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Odithia
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2013.12.19 11:41:00 -
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Perfectly balanced, you can't expect to easily counter a gang of 10 alone. |
SFM Hobb3s
Vanguard Frontiers
Black Legion.
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Posted - 2013.12.19 14:58:00 -
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Nimrod vanHall wrote:Just bring a slowcat blob. With amar light drones for mids 2 omnidirectional tracking link II 2 drone navigation units. Have 2 slowcats fit remote sensor boosters with scan scripts and 1 with remote sensor boosters lock range scripts 1 with remote ECCM have one thanatos pilot ghostride into an information and skirmish linked eos. Use this all to boost a proteus with an officer scram ( yes uou can make it fit ) as trigger and kil one ceptor every 4 to 10 seconds
Just don't forget to have your 1000 t1 sentries in cargo so you can do you-know-what to the node if you find yourself in a pickle =P |
Omega Crendraven
Nennamaila TASK FORCE 1337
120
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Posted - 2013.12.19 17:01:00 -
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LML Heretic
Nennamaila TASK FORCE 133.7 Nevher ferget
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Berasus
Ice station zebra
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Posted - 2014.03.07 01:49:00 -
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Hrett wrote:Jeb Vacano wrote:Dual drone navigation comp II's and warior II's
10km/s lets see them out run that Unless they have changed drone mechanics drastically in the last few years, this will not work. The drones go so fast that they speed past the inty constantly. The drones will rarely fire a shot. I fit up a couple of Vexors for this purpose and it was a failed experiment. The drones also go so fast that they have trouble docking back in the drone bay when you recall them. :)
All my experiences with mwd'ing frigates has been that even warriors are pretty useless.
Last attempt: 2 ishtars vs a 7 man interceptor gang. Ishtars had 1 drone nav and 2 omni links each. 10 warriors out, They mwd to the target, fire one volley then fall behind. mwd to the target, fire 1 volley then fall behind. Could never get any kind of sustained dps on an inty and the best i managed to achieve was making 1 casually warp away after a while. |
Dr Cedric
Independent Miners Corporation
Care Factor
35
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Posted - 2014.03.07 03:29:00 -
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I know I'm beating a dead horse here, but I think its worth mentioning again.
I can't think of another ship class in the game that there isn't at least one clear, effective and cost-efficient counter to. Interceptors, with their current stats and bonuses are not well balanced w/ the rest of the PvP situation in Eve right now. Flame away :)
Cedric
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Bea Love
Red Federation
RvB - RED Federation
2
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Posted - 2014.03.07 08:14:00 -
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Well what about a Huginn? Against 3-4 Ceptors?! Dualweb... I have not tried this by myself - but maybe... |
Lloyd Roses
Blue-Fire
535
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Posted - 2014.03.07 09:56:00 -
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Omega Crendraven wrote:LML Heretic
That one knows his basics 
"I honestly thought I was in lowsec"
Moving pictures |
Bertrand Butler
Cras es Noster
259
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Posted - 2014.03.07 11:24:00 -
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There are some classic anti-frig support ships, like the RLM Scythe Fleet issue, the Pulse Omen Navy Issue and the RLM Osprey Navy Issue.
You can also use ships with web bonuses, like the Minmatar recons, or the current Blood Raider and Guardian Angel lines.
The re-balanced interdictors are also good.
Ultimately though, the best defense against a gang that wants to kill you is...to bring a gang yourself. Expecting to take on solo a gang of small ships should always put you in a disadvantage. And it does. |
Ireland VonVicious
Vicious Trading Company
297
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Posted - 2014.03.07 20:59:00 -
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An ASB Gila fit just to ruin interceptors would me my bet.
Small missiles / Neuts in the highs.
Make sure to add some speed mods and an Omni with tracking script for the drones.
Everything else is just tank.
Make sure to have sentries just in case they get out of range to use smaller drones effectively.
Don't bring heavies. Just tons of T2 lights and meds.
If you want a cheap version but with less mids grab a basic vexor and try to do similar tactics. |
Brutor Trash
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
3
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Posted - 2014.03.08 05:43:00 -
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USE RLML. OH WAIT. |
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Reaver Glitterstim
Dromedaworks inc
Test Alliance Please Ignore
1010
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Posted - 2014.03.09 03:05:00 -
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Brutor Trash wrote:USE RLML. OH WAIT.
that would be too easy
Fit a warfare link to your tech 1 battlecruiser. Train Wing Commander. Get in the Squad Commander or Wing Commander position. Your fleets will be superior to everyone else's. (had this sig BEFORE Odyssey BC rebalance)
And bring back the missile Inquisitor!! |
Chessur
Amarrian Nublet
Team Amarrica
301
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Posted - 2014.03.09 06:30:00 -
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Intys are only 'hard countered' by 2 ship classes (that would need support in order to kill the intys)
1. Recons, of any flavor **** on them
2. EAF's
3. Destroyers + Dictors
Currently the entire cruiser lineup lacks any form of consistant weapon system to handle intys. They also lack the speed, and web bonuses to apply any type of consistanc EWAR against them. So against competent frig pilots, cruisers are outmatched. |
Reaver Glitterstim
Dromedaworks inc
Test Alliance Please Ignore
1012
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Posted - 2014.03.09 07:08:00 -
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Chessur wrote:Intys are only 'hard countered' by 2 ship classes (that would need support in order to kill the intys)
1. Recons, of any flavor **** on them
2. EAF's
3. Destroyers + Dictors
Currently the entire cruiser lineup lacks any form of consistant weapon system to handle intys. They also lack the speed, and web bonuses to apply any type of consistanc EWAR against them. So against competent frig pilots, cruisers are outmatched. Destroyer isn't a ship class, it's a size class.
Fit a warfare link to your tech 1 battlecruiser. Train Wing Commander. Get in the Squad Commander or Wing Commander position. Your fleets will be superior to everyone else's. (had this sig BEFORE Odyssey BC rebalance)
And bring back the missile Inquisitor!! |
Kiryen O'Bannon
Thrall Nation
Brave Collective
63
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Posted - 2014.03.09 09:07:00 -
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Ripard Teg posted an anti-frigate Bellicose build on his blog this past week. Try that. (Jester's Trek is the blog.) |
Chessur
Amarrian Nublet
Team Amarrica
302
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Posted - 2014.03.09 09:10:00 -
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Kiryen O'Bannon wrote:Ripard Teg posted an anti-frigate Bellicose build on his blog this past week. Try that. (Jester's Trek is the blog.)
Bellicose is a horrible ship. It was before the RLML nerf, and its even more **** now. Best anti-frig cruiser is the Nomen, Nosprey, Scythe Fleet. Bellicose is basically just a watered down of the last two. |
Kiryen O'Bannon
Thrall Nation
Brave Collective
64
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Posted - 2014.03.09 15:02:00 -
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Chessur wrote:Kiryen O'Bannon wrote:Ripard Teg posted an anti-frigate Bellicose build on his blog this past week. Try that. (Jester's Trek is the blog.) Bellicose is a horrible ship. It was before the RLML nerf, and its even more **** now. Best anti-frig cruiser is the Nomen, Nosprey, Scythe Fleet. Bellicose is basically just a watered down of the last two.
All faction cruisers..... Not a level comparison. |
Gypsio III
Questionable Ethics.
Ministry of Inappropriate Footwork
1140
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Posted - 2014.03.09 15:38:00 -
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Bellicose is a poor choice, it lacks the missile velocity bonus that is needed for light missiles to be effective against interceptors.
Unless you land a web of course, but Jester's fit doesn't have one and if you web the inty target, you're probably better off with the superior damage of the Caracal anyway. |
Chessur
Amarrian Nublet
Team Amarrica
302
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Posted - 2014.03.09 15:52:00 -
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Kiryen O'Bannon wrote:Chessur wrote:Kiryen O'Bannon wrote:Ripard Teg posted an anti-frigate Bellicose build on his blog this past week. Try that. (Jester's Trek is the blog.) Bellicose is a horrible ship. It was before the RLML nerf, and its even more **** now. Best anti-frig cruiser is the Nomen, Nosprey, Scythe Fleet. Bellicose is basically just a watered down of the last two. All faction cruisers..... Not a level comparison.
I am comparing ships that can easily kill light tackle. i don't care if they cost 60mil or 10mil for the hull. Its pennies, and I am looking for effectiveness. Touting that 'my ship costs less' to somehow explain how sub par the bellicose is- really doesn't cut it. |
Aivo Dresden
Red Federation
RvB - RED Federation
285
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Posted - 2014.03.09 16:56:00 -
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Straight up, I'd probably take a Sentinel.
A frigate with a utility high would probably work as well, as long as it can fit a neut in there. |
Fenris Orion
Rapid Withdrawal
3
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Posted - 2014.03.09 18:56:00 -
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http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/killmail.php?id=22133033
^^^ That's an AB blaster Atron fit worth 8mil. Most Inty pilots are smart/dumb enough to manually fly everything, and the above victim is no slouch.
In the OP's position, I'd try my dual-prop Enyo against them. Pre-heat the scram, work on slingshotting them one at a time. Anything foolish enough to get within 10km dies, and a SAAR Enyo could tank a handful of Inty's all day pulsing reps. One Enyo is worth about the same as one Cepter, so if you get 2 or 3 you're doing good. Exchange whichever AF you like, really, except Amarr. Wolf might actually be a better bet, given how much faster it is. |
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Reaver Glitterstim
Dromedaworks inc
Test Alliance Please Ignore
1012
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Posted - 2014.03.09 19:30:00 -
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Chessur wrote:Kiryen O'Bannon wrote:Ripard Teg posted an anti-frigate Bellicose build on his blog this past week. Try that. (Jester's Trek is the blog.) Bellicose is a horrible ship. It was before the RLML nerf, and its even more **** now. Best anti-frig cruiser is the Nomen, Nosprey, Scythe Fleet. Bellicose is basically just a watered down of the last two. There is no need to post an anti-interceptor Bellicose fit. If one does not know how to fit a Bellicose to r+ópe interceptors, one needs to review either basic fitting tactics or use of target painters.
Fit a warfare link to your tech 1 battlecruiser. Train Wing Commander. Get in the Squad Commander or Wing Commander position. Your fleets will be superior to everyone else's. (had this sig BEFORE Odyssey BC rebalance)
And bring back the missile Inquisitor!! |
LUMINOUS SPIRIT
The Dark Space Initiative
Scary Wormhole People
147
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Posted - 2014.03.09 19:45:00 -
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Inty-gang counters:
Cynnabal
Vagabond
Caracal with RLML
Cerberus with RLML
Arazu / Lachesis with damps and scram
Nano deimos (2000 m/s+)
Ishtar, any configuration
Rapier / huginn, any configuration
Battleships with heavy neut, drones, and micro jump drive
Basically anything that can track intys, has web/scram, and can go fast to string intys, or projects neuts |
Reaver Glitterstim
Dromedaworks inc
Test Alliance Please Ignore
1012
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Posted - 2014.03.09 19:52:00 -
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LUMINOUS SPIRIT wrote:Inty-gang counters:
Cynnabal
Vagabond
Caracal with RLML
Cerberus with RLML
Arazu / Lachesis with damps and scram
Nano deimos (2000 m/s+)
Ishtar, any configuration
Rapier / huginn, any configuration
Battleships with heavy neut, drones, and micro jump drive
Basically anything that can track intys, has web/scram, and can go fast to string intys, or projects neuts
That's it, you've won this thread. Everyone go home now.
Fit a warfare link to your tech 1 battlecruiser. Train Wing Commander. Get in the Squad Commander or Wing Commander position. Your fleets will be superior to everyone else's. (had this sig BEFORE Odyssey BC rebalance)
And bring back the missile Inquisitor!! |
Bloodmyst Ranwar
War Toys Inc
30
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Posted - 2014.03.10 02:39:00 -
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There are many ships that can engage Interceptor gangs and be quiet successful. IMO, it has got more to do with how you engage these gangs, not so much about what ship you have.
For example, inties generally have lackluster DPS and a weak tank (I sear many people forget this), you can use this to your advantage through how aggression mechanics work. Split their fleet up each side of the gate and use warrior II's to start popping away. After you pop a couple and the rest of their gang jumps into system, pull you drones, deagress and wait out the timer and jump through to system... rinse and repeat...
Obviously, remember to primary the inties who have a "scram" on you, not a "point."
This is obviously from the point of view if your flying Cruiser ships and above, because generally you possess the tank to do this. However, in the Frigate hulls I personally use the Jaguar and Firetail whenever I go intie hunting. These two hulls are still quite fast, and you can easily slingshot your way into or out of any situations with inties. |
WaterMarks
24th Imperial Crusade
Amarr Empire
2
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Posted - 2014.03.10 07:10:00 -
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tracking disruptors rmove there range completely
-Fly Reckless- |
Odithia
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
34
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Posted - 2014.03.10 07:57:00 -
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WaterMarks wrote:tracking disruptors rmove there range completely
Specialy effective against Crow! |
Kiryen O'Bannon
Thrall Nation
Brave Collective
67
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Posted - 2014.03.10 13:08:00 -
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Chessur wrote:Kiryen O'Bannon wrote:Chessur wrote:Kiryen O'Bannon wrote:Ripard Teg posted an anti-frigate Bellicose build on his blog this past week. Try that. (Jester's Trek is the blog.) Bellicose is a horrible ship. It was before the RLML nerf, and its even more **** now. Best anti-frig cruiser is the Nomen, Nosprey, Scythe Fleet. Bellicose is basically just a watered down of the last two. All faction cruisers..... Not a level comparison. I am comparing ships that can easily kill light tackle. i don't care if they cost 60mil or 10mil for the hull. Its pennies, and I am looking for effectiveness. Touting that 'my ship costs less' to somehow explain how sub par the bellicose is- really doesn't cut it.
Unfortunately for you, cost matters when considering what ship to use. Obviously navy faction ships are better. If one cant afford 60 million for a dedicated anticeptor cruiser, they will want a suitable standard hull for the job. As to the Bellicose being bad or sub par..no. The unfortunate fact is that too many people do not understamd signature radius. |
Reaver Glitterstim
Dromedaworks inc
Test Alliance Please Ignore
1017
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Posted - 2014.03.10 16:21:00 -
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I told CCP in a dream to make the new Bellicose.
But seriously, when they were talking about rebalancing cruisers I was like "mix medium missiles with target painters!!" Well actually my idea was to do it with the Vigil. I was thinking kind of a light bomber, target painters plus 2 medium launchers. Would have been badass. I'm okay with CCPs Vigil though.
Fit a warfare link to your tech 1 battlecruiser. Train Wing Commander. Get in the Squad Commander or Wing Commander position. Your fleets will be superior to everyone else's. (had this sig BEFORE Odyssey BC rebalance)
And bring back the missile Inquisitor!! |
Caitlyn Tufy
Bene Gesserit ChapterHouse
Sanctuary Pact
595
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Posted - 2014.03.11 08:18:00 -
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There are creative fits for quite a few ships that can give Inties a run for their money, just don't expect those fits to work against everything - then again, nothing ever does. Still, a 4 billion Tengu with a Loki booster and implants worth billions might be a bit of an overkill :p |
Chessur
Amarrian Nublet
Team Amarrica
310
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Posted - 2014.03.11 10:48:00 -
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Kiryen O'Bannon wrote:Chessur wrote:Kiryen O'Bannon wrote:Chessur wrote:Kiryen O'Bannon wrote:Ripard Teg posted an anti-frigate Bellicose build on his blog this past week. Try that. (Jester's Trek is the blog.) Bellicose is a horrible ship. It was before the RLML nerf, and its even more **** now. Best anti-frig cruiser is the Nomen, Nosprey, Scythe Fleet. Bellicose is basically just a watered down of the last two. All faction cruisers..... Not a level comparison. I am comparing ships that can easily kill light tackle. i don't care if they cost 60mil or 10mil for the hull. Its pennies, and I am looking for effectiveness. Touting that 'my ship costs less' to somehow explain how sub par the bellicose is- really doesn't cut it. Unfortunately for you, cost matters when considering what ship to use. Obviously navy faction ships are better. If one cant afford 60 million for a dedicated anticeptor cruiser, they will want a suitable standard hull for the job. As to the Bellicose being bad or sub par..no. The unfortunate fact is that too many people do not understamd signature radius.
If we are seriously splitting hairs over 60mil hulls... heheeh had no idea that people were still that poor. Even if that is the case- caracal would still be a better hull than the bellicose. Caracal has more DPS, and most importantly more projection than the bellicose. The velocity bonus on the hull allows for a somewhat easier use of precision missiles, which actually can apply a scary amount of DPS to frigs (Provided you can hit them with your 35K ish range. Sadly the bellicose has no such bonus, and is stuck with a useless TP bonus against intys.
The current missile algorithm, in regards to intys leads to webs being FAR more effective, than trying to use a target painter to boost their already small sig. Intys are just moving so fast, that using CN light missiles are just not going to cut it most of the time. Sadly, the bellicose is even more crippled than the caracal when you switch to precision lights, because with out that range bonus you are basically hoping for the intys to ram you.
A 3 BCS light missile bellicose does a whopping 90 DPS with precision missiles. Compared to the caracal which is doing close to 150. Please stop talking out of your depth, and go back to blobbing **** barle. |
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