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j0sephine
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Posted - 2006.03.02 19:05:00 -
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"If you never meant to kill them in the first place why place empty threats to begin with?"
You answer your own question, here. If threats were made, then the intention is most likely to follow through as long as situation doesn't change. That at the moment one finds right, though -- there's plenty of time between "now" and "never", to operate in.
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TWD
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Posted - 2006.03.02 19:07:00 -
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 Originally by: Vitoris
Edited by: Vitoris on 02/03/2006 19:02:40
Well thats the whole point Im trying to make.
Its hard for SA to attack you when you have sent all your minions to attack them. But even if SA die it will be the minions who deal the finishing blow not BoB.
If you wanted SA to attack you you would call off your grunts and let SA and BOB duke it out.
Again, you lack knowledge.
SA has not much to defend. They have no conquerable stations.
They can, if they want, attack another group in outside Stain without being in a weak position. (when ignoring logistics / pvp ability)
Why has BoB not yet launched a major offensive against SA? Priorities.
We have not backed down from the statement Molle has made and it will remain in our plans. We have not mentioned any timescale, so what IS your issue actually? |
Vitoris
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Posted - 2006.03.02 19:08:00 -
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So when you placed the threats you meant to carry them out but you dont mean to carry them out now?
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Romulus Maximus
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Posted - 2006.03.02 19:10:00 -
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Originally by: Vitoris
Edited by: Vitoris on 02/03/2006 19:02:40
Well thats the whole point Im trying to make.
Its hard for SA to attack you when you have sent all your minions to attack them. But even if SA die it will be the minions who deal the finishing blow not BoB.
If you wanted SA to attack you you would call off your grunts and let SA and BOB duke it out.
nullIts hard for SA to attack you when you have sent all your minions to attack them.
So in one post, u say were oding nothing.
Then in another u say SA have thier hands full defending thier homes from us?
Current RKK Ranking: (AMM11) Rear Admiral
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Vitoris
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Posted - 2006.03.02 19:10:00 -
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Yeah TWD I agree that its easier for SA because of NPC stations. But still its a logistical nightmare moving your ships and equipment to a staging point throught what is completly hostile space to SA.
It just looks like you are burying them underneath tons of enemies so they cant attack you and you are "waiting" for a right time to attack them.
Have I got the last part right?
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DB Preacher
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Posted - 2006.03.02 19:10:00 -
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Originally by: Vitoris
So when you placed the threats you meant to carry them out but you dont mean to carry them out now?
OMG
THE PEBBLE HAS DROPPED!
LOOK AT THE SLOW COGS TURNING!
congrats you have just graduated from not having a clue to maybe having the slightest glimmer of a clue.
Congrats.
dbp
Current RKK Ranking: (PSCAL6) Proficient Short Tanto
Drop by and say hi in Reikoku Forums.
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Vitoris
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Posted - 2006.03.02 19:12:00 -
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When I said minions I didnt mean BoB I meant the other alliances attacking SA.
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Vitoris
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Posted - 2006.03.02 19:14:00 -
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Originally by: DB Preacher
Originally by: Vitoris
So when you placed the threats you meant to carry them out but you dont mean to carry them out now?
OMG
THE PEBBLE HAS DROPPED!
LOOK AT THE SLOW COGS TURNING!
congrats you have just graduated from not having a clue to maybe having the slightest glimmer of a clue.
Congrats.
dbp
So you place threats whenever you want and you may or may not carry them out?
How can people take you seriously? A respectable alliance puts its actions where its mouth is. If you make threats you have no plans of making true in the future they will fall on deaf ears or be laughed at.
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Blacklight
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Posted - 2006.03.02 19:14:00 -
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Originally by: Vitoris
Edited by: Vitoris on 02/03/2006 18:57:18
I understand Romulus that it might not be fun to fight SA.
But after all the forum chest beating and declaring the impending doom of SA it seems like you guys are backpedalling. Well it seems that way to me at least.
If you never meant to kill them in the first place why place empty threats to begin with?
It began with "You will be wiped out" to end with "We have better things to do".
I dont know but if you make a threat carry it out because if you dont it makes you look weak. BoB control half of the south through your image of tough fighters that back down to nobody. But this will look as though you are scared of SA and are backing out.
How long will it go before another alliance stands up and confronts you after seeing SA do it? You should make an example out of SA by crushing them. If you dont the seeds of discord will be planted and you might have a bigger problem than just SA standing up to you.
You have absolutely no idea what it takes or how long it takes to cause serious damage or destruction to an alliance do you?
It speaks volumes about both our previous achievements and people's expectations that just two or three weeks after SA kicked off against us anyone should expect us to have them dead already. For goodness sake give SA some credit, they fought CA for the duration of about five ice ages and are still here yet you expect us to be done with their current incarnation inside a couple of weeks?
You also clearly have no comprehension of all the other activities an alliance like ours has on the go at any given time including looking after four regions whilst hostile to FA/VC/Imp/NORAD/FA/FE/G/IRON/RAZOR/PA/NBSI/associated others. Even if half of the aforementioned enemies are a shadow of their former selves and the other half are at the opposite ends of Eve they all still require some form of attention from time to time. This is evidenced by the fact that as also stated elsewhere on this forum (for the observant who would not have to post such retarded threads to get answers unless they are merely out to stir the pot) we just spent a week removing all of VC and FA's pos's from Fountain at huge cost to them and much hilarity to ourselves. No sign of the weakness you are implying there I am afraid and we were not going to change our plans in that direction just because of a war dec from SA.
We have also repeatedly stated that we were topping up the capital ship fleets and that we had not and were not going to immediately move on SA because of that. Reading comprehension and research for the win. No wonder you're getting flamed for being a trolling alt when you start a thread asking questions that have been answered half a dozen times a day for the past two weeks.
We will do what we need to do against SA, we will do it with our usual effectiveness and we will answer any and all of our critics but we will, as always, do it in our own time and at our convenience not at SA's, not at yours and not at any of the other flaming alts.
In time both SA and BoB will have the opportunity to test each others true metal and then those of us involved will know each other's quality, determination and skill. Until such time idle speculation and forum trolling is utterly pointless.
There, you have your answer. Now you can prove me right, argue the toss and dispute the facts to cause more flaming.
Eve Blacklight Style
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wierchas noobhunter
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Posted - 2006.03.02 19:15:00 -
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Originally by: Vitoris
When I said minions I didnt mean BoB I meant the other alliances attacking SA.
hem and i was thinking that SA is atacking everyone
lame me
join soar angelic
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Razzil
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Posted - 2006.03.02 19:21:00 -
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Hey Masieee, get your a** to LGK mate, I need a new Masieee corpse. The old one is getting battered.
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dantes inferno
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Posted - 2006.03.02 19:23:00 -
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Edited by: dantes inferno on 02/03/2006 19:24:29
Quote:
In time both SA and BoB will have the opportunity to test each others true metal and then those of us involved will know each other's quality, determination and skill. Until such time idle speculation and forum trolling is utterly pointless.
that is probably the most sensible thing ive read in this thread...the one thing im dreading about this war is the countles alt threads claiming sa is dead or bob are dead..why dont people just wait until the war is fought before discussing it..otherwise it just a waste of time
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hem and i was thinking that SA is atacking everyone lame me
nope we just wanted to finnish what fix started...just means we have a few added extras in the mix now.
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This is a Stain Alliance Fighter. It is protecting the assets of Stain Alliance, and may attack anyone it perceives as a threat, Threat Level: Trigglarist Fundermentalist |
wierchas noobhunter
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Posted - 2006.03.02 19:24:00 -
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Originally by: dantes inferno
Quote:
In time both SA and BoB will have the opportunity to test each others true metal and then those of us involved will know each other's quality, determination and skill. Until such time idle speculation and forum trolling is utterly pointless.
that is probably the most sensible thing ive read in this thread...the one thing im dreading about this war is the countles alt threads claiming sa is dead or bob are dead..why dont people just wait until the war is fought before discussing it..otherwise it just a waste of time
dude its forums war 
join soar angelic
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Vitoris
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Posted - 2006.03.02 19:24:00 -
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Thank you for the well thought out reply Blacklight.
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IcedBach Jr
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Posted - 2006.03.02 19:37:00 -
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SA members are asked to look at header on our forumz before deciding to post.
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Adam Weishaupt
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Posted - 2006.03.02 20:05:00 -
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Originally by: Vitoris
I want to know because Im curios by nature.
These forums are meant as a discussion forum for corporations and alliances. This war affects a lot of people and since BOB are one of the premier alliances of EVE that affect alot of people naturally people will be curios about its actions.
People are wondering if BoB is what it used to be. Has the change from nomadic lifestyle to an alliance with space to defend made your alliance weaker?
Are you able to back up your threats on the forums with ingame action?
Because at the moment it seems to me that you are living on past glories and that affects everyone in the EVE galaxy because it will cause a power vacuume.
Because of this it might not be wise to declare alliances dead if you cant back it up with ingame action. It makes you look weak and if there is a weak spot in your armor these kind of actions just make it look all the bigger to all your enemys. And we all know you have a lot of those.
It's a common rhetorical ploy to say "People are wondering..." instead of "I am wondering..." Say what you mean, don't appoint yourself spokesman for everyone else. Who cares if BOB hasn't attacked SA? Not me. SA aren't a serious threat to BOB; BOB can bide their time. That's strategy, and it's one they've clearly elaborated and presented repeatedly. If you really think they're bluffing, invade Delve and call them on it.
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Harry Ramo
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Posted - 2006.03.02 20:14:00 -
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LOL how much can you be doing in eve guys, all this babbel must take some of your away from wife-time. mad ****e if you ask my, books wher never my thing,
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Vitoris
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Posted - 2006.03.02 20:14:00 -
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Just because you are not wondering does not mean no one else is.
To adress your second point. I dont think BoB are incapable of defending their region. I only think that they cant make true their threats on their own.
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ProphetGuru
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Posted - 2006.03.02 20:36:00 -
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from me to you Trigger... 
You think Stain alliance powerful?! No! There just never was BoB corp!
We will kill each from Stain alliance. We will destroy you all completely, Will kill each transport in system with any status of safety. We will kill each miners. We will destroy all your battleships. We will press all your cruiser. And for you begin Third Genesis!
You may avoid this, having paid 100 000 megacyte and 100 000 zydrine. The MASS Corporation must pay fine to us . I do not know as you will get such amounts of minerals, but I certain for powerful Stain alliance this is trifle.
If anyone will give me list all corporations falling into alliance. I will is much thanked.
PS If you are new to Eve careful how you respond to this, or you will end up looking foolish. Promise.
Evolution..... Just when you thought you were winning.
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dalman
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Posted - 2006.03.02 20:44:00 -
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Edited by: dalman on 02/03/2006 21:01:39
Edited by: dalman on 02/03/2006 20:54:46
*edited*
nvm. I shouldn't spoil the fun
Good one PG
**edit2**
Meh.
Now File ruined the fun in someone flaming that post  
Am I forced to have any regret?
I've become the lie, beautiful and free
In my righteous own mind
I adore and preach the insanity you gave to me |
FileCop AI
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Posted - 2006.03.02 20:56:00 -
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OMG ProphetGuru
That was classic. Thank you very much for bringing that up ;)
For those of us who were there then. Oh those were the good times. And boy did we have some good fights with Ron1n.
And damn, I remember the day I was part of killing Ron1ns apoc in G-ME2K. Like the biggest kill in SA history then ;)
And all the things that happened in those fights which changed eve. Anyone remember a time without agression? Or jumpin points with lag caused by drones and mines?
Ah, the good old days.
FileCop AI of MASS |
Faith Black
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Posted - 2006.03.02 21:01:00 -
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Edited by: Faith Black on 02/03/2006 21:07:37
I believe in a diplomatic solution, maybe after some fighting.
And I don't believe that BoB waits maybe five months and then starts a total war to crush SA. Then they've almost forgotten, why they are fighting or SA leadership might have changed or follows a different politics.
And I only believe in a dead alliance, when I see that it's dying e.g. many corps leaving the alliance, the alliance unable to do anything except some guerilla warfare with a few people etc.
SA like 5, BoB, G, -V-, RED etc. are so big and experienced that you never know how a war against them ends.
Look at RED. They are under heavy pressure for a long time now by multiple alliances like -V,-LV-,CHIMP,KOS, but are they already dead ? No. (...and still has non-npc regions like Cache. )
SA and 5 were said to be dead, if I remember it right also by F-E, but they aren't, now they fight together.
Anyone an idea how it ends with e.g. 5 and friends v.s G/IRON/RAZOR in the north ? I have no idea. I also believe in a diplomatic solution and peace there in a few months, although it sounds boring ... ok, I stop, just had to post, because I'm bored and the server is down. 
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Scalor Valentis
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Posted - 2006.03.02 22:08:00 -
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The fun starts when BoB park they carriers in your NPC station systems...
and camp them 23/7.
BoB has done that before, anoy them more, they will do that agian.
Lets see how your "omg fighters followed me to SS" expression looks
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fire 59
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Posted - 2006.03.02 22:13:00 -
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Vitoris, your a wally mate, did they shoot you up somewhere, why the whining and nonsical crap that only you seem to believe.
Peolpe who go around stating 'facts' that are actually there opinions should really do there homework mre because they look silly, points at OP
Eat my hybid *****-dog, my views are my own and do not reflect my corp or the alliance |
thebold
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Posted - 2006.03.02 22:17:00 -
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You will try hard to embarrass and slag SA dead but SA will rise once again to become the powerhouse in the south of EVE not BOB whether it takes 1 or 2 years it will happen and all those that follow the path of betrayal will eventually get what they deserve because we are not going anywhere there is nothing for us elsewhere in eve its corps are rooted to stain they fight to play eve.
You probably will bring it eventually but how long until you get bored and I wonder how much embarrassment could you take? Your reputation is on the line if you can not kill us within a week. The initial assault from 3 alliances will be harsh but at the end BOB several months down the lineà It will be only you and SA and I am having my doubts your going to last. And when Fountain fills with pirates and same with Outer ring, pirates will slip past FIXÆs net and slowly but surly your enemies will turn there plans against you. And we did absolutely nothing about it because We are South We are Loyal and True we will not stand for a traitorous un-loyal dictatorship that thinks he can control what he wants because he has 100 player blob of PVPÆers.
Hundreds of fighters that take what they have for granted is a false illusion to success.
This move has placed G and IRON now as the guaranteed number 1 position in EVE you probably havenÆt seen it yet but there probably stronger than us, FIX does not have anywhere near the capability to engage G or IRON
Your actions has placed the south into a very negative position but we will not be smacked down when we were down twice by FIX and have to pickup our pitch forks and go looking to kill them.
The war is already on now to not become G and IRONÆs slaves in the near future. That super power continues to grow. They were strong before but they are stronger nowà G stand for Dedication, Discipline, A United Core Group of playersà
SA could not effectively engage G before as I am the last FC for SA from the old days that plays anymore life for me in SA is difficult I canÆt fight everyone everywhere so I only go where it matters. G/IRON/Razor will be the next super tyrant in EVE they are not short on FCÆs nor Fire power nor ISK like you BOB they are starting to accelerate past you and you now at war with us has ensured that they will in-fact go far beyond you.
This is also why we struggled so hard to kill G and Iron and Razor etc etc from the southà We hoped BOB would capture Cloud Ringà But it seemed a little too much bother for you so instead you took IRONs station...
If you was to of spent a few months in a POS war it would of hurt G allot more from getting out of 1 POS war into another is very hard goingà. Returning to there home with no station to dock no pos to setup or you would of killed ità
G know how to bring it as well but they donÆt smack all over the forums about it, And attempting to deny us a FIX kill to benefit your continuing laziness that has been seen from the time line above is just a definition of pathetic. Yes you have fought many wars, Yes youÆve won many fights and won allot of land beat many enemies but this was all in the past and not a accurate reflection of your current position now.
Even when we have been friends for so long I feel we have been abused or mistrusted like a young brother who wants his older brother to buy him sweets when the younger brother wanted to buy the sweets with his own moneyà.
Now will BOB be napping with G out of some form of mutual respect? And then continue to accuse of turning on the south? :D who knows but thatÆs how eve is.
I wanted to make my point concise but I guess allot
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thebold
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Posted - 2006.03.02 22:17:00 -
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In light of some peoples comments on a personal level and a forum level that SA is to actually betray the south I would like to say (from my POV not Alliance comments) the followingà.
It is the in visioning of a SA member that BOB has used SA like a dog that was once let of the leash and now his masters have lost control of that dog and need to put it down but the dog knows whatÆs happening and fights for its life so they bring in more men with guns to help kill it.
BOB can not take SA alone and nor could SA take BOB alone it would be a long dragged our war.
SAÆs Cowboy diplomacy is what makes the game fun but when our word is given that we wouldnÆt dare do something to someone then thatÆs our honour. We respect those that fight us because we want good fights like everyone and not always cloak and dagger or killing of the alliance care bear.
One way or another we will finally get to FIX that have always hidden behind BOBÆs Shadow every time the going got tough, Were we being tested like some form of Lab rat.. an intergalactic experiment if you will?
If it is seen in this light we were an experiment that has gone wrong.
We were tested before and tested again. We passed A+ both times.
To quote Numerous SA CEOs ôMy corp will fight for Stain with every last piece of ISK in my walletö What more honour and loyalty could you ask from someone?
It is again a great feeling to stand in this old alliance and be feared by one of EVEs biggest PVP entities. You see us as a real threat to your existence now, if you denied this the evidence and support of the traitorous alliances in the south are living proof of your forum lie.
Trigger instigated the Southern Union not BOB despite what political spin or forum post you label on it. It is in fact you who have turned his back on the South. We remain loyal we will have no part with any Northern Entity and only waged war on FIX as they turned on the South at a time of great need and hindered our efforts of killing G to try and Save ASCN whilst you BOB lot sat on your NOL station and went LALALA look at us were so great, when we were fighting a loosing war.
G brought it South and I held that field with Oberon for as long as I could whilst you lot refused to help. I did it to stop the danger from getting close to ASCN and Threatening the South. STC Corp supported from Paragon but it simply was not enough that SA fight 3 Huge Centralized alliances that were bent purely on destruction, we had not the ISK or man power.
Whilst IÆm busying in chat channels trying to save us all you continued to do nothing. O well you bought a 40 man blip up for a 1 nighter that was your definition of help? And even when G went to ASCN I followed with my corp and stayed near by ASCN assisting in hindering whatever G IRON Razor NBSI who the hell else from the north was down here, whilst SA took the garbage out in the north.
We simply would not allow a northern entity to live in the south. That is why we ripped our hair out over G. Do not lecture us on South and Turning our back on it, Understand the facts before you even hit the reply button.
G and IRON did more damage to SA than any other alliance probably could but G and co Helped us because we have lost our miner stations now which we have never needed to fight.
SAÆs Loyalty is with the South. I honestly think youÆre a puppet master now that controls who he wants and says æhey you, you cant actually do thatÆ This is where you are wrong to dictate in a clever way. The false illusions of your threat are the only thing saving your alliance from total destruction. If you entered a POS war I know for a fact several months down the line you would founder. ISK is not the base for good war and fights only dedication is the means to an end in EVE.
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DB Preacher
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Posted - 2006.03.02 22:29:00 -
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rofl
Haven't had that much of a laugh at a post since Cheface used to post.
Thanks for lightening up my day TheBold.
dbp
Current RKK Ranking: (PSCAL6) Proficient Short Tanto
Drop by and say hi in Reikoku Forums.
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AvanCade
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Posted - 2006.03.02 22:31:00 -
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Edited by: AvanCade on 02/03/2006 22:35:25
Originally by: thebold
Edited by: thebold on 02/03/2006 22:18:10
Too much rabble...
Why don't you try the POS war with G, ain't got the balls or fleet? What we did up north has been explained on several posts, what we should do or shouldn't have done, its your personal view, none concerns BoB. We do what we like, when we like and how we like, you have a problem...well tough. See in space.
And btw to your you **** post
"Trigger instigated the Southern Union not BOB despite what political spin or forum post you label on it. It is in fact you who have turned his back on the South. We remain loyal we will have no part with any Northern Entity and only waged war on FIX as they turned on the South at a time of great need and hindered our efforts of killing G to try and Save ASCN whilst you BOB lot sat on your NOL station and went LALALA look at us were so great, when we were fighting a loosing war.
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I remember when we came to your aid cos i was there fighting and loosing a ship for your alliance. You shall swallow your own words soon enough. 
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thebold
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Posted - 2006.03.02 22:37:00 -
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Your efforts against G are the same as your efforts against SA
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Rexthor Hammerfists
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Posted - 2006.03.02 22:37:00 -
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Edited by: Rexthor Hammerfists on 02/03/2006 22:37:09
The (bold) Bold: ("a well placed joke works wonders")
"G/IRON/Razor will be the next super tyrant in EVE they are not short on FCÆs nor Fire power nor ISK like you BOB they are starting to accelerate past you and you now at war with us has ensured that they will in-fact go far beyond you."
so - the reason bob isnt all over u is exactly to prevent what u described above.
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Purple Conquered The World, We the Universe.
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