warp out. I use no guns... i smack to death.
R'adeh	Posted - 2006.03.01 09:46:00 - [182] With the exception that a drone user most probably loses most of his firepower by warping out 'cause he has to leave back the drones in lots of those "escape" cases. A turret/missile user on the other hand will keep his offense all the time when warping out... I have a cool idea: Let's make it that turret/missile users automatically eject their highslot stuff if they warp off from a fight, just to balance it out with us poor drone users "blah blah, we killed you, blah blah, they killed us, blah blah, some more smack blah blah, killboard..."
LUKEC	Posted - 2006.03.01 09:50:00 - [183] Originally by: R'adeh With the exception that a drone user most probably loses most of his firepower by warping out 'cause he has to leave back the drones in lots of those "escape" cases. A turret/missile user on the other hand will keep his offense all the time when warping out... I have a cool idea: Let's make it that turret/missile users automatically eject their highslot stuff if they warp off from a fight, just to balance it out with us poor drone users Well at least ammo. I use no guns... i smack to death.
Dreez	Posted - 2006.03.01 09:52:00 - [184] Originally by: DigitalCommunist Missiles work better at close range than blasters ever will. CCP will just have to fix that, wont they ! . Please resize your signature graphic to be smaller than 24,000 bytes in filesize - Jacques Current Location: In my Blasterthron chasing TomB with a blowtorch
LUKEC	Posted - 2006.03.01 09:56:00 - [185] Originally by: Dreez Originally by: DigitalCommunist Missiles work better at close range than blasters ever will. CCP will just have to fix that, wont they ! . Eve 2 special feature. I use no guns... i smack to death.
Andarvi	Posted - 2006.03.01 10:12:00 - [186] Edited by: Andarvi on 01/03/2006 10:12:47 I mostly fly a Vexor/Dominix and I do pretty well in them usually.. I only fit nos setups if I'm going against HACs, against anything else my damage output is enough.. I would love to see a new low slot item named Cap hardener The standard version giving you 50% reduction in cap loss and something like +2.5% cap recharge. I'm all for counters
ChalSto	Posted - 2006.03.01 10:18:00 - [187] Originally by: LUKEC Originally by: Dreez Originally by: DigitalCommunist Missiles work better at close range than blasters ever will. CCP will just have to fix that, wont they ! . Eve 2 special feature. Very sad.........but true I realy hope it will be fixed. Would make the game in a blasterthron much more fun. Maybe a 50% dmg-incrase?......or is that too much?. For me it seems, then they are getting the gun¦s, they are supposed to be.....
Odda	Posted - 2006.03.01 10:21:00 - [188] Originally by: ChalSto Originally by: LUKEC Originally by: Dreez Originally by: DigitalCommunist Missiles work better at close range than blasters ever will. CCP will just have to fix that, wont they ! . Eve 2 special feature. Very sad.........but true I realy hope it will be fixed. Would make the game in a blasterthron much more fun. Maybe a 50% dmg-incrase?......or is that too much?. For me it seems, then they are getting the gun¦s, they are supposed to be..... Or just add a anti missilse system that works.. since missile got a 100% acc they shuld have som antisystem.
Darwinia	Posted - 2006.03.01 10:21:00 - [189] The missiles were balanced back when they did splash damage... If somebody wanted to shoot torps at you point blank, he was hurting himself as well. I know it was removed because it was causing major problems in empire, but I wonder if the could bring back splash damage for 0.0... ------------------------ I don't believe in sigs.
ChalSto	Posted - 2006.03.01 10:38:00 - [190] Back to the topic. Well......you should make differences between a megathron and a dominix. Sorry.....but a sniper-dominix will nerver hit up to 180km and do decend dmg. A blaster-dominix will never be able to fit a full rack of neutron-blasters. You get the point? Dominix is a drone-carrier and one of the best (maybe THE best) 1vs1 ships out there after rmr. The Blasterthron is broken since castor (or nobody in the whole EvE-world found the wftbbq-setup yet.......(think of the "i win"-plate-drone-rax.......rest in peace)). I have never heard a geddon/apoc/tempest/phoon/domi/raven/scorp-pilot who said:"Omg.....a blasterthron........when he get into range, he¦ll wtfbbq me....." Blasters are a jocke Dreez current location: In his Blasterthron chasing TomB with a blowtorch. ChalSto joins him.
Pottsey	Posted - 2006.03.01 10:57:00 - [191] Edited by: Pottsey on 01/03/2006 10:58:46 öWell......you should make differences between a megathron and a dominix. Sorry.....but a sniper-dominix will nerver hit up to 180km and do decend dmg.ö I heard but not confirmed that Domi makes an excellent sniper ship or well do after the patch. 50% damage bonus and higher tracking means its better then the sniper Megathron. If you use long range sent drones with range boosting modules you do high DPS and can hit at 180km. In a way its better then sniper ships, as the Domi does not have to swap to lower damage long range ammo or crystals. His drones do the same damage at 180km as they do at 30km. öA blaster-dominix will never be able to fit a full rack of neutron-blasters. You get the point?ö My tanked domi has tons of powrgrid more then enough for a full rack of neutron-blasters. A while back I used to fly a sniper, blaster Domi with lots of neutron-blasters. _________________________________________________ Nominate famous people in Eve who had an impact on you.
ChalSto	Posted - 2006.03.01 11:03:00 - [192] Edited by: ChalSto on 01/03/2006 11:06:09 Edited by: ChalSto on 01/03/2006 11:05:36 Originally by: Pottsey öWell......you should make differences between a megathron and a dominix. Sorry.....but a sniper-dominix will nerver hit up to 180km and do decend dmg.ö I heard but not confirmed that Domi makes an excellent sniper ship or well do after the patch. 50% damage bonus and higher tracking means its better then the sniper Megathron. If you use long range sent drones with range boosting modules you do high DPS and can hit at 180km. In a way its better then sniper ships, as the Domi does not have to swap to lower damage long range ammo or crystals. His drones do the same damage at 180km as they do at 30km. OK....why not. accepted öA blaster-dominix will never be able to fit a full rack of neutron-blasters. You get the point?ö My tanked domi has tons of powrgrid more then enough for a full rack of neutron-blasters. I used to fly a sniper blaster Domi. ok..... ....and my blasterthron will cut your domi in half in a few seconds, becouse u will have NO tank....lol My mega got 6k more pg than your domi and i still got problems to fit a full rack of neutrons+"good" tank. Your dominix is useless with blasters Dreez current location: In his Blasterthron chasing TomB with a blowtorch. ChalSto joins him.
LUKEC	Posted - 2006.03.01 11:30:00 - [193] I'd not be so sure that you cannot tank blasterdomi. Shield tank and station fights might be very interesting. I use no guns... i smack to death.
Wrayeth	Posted - 2006.03.01 11:34:00 - [194] Originally by: Odda Originally by: Wrayeth Edited by: Wrayeth on 01/03/2006 06:48:19 It's about combat at short range, where the domi is currently overpowered. It can nos massively, jam effectively, tank heavily, AND inflict excellent damage, all at the same time. Aside from the ishtar (which is also /win for its class), no other short-range ship is capable of doing more than two of those at the same time. Same as the raven can. Um...no. The raven can either jam and have a good damage output, but a crappy tank and only one or two nos, go heavy tank/heavy damage/no jammers/limited nos, strong jammers/ strong nos/no damage/no tank, etc. The raven can only do two of these things at once with any proficiency. The dominix can do all four at once, which is the problem. -Wrayeth
Nafri	Posted - 2006.03.01 11:56:00 - [195] Originally by: LUKEC Originally by: TuRtLe HeAd Edited by: TuRtLe HeAd on 01/03/2006 09:22:31 I've seen more ishtars and domi's than ever thats why. There was a Time when there was nothing I wouldn't engage in my vagabond, Now Theres no point going near either the domi or the ishtar. well the only thing that scares me in ishtar is vagabond. Kill the drones and you win. Ishtar doesn't do too much dmg and don't jam too much because it has crappy cap. Ishtar is one of the top damage HAC out here, and a Ishtars drones are as sturdy as a small cruisers, so killing 5 of em while beeing underfire is quite a task. Tbh, You can forget to kill drones of a ishtar/dominix, thy have enough spare room for more waves, and their drones are very tight
Nafri	Posted - 2006.03.01 11:57:00 - [196] Originally by: Wrayeth Originally by: Odda Originally by: Wrayeth Edited by: Wrayeth on 01/03/2006 06:48:19 It's about combat at short range, where the domi is currently overpowered. It can nos massively, jam effectively, tank heavily, AND inflict excellent damage, all at the same time. Aside from the ishtar (which is also /win for its class), no other short-range ship is capable of doing more than two of those at the same time. Same as the raven can. Um...no. The raven can either jam and have a good damage output, but a crappy tank and only one or two nos, go heavy tank/heavy damage/no jammers/limited nos, strong jammers/ strong nos/no damage/no tank, etc. The raven can only do two of these things at once with any proficiency. The dominix can do all four at once, which is the problem. and you can kill the raven with frigs, where the dominix will eat everything alive
Porro	Posted - 2006.03.01 12:00:00 - [197] Edited by: Porro on 01/03/2006 12:01:31 Im not entirely sure, but don't precision cruise missiles actually hurt small stuff quite a bit? Or at least more than a normal cruise :p. Also Ishtar can fit about 2 waves of heavies? Its been a while since ive flown my domi so I can't say about that.
LUKEC	Posted - 2006.03.01 12:04:00 - [198] Originally by: Nafri Originally by: LUKEC Originally by: TuRtLe HeAd Edited by: TuRtLe HeAd on 01/03/2006 09:22:31 I've seen more ishtars and domi's than ever thats why. There was a Time when there was nothing I wouldn't engage in my vagabond, Now Theres no point going near either the domi or the ishtar. well the only thing that scares me in ishtar is vagabond. Kill the drones and you win. Ishtar doesn't do too much dmg and don't jam too much because it has crappy cap. Ishtar is one of the top damage HAC out here, and a Ishtars drones are as sturdy as a small cruisers, so killing 5 of em while beeing underfire is quite a task. Tbh, You can forget to kill drones of a ishtar/dominix, thy have enough spare room for more waves, and their drones are very tight Yeah but they don't hit much hac orbiting at 2km /s :) I use no guns... i smack to death.
Pottsey	Posted - 2006.03.01 12:48:00 - [199] ôok..... ....and my blasterthron will cut your domi in half in a few seconds, becouse u will have NO tank....lol My mega got 6k more pg than your domi and i still got problems to fit a full rack of neutrons+"good" tank.ö Due to the way I tank I have around about 15k totel PG and 10k+ after fitting a tank so I do have a full tank with blasters, more then enough free PG for a full neutron setup. I say around about as I am at work so I cannot login to check the precise PG. You would never kill my domi in a matter of seconds. No one has every killed me in under 1 minuet 1v1 after the first shot was fired. I choose not to use blasters now but thatÆs not because I cannot fit them. ItÆs because I prefer not to use turrets full stop. Fitting blasters is not a problem. note: My old sniper blaster setup didnÆt have a tank but that was a PvE setup and no longer works. Well not tried it with the new stacking rules, I assume it does not work anymore. _________________________________________________ Nominate famous people in Eve who had an impact on you.
Nafri	Posted - 2006.03.01 13:20:00 - [200] Originally by: LUKEC Originally by: Nafri Originally by: LUKEC Originally by: TuRtLe HeAd Edited by: TuRtLe HeAd on 01/03/2006 09:22:31 I've seen more ishtars and domi's than ever thats why. There was a Time when there was nothing I wouldn't engage in my vagabond, Now Theres no point going near either the domi or the ishtar. well the only thing that scares me in ishtar is vagabond. Kill the drones and you win. Ishtar doesn't do too much dmg and don't jam too much because it has crappy cap. Ishtar is one of the top damage HAC out here, and a Ishtars drones are as sturdy as a small cruisers, so killing 5 of em while beeing underfire is quite a task. Tbh, You can forget to kill drones of a ishtar/dominix, thy have enough spare room for more waves, and their drones are very tight Yeah but they don't hit much hac orbiting at 2km /s :) Never had problems to eat them with drones, but Im used to howitzers ,-). Tbh, just use medium drones if you see your heaves dont hit so well. You have enough room for 2x heavys 2x medium and 2x light, if I remember correctly
Sacred Badger	Posted - 2006.03.01 13:33:00 - [201] Am i missing something with all the people saying 'the drones from the Domi count as 5 weapons with out using hi-slots' According to the Item Database the Mega has 125m^3 of drone bay. Meaning you can carry 5 T2 Heavy drones too. Granted the Domi gets the 10% damage/hitpoint bonues per lvl of Battleship skill, but still... Or has that been changed post-RMR? (I don't fly BS's yet and i can't get online to check in game)
ChalSto	Posted - 2006.03.01 13:45:00 - [202] Originally by: Pottsey ôok..... ....and my blasterthron will cut your domi in half in a few seconds, becouse u will have NO tank....lol My mega got 6k more pg than your domi and i still got problems to fit a full rack of neutrons+"good" tank.ö Due to the way I tank I have around about 15k totel PG and 10k+ after fitting a tank so I do have a full tank with blasters, more then enough free PG for a full neutron setup. I say around about as I am at work so I cannot login to check the precise PG. You would never kill my domi in a matter of seconds. No one has every killed me in under 1 minuet 1v1 after the first shot was fired. I choose not to use blasters now but thatÆs not because I cannot fit them. ItÆs because I prefer not to use turrets full stop. Fitting blasters is not a problem. note: My old sniper blaster setup didnÆt have a tank but that was a PvE setup and no longer works. Well not tried it with the new stacking rules, I assume it does not work anymore. so LOL. 6X Mondal-Neutron-Blasters (with adv.Weapon-upg L5) are what? ooooops -> 12150 PG WTB Dominix with more than 11250 PG with Engeneering L5 Dreez current location: In his Blasterthron chasing TomB with a blowtorch. ChalSto joins him.
Wee Dave	Posted - 2006.03.01 13:48:00 - [203] The damage bonus from the drone bonus makes the difference. I think that a lot of the power of Gallente drone ships isn't from the increase in drone skills, so much as the hp boost. Too many people make the mistake when fighting ishkur/ishtar/dom of going for the ship instead of the drones, which just isn't going to work. Pre-RMR it might have been feasible with a gank setup to knock out the ship before the drones ate you, but now it isn't possible. Drones are tough, but not that tough, and if you kill a few of them the dps of a drone boat is cut significantly. For instance, a Vexor can run 5 mediums and 5 lights in its bay. If you kill just three of the mediums, you've cut it down quite significantly. Five mediums and its hamstrung. But if you keep blasting away at the ship itself you will probably find the tank is only just breaking when it kills you (assuming you are in an equivalent ship type).
Earthan	Posted - 2006.03.01 14:16:00 - [204] Originally by: DigitalCommunist Too much discussion about the Dominix and its billion setups, when the problem is with the Blasterthron. Its inherent suckyness is due to several factors. 1. Blasterthron its an absolute nightmare to fit. 2. Blasters have marginal benefits over longer range weapons. 3. Every bship fits nos, because of their huge impact on small craft - which also manages to screw every blasterthron. 4. Missiles work better at close range than blasters ever will. exactly Dominix is ok , problem is megathron/blasters weakness. Dont say the solution is to nerf drones so dominix is weaker.Then gallente pilots will have to 2 weak battleships , how great solving of the problem wow. ******** "...And thereÆs even some evil mothers Well theyÆre gonna tell you that everything is just dirt ...And that, yÆknow, children are the only ones who blush!And that,life is just to die..."
TuRtLe HeAd	Posted - 2006.03.01 14:25:00 - [205] The solution is Nerf Jamming so the Dominix isn't so powerful ! ------------------------------------------------ Everyone is Entitled to thier own opinion, Its just yours stinks !
Thrinnor	Posted - 2006.03.01 15:38:00 - [206] Originally by: ChalSto Originally by: Pottsey ôok..... ....and my blasterthron will cut your domi in half in a few seconds, becouse u will have NO tank....lol My mega got 6k more pg than your domi and i still got problems to fit a full rack of neutrons+"good" tank.ö Due to the way I tank I have around about 15k totel PG and 10k+ after fitting a tank so I do have a full tank with blasters, more then enough free PG for a full neutron setup. I say around about as I am at work so I cannot login to check the precise PG. You would never kill my domi in a matter of seconds. No one has every killed me in under 1 minuet 1v1 after the first shot was fired. I choose not to use blasters now but thatÆs not because I cannot fit them. ItÆs because I prefer not to use turrets full stop. Fitting blasters is not a problem. note: My old sniper blaster setup didnÆt have a tank but that was a PvE setup and no longer works. Well not tried it with the new stacking rules, I assume it does not work anymore. so LOL. 6X Mondal-Neutron-Blasters (with adv.Weapon-upg L5) are what? ooooops -> 12150 PG WTB Dominix with more than 11250 PG with Engeneering L5 As she's shield tanking, I'm willing to bet the lows will be a mix of RCUs and PDSs
Crellion	Posted - 2006.03.01 15:55:00 - [207] Edited by: Crellion on 01/03/2006 15:55:18 Fix blasters and nerf jamming.... edit: 4tw
Bazman	Posted - 2006.03.01 15:59:00 - [208] Originally by: Zysco Originally by: Bazman Real men use Dual 250mm II's tbh, nobody expects to be drilled by railguns when they see a Dominix! :P go watch my vid, d250 II 4tw! I have so many vids yours is probably buried amongst them, If only i could be arsed frapsing my fights too :p ----- Hi TomB! All out Do or Die Blasterboat for tier 3 Gallente battleship please! Make it look cool too. Thanks.
Wee Dave	Posted - 2006.03.01 16:33:00 - [209] Originally by: Thrinnor Originally by: ChalSto Originally by: Pottsey ôok..... ....and my blasterthron will cut your domi in half in a few seconds, becouse u will have NO tank....lol My mega got 6k more pg than your domi and i still got problems to fit a full rack of neutrons+"good" tank.ö Due to the way I tank I have around about 15k totel PG and 10k+ after fitting a tank so I do have a full tank with blasters, more then enough free PG for a full neutron setup. I say around about as I am at work so I cannot login to check the precise PG. You would never kill my domi in a matter of seconds. No one has every killed me in under 1 minuet 1v1 after the first shot was fired. I choose not to use blasters now but thatÆs not because I cannot fit them. ItÆs because I prefer not to use turrets full stop. Fitting blasters is not a problem. note: My old sniper blaster setup didnÆt have a tank but that was a PvE setup and no longer works. Well not tried it with the new stacking rules, I assume it does not work anymore. so LOL. 6X Mondal-Neutron-Blasters (with adv.Weapon-upg L5) are what? ooooops -> 12150 PG WTB Dominix with more than 11250 PG with Engeneering L5 As she's shield tanking, I'm willing to bet the lows will be a mix of RCUs and PDSs I remember a heavy pg setup from a while ago to fit 6 heavy NOS (pg 12,000 I believe). Went something like this: 6 heavy NOS 1 large cap booster 1 xl clarity ward booster, shield hardeners, scrambler if you want it 7 pdus So I think that you could adapt that to a blaster setup relatively easily as it would only be an extra 150 pg. Changing a pdu for an rcu wouldn't be the end of the world even if it was necessary.
Death Merchant	Posted - 2006.03.01 17:37:00 - [210] Originally by: Aakron Edited by: Aakron on 27/02/2006 20:06:59 Do we really need to nerf Nos/drones or Domis? I fly both Mega and Domi and I dont want to turn the domi into a pathetic and less versatile ship. Seriously please just boost the damage of mega blasters so that if you get into range you do the damage you deserve to do QFT
Zysco	Posted - 2006.03.01 17:50:00 - [211] Originally by: Bazman Originally by: Zysco Originally by: Bazman Real men use Dual 250mm II's tbh, nobody expects to be drilled by railguns when they see a Dominix! :P go watch my vid, d250 II 4tw! I have so many vids yours is probably buried amongst them, If only i could be arsed frapsing my fights too :p New one baz, in the sig, some blasterthron action New vid: "we're back"
Lienzo	Posted - 2006.03.01 18:06:00 - [212] Edited by: Lienzo on 01/03/2006 18:06:44 I dislike screwing around with the guns tbh. What about just giving out another midslot to Mega, Apoc, Tempest, and Raven? When you get right down to it, almost every ship is lacking in mids. They're too essential. Make tactical lows maybe? Otherwise, I think most Mega and Apoc pilots at least would gladly sacrifice a low for another mid.
Zysco	Posted - 2006.03.01 18:29:00 - [213] Originally by: Lienzo Edited by: Lienzo on 01/03/2006 18:06:44 I dislike screwing around with the guns tbh. What about just giving out another midslot to Mega, Apoc, Tempest, and Raven? When you get right down to it, almost every ship is lacking in mids. They're too essential. Make tactical lows maybe? Otherwise, I think most Mega and Apoc pilots at least would gladly sacrifice a low for another mid. Um, so you solution to making a blasterthron better is to make every other bs better as well? Brilliant. New vid: "we're back"
Dreez	Posted - 2006.03.01 20:18:00 - [214] Originally by: Zysco Um, so you solution to making a blasterthron better is to make every other bs better as well? Brilliant. Forgive him, for he know not what he speaks of. Please resize your signature graphic to be smaller than 24,000 bytes in filesize - Jacques Current Location: In my Blasterthron chasing TomB with a blowtorch
LUKEC	Posted - 2006.03.01 20:53:00 - [215] Well i use lots of low-cpu modules and have like 3-4 cpu left with -5% cpu implant. So another med. slot would not really help me. I use no guns... i smack to death.
Outa Rileau	Posted - 2006.03.01 21:11:00 - [216] Originally by: Aakron Seriously please just boost the damage of mega blasters so that if you get into range you do the damage you deserve to do They already do Can beat a non-stop boosting raven with no probs...
LUKEC	Posted - 2006.03.01 21:14:00 - [217] o rly? I use no guns... i smack to death.
Zysco	Posted - 2006.03.01 21:21:00 - [218] Originally by: Outa Rileau Originally by: Aakron Seriously please just boost the damage of mega blasters so that if you get into range you do the damage you deserve to do They already do Can beat a non-stop boosting raven with no probs... Lol maybe if he was boosting with a civ booster or was tanked for killing Bloods. New vid: "we're back"
LUKEC	Posted - 2006.03.01 21:27:00 - [219] Edited by: LUKEC on 01/03/2006 21:28:46 Originally by: Zysco Originally by: Outa Rileau Originally by: Aakron Seriously please just boost the damage of mega blasters so that if you get into range you do the damage you deserve to do They already do Can beat a non-stop boosting raven with no probs... Lol maybe if he was boosting with a civ booster or was tanked for killing Bloods. Those are armor tanked :). But taking blasterthron solo into Gurista / serpentis space is just waste of ammo. You probably do better if you fit dual heavy pulses on thron. I use no guns... i smack to death.
Dreez	Posted - 2006.03.01 22:46:00 - [220] Originally by: LUKEC But taking blasterthron solo into Gurista / serpentis space is just waste of ammo. You probably do better if you fit dual heavy pulses on thron. , Im using my blasterthron with 7xion-II against guristas and it works like a charm. You must be doing something wrong then. Please resize your signature graphic to be smaller than 24,000 bytes in filesize - Jacques Current Location: In my Blasterthron chasing TomB with a blowtorch
Farjung	Posted - 2006.03.01 23:03:00 - [221] Originally by: Dreez Originally by: LUKEC But taking blasterthron solo into Gurista / serpentis space is just waste of ammo. You probably do better if you fit dual heavy pulses on thron. , Im using my blasterthron with 7xion-II against guristas and it works like a charm. You must be doing something wrong then. LUKEC meant taking a blasterthron to Guristas/serp space to hunt NPCers is a waste, I think. Double kin/therm tanked ravens take an age and a half to kill :[.
Imhotep Khem	Posted - 2006.03.03 14:51:00 - [222] 5% Large Hybrid Turret Damage per lvl 10% Drone HP per lvl 10% Drone Damage per lvl This is 3 bonuses, two of which are 10%!?! I wonder how the meeting went where the person proposed 10% bonuses for the dominix. I can imagine beer was involved. ____ If your not dyin' your not tryin'.
Zysco	Posted - 2006.03.03 17:35:00 - [223] Originally by: Imhotep Khem 5% Large Hybrid Turret Damage per lvl 10% Drone HP per lvl 10% Drone Damage per lvl This is 3 bonuses, two of which are 10%!?! I wonder how the meeting went where the person proposed 10% bonuses for the dominix. I can imagine beer was involved. Um... those "10% bonuses" are to replace the previous bonus, and are balanced exactly the same as the previous bonus. New vid: "we're back"
LUKEC	Posted - 2006.03.03 17:37:00 - [224] Originally by: Farjung Originally by: Dreez Originally by: LUKEC But taking blasterthron solo into Gurista / serpentis space is just waste of ammo. You probably do better if you fit dual heavy pulses on thron. , Im using my blasterthron with 7xion-II against guristas and it works like a charm. You must be doing something wrong then. LUKEC meant taking a blasterthron to Guristas/serp space to hunt NPCers is a waste, I think. Double kin/therm tanked ravens take an age and a half to kill :[. That's what i had in mind. I use no guns... i smack to death.
Imhotep Khem	Posted - 2006.03.04 22:11:00 - [225] Originally by: Zysco Um... those "10% bonuses" are to replace the previous bonus, and are balanced exactly the same as the previous bonus. A lot of changes have gone on to all aspects of the game. Thats no excuse to give one ship 3 bonuses. Besides, an extra drone is hardly as valuable as a stronger drone. ____ If your not dyin' your not tryin'.
Zysco	Posted - 2006.03.04 23:35:00 - [226] Edited by: Zysco on 04/03/2006 23:35:03 Originally by: Imhotep Khem Originally by: Zysco Um... those "10% bonuses" are to replace the previous bonus, and are balanced exactly the same as the previous bonus. A lot of changes have gone on to all aspects of the game. Thats no excuse to give one ship 3 bonuses. Besides, an extra drone is hardly as valuable as a stronger drone. Apparently you are a little slow. Pre change: max skills domi has can use 15 drones. Post change: max skills domi can use 5 drones which do the damage of 15 and roughly have the hps of 15. In fact, with bs 4 a domi now does significantly less damage post change than it did prechange. callon > I don't like traveling much, i think its cause my father used to beat me with a globe. http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=300438New vid: "we're back
Meridius	Posted - 2006.03.04 23:40:00 - [227] Edited by: Meridius on 04/03/2006 23:40:03 Originally by: Imhotep Khem Originally by: Zysco Um... those "10% bonuses" are to replace the previous bonus, and are balanced exactly the same as the previous bonus. A lot of changes have gone on to all aspects of the game. Thats no excuse to give one ship 3 bonuses. Besides, an extra drone is hardly as valuable as a stronger drone. Comprehension and you don't seem to get along. During the drone balancing changes, the Dominix (and all ships)were nerfed down to 5 drones instead of 15 so to match pre-nerf damage it requires a 10% drone hp/drone damage bonus. If it didn't it would be a horrid piece of ****. _ __
Imhotep Khem	Posted - 2006.03.05 00:08:00 - [228] Edited by: Imhotep Khem on 05/03/2006 00:08:59 Unsavvy. 1 drone that does the damage of 5 drones and has the HP of 5 drones is worth more than those 5 drones put together. Pre-patch, those with limited drone skills would always use 1-2 large drones over their damage/HP equivalent in smaller drones. This needs to be accounted for. And saying that dominix does less damage is a joke. Drones do more damage, dominix did not loose any drone damage or HP, thus Dominix does more damage. Have you forgotten about the new skills and the T2 drones? ____ If your not dyin' your not tryin'.
dalman	Posted - 2006.03.05 00:16:00 - [229] Congrats, Imhotep Khem. You are now posting on a subject where you are as wrong as you were with the stacking penatly 24 hours ago. In other words, completely wrong. Am I forced to have any regret? I've become the lie, beautiful and free In my righteous own mind I adore and preach the insanity you gave to me
Taketa De	Posted - 2006.03.05 16:32:00 - [230] Originally by: Zysco Apparently you are a little slow. Pre change: max skills domi has can use 15 drones. Post change: max skills domi can use 5 drones which do the damage of 15 and roughly have the hps of 15. In fact, with bs 4 a domi now does significantly less damage post change than it did prechange. Acutally, the hps are a lot less then 15 equivalent, Drone interfacing gives no HP bouns. --- The Advanced Drone Control Panel.
Sniser	Posted - 2006.03.05 18:10:00 - [231] i cant understand why all ships get 1 damage bonus + 1 utility bonus but some gallente ships get 2 damage bonus + 1 utility. they should get only 10% hp bonus to their drones
Admiral IceBlock	Posted - 2006.03.05 18:26:00 - [232] Edited by: Admiral IceBlock on 05/03/2006 18:26:22 Only problem I have with Large Blasters is their tracking. I would say increase Large Blasters tracking and replace the Tracking Bonus on the Megathron with a Falloff Bonus, like the Deimos.. "We brake for nobody"
Zysco	Posted - 2006.03.05 18:28:00 - [233] Edited by: Zysco on 05/03/2006 18:32:22 Edited by: Zysco on 05/03/2006 18:29:46 Originally by: Imhotep Khem Edited by: Imhotep Khem on 05/03/2006 00:08:59 Unsavvy. 1 drone that does the damage of 5 drones and has the HP of 5 drones is worth more than those 5 drones put together. Pre-patch, those with limited drone skills would always use 1-2 large drones over their damage/HP equivalent in smaller drones. This needs to be accounted for. And saying that dominix does less damage is a joke. Drones do more damage, dominix did not loose any drone damage or HP, thus Dominix does more damage. Have you forgotten about the new skills and the T2 drones? The new skills dont affect (for heavys) damage besides the t2 drone skill. And seeing that drone skills affect everyone using drones, and not just a dominix, so i dont really see why you are bringing it up? Dominix does pretty much the same damage it did before it got the "2 omgwtf unbalaced 10% bonuses!!!11," while its 5 drones are (overall) weaker hp-wise (thx for correcting me!) than 15. I dont really know if i can put it any simpler for you. Originally by: Sniser i cant understand why all ships get 1 damage bonus + 1 utility bonus but some gallente ships get 2 damage bonus + 1 utility. they should get only 10% hp bonus to their drones Hi, that point has been addressed, read the thread before posting. Let me try all caps as that seems to be the only language some posters understand: THE DOMINIX IS BASICALLY THE SAME AS IT WAS WHEN IT HAD ONLY 2 BONUSES. IT HAS 3 BONUSES BECAUSE 2 OF THOSE BONUSES ARE THERE TO REPLACE THE CHANGED DRONE INTERFACING SKILL AND THE CHANGED DOMI SKILL SO IT CAN STILL EFFECTIVELY WIELD "15" DRONES. callon > I don't like traveling much, i think its cause my father used to beat me with a globe. http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=300438New vid: "we're back
Pottsey	Posted - 2006.03.05 18:32:00 - [234] ôi cant understand why all ships get 1 damage bonus + 1 utility bonus but some gallente ships get 2 damage bonus + 1 utility. they should get only 10% hp bonus to their dronesö There is no rule saying ships have to have 2 bonusÆs only and sometimes 3 bonusÆs on 1 ship is fair and compares well to 2 bonusÆs on another ship. You have to look at what the bonusÆs are. That and the Domi had drones taken away from it. The 3rd drone bonusÆs is to make up for taking those 5 to 10 drones away from the drone ship. For comparison it would be like taking away 3 of the Megathron turrets but giving it a 3rd damage bonusÆs. ThatÆs sort of what happened to the Domi. It had its damage output reduce from less drones then a 3rd bonus to boost the damage output. _________________________________________________ Nominate famous people in Eve who had an impact on you.
Zysco	Posted - 2006.03.05 18:34:00 - [235] Originally by: Pottsey For comparison it would be like taking away 3 of the Megathron turrets but giving it a 3rd damage bonusÆs. ThatÆs sort of what happened to the Domi. It had its damage output reduce from less drones then a 3rd bonus to boost the damage output. Great comparison. Its kind of like complaining that the tempest gets 2 damage bonuses while an apoc gets none, so thats unbalanced. callon > I don't like traveling much, i think its cause my father used to beat me with a globe. http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=300438New vid: "we're back
Kyguard	Posted - 2006.03.05 18:39:00 - [236] A megathron could beat a dominix, but he'd have to know exactly what he's doing and hope that the domi pilot isn't too experienced or makes a mistake. But generally a megathron won't beat a dominix -\|- Join LFC, become someone, become family.

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