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Abisha Baboli
Solvency Conglomerate
5
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Posted - 2013.12.05 22:54:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Abisha Baboli wrote:really Cloak really handy in High sec. really............ Very much so, yes.
I just a guy that need tons of m3, transported from A to B. without fancy cloaks or whatever. at the cheapest posable way. |
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
14755
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Posted - 2013.12.05 22:57:00 -
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Abisha Baboli wrote:Tippia wrote:Abisha Baboli wrote:really Cloak really handy in High sec. really............ Very much so, yes. I just a guy that need tons of m3, transported from A to B. without fancy cloaks or whatever. at the cheapest posable way. Red Frog or PushX, both cheaper than buying your own freighter, and you get your money regardless of whether or not it gets delivered, if you set the collateral right. I am furnishing this post "as is" I do not provide any warranty whatsoever, whether express, implied, or statutory, including, but not limited to, any relevance or fitness for purpose or any warranty that the contents herein are error-free.
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
17636
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Posted - 2013.12.05 22:59:00 -
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Abisha Baboli wrote:overcharged or not, that what they sell for.. Amarr you say? Ok.
Prorator GÇö 86M. Crane GÇö 137M. Viator GÇö 135M. Prowler GÇö 140M (or just be smart and get it for 84M).
So if you're paying 200M, you're being massively overcharged.
Quote:I just a guy that need tons of m3, transported from A to B. without fancy cloaks or whatever. at the cheapest and fastest possible way. So there are a ton of viable ships, and a couple of them (unsurprisingly) fit your particular needs in this case, whereas the others will fit your needs in other cases. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: newbie skill plan 2.0. |
Abisha Baboli
Solvency Conglomerate
5
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Posted - 2013.12.05 23:08:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Abisha Baboli wrote:overcharged or not, that what they sell for.. Amarr you say? Ok. Prorator GÇö 86M. Crane GÇö 137M. Viator GÇö 135M. Prowler GÇö 140M (or just be smart and get it for 84M). So if you're paying 200M, you're being massively overcharged. Quote:I just a guy that need tons of m3, transported from A to B. without fancy cloaks or whatever. at the cheapest and fastest possible way. So there are a ton of viable ships, and a couple of them (unsurprisingly) fit your particular needs in this case, whereas the others will fit your needs in other cases.
try now a Bustard.
still i appropriate you're help. and before you ask, i only have Caldari Industrial V. |
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
14757
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Posted - 2013.12.05 23:16:00 -
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Bustard in Jita 135 Million, it's between 120 and 130 elsewhere.
BTW the Bustard is a DST, not a BR. I am furnishing this post "as is" I do not provide any warranty whatsoever, whether express, implied, or statutory, including, but not limited to, any relevance or fitness for purpose or any warranty that the contents herein are error-free.
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
17638
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Posted - 2013.12.05 23:17:00 -
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Abisha Baboli wrote:try now a Bustard. GǪwhich isn't a blockade runner and which is overpriced in Amarr by 20M (you get it for 130:ish in Gallente or Caldari space). GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: newbie skill plan 2.0. |
Abrazzar
Vardaugas Family
2335
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Posted - 2013.12.05 23:18:00 -
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Someone forgot to flush or what is this thread doing here? Sovereignty and Population New Mining Mechanics |
Laetitia Nzero
Southern Cross Empire Flying Dangerous
85
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Posted - 2013.12.05 23:20:00 -
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OP HighSec only player. Just doesn't understand :-( Bring you huge capacity, cheap freighter into syndicate or any other nullsec, let's see what happens |
Lugia3
Emerald Inc.
662
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Posted - 2013.12.05 23:27:00 -
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The ret4rdation is strong with this one. |
Crumplecorn
Eve Cluster Explorations
503
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Posted - 2013.12.05 23:28:00 -
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Am I too late for the 175M freighters? I'll take 5. [img]http://desusig.crumplecorn.com/sig.php?r=*rnd*[/img] Desusigs can be seen on the terribad new forums using bbcode enabling script (scroll down to my post for sig rotation) |
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The Spod
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
138
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Posted - 2013.12.05 23:39:00 -
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OP writing in character. |
Paranoid Loyd
University of Caille Gallente Federation
23
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Posted - 2013.12.05 23:45:00 -
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OP has obviously never been ganked, I will try to change that
Maybe then she will realize the different advantages of the haulers...
Edit: NVM, OP has been ganked a few times, she is hopeless. |
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
14758
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Posted - 2013.12.05 23:55:00 -
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Paranoid Loyd wrote:OP has obviously never been ganked, I will try to change that Maybe then she will realize the different advantages of the haulers... Edit: NVM, OP has been ganked a few times, she is hopeless. The OPs "fits" are nonetheless amusing
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Paranoid Loyd
University of Caille Gallente Federation
23
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Posted - 2013.12.06 00:00:00 -
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Jonah Gravenstein wrote:Paranoid Loyd wrote:OP has obviously never been ganked, I will try to change that Maybe then she will realize the different advantages of the haulers... Edit: NVM, OP has been ganked a few times, she is hopeless. The OPs "fits" are nonetheless amusing
Yeah, definitely, but if you check my KB they are actually pretty standard fits for the I don't get eve but still pass judgement on mechanics crowd. |
Bel Tika
Dirty Rotten Scoundrel's
28
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Posted - 2013.12.06 00:13:00 -
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I dont understand this post, maybe its because im new i dont know, the best thing i found in game so far for my alt was the miasmo's, im mining trying to make enough isk for my progression an at same time enough for his combat ships not even a days training and he was able to slip into one of them wee indy ships and come help me out by transporting some ore, is that a bad thing?
well actually it worst thing i ever bought him, bstrd keeps bumping me out the belts with it |
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
14758
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Posted - 2013.12.06 00:20:00 -
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^^ Alts are evil bastards, next thing you know he'll be stealing all your stuff to feed his booster habit. I am furnishing this post "as is" I do not provide any warranty whatsoever, whether express, implied, or statutory, including, but not limited to, any relevance or fitness for purpose or any warranty that the contents herein are error-free.
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Caviar Liberta
Moira. Villore Accords
228
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Posted - 2013.12.06 01:00:00 -
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What we have is a player with a Mimatar character with an Amarr faction image in the profile image complaining about Gallente haulers. |
Xearal
Black Thorne Corporation Black Thorne Alliance
759
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Posted - 2013.12.06 01:15:00 -
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OP, Tech 2 =/= Bigger better version of same ship.
For industrials, Tech 2 means specialisation. The Tech 2 industrials can do things that the ordinary ones can't.
On the one hand we have the Blockade Runner, small cargo, fast align/warp, high warp speed, covert ops cloaking ability, impossible to cargo scan.
This ship is ideal for transporting small valuable goodies, like ay expensive skillbooks, or blueprints, officer modules, and what have you. It is also ideal for going into dangerous areas of space to pick up goods, like for instance nullsec.
On the other hand, we have the DSTs, aka Deep Space Transports. Same kind of cargohold as Tech 1 regular cargoholds ( not specialised ones ), slow align and warp, but high resistances, so able to fit a heavy tank, and has +2 warp strength built into it.
While this ship suffers a bit in lack of obvious roles. Good uses for this are for instance moving stuff around in dangerous areas, where your +warp strength combined with 1 or 2 stabs will make it hard to catch you, while it's tank will be able to hold up against quite a lot of punishing enemy fire. It's cargohold is much larger than the BR, so it is a good choice if you don't want to make multiple trips with a BR. In highsec, this ship is also very useful, as it's heavy tank will allow you to move stuff with it while being relatively safe from gankers as it has a LOT more EHPs than a T1 hauler.
Oh, and since you seem to have never bothered with reading up on the overhaul of T1 industrials.. here's a short version:
1) Every race now has a 'small fast one' and a 'Big Slow one' 2) the 'spare' ones have all been given specialised cargo bays to carry stuff around with. I can't remember the exact names of the ships but these are the special bays that have been introduced: A) Ore B) PI goods C) Minerals ( I think ) D) Ammunition/charges
When moving these particular items, the specialised ships can't be beat really, by the regular haulers, which is exactly the idea for having a specialised role. All of the T1 indies still suffer from 1 thing though, they're not all that fast, but more importantly, they can't stand up to any decent amount of firepower. So ganking them in highsec for instance is quite easy by a solo ganker.
In order to alleviate that problem, there's the T2 industrials if you wish to be on a budget, or, you can simply shell out 1B isk for a Freighter, which carries 700-800k m3 of stuff and has a LOT of EHPS making it not that easily ganked unless the gankers bring in a team of multiple pilots.
A different option for this is also the Orca, which carries less, but is relatively more maneuverable/faster in warp, than a freighter, and slightly cheaper, and when it's not hauling goods, you can install links to boost mining operations.
Personally, I love both my Prowler and my Mastodon, and use them quite a lot. The Prowler I also often use as my travel ship for when I need to go somewhere, as when I do, I usually need to bring something along, or pick something up over there.
Btw, did I mention that Blockade Runners can also use Covert Jump Bridges?
PS: Fozzie, unnerve my Prowler, I used to have 9 au/sec warp speed, but now warp speed finally became relevant, it's only got 6 au.. I want my 9 au back so I can outrun interceptors!
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SickSeven
The Undead Righteous Knights
1
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Posted - 2013.12.06 02:06:00 -
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My god the OP is right!
Did you know a Vargur can have a cargo space of 3875 m3 !
It must be nerfed! This damn ship is outclassing ships meant to move cargo! and I hear you can get one for 150mil isk! |
Old Phill
Republic University Minmatar Republic
21
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Posted - 2013.12.06 02:20:00 -
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Abisha Baboli wrote:face it, those ships need a Overhaul. first of all, the costs. Skillbook=30 to 35 Mil. Ship 150 Mil
damn, man can buy a Freighter for that money that have 50 times the amount of cargo space. also it's frustrated to see, gallante have superior Haulers Kryos or Miasmos anyone?, those 2 have 9 damn times the hauling Capability of ANY other Hauler ingame, not to talk about those 10% per level while the others only got 5%
Give the Other races, something to Like faster warp, super agility whatever or do Dev's only fly Gallante??.
away, back to topic. Tech II Haulers, most be made easier to learn, cheaper to produce, hell trow a couple of 1000'sm3 to the hull, walla problems solved.
Freighter under 200mil id love to hear where |
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Lilliana Stelles
993
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Posted - 2013.12.06 02:31:00 -
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Despite that there is some true stupidity going on in this thread, there is also a point.
T2 industrials do need a rebalance. Some of them have either terrible capacity or slot layout. Not just bad, but terrible. And the heftier indys don't really have enough of a unique role in my opinion. You'll still get tackled, you'll still lose it, it just takes all of two people instead of one, and the EHP isn't all that great due to an awkard PG/CPU.
So there is definitely a rebalance in order.
Other than that I don't think the OP knows what he/she is talking about. Because these things are dirt cheap. My minnie blockade runners cost <90 mil as of last I checked. Not a forum alt.-á |
Captain Tardbar
Sons of Sam
761
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Posted - 2013.12.06 02:58:00 -
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Sometimes I use a dedicated alt to haul ice in a Miasmos.
You can get 60K m3 in that thing. "Entitlement" is a euphemism for "I hate the way you play and it makes me cry like a baby". If you fantasize about being immoral it means you enjoy being immoral deep down. Captain Tardbar: The official grumpy cat of General Discussion. |
Faceless Parmala
Chaotic Tranquility Casoff
11
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Posted - 2013.12.06 04:28:00 -
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Abisha Baboli wrote:face it, those ships need a Overhaul. first of all, the costs. Skillbook=30 to 35 Mil. Ship 150 Mil
damn, man can buy a Freighter for that money that have 50 times the amount of cargo space. also it's frustrated to see, gallante have superior Haulers Kryos or Miasmos anyone?, those 2 have 9 damn times the hauling Capability of ANY other Hauler ingame, not to talk about those 10% per level while the others only got 5%
Give the Other races, something to Like faster warp, super agility whatever or do Dev's only fly Gallante??.
away, back to topic. Tech II Haulers, most be made easier to learn, cheaper to produce, hell trow a couple of 1000'sm3 to the hull, walla problems solved. Did I miss something? Did the freaghter market just crash? |
Mysttina
Alpha Spectres
7
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Posted - 2013.12.06 04:31:00 -
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Crumplecorn wrote:Am I too late for the 175M freighters? I'll take 5.
I'll take 5 and increase the offer to 200M isk each
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Barrogh Habalu
Imperial Shipment Amarr Empire
586
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Posted - 2013.12.06 04:57:00 -
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Honestly though, DSTs could use some dev love. It was like forever since convoys were a thing, at this point those ships are kinda pointless when compared to other options. |
Hasikan Miallok
Republic University Minmatar Republic
29
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Posted - 2013.12.06 05:08:00 -
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Barrogh Habalu wrote:Honestly though, DSTs could use some dev love. It was like forever since convoys were a thing, at this point those ships are kinda pointless when compared to other options.
yeah Deep Space Transports are a bit pointless ... Blockade Runners are still useful though ... and with prices down around 100 mill they are something of a bargain.
Though if you want a real bargain for beginning players, the best lowsec option has to be the Nereus. With average/good skills you can fit a LSE and invuls for a 20k tank whilst still managing to squeeze in a cloak II, MWD and nano's and warp stabs in the low slots ... and it has drones.
However if I am not mistaken, the original poster seems to be thinking of T2s as mini freighters for potential hisec use ?? Odd ... and missing the point of BRs and DSTs entirely. |
Treo 'Ssard
Hangar 55
36
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Posted - 2013.12.06 05:26:00 -
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Caviar Liberta wrote:What we have is a player with a Mimatar character with an Amarr faction image in the profile image complaining about Gallente haulers.
And Caldari trained, no less. |
Trillian Stargazer
Origin. Black Legion.
11
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Posted - 2013.12.06 05:53:00 -
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hi sec problems up in this thread. |
baltec1
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
8962
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Posted - 2013.12.06 05:57:00 -
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Barrogh Habalu wrote:Honestly though, DSTs could use some dev love. It was like forever since convoys were a thing, at this point those ships are kinda pointless when compared to other options.
A good ship for high value, low volume items when jita gates are busy. Join Bat Country today and defend the Glorious Socialist Dictatorship |
Infinity Ziona
Cloakers
948
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Posted - 2013.12.06 06:24:00 -
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It's amusing how many have fallen for a pretty terrible troll. |
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