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Imhotep Khem	Posted - 2006.03.03 04:30:00 - [1] So I got killed by a dominix in my Tempest. I intend to get my revenge. He was using Berserker IIs. Which is nasty against a Tempest. I was using Dual 425mm T2 with Barrage T2 ammo. First of all his drones hits were harder than my hits once we both started hitting armor. Not even considering the faster ROF of the drones. Can a dominix field a set of drones, and still have a harder tank than a Tempest? Obviously he was highly skilled, but my skills run pretty high too. We both used T2 equipment. Should I have shot the drones? Should I try smartbombs? though I think they would kill my poor cap. my gun average was about 43 Drone average was about 65-70 These wrecks should be into armor: Your Dual 425mm AutoCannon II perfectly strikes Enemy, wrecking for 115.5 damage. Berserker II belonging to Enemy strikes you perfectly, wrecking for 204.7 damage. I have to be honest. IN a tempest with a dual gun bonus I would expect to have harder hits than a Berserker II. Tips/advice/ridicule? ____ If your not dyin' your not tryin'.
Kaell Meynn	Posted - 2006.03.03 04:44:00 - [2] Hardeners.
jamesw	Posted - 2006.03.03 04:46:00 - [3] Edited by: jamesw on 03/03/2006 04:47:25 Its a tough one. Thats why i fly dominix :p You could try using ECM, to disable any nos or guns he has on you. I would not recommend smartbombs. Use medium drones on your ship, have them focus fire on his Berserkers one at a time. It should help to reduce his concentration on the fight if he is micromanaging drones in space. Other than that, good luck. I imagine that the domi is a very tough opponent (thats why I fly one :p ) Edit: Oh yeah.. posting your setup would help. -- Latest Vid: Bobbing for Xelas
LUKKAT	Posted - 2006.03.03 04:53:00 - [4] how did he get close enough to scramble you? was it in a belt or at a gate? temp at long range = dead dom if he stays still that is dom at close range = dead tempest, but you can scramble him so he has to fight to the death.
franny	Posted - 2006.03.03 05:02:00 - [5] without knowing either setup exactly i'll assume he was using an armor tank, but was he using ewar?, nos? a typical nos-domi is set something like 3 or so hvy nos mwd, ewar(scram, ecm, etc) 3 hardener(usually 1exp, 1kin, 1therm hardener) armor tank if he was using a 'gank'domi he'd have something like 6 * dual 250s cap injector, ewar some lvl or armor tank (maybe someone with a better gank domi will post) also keep in mind, domi's drones are a ***** to kill figuring drone durability 4, BS4(which is not unrealistic for a drone spec'd domi pilot) 1.4 * 1.2 * (461 armor + 307 shields) (comes to 774.48 armor, 515.76 shields) + whatever structure they have(then times 5 drones and how many waves, domi can carry 3 waves of hvys or some split of everything) there are 2 ships I fear close range 1v1 in my domi, Torp ravens and other domi's it is one of the best pvp and pve BS's ingame, it's just looked down on for it's gimped grid(and it's ugly color) ----------- /wtb Eris in a cage Sorry, she's not for sale. You can get Imaran for free though - Wrangler can I at least get someone decent? Sure, I'll let you know when I find one - Wrangler
Zysco	Posted - 2006.03.03 05:03:00 - [6] A dominix can fit a much better tank than a tempest. 7 lows + 5 mids vs 6 lows + 5 mids, combined for the tempest's need for damage mods. New vid: "we're back"
Kel Shek	Posted - 2006.03.03 05:06:00 - [7] Edited by: Kel Shek on 03/03/2006 05:07:06 well I fly a dominix, I don't PvP with it yet, just level 4 missions and mining... BUT my PvE set up that I currently use, has 4 active hardeners, (of course varying which ones for the enemy) and 2 large armor reps. I haven't worked it out real scientifically or anything, but at least from what I remember and "get the feeling of" when I have the NOS's going (2 or 3 heavy's) I can run 1 rep constantly, and the other probably every other, or maybe every third(er, something like that) were they using the NOS's? (probably stupid question... lol, since from the sound of it thats pretty much a given at the moment) those drones were probably pretty pumped up... heavy drones 5(required to use those) gives a +25% damage. minm drones 4(minimum to use those) would give an 8% damage bonus. plus the big one... would be Drone Interfacing. if level 4(at least going to be that if they are using those drones) thats 80%. if they are really invested could be 5 and be a 100% bonus... and I'm quite sure those all stack completely.... oh yeah, plus the dominix's bonus as well, I'd say in that sorta situation BS 4 would be a given, and 5 possible... and thats like 10% damage and HP bonus? (edit: per level) /me hugs his dominix ~~~~~ To see a World in a Grain of Sand And Heaven in a Wild Flower Hold Infinity in the palm of your hand And Eternity in an hour ~~William Blake
Imhotep Khem	Posted - 2006.03.03 05:17:00 - [8] Edited by: Imhotep Khem on 03/03/2006 05:17:27 Not sure if he was nossin or not. My cap did run out, but I was running 2 heavy repps. I had cap injector and 2 Nos, so he probably was nossin. He was not shooting any guns so he was doing something shadey. I did take 5 of my medium T2 drones and sic them on his T2 Berserker just to see what would happen. I think by the time the tempest was dead, they had the berserker into 1/2 armor. Just about where I had the Dominix I had 2 hardners on, a Gyro t2, 2 large named repairers and a named 1600 plate. ____ If your not dyin' your not tryin'.
Ryysa	Posted - 2006.03.03 07:52:00 - [9] domi > tempest close range, get over it... The only way you're going to beat him is by fitting at least 2 smartbombs... and ECM... All about target jamming
Chode Rizoum	Posted - 2006.03.03 07:57:00 - [10] Edited by: Chode Rizoum on 03/03/2006 07:57:24 hail ammo.. + 2 dual large tech II reps.. and you whould have won fyi : tempest can yield. 5 medium ECM drones
Exogene	Posted - 2006.03.03 09:38:00 - [11] Edited by: Exogene on 03/03/2006 09:39:45 I'd go for the drones first since that is the main strength of a dominix, use a web Start working on the ship itself after you kill all/most of his drones.
Eyeshadow	Posted - 2006.03.03 09:46:00 - [12] 5 medium drones will take ages to kill the domi's drones, and even if u do manage to kill some, he will just launch more. Close range 1on1 there isnt much that will beat a well set up dominix with tech2 heavies My Latest Vid (16/02/06)
Sonreir	Posted - 2006.03.03 10:04:00 - [13] Originally by: Eyeshadow 5 medium drones will take ages to kill the domi's drones, and even if u do manage to kill some, he will just launch more. Close range 1on1 there isnt much that will beat a well set up dominix with tech2 heavies QFT If you want to beat a Dominix in a Tempest, then don't try to do it at close range.
Imhotep Khem	Posted - 2006.03.03 12:25:00 - [14] well I did that just for kicks. Not much else to do with the medium drones at the time. Hail ammo was too expensive so I had Barrage. But I do have some Hail this time. I will probably drop a repairer for another 1600 plate. If he is nossing no point in 2 reps since I will only ever get 1 to activate. If that dont kill him, Ill just start running from Dominixes ____ If your not dyin' your not tryin'.
Sarmaul	Posted - 2006.03.03 12:28:00 - [15] sit outside nos range and don't stop moving - with barrage this really isn't a problem. ______________________________________________ Hurrah I'm Unbanned \o/
Gronsak	Posted - 2006.03.03 12:37:00 - [16] Edited by: Gronsak on 03/03/2006 12:37:42 Originally by: Sarmaul sit outside nos range and don't stop moving - with barrage this really isn't a problem. yep that would work, set keep distance at 25km. shoot him from there, it is unlikely he will close the gap. if he sees that he cant nos and his tank is failing he will call his drones back at which point mwd to 15km and warp desrupt him and carry on. his drones are actually not too hard to kill with L AC. if u dual web them they will die very fast to your guns. but he will have more in stock. another thing u may wish to try is the new ECM bursts [well they are not new but where ment to be fixed], since ur gona be sub 10km it should be effective, should shut him down for half the time perhaps assumeing u have 2 on your temp [mwd, injecter, web, 20km, 2x bursts] -------------------Sig----------------------- Decrease blaster CPU useage Decrease Hybrid cap useage Balance all weapon systems DO IT SOON
quellious	Posted - 2006.03.03 12:44:00 - [17] A few rules when engaging a dominix : - Kill drones first. Dominix weapon are his drones. You can reduce his firepower without killing the ships. (Note : He might have replacement drones in bay). - Check (using 'look at') whether dominix have weapons fitted or not. If you see no, or very few weapons, he will probably NOS/Neutralize you. Do not get below 30km from him in that case (it mean that you cant cramble him neither ...you just cannot kill a NOS dominix alone, unless you kill all his drones fast and have huge cap regen). - Expect him to tank a very long time (sometime 40.000 hp to do). You need check your capa all allong the fight. - Do never engage a dominix with a HAS, those are your best ennemies. c u - > Order Falcon & Pilgrim > Colsup
Zolofine	Posted - 2006.03.03 12:46:00 - [18] Gallente only have one bships that works so it owns for 2 :-P
Slink Grinsdikild	Posted - 2006.03.03 13:07:00 - [19] Originally by: Zolofine Gallente only have one bships that works so it owns for 2 :-P The Megathron is still head and shoulders above the Typhoon.
Butter Dog	Posted - 2006.03.03 13:21:00 - [20] Originally by: Sarmaul sit outside nos range and don't stop moving - with barrage this really isn't a problem. If you did that to me, I'd deploy a couple of heavy webbing drones, and drag you into range. I always fit E500 nos with a 24k range (heavy diminishing are just a little to expensive for my tastes), so orbiting me at 25k is asking to die once the webbing drones get to you. And anwyay, in this scenario, the best you can hope for is to force the Dominix to warp out. You're not going to kill me. ------------------ The ISS Navy is recruiting. See this thread for further details. www.eve-iss.com
ChalSto	Posted - 2006.03.03 13:23:00 - [21] what domi can do......mega can do also -> 6X Heavy-NOS, 2X Siege-Launchers webber, scrambler, AB, cap-recharger 3X Hardeners, 2X Large-accoms, 2X CPR 5X T2-Berserker funny as hell Dreez current location: In his Blasterthron chasing TomB with a blowtorch. ChalSto joins him.
Nafri	Posted - 2006.03.03 13:24:00 - [22] Originally by: Butter Dog Originally by: Sarmaul sit outside nos range and don't stop moving - with barrage this really isn't a problem. If you did that to me, I'd deploy a couple of heavy webbing drones, and drag you into range. I always fit E500 nos with a 24k range (heavy diminishing are just a little to expensive for my tastes), so orbiting me at 25k is asking to die once the webbing drones get to you. And anwyay, in this scenario, the best you can hope for is to force the Dominix to warp out. You're not going to kill me. only shows how rediculus strong Dominix and Raven got, and how weak Tempest and Megathron
Butter Dog	Posted - 2006.03.03 14:53:00 - [23] Originally by: Nafri only shows how rediculus strong Dominix and Raven got, and how weak Tempest and Megathron Not really, its quite easy to defeat a domi if you fit for it and use the right tactics. I'm not going to tell you how, because I fly one, but I have been beaten 1v1 before by a Megathron, a Tempest, and a Raven, and I will be again I'm quite sure. I would win most 1v1's in it, but people just need to plan for all 'eventualities' in combat and try new things. The domi isnt overpowered, your fitting and tactics are just at fault. ------------------ The ISS Navy is recruiting. See this thread for further details. www.eve-iss.com
Imhotep Khem	Posted - 2006.03.03 15:06:00 - [24] Originally by: Butter Dog Originally by: Nafri only shows how rediculus strong Dominix and Raven got, and how weak Tempest and Megathron Not really, its quite easy to defeat a domi if you fit for it and use the right tactics. I'm not going to tell you how, because I fly one, but I have been beaten 1v1 before by a Megathron, a Tempest, and a Raven, and I will be again I'm quite sure. I would win most 1v1's in it, but people just need to plan for all 'eventualities' in combat and try new things. The domi isnt overpowered, your fitting and tactics are just at fault. When people say the ship is good its not because it can beat another ship under a certain set of circumstances. They say its good because it can beat another ship under many various circumstances. I will eventually beat the dominix. Probably take 3 or 4 tries. And when I finally beat it, do I become equal to it? ____ If your not dyin' your not tryin'.
Nafri	Posted - 2006.03.03 15:40:00 - [25] Originally by: Imhotep Khem Originally by: Butter Dog Originally by: Nafri only shows how rediculus strong Dominix and Raven got, and how weak Tempest and Megathron Not really, its quite easy to defeat a domi if you fit for it and use the right tactics. I'm not going to tell you how, because I fly one, but I have been beaten 1v1 before by a Megathron, a Tempest, and a Raven, and I will be again I'm quite sure. I would win most 1v1's in it, but people just need to plan for all 'eventualities' in combat and try new things. The domi isnt overpowered, your fitting and tactics are just at fault. When people say the ship is good its not because it can beat another ship under a certain set of circumstances. They say its good because it can beat another ship under many various circumstances. I will eventually beat the dominix. Probably take 3 or 4 tries. And when I finally beat it, do I become equal to it? Yep, its about: Do you need to fit to kill them, or do thy need to fit to kill them? Dominix can be beaten, thats sure, but for that you cant run around in your 08/15 fitting you would fight the othet BS, but on the other side, for a dominix it doesnt matter what your fighting, as long as its within 30km of you, your settled, and you can be sure that your setup gives your an advantage, even though you havent specially fitted to fight your enemy. Dominix is just like Raven, a brainless solo pwnmachine latly
Slink Grinsdikild	Posted - 2006.03.03 15:57:00 - [26] Originally by: Butter Dog Not really, its quite easy to defeat a domi if you fit for it and use the right tactics. You said it yourself. Everyone else has to fit specialized modules just to stand a chance. Domi has the luxury of not caring what it goes up against. The mixture of 250mm/Nosferatu/Multispec ECM and 5 T2 Ogres will pretty much take care of anything.
Zysco	Posted - 2006.03.03 17:37:00 - [27] Please orbit my domi at 25km with your tempest. New vid: "we're back"
dabster	Posted - 2006.03.03 17:40:00 - [28] Ion Fields are your friends. Make bloody sure you note the pluralis though. :( ___________________________ Brutors Rule! My Eve-vids; Click.
HippoKing	Posted - 2006.03.03 18:07:00 - [29] use a single racial ECM in one of your mids (or 2). that will give you a huge advantage, and if it goes ****-up, you can warp off in the time he is jammed sigs of the 23/24/25 hijack just as well -eris yarrrr, i shall retake my sig -HippoKing Not a chance, our 1337 sig haXx0r sk1llz are too powerful! - Wrangler Ho-Ho-Hooooooo, Merry Saturday!11 - Immy Yo ho ho and a bottle of BReeEEEEeee.... - Jacques ARRRRRRchambault Stop spamming with "QFT" >:\|. - Teblin
Soros	Posted - 2006.03.03 18:08:00 - [30] Originally by: Butter Dog Originally by: Sarmaul sit outside nos range and don't stop moving - with barrage this really isn't a problem. If you did that to me, I'd deploy a couple of heavy webbing drones, and drag you into range. I always fit E500 nos with a 24k range (heavy diminishing are just a little to expensive for my tastes), so orbiting me at 25k is asking to die once the webbing drones get to you. And anwyay, in this scenario, the best you can hope for is to force the Dominix to warp out. You're not going to kill me. All knowing all doing ISS pilots.

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