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JEBIV
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Posted - 2006.03.03 02:15:00 -
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I got the concept of Frigates being quick tacklers.
Pretty certain a Battleship is massive tanking and firepower.
What about the Cruiser? What role do they fill in fleet battles and soloing?
Would a lone Caraval be effective running around low sec space?
JEBIV
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Wesley Harding
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Posted - 2006.03.03 02:25:00 -
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I'd say their role is a cheap, throw away ship that can perform anti-tackler duties by flying close to a BS partner.
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Valea Silpha
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Posted - 2006.03.03 02:28:00 -
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Avoiding BSes firepower while still packing quite a punch.
They are also cheap enough to make a gang of them both deadly with a mix of firepower, drones and ewar, and all for under the cost of a BS. A group of between 5 and 10 cruisers is very fast moving and can cream any solo PvPer, and in fact probably even 2-3 bs at a time with good intel.
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JEBIV
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Posted - 2006.03.03 02:56:00 -
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Cheap?? Throw away?!? Man, I just got my 1st cruiser thinking I'm hitting the big time....LOL So I'm guessing I should stay in the kiddie pool area for a while longer then, cause it didn't seem that cheap to me just yet... :)
Thanks for clearing up the general roles though.
JEBIV
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Aeaus
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Posted - 2006.03.03 03:03:00 -
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After insurance and with using cheap modules, losing a cruiser will cost you about half of what you paid for it, which isn't significant at all after you play for a while =]
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Blind Man
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Posted - 2006.03.03 03:12:00 -
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1-3 cruisers > noob bs, thats the role 
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Filan
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Posted - 2006.03.03 03:55:00 -
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Caracals in a fleet battle probally make good anti-frigate ships when rigged with 5x Arbalest Assaults, inty tacklers come in at the battleships and get popped by a hellfire of missles from caracals with assault launchers(or more evil, Rockets).
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Tryggve
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Posted - 2006.03.03 04:40:00 -
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A cheap blackbird can jam down the most expensive battlship :-)
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Dhemos
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Posted - 2006.03.03 05:21:00 -
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If they seem expensive, keep running missions. When they seem cheap and you're able to say "Pffffft who cares if I lose it", then you're ready for PvP. :)
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Zysco
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Posted - 2006.03.03 05:25:00 -
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Cruisers can own multiple frigs at once
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Crimson Angel
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Posted - 2006.03.03 05:26:00 -
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they area nice general purpose ship class.
Decent cargo for some trade runs/mining. Decent defenses and firepower.
Best in groups, but can handle soem solo work in mid-high sec areas
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Lorth
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Posted - 2006.03.03 05:31:00 -
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Cruisers are better then they were before, but I still think that all the jobs that a cruiser can do, are ushally done more effectivly by anouther ship class. Unless you want to include HAC's into your definition of cruiser, but I wouldn't.
But as said above, they do some roles pretty well. And they are a nice ship if your just starting out. But I would recomend anouther ship class for the more expericanced players, because even though more expensive, they do the job better.
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Necrologic
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Posted - 2006.03.03 05:34:00 -
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They still have the least defined roll and are proportionally the worst ship class.
Just to look at one tiny facet of the problem: Almost all bs can fit a full rack of their largest guns without grid/cpu enhancers, and a full loadout along with them with at most 1 grid enhancer (for an avg loadout). Same with frigs thanks to aux cores.
Cruisers struggle to fit a full rack of largest guns, and with a full loadout often need 2-4 grid enhancers. To put a decent loadout on one often you have to use the smallest gun size (with the exception of the caracal). This is a major problem imo. It is most evident on gallente cruisers and least on caldari. Cruisers or their weapons need their grid looked at. Possibly speed too.
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Justin Cody
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Posted - 2006.03.03 05:41:00 -
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My solution to making my cruisers not stink to high heaven? train to level 5 and train my other core skills up. Then aside from being ganked one is pretty set to PvP. Most non-PvPers lose because they aren't aggressive enough, not because they fly the wrong ship. I've seen Caracal's own cerberuses. Its pretty funny.
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Zysco
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Posted - 2006.03.03 06:03:00 -
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Edited by: Zysco on 03/03/2006 06:03:48
 Originally by: Necrologic
They still have the least defined roll and are proportionally the worst ship class.
Just to look at one tiny facet of the problem: Almost all bs can fit a full rack of their largest guns without grid/cpu enhancers, and a full loadout along with them with at most 1 grid enhancer (for an avg loadout). Same with frigs thanks to aux cores.
Cruisers struggle to fit a full rack of largest guns, and with a full loadout often need 2-4 grid enhancers. To put a decent loadout on one often you have to use the smallest gun size (with the exception of the caracal). This is a major problem imo. It is most evident on gallente cruisers and least on caldari. Cruisers or their weapons need their grid looked at. Possibly speed too.
Completely disagree. IMO cruisers are the best ship class in the game and do everything better. Need a BS tackled? Use a cruiser with 2 pts which wont be owned by nos or drones in a second like a frig/inty. Need anti frig? A cruiser is massively better than a desty or AF. Cruisers are also much better than HACs in that they are slightly worse performace wise, but cost like 35-30 times less. Taking it a level higher, cruisers do near BS level damage (especially gallante cruisers), with a smaller sig, and when plated give a near-similar level of hitpoints, for 100 mil less.
I'm fairly certain, for example, that I could fight 5 or 6 intys in a vexor and win.
The only time that cruisers are worthless is in long range fleet battles, but those suck anyways.
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Livia Tarquina
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Posted - 2006.03.03 06:17:00 -
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In a fleet battle cruisers could screen BS's from other cruisers trying to kill it. In a small scale battle they can take the position occupied by BS's. Geez what is it this week every ship type has a post about how worthless it is.
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Purifier
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Posted - 2006.03.03 07:07:00 -
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Well cruisers can often solo many types of bs (never a domi unles sit is very veyr lucky) or a frigate. Thats what I like about them. They basically are ment to be support for BS's and frigs are to support cruisers. So i think originally the idea was you got a bs, a pair of escorting cruisers, and say 4 frigs. That should be a good group, and it is still ture. What do ya know!
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F'nog
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Posted - 2006.03.03 07:19:00 -
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Originally by: Lorth
Cruisers are better then they were before, but I still think that all the jobs that a cruiser can do, are ushally done more effectivly by anouther ship class. Unless you want to include HAC's into your definition of cruiser, but I wouldn't.
But as said above, they do some roles pretty well. And they are a nice ship if your just starting out. But I would recomend anouther ship class for the more expericanced players, because even though more expensive, they do the job better.
Except for the BB, which is the cheapest effective EW ship out there. Since EW ships are always called primary and will disintegrate like an iceburg in a supernova, you may as well use a BB instead of the more expensive options.
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HippoKing
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Posted - 2006.03.03 07:33:00 -
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i love my blackbird. its faster and lighter than a scorp, fits good ECM, only needs one sensor booster and costs a lot less to lose than a scorp (and you will lose it at some point)
its primarily a gang ship though
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James Lyrus
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Posted - 2006.03.03 09:14:00 -
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Edited by: James Lyrus on 03/03/2006 09:17:10
Battleships are slow with lots of firepower and range.
Frigates are fast and have unimpressive firepower and range.
Cruisers drop in the middle. They're faster than battleships, cheaper, but back enough firepower than less of them are needed to take down a battleship.
They also have more slots than a frigate, making them more versatile.
I like cruisers, for all these reasons. And of course, I can T1 outfit/replace a cruiser for a mil or two, so is great for me to practice PvPing :)
Caracals are a bit odd. They're fairly effective, but suffer from the caldari disadvantage - they work best at range, at which point there's nothing to stop your opponent leaving. That said, they're still have a good amount of firepower, damage type agility, and enough mids to fit a good mix of tank/EW. And then you can unleash your single medium drone, and just be the pwnmobile :)
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Winter Star
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Posted - 2006.03.03 09:37:00 -
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So from the discussion it seems exactly as the description on the item DB says?
Cruisers are "The middle children" 
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Joerd Toastius
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Posted - 2006.03.03 11:04:00 -
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The theoretical role is for them to splatter frigs and other cruisers, ganging up on BS where they have the numbers. Frigs kill frigs and tackle BS, cruisers kill frigs and cruisers, BS kill cruisers and BS. It all fits together nicely.
Unfortunately the fact that T2 frigs are affordable and T2 cruisers aren't means that you usually have a large group of T2 frigs with maybe a few T2 cruisers that will batter frigs and equivalent numbers of T1 cruisers without blinking, which kinda weakens the cruiser's role right now. The lack of T2 BS is not a problem and won't be until T2 cruisers become more common than they already are. Yes, there are a good number of HACs around, but only in comparison to T1 cruisers - T2 frigs in my experience far outnumber both, wheras a properly balanced gang should really, affordability aside, have as many cruisers as frigs.
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