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Louis Robichaud
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
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Posted - 2013.12.04 13:43:00 -
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Ursula Thrace wrote:Samael Pserad wrote:People love to announce they're leaving Eve, and I'm happy to join the club. The skill training queue in this game is about the most foolish implantation I've seen in an MMO. To achieve reasonable revenge against those who repeatedly gank you, you just have to hold off for a year until you have the skills to fly a ship of moderate caliber against those who go after you. I finally realized that waiting a year was not worth it. I don't mind PvP games, I've enjoyed them when they're about skill or done in a balanced environment. Eve provides the opposite of a balanced environment and one gets sick of never being able to punish people who agress you for no reason. I also don't really consider ganking my industrial as I put through low-sec or what not as "PvP" so much as "Pv." I figured no big deal, I would train blockade runner. Then I realized I had to spend a month training that and that's a month I can't dedicate to combat skills or anything else. That's right, I have to give CCP $20 and wait a whole month just to make my character capable of running away. OP, i'm sorry you've decided to leave eve, but i think you've missed a key point of this game. if some group or individual ganks you, team up with other people and go after them. that's the point of a MMO - to work in groups. in doing this, you'll not only have back up for pvp, you'll learn more about the game and it's intricacies and in the process, meet some entertaining folks. as far as the whole "i'm a noob and can't compete" argument, it simply does not hold water. a brand new pilot can train skills that will make him/her viable in combat in a few days. this avatar is 4+ years old and i spend a lot of time flying frigates and tackling - because it's fun! i would urge you not to give up, but try and find a group to work with. you could always join us.
Hear hear!
I'm not going to insult you or try to provide some of the , ah, "tough love" others are doing but you need to realize a few things:
1: Eve is a *social* game. You are in BNI, a large group of PvP oriented casual players. It should have been *easy* finding other players to help you get revenge, or at least die trying! I'm a recruiter for RvB. This didn't happen because I'm some kind of amazing combat pilot (I'm decent, but that's it) but because of my attitude and social skills.
2: Attitude matters: you have to adjust your perspective. People will engage you in combat *just because they can* and that is OK! Don't take it personally, that's how the game is. I remember the first time I lost a ship to someone - an atron while I was bumbling around in lowsec. I had *tons* of time to get away (the guy was in a *raven* for crying out loud)... but I didn't, because I was new and I didn't know what I was doing. Boy was I mad! Now I look back at that and laugh!
Sure some players do it "for the tears" - but if you learn to not care so much, you can just shrug at losses and move on. You can also learn how to avoid many (never all!) of those losses. And no, you don't need to become a tear harverster yourself - I think this obsession with tears is silly personally, but oh well.
3: Why am I telling you this: because EVE is *amazing*. Sure the interface is a bit clunky, sure some of the players are jerks. But it's the deepest, most compelling game out there. There is nothing else like it. It takes a while to "get" it, but the rewards are great. |

KuroVolt
The Legion of Spoon Curatores Veritatis Alliance
1196
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Posted - 2013.12.04 13:56:00 -
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Confirming that OP will grow up to be a bitter lonely hermit. BoBwins Law: As a discussion/war between two large nullsec entities grows longer, the probability of one comparing the other to BoB aproaches near certainty. |

War Kitten
Panda McLegion xXPlease Pandemic Citizens Reloaded Alliance.Xx
4877
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Posted - 2013.12.04 14:16:00 -
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Congratulations on losing at Eve, and thank you for the public announcement.
Move along.
I find that without a good mob to provide one for them, most people would have no mentality at all. |

Lucia Severasse
TEC-NOLOGY Sorry We're In Your Space Eh
0
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Posted - 2013.12.04 14:21:00 -
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lol your all taking amongst yourselves he left like 4 pages ago  |

Kinis Deren
The Nyan Cat Pirates Disband.
214
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Posted - 2013.12.04 14:25:00 -
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OP, it is a shame your individual experience has been somewhat less than optimal for your enjoyment purposes. I actually liked seeing you, as lonely BNI representative, flying around NPC Delve - hence my friendly overture in local the other day.
I sometimes think that large corps/alliances tend to breed a false sense of security (I won't say entitlement, although I'm sure that also applies in certain cases) within the rank and file membership. I'd urge you, should you ever return, to consider a joining a small corp. Through necessity, being part of a smaller corp builds self reliance, strong membership bonds and true team working fleet skills. In such an environment, even the newest player can play a decisive role. Into PVP & looking for small gang focused, NPC Null corp? Check out The Nyan Cat Pirates!
Corp CEO looking for an easy going, none sov, PVP alliance? Join Disband. today! |

Good Apollo BS4
Pew Pew Scrubs The Silent One's
15
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Posted - 2013.12.04 14:45:00 -
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Lady Areola Fappington wrote:Jenn aSide wrote:Lady Areola Fappington wrote: It's OK though, I understand that, for some people, it's important to transfer a personal failure away from self. Kind of an immature coping mechanism, but whatevs.
Why do you keep summing up EVE Online's General Discussion forum in 2 sentences? Damn it! Think of it like this...Ever arrest a guy red-handed who then spent the entire ride to the pokey blaming everyone but himself for getting busted? Same diff here, only EVE GD is more like the naked guy high on goofballs, standing in the middle of the playground, screaming about the Goonspiracy after copiously wetting himself. Ohh, and you get to clean the NAVY COMET out afterwards.
Made one small change hopes you dont mind :)
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Bloody Slave
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
74
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Posted - 2013.12.04 15:04:00 -
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Hmmm...
1- Confirming that OP is right. I'm rage quitting EVE as well, I don't like to play with other people just because, errr... well, everyone here in this game (but Chribba) is not trustworthy;
2- Confirming that EVE is dying, slowly... err... I mean, it's dying since 2003, my bet on that time was 2 years and I have not started playing in the launch waiting for that to happen. As I was waiting a too much and was not happening I subscribed in 2006 to be eyewitness of its downfall. Whatever... I'm a very patient guy. I will wait more 20 years if I need; 
3- Confirming that having no brains cells to burn will make your experience playing this game not that enjoyable;
4- Confirming that I can't do anything with my other alts that have 2M SP or less, they are there just to give me a feeling that I can trust someone (see Nr 1 above);
5- Confirming that I will be playing Star Citizen, at least if I didn't fall for a scam there as well, happened to me in Jita once and I was skeptical in giving them my money upwards, whatever;
6- Confirming that Lotro is making a LOT of money and Turbine only changed to F2P just because they have a huge sum to give up to the community, same as the folks that give isk away in Jita; and
7- Confirming that I'm a moron. No, I'm not impersonating anyone else, keep that ban stick away, I'm quitting!

OMG 
Jeesh 
If your balls are hurt and bleeding don't sit in a pool full of piranhas (note to myself: don't complain in GD) |

Brendan Anneto
Dread Phoenix Society Fidelas Constans
8
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Posted - 2013.12.04 15:08:00 -
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Samael Pserad wrote:I'm done with this game. I've already transferred several billions in assets to another member of BNI who was just about the only tolerable person I've met on this game so we can skip the "can I has your stuffs" replies.
People love to announce they're leaving Eve, and I'm happy to join the club. The skill training queue in this game is about the most foolish implantation I've seen in an MMO. To achieve reasonable revenge against those who repeatedly gank you, you just have to hold off for a year until you have the skills to fly a ship of moderate caliber against those who go after you. I finally realized that waiting a year was not worth it. I don't mind PvP games, I've enjoyed them when they're about skill or done in a balanced environment. Eve provides the opposite of a balanced environment and one gets sick of never being able to punish people who agress you for no reason. I also don't really consider ganking my industrial as I put through low-sec or what not as "PvP" so much as "Pv." I figured no big deal, I would train blockade runner. Then I realized I had to spend a month training that and that's a month I can't dedicate to combat skills or anything else. That's right, I have to give CCP $20 and wait a whole month just to make my character capable of running away.
It's a very creative business model, honestly. You prey simply on the hope that things will get better and one day, two years later, for doing nothing at all but paying CCP $15-$20 a month, you too can be effective in PvP which most companies work to ensure is plausible for players in the first place.
Oh well, I don't really have anything constructive to say. I was playing X3 Albion and I realized I was having fun playing a game... And then I remembered that I used to think playing MMO's was also fun, until I started playing Eve, and then I was just playing because I wanted to make the jerks who make the game so frustrating to play pay. However, after careful consideration, I realized that, not only is it really not worth waiting around for a year for, it's also a huge waste of real life money that I could be spending on MMO's that don't suck by being unwilling to reward active playing of the game.
At least I can take solace in the fact that CCP called you all evil when they named the Eve Gate after, well, Eve. I tend to agree with them - I've never played a game that really brought out the worst in people in a video gaming environment.
The skills are set up the way to keeb nubs out of the game. Who wants 12 year old kids crying and running about. I have enough of that already working at a Pizza shop. I dont need that in my game.
Proverbs 1:26-27 |

Omega Tron
32
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Posted - 2013.12.04 15:15:00 -
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Well my my..... Another WOW player that can't handle a challenging MMO. My suggestion is don't let the door hit you in the ass as you leave.
BYE..... EVE Online is CCP's sand box. -áThe sand is owned by CCP. -áWe just get to pay them a monthly fee to throw the sand at each other. -áGet over your thoughts that you have some influence on what they will add or do for you. |

Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
12746
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Posted - 2013.12.04 15:18:00 -
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Samael Pserad wrote:Abrazzar wrote:Wait. You managed to get several billion of assets but didn't get over the training times? You know, with that amount of ISK you could have just bought yourself a PvP character on the Bazaar! Meh... I don't like how you people design characters. They all look like **** supersoldier Silvester Stallone wannabes.
Well, since you mention it...
1 Kings 12:11
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Brendan Anneto
Dread Phoenix Society Fidelas Constans
8
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Posted - 2013.12.04 15:21:00 -
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O And i forgot to ask: " Can I has your stuff " ?
Proverbs 1:26-27 |

embrel
BamBam Inc.
79
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Posted - 2013.12.04 15:40:00 -
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has Hello Kitty already been mentioned? |

Brendan Anneto
Dread Phoenix Society Fidelas Constans
8
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Posted - 2013.12.04 15:45:00 -
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embrel wrote:has Hello Kitty already been mentioned? Not yet I don't think. But nyan cat won't be avoided either Proverbs 1:26-27 |

Good Apollo BS4
Pew Pew Scrubs The Silent One's
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Posted - 2013.12.04 16:17:00 -
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Malcanis wrote:Samael Pserad wrote:Abrazzar wrote:Wait. You managed to get several billion of assets but didn't get over the training times? You know, with that amount of ISK you could have just bought yourself a PvP character on the Bazaar! Meh... I don't like how you people design characters. They all look like **** supersoldier Silvester Stallone wannabes. Well, since you mention it...
Banned for impersonating Stallone |

Omega Crendraven
24th Imperial Crusade Amarr Empire
101
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Posted - 2013.12.04 16:31:00 -
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Well, this happens to everybody at some point. The trick is to maximize the fun/frustration by blowing, killing and gathering the most ships and tears with the lowest investment. See, ganking an exhumer of 200m with 10m worth of catalyst is so funny! "Get fed, or die farming"-á "Better isk on wallet, than LP on ma' Journal" - Unknow LP farmer.
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Omega Crendraven
24th Imperial Crusade Amarr Empire
101
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Posted - 2013.12.04 16:32:00 -
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Omega Crendraven wrote:Well, this happens to everybody at some point. The trick is to maximize the fun/frustration by blowing, killing and gathering the most ships and tears with the lowest investment. See, ganking an exhumer of 200m with 10m worth of catalyst is so funny!
protip: dont be the guy who gets ****** all the time! "Get fed, or die farming"-á "Better isk on wallet, than LP on ma' Journal" - Unknow LP farmer.
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BeBopAReBop RhubarbPie
NEW ORDER DEATH DEALERS CODE.
42
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Posted - 2013.12.04 18:03:00 -
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Samael Pserad wrote:You win the math fail of year award if you think 4 million SP has a chance against 20 million. But maybe you're just a complete dumb dumb. Except that a 4 million sp character does have a chance. At that point you can have 1 mill in gunnery, 1 mill in tanking of the appropriate type, 1 mill in navigation, and 1 mill in other core fitting skills. Fitting meta3/4 mods with a dcu 2 on any solo combat capable frigate can lead to a very mean ship. Will it win a straight up fight against another character with higher sp in an identically fit ship? No, but it doesn't need to.
Eve is a game where 90% of pvp is picking the fights and 5% is actually fighting (Don't ask where the other 5% went, you don't want to know). Both pilots try to engage only against ships that they have advantage against, at ranges that benefit them.
This character has 6 million sp, but I can guarantee that it performs better in pvp than my 21 mill sp mission runner. I hate to disagree with you,-ábut there is nothing subjective about "boring" in connection to "mining". -á-á-á-á -- Solstice Project's Alt |

Bischopt
Arbitrary Repossession
398
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Posted - 2013.12.04 18:15:00 -
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OP is entitled to his opinion.
And so am I. OP is basically crying because Eve is too hard and doesn't have instant gratification.
Welcome to Eve, the only game that resembles the real world even a little bit. Maybe the problem is that you took that same tone while you were playing the game. It doesn't exactly attract the nice people (who are totally there even if you never met them). |

SpoonRECKLESS
Bumper R Us
109
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Posted - 2013.12.04 18:35:00 -
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Next March will be five years I will have played eve. I got mad once but hey I was taught as a kid to never quit. If you can't beat em, make an alt get into there corp spend a year moving up the chain of command to steal all the things. And on the note of the skill thing its the best ever. I can play other games while skills are training in eve no xp grinding I love this game its not perfect it needs work but its trucking fantasticnessepicwinsauce.
As the great Mc Chris said never give up never surrender Fight the good fight until the end of the night always remember never give up!!! Blue
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Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
14753
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Posted - 2013.12.04 18:39:00 -
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ITT OP joins BNI, a group well known for exploding hilariously at any given opportunity, and for their ethic of fighting everybody they can. OP then complains about exploding hilariously  I am furnishing this post "as is" I do not provide any warranty whatsoever, whether express, implied, or statutory, including, but not limited to, any relevance or fitness for purpose or any warranty that the contents herein are error-free.
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ISD LackOfFaith
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
702

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Posted - 2013.12.04 18:53:00 -
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Hmm, not sure how this hasn't been locked yet. So...
Quote:32. "Quitting" posts are only permitted on the Out of Pod Experience channel.
CCP recognize that during the course of gameplay a lot of friendships are made between players and that sometimes if a player is taking a break or departing from the EVE universe that they would like to say goodbye on the forums. Posts of this nature are only permitted on the Out of Pod Experience forum, and must be civil and well worded.
Thread locked. ISD LackOfFaith Lieutenant Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs) Interstellar Services Department @ISD_LackOfFaith on Twitter |
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