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seth Hendar
I love you miners
258
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Posted - 2013.12.06 19:28:00 -
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SurrenderMonkey wrote:seth Hendar wrote:SurrenderMonkey wrote:seth Hendar wrote:that's bullshit, which CCP ppl is coming from a big alliance, pretty sure a titan of said alliance died this way not long ago......
clearly, CCP, stop that ****, after that you will also say it's an exploit to bump? then to undock?
stop dumbing eve down, if one is dumb enought to park a titan in a small, with it's bare ass sticking out, he deserve to loose it. Which part is bullshit, exactly? As others have noted, this isn't a new exploit. It's been known and regarded as an exploit for years. Whatever prompted the reminder, hopefully they doled out some punishment with it. Ignorance of the law is no excuse. two reasons: calling this an exploit, it as been used for so long, ) What in the actual **** are you on about? POS bowling has always been an exploit. Nothing changed here. CCP didn't alter the rules. This isn't new. It was a reminder for imbeciles who forgot. pos bowling was about using a titan to bump out ships FULLY and often DEEP within the POS shield.
often done with a titan, using titan's momentum when landing on grid.
this was adressed long time ago by "hardening" the pos shield
here we are talking about bumping a ship wich is not fully inside the shield, like it is the case when you try to park a titan in a small pos.
absolutely not the same
while POS bowling was called exploit, then fixed long time ago, the issue mentionned on this devblog was knwon but up to this day, was NOT called exploit |
SurrenderMonkey
Space Llama Industries
319
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Posted - 2013.12.06 20:07:00 -
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seth Hendar wrote:SurrenderMonkey wrote:seth Hendar wrote:SurrenderMonkey wrote:seth Hendar wrote:that's bullshit, which CCP ppl is coming from a big alliance, pretty sure a titan of said alliance died this way not long ago......
clearly, CCP, stop that ****, after that you will also say it's an exploit to bump? then to undock?
stop dumbing eve down, if one is dumb enought to park a titan in a small, with it's bare ass sticking out, he deserve to loose it. Which part is bullshit, exactly? As others have noted, this isn't a new exploit. It's been known and regarded as an exploit for years. Whatever prompted the reminder, hopefully they doled out some punishment with it. Ignorance of the law is no excuse. two reasons: calling this an exploit, it as been used for so long, ) What in the actual **** are you on about? POS bowling has always been an exploit. Nothing changed here. CCP didn't alter the rules. This isn't new. It was a reminder for imbeciles who forgot. pos bowling was about using a titan to bump out ships FULLY and often DEEP within the POS shield. often done with a titan, using titan's momentum when landing on grid. this was adressed long time ago by "hardening" the pos shield here we are talking about bumping a ship wich is not fully inside the shield, like it is the case when you try to park a titan in a small pos. absolutely not the same while POS bowling was called exploit, then fixed long time ago, the issue mentionned on this devblog was knwon but up to this day, was NOT called exploit
No, they're actually very much the same. The problem is that some irresponsible jackasses looked at it and thought to themselves, "Hah! There is an insignificant and largely cosmetic difference between these two activities! We will treat them as if they are completely different things, even though we should obviously know better!"
So, here we are, with those same people whining, and everyone else rolling their eyes at the obvious exploit. |
Almethea
Trans Stellar Express
23
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Posted - 2013.12.06 20:24:00 -
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dafuk?! really? in10y, first time the logs show something? WTS capital bpc https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=123248 |
Thead Enco
III Legion
24
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Posted - 2013.12.06 20:35:00 -
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So who got "Black Legion'd" |
Lugia3
Emerald Inc.
664
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Posted - 2013.12.06 20:38:00 -
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Confirming "the logs show nothing" regarding a stargate consuming my T3. |
Aaron Kyoto
Clan Shadow Wolf Fatal Ascension
26
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Posted - 2013.12.06 21:22:00 -
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CCP need to clarify with an example, because 'bumping' is in a different league with 'pos bowling' and they need to explain themselves:
Is bumping a titan partially exposed from the pos now considered an exploit? Or is it in referance to warping a mothership at blank range? |
Cygnet Lythanea
World Welfare Works Association Independent Faction
319
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Posted - 2013.12.06 22:49:00 -
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I seem to recall this has actually been an exploit for some time. I'm curious though what happened that they brought it up again. '
Also, the thing about CCP's logs 'not showing anything' was known bullshit even back in the day. They got caught in the lie about it a while back and have decided to come clean is all.
I am the Walrus. |
Vald Tegor
Empyrean Guard Tactical Narcotics Team
79
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Posted - 2013.12.06 23:04:00 -
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Aaron Kyoto wrote:CCP need to clarify with an example, because 'bumping' is in a different league with 'pos bowling' and they need to explain themselves:
Is bumping a titan partially exposed from the pos now considered an exploit? Or is it in referance to warping a mothership at blank range?
It sounds quite clear to me.
Quote:Bumping ships, that are located within password protected starbase force-fields
with-+in preposition in the compass or limits of; not beyond:
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Trillian Stargazer
Origin. Black Legion.
11
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Posted - 2013.12.06 23:07:00 -
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this has to be the most pants on the head ******** thing CCP has done this year. punish players for taking advantage of other peoples mistakes. looking forward to the "using drag bubbles to pull people of gates exploit". |
Steve Ronuken
Fuzzwork Enterprises Vote Steve Ronuken for CSM
2130
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Posted - 2013.12.06 23:08:00 -
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Trillian Stargazer wrote:this has to be the most pants on the head ******** thing CCP has done this year. punish players for taking advantage of other peoples mistakes. looking forward to the "using drag bubbles to pull people of gates exploit".
That's not what they're talking about. Steve Ronuken for CSM 9! http://www.fuzzwork.co.uk/ Twitter: @fuzzysteve on Twitter |
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James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation
6695
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Posted - 2013.12.06 23:22:00 -
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Pedo Thellere wrote:Abdiel Kavash wrote:No. Read the announcement again, this time with eyes open. What about the announcement could he have possibly misread? They say we can no longer take advantage of idiot cap/supercap pilots who are sitting in a small pos with their asses hanging out in the breeze. How is that an exploit? There are many ways to prevent this such as BUY A BIGGER POS. It really is a bullshit call. What are you even on about? They didn't mention anything about parts of ships sticking out of the shield. Unless you can actually provide an example that shows this was the exploit being used your post is just meaningless hysteria. Latest video - Pandemic Legion titan and supers killed |
S0mveraa
Isotope Laboratories The Laughing Men
1
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Posted - 2013.12.06 23:27:00 -
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It's not an "exploit". It fits right in with the very spirit of eve. Corporate theft and espionage. If you take this out, you will have to make joining someone's corp to steal stuff, a ban able offense, or take off POS shield passwords at all. You've made some bad decisions recently CCP....but REALLY. What in the WORLD are you thinking?
Does this effect Titans poking their heads out to bridge a whole fleet? What you mean to tell me is, it's ok for that to happen ..but not for someone to bump them out and murder them? I've got to ask CCP ...who's proverbial phallus are you on right now?
As a wormhole dweller...I have no issues with bumping stuff out of pos's, especially if your security let in a spy to learn pos passwords. It's a part of the game ..take it out ......change some stuff ...or screw off CCP.
EDIT: Oh right ...over the years i've head " our logs show nothing" so many times ..I don't even put in petitions for obvious crap anymore......You just told every player (that's probably most of us) who have seen " our logs show nothing". That YOU WERE FREKING LYING THE WHOLE TIME! Really ..you can see a collision ? WOW that's some detailed logs ...Wonder how they never show anything else... |
Steve Ronuken
Fuzzwork Enterprises Vote Steve Ronuken for CSM
2130
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Posted - 2013.12.06 23:30:00 -
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S0mveraa wrote:It's not an "exploit". It fits right in with the very spirit of eve. Corporate theft and espionage. If you take this out, you will have to make joining someone's corp to steal stuff, a ban able offense, or take off POS shield passwords at all. You've made some bad decisions recently CCP....but REALLY. What in the WORLD are you thinking?
Does this effect Titans poking their heads out to bridge a whole fleet? What you mean to tell me is, it's ok for that to happen ..but not for someone to bump them out and murder them? I've got to ask CCP ...who's proverbial phallus are you on right now?
As a wormhole dweller...I have no issues with bumping stuff out of pos's, especially if your security let in a spy to learn pos passwords. It's a part of the game ..take it out ......change some stuff ...or screw off CCP.
If you're /inside/ the shield, it's fine.
Quote:from outside without having the correct password or corporation/alliance permissions as configured in the tower settings, is considered an exploit. Steve Ronuken for CSM 9! http://www.fuzzwork.co.uk/ Twitter: @fuzzysteve on Twitter |
Alphea Abbra
Grim Determination Nulli Secunda
455
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Posted - 2013.12.06 23:31:00 -
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S0mveraa wrote:It's not an "exploit". It fits right in with the very spirit of eve. Corporate theft and espionage. If you take this out, you will have to make joining someone's corp to steal stuff, a ban able offense, or take off POS shield passwords at all. You've made some bad decisions recently CCP....but REALLY. What in the WORLD are you thinking?
Does this effect Titans poking their heads out to bridge a whole fleet? What you mean to tell me is, it's ok for that to happen ..but not for someone to bump them out and murder them? I've got to ask CCP ...who's proverbial phallus are you on right now?
As a wormhole dweller...I have no issues with bumping stuff out of pos's, especially if your security let in a spy to learn pos passwords. It's a part of the game ..take it out ......change some stuff ...or screw off CCP. Are you in the wrong thread? I ask because, while you did post in a thread about some specific uses of POS shields and their protection / lack thereof being against the rules, your post did not in any way give a hint to being on that particular subject. In fact, one could think that your "spirit of eve. Corporate theft and espionage." would be strenghtened.
For the rest of the hysteria... Why are the CFC members the somewhat sensible here? |
S0mveraa
Isotope Laboratories The Laughing Men
1
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Posted - 2013.12.06 23:31:00 -
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Steve Ronuken wrote:S0mveraa wrote:It's not an "exploit". It fits right in with the very spirit of eve. Corporate theft and espionage. If you take this out, you will have to make joining someone's corp to steal stuff, a ban able offense, or take off POS shield passwords at all. You've made some bad decisions recently CCP....but REALLY. What in the WORLD are you thinking?
Does this effect Titans poking their heads out to bridge a whole fleet? What you mean to tell me is, it's ok for that to happen ..but not for someone to bump them out and murder them? I've got to ask CCP ...who's proverbial phallus are you on right now?
As a wormhole dweller...I have no issues with bumping stuff out of pos's, especially if your security let in a spy to learn pos passwords. It's a part of the game ..take it out ......change some stuff ...or screw off CCP. If you're /inside/ the shield, it's fine. Quote:from outside without having the correct password or corporation/alliance permissions as configured in the tower settings, is considered an exploit.
So that goes back to my other question. No bumping titan's out sticking their huge heads out to bridge? Why not just make 'em gtfo of pos shields all the way to do it ? |
Vald Tegor
Empyrean Guard Tactical Narcotics Team
79
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Posted - 2013.12.06 23:49:00 -
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S0mveraa wrote: So that goes back to my other question. No bumping titan's out sticking their huge heads out to bridge? Why not just make 'em gtfo of pos shields all the way to do it ?
A basic understanding of the English language would indicate that a ship sticking out of the shield is not within the shield, and therefore not protected by this ruling. |
Molenius Morrowinger
M - Intergalactics Inq.
11
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Posted - 2013.12.07 00:40:00 -
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In sandbox I want to bump whatever I want wherever I want. And deal with consequences. Otherwise it is theme park. |
Anklemelter
AM Industries
0
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Posted - 2013.12.07 00:43:00 -
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Quote:Greetings, GM Bunyip here.
Unfortunately I cannot easily tell what exactly happened to move your ship into the blast radius, as our logs are not fully comprehensive when it comes to tracking movements and so on.
Best regards, GM Bunyip EVE Online Customer Support Team Good luck with them logs CCP |
Nevyn Auscent
Broke Sauce
585
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Posted - 2013.12.07 00:46:00 -
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S0mveraa wrote:
So that goes back to my other question. No bumping titan's out sticking their huge heads out to bridge? Why not just make 'em gtfo of pos shields all the way to do it ?
Can you target said titan sticking it's head out? If so, then it is outside the shield for sure.
If you can't target said titan, report it as an exploit the other way if it can bridge while technically inside the POS shield as far as targeting goes.
If you can't target it, then it 'probably' counts as inside the POS shield, as the pilot of it can't shoot at you in order to stop you, but CCP clarification on if that applies would be a good thing. |
Mara Rinn
Cosmic Goo Convertor Cosmic Consortium
4383
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Posted - 2013.12.07 01:36:00 -
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Anklemelter wrote:Quote:Greetings, GM Bunyip here.
[The logs show nothing] Good luck with them logs CCP
The logs don't show enough information to determine whether your ship was inside the blast radius of an explosion in space.
The logs certainly do show enough information to determine that someone has fit their ship and has engaged in the appropriate type of activity to exploit this particular flaw in game mechanics.
Don't assume that the logs always show nothing just because CCP wouldn't reimburse the battleship that got bombed to oblivion because you were busy making a sandwich for your girlfriend.
Day 0 advice for new players: Day 0 Advice for New Players |
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Frostys Virpio
Lame Corp Name
785
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Posted - 2013.12.07 01:49:00 -
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Mara Rinn wrote:Anklemelter wrote:Quote:Greetings, GM Bunyip here.
[The logs show nothing] Good luck with them logs CCP The logs don't show enough information to determine whether your ship was inside the blast radius of an explosion in space. The logs certainly do show enough information to determine that someone has fit their ship and has engaged in the appropriate type of activity to exploit this particular flaw in game mechanics. Don't assume that the logs always show nothing just because CCP wouldn't reimburse the battleship that got bombed to oblivion because you were busy making a sandwich for your girlfriend.
Also don't assume they really have to show anything for them to ban you. |
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ISD Ezwal
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
606
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Posted - 2013.12.07 02:29:00 -
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I have removed a rule breaking post and those quoting it.
The rules: 9. Posting of private CCP communication is prohibited.
The posting of private communication between the Game Masters, EVE Team members, Moderators, Administrators of the forums and forum users is prohibited. CCP respect the right of our players to privacy and as such you are not permitted to publicize private correspondence (including petition responses and emails) received from any of the aforementioned parties. ISD Ezwal Commander Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs) Interstellar Services Department |
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Captain Tardbar
Sons of Sam
774
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Posted - 2013.12.07 03:02:00 -
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Molenius Morrowinger wrote:In sandbox I want to bump whatever I want wherever I want. And deal with consequences. Otherwise it is theme park.
There are cat turds in this sandbox. "Entitlement" is a euphemism for "I hate the way you play and it makes me cry like a baby". If you fantasize about being immoral it means you enjoy being immoral deep down. Captain Tardbar: The official grumpy cat of General Discussion. |
Caviar Liberta
Moira. Villore Accords
234
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Posted - 2013.12.07 03:51:00 -
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Steve Ronuken wrote:I'd be quite happy to see the elimination of POS bubbles, replacing it with a different mechanic. Such as the ability to anchor a super cap to a structure, locking it down.
That's certainly been suggested by CCP as the way things will be going. AOE effects like POS bubbles make CCP Veritas cry.
Edit:
For people who didn't read the notification properly:
This isn't about AWOXers bumping ships out so their mates can steal/explode them.
This is about people outside the POS bubble, bumping a ship that is technically Inside the bubble, so that the ship leaves the bubble.
It use to be called pos bowling |
Garresh
Team Chicken and Waffles
304
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Posted - 2013.12.07 03:57:00 -
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It is an exploit. I think most griefers will agree with this ruling, as it doesn't stop awoxing, infiltration, and all the usual shenanigans we know and love. This Space Intentionally Left Blank |
James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation
6700
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Posted - 2013.12.07 07:44:00 -
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James Amril-Kesh wrote:It's not an exploit to bump a ship out of the pos if you're legitimately able to enter the pos shields. This includes guessing the password or learning it through espionage.
If the shields are supposed to keep you out though, then you shouldn't be able to bump something out of them.
I'm not aware of how this exploit works but I agree with CCP's call here. I feel I should clarify my position here: I would actually agree with some of the other posters here that if a portion of the collision sphere of the ship is outside of the shields, then one should be able to use that to bump a ship out of the shields. Again I don't know if that's actually how the exploit is supposed to work, but if it is then it shouldn't be an exploit. Latest video - Pandemic Legion titan and supers killed |
McDarila
Lost Society Get Off My Lawn
13
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Posted - 2013.12.07 08:19:00 -
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I would now like to take the time remind everyone that was in or part way pos shield and bumped out to ask for their titan back. I sure there are a number that we(the CFC) would like refunded. Like wise I beleve BoB, Test, and few others are in the same boat.
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l0rd carlos
Friends Of Harassment
660
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Posted - 2013.12.07 08:51:00 -
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Exploiting that the server works in one second ticks and thus getting inside the FF for a second sounds like an exploit to me. German blog about smallscale lowsec pvp: http://friendsofharassment.wordpress.com |
Bobby Frutt
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
18
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Posted - 2013.12.07 10:12:00 -
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It seems the issue was that supercaps, in a small POS, were very hard to position entirely inside the field. The solution should be: Don't park your supercap in a small POS. Upgrade.
I don't understand the logic in calling this an exploit. When I first read the update I did; upon further thinking it doesn't make sense. |
dexington
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
893
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Posted - 2013.12.07 10:15:00 -
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l0rd carlos wrote:Exploiting that the server works in one second ticks and thus getting inside the FF for a second sounds like an exploit to me.
Would all checks regardless of which second they happen not be validated with the same FF password rules? I'm a relatively respectable citizen. Multiple felon perhaps, but certainly not dangerous. |
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