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Samael Pserad Brave Newbies Inc. Brave Collective 0	Posted - 2013.12.04 02:39:00 - [1] - Quote I'm done with this game. I've already transferred several billions in assets to another member of BNI who was just about the only tolerable person I've met on this game so we can skip the "can I has your stuffs" replies. People love to announce they're leaving Eve, and I'm happy to join the club. The skill training queue in this game is about the most foolish implantation I've seen in an MMO. To achieve reasonable revenge against those who repeatedly gank you, you just have to hold off for a year until you have the skills to fly a ship of moderate caliber against those who go after you. I finally realized that waiting a year was not worth it. I don't mind PvP games, I've enjoyed them when they're about skill or done in a balanced environment. Eve provides the opposite of a balanced environment and one gets sick of never being able to punish people who agress you for no reason. I also don't really consider ganking my industrial as I put through low-sec or what not as "PvP" so much as "Pv." I figured no big deal, I would train blockade runner. Then I realized I had to spend a month training that and that's a month I can't dedicate to combat skills or anything else. That's right, I have to give CCP $20 and wait a whole month just to make my character capable of running away. It's a very creative business model, honestly. You prey simply on the hope that things will get better and one day, two years later, for doing nothing at all but paying CCP $15-$20 a month, you too can be effective in PvP which most companies work to ensure is plausible for players in the first place. Oh well, I don't really have anything constructive to say. I was playing X3 Albion and I realized I was having fun playing a game... And then I remembered that I used to think playing MMO's was also fun, until I started playing Eve, and then I was just playing because I wanted to make the jerks who make the game so frustrating to play pay. However, after careful consideration, I realized that, not only is it really not worth waiting around for a year for, it's also a huge waste of real life money that I could be spending on MMO's that don't suck by being unwilling to reward active playing of the game. At least I can take solace in the fact that CCP called you all evil when they named the Eve Gate after, well, Eve. I tend to agree with them - I've never played a game that really brought out the worst in people in a video gaming environment.
Darth Peaches Imperial Academy Amarr Empire 36	Posted - 2013.12.04 02:42:00 - [2] - Quote Can I have ur stuff?
Jim Era 7693	Posted - 2013.12.04 02:45:00 - [3] - Quote HTFU Also, eve isn't for everyone. Maybe we enjoy being evil?
Samael Pserad Brave Newbies Inc. Brave Collective 0	Posted - 2013.12.04 02:49:00 - [4] - Quote Darth Peaches wrote: Can I have ur stuff? You're somewhat illiterate aren't you?
Samael Pserad Brave Newbies Inc. Brave Collective 0	Posted - 2013.12.04 02:51:00 - [5] - Quote Jim Era wrote: HTFU Also, eve isn't for everyone. Maybe we enjoy being evil? Yes, that is very apparent. And somewhere in the background the giant empires of game companies like Blizzard stand back and laugh at CCP like a Goonswarm Titan Pilot laughs at the battle venture trying to gank it.
Abrazzar Vardaugas Family 2306	Posted - 2013.12.04 02:53:00 - [6] - Quote Wait. You managed to get several billion of assets but didn't get over the training times? You know, with that amount of ISK you could have just bought yourself a PvP character on the Bazaar! Sovereignty and Population New Mining Mechanics
Jim Era 7693	Posted - 2013.12.04 02:54:00 - [7] - Quote OHH I get it now posting in a revealed "Grr Goons" thread
Jill Chastot Oath of the Forsaken Ragnarok. 11	Posted - 2013.12.04 02:55:00 - [8] - Quote Abrazzar wrote: Wait. You managed to get several billion of assets but didn't get over the training times? You know, with that amount of ISK you could have just bought yourself a PvP character on the Bazaar! i suspect plex
Darth Peaches Imperial Academy Amarr Empire 37	Posted - 2013.12.04 02:56:00 - [9] - Quote Samael Pserad wrote: Darth Peaches wrote: Can I have ur stuff? You're somewhat illiterate aren't you? Actually 100% illiterate, in fact I have no idea what I am typing right now. It is quite the statistical oddity that my random button mashing can in fact lead to some coherent ajkehancakeafjdkfnwe adjfwoancn;e. aoefhandceia. foehcafel,asdmf.
Lady Areola Fappington New Order Logistics CODE. 928	Posted - 2013.12.04 02:56:00 - [10] - Quote Gotta ask, what ship were you wanting to fly that takes a whole year of skilling for? My go-to ship for PeeVeePee is typically Hurricane. Sometimes I'll throw down in a Scythe for frig fun roams. Neither took over a year to skill into. I thinks, this complaint is less a "skillpoints" issue and more a "skill" issue. Anyway, best of luck finding a game you fit better. The risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built and we want to keep that (infact, this is much more representative of the consensus opinion within CCP).
Samael Pserad Brave Newbies Inc. Brave Collective 0	Posted - 2013.12.04 02:56:00 - [11] - Quote Abrazzar wrote: Wait. You managed to get several billion of assets but didn't get over the training times? You know, with that amount of ISK you could have just bought yourself a PvP character on the Bazaar! Meh... I don't like how you people design characters. They all look like **** supersoldier Silvester Stallone wannabes.
Samael Pserad Brave Newbies Inc. Brave Collective 0	Posted - 2013.12.04 02:58:00 - [12] - Quote Lady Areola Fappington wrote: Gotta ask, what ship were you wanting to fly that takes a whole year of skilling for? My go-to ship for PeeVeePee is typically Hurricane. Sometimes I'll throw down in a Scythe for frig fun roams. Neither took over a year to skill into. I thinks, this complaint is less a "skillpoints" issue and more a "skill" issue. Anyway, best of luck finding a game you fit better. You win the math fail of year award if you think 4 million SP has a chance against 20 million. But maybe you're just a complete dumb dumb.
Jim Era 7693	Posted - 2013.12.04 02:58:00 - [13] - Quote I was wrong, this is a troll thread. I want to look like Sly.
Rayo Atra Sky Fighters 13	Posted - 2013.12.04 03:00:00 - [14] - Quote Brave Newbies Inc Members5539 Seriously you cant get a group together to protect a hauler? I think your problem is you're doing it wrong. If you look at eve in a "skills/assets" to the rescue methodology you will always be on the defensive. I dont know what kind of weird sht you're into lady, but if you dont pee in the hippos how the hell do you know who serves first!? -á*
Samael Pserad Brave Newbies Inc. Brave Collective 0	Posted - 2013.12.04 03:01:00 - [15] - Quote Jim Era wrote: I was wrong, this is a troll thread. I want to look like Sly. There's little left to do but troll now. Honestly, I played the game for five months and met one person who was moderately friendly. 99% of people don't even respond if you try to message them or talk to them in local. This game sucks and its subscription numbers prove it.
Samael Pserad Brave Newbies Inc. Brave Collective 0	Posted - 2013.12.04 03:03:00 - [16] - Quote Rayo Atra wrote: Brave Newbies Inc Members5539 Seriously you cant get a group together to protect a hauler? I think your problem is you're doing it wrong. If you look at eve in a "skills/assets" to the rescue methodology you will always be on the defensive. Nah, I really expected the hauler to get ganked. But I'm the kind of person who, no matter how many skill points I have, I'm not going to gank that industrial going through low or null. Honestly, ask the corp, I gave away 5 billion ISK in assets - I'm not so much worried about the fact that my industrial got ganked in null (shocking) so much as I realized this game is a giant waste of time that isn't very fun. Enjoy yourself.
Lykouleon GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 1176	Posted - 2013.12.04 03:04:00 - [17] - Quote Bye-bye. PS: can i have your stuff? Lykouleon > CYNO ME CLOSER so I can hit them with my sword
Lady Areola Fappington New Order Logistics CODE. 928	Posted - 2013.12.04 03:04:00 - [18] - Quote Samael Pserad wrote: You win the math fail of year award if you think 4 million SP has a chance against 20 million. But maybe you're just a complete dumb dumb. I do. 20mil SP means jack-all when only 2 mil of those SP are relevant to the hulls/fittings at hand. It's OK though, I understand that, for some people, it's important to transfer a personal failure away from self. Kind of an immature coping mechanism, but whatevs. Have fun with your future gaming! The risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built and we want to keep that (infact, this is much more representative of the consensus opinion within CCP).
Samael Pserad Brave Newbies Inc. Brave Collective 0	Posted - 2013.12.04 03:05:00 - [19] - Quote Lykouleon wrote: Bye-bye. PS: can i have your stuff? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Literacy
Darth Peaches Imperial Academy Amarr Empire 37	Posted - 2013.12.04 03:06:00 - [20] - Quote Samael Pserad wrote: Jim Era wrote: I was wrong, this is a troll thread. I want to look like Sly. There's little left to do but troll now. Honestly, I played the game for five months and met one person who was moderately friendly. 99% of people don't even respond if you try to message them or talk to them in local. This game sucks and its subscription numbers prove it. EvE is a game of patience and finding out how to win even when you are the underdog. Obviously you lack such patience and determination. Now only if you could also manage to leave without making the 100,000,000th "I'm quitting" thread.
Rayo Atra Sky Fighters 13	Posted - 2013.12.04 03:10:00 - [21] - Quote seriously...flying solo and ill equipped on GD will only get you ganked. :] I dont know what kind of weird sht you're into lady, but if you dont pee in the hippos how the hell do you know who serves first!? -á*
Vardec Crom Paxton Industries Gentlemen's Agreement 6	Posted - 2013.12.04 03:16:00 - [22] - Quote 2/10 not enough angst
Ptraci 3 R Corporation Boarderline Cartel 1419	Posted - 2013.12.04 03:16:00 - [23] - Quote New Eden has cause to celebrate, there is one less whiner in her midst. Seriously, EVE is not for you. It rewards the patient. It rewards the persistent. It also requires, as you would have eventually found out, real world PvP skills as well as character skills. An experienced player in a noob character will beat an inexperienced player in a maxxed skill toon every time. It's not all about the skill queue. Still, players come, players go. Bye bye. Me, I'll stay.
Jenn aSide STK Scientific Initiative Mercenaries 3574	Posted - 2013.12.04 03:25:00 - [24] - Quote Lady Areola Fappington wrote: It's OK though, I understand that, for some people, it's important to transfer a personal failure away from self. Kind of an immature coping mechanism, but whatevs. Why do you keep summing up EVE Online's General Discussion forum in 2 sentences? Damn it! Quote: Have fun with your future gaming! Should read : "have fun being ticked off at whatver new game you blame for your own personal failures".
Lady Areola Fappington New Order Logistics CODE. 929	Posted - 2013.12.04 03:31:00 - [25] - Quote Jenn aSide wrote: Lady Areola Fappington wrote: It's OK though, I understand that, for some people, it's important to transfer a personal failure away from self. Kind of an immature coping mechanism, but whatevs. Why do you keep summing up EVE Online's General Discussion forum in 2 sentences? Damn it! Think of it like this...Ever arrest a guy red-handed who then spent the entire ride to the pokey blaming everyone but himself for getting busted? Same diff here, only EVE GD is more like the naked guy high on goofballs, standing in the middle of the playground, screaming about the Goonspiracy after copiously wetting himself. Ohh, and you get to clean the cruiser out afterwards. The risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built and we want to keep that (infact, this is much more representative of the consensus opinion within CCP).
La Nariz GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 1236	Posted - 2013.12.04 03:36:00 - [26] - Quote Samael Pserad wrote: You win the math fail of year award if you think 4 million SP has a chance against 20 million. But maybe you're just a complete dumb dumb. I'd encourage you to give it another try. 4 million focused SP can definitely beat 20 million SP. The hardest part in this game is figuring out what you what you like and what you want to do. Sure you won't be as flexible as someone who has 20 million SP but you can pick and choose what you like then do well in those areas. Eventually you end up being the 20 million SP guy. Another rut people fall in is "grass is greener" it won't be better after you train that skill and you need to once again figure out what you want to do. This post was loving crafted by a member of the Official GoonWaffe recruitment team.
Kaarous Aldurald ROC Academy The ROC 1783	Posted - 2013.12.04 03:42:00 - [27] - Quote Since when is anyone in Brave Newbies such an angst spewing carebear? I have a feeling we're being trolled, and if not, then BNI is richer for the loss. Not posting on my main, and loving it.-á Because free speech.-á
SurrenderMonkey Space Llama Industries 298	Posted - 2013.12.04 03:52:00 - [28] - Quote Samael Pserad wrote: Lady Areola Fappington wrote: Gotta ask, what ship were you wanting to fly that takes a whole year of skilling for? My go-to ship for PeeVeePee is typically Hurricane. Sometimes I'll throw down in a Scythe for frig fun roams. Neither took over a year to skill into. I thinks, this complaint is less a "skillpoints" issue and more a "skill" issue. Anyway, best of luck finding a game you fit better. You win the math fail of year award if you think 4 million SP has a chance against 20 million. But maybe you're just a complete dumb dumb. I have every confidence that if you were flying around with 20 million SPs and I were flying around with 4 million SPs, I could trivially curbstomp you any number of ways. The thing about having a lot of SP is that you only get to use a fraction of them at any given time.
Chopper Rollins Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic 335	Posted - 2013.12.04 03:55:00 - [29] - Quote OP has conflated NICE with GOOD. What's this nonsense about stuff you gave away mentioned just after claims that you would never gank a hauler? NICE is a false self presented to be pleasing. It's an infantile way of dealing with people. GOOD is genuine and consistent in the face of trials. That's why nice guys finish last. It's the insincerity that scares people off. I've met loads of lovely smart friendly and competent people in eve, you need to get out more. But i will accept any stuff contracted to me. Goggles. Making me look good. Making you look good.
Seven Koskanaiken Sons Of Saints Circle-Of-Two 536	Posted - 2013.12.04 03:56:00 - [30] - Quote Strategy/tactics beat skill points every time.

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