No. Read the announcement again, this time with eyes open.

I got caught out misreading or failing to pass elementary english and now I need to resort to personal insults to hide my sore epeen

Eyes are wide enough open to know that you sound butthurt as if its already happened to you/your alliance.

Does anyone else think that CCP are completely wrong in making this an exploit and that it should be regarded as a genuine game mechanic?

POS Bumpin

I thought they made this an exploit a long time ago? Or was that warping to an enemy POS in a cap ship or titan and bouncing the ships out to kill them? I had assumed that it meant bumping any ships out of a POS was an exploit.

I thought they made this an exploit a long time ago? Or was that warping to an enemy POS in a cap ship or titan and bouncing the ships out to kill them? I had assumed that it meant bumping any ships out of a POS was an exploit.

so some idiot that parks an avatar with its butt sticking out of the shields is off-limits now?

so some idiot that parks an avatar with its butt sticking out of the shields is off-limits now?

So who died to cause this ruling?

Don't know who the victim was this time, but it seems CCP logs have improved over the years. They went from "Our logs show nothing" to "Our logs show everything".

that's bullshit, which CCP ppl is coming from a big alliance, pretty sure a titan of said alliance died this way not long ago......



clearly, CCP, stop that ****, after that you will also say it's an exploit to bump? then to undock?

stop dumbing eve down, if one is dumb enought to park a titan in a small, with it's bare ass sticking out, he deserve to loose it.

No. Read the announcement again, this time with eyes open.

Which part is bullshit, exactly?

As others have noted, this isn't a new exploit. It's been known and regarded as an exploit for years.

Whatever prompted the reminder, hopefully they doled out some punishment with it. Ignorance of the law is no excuse.

What about the announcement could he have possibly misread? They say we can no longer take advantage of idiot cap/supercap pilots who are sitting in a small pos with their asses hanging out in the breeze. How is that an exploit? There are many ways to prevent this such as BUY A BIGGER POS. It really is a bullshit call.

two reasons:

calling this an exploit, it as been used for so long, )

Which part is bullshit, exactly?

As others have noted, this isn't a new exploit. It's been known and regarded as an exploit for years.

Whatever prompted the reminder, hopefully they doled out some punishment with it. Ignorance of the law is no excuse.

What in the actual **** are you on about?

POS bowling has always been an exploit. Nothing changed here. CCP didn't alter the rules. This isn't new. It was a reminder for imbeciles who forgot.

pos bowling was about using a titan to bump out ships FULLY and often DEEP within the POS shield.

often done with a titan, using titan's momentum when landing on grid.

this was adressed long time ago by "hardening" the pos shield

here we are talking about bumping a ship wich is not fully inside the shield, like it is the case when you try to park a titan in a small pos.

absolutely not the same

while POS bowling was called exploit, then fixed long time ago, the issue mentionned on this devblog was knwon but up to this day, was NOT called exploit

CCP need to clarify with an example, because 'bumping' is in a different league with 'pos bowling' and they need to explain themselves:

Is bumping a titan partially exposed from the pos now considered an exploit? Or is it in referance to warping a mothership at blank range?

Bumping ships, that are located within password protected starbase force-fields

this has to be the most pants on the head ******** thing CCP has done this year. punish players for taking advantage of other peoples mistakes. looking forward to the "using drag bubbles to pull people of gates exploit".

What about the announcement could he have possibly misread? They say we can no longer take advantage of idiot cap/supercap pilots who are sitting in a small pos with their asses hanging out in the breeze. How is that an exploit? There are many ways to prevent this such as BUY A BIGGER POS. It really is a bullshit call.

It's not an "exploit". It fits right in with the very spirit of eve. Corporate theft and espionage. If you take this out, you will have to make joining someone's corp to steal stuff, a ban able offense, or take off POS shield passwords at all. You've made some bad decisions recently CCP....but REALLY. What in the WORLD are you thinking?



Does this effect Titans poking their heads out to bridge a whole fleet? What you mean to tell me is, it's ok for that to happen ..but not for someone to bump them out and murder them? I've got to ask CCP ...who's proverbial phallus are you on right now?


As a wormhole dweller...I have no issues with bumping stuff out of pos's, especially if your security let in a spy to learn pos passwords. It's a part of the game ..take it out ......change some stuff ...or screw off CCP.

from outside without having the correct password or corporation/alliance permissions as configured in the tower settings, is considered an exploit.

It's not an "exploit". It fits right in with the very spirit of eve. Corporate theft and espionage. If you take this out, you will have to make joining someone's corp to steal stuff, a ban able offense, or take off POS shield passwords at all. You've made some bad decisions recently CCP....but REALLY. What in the WORLD are you thinking?



Does this effect Titans poking their heads out to bridge a whole fleet? What you mean to tell me is, it's ok for that to happen ..but not for someone to bump them out and murder them? I've got to ask CCP ...who's proverbial phallus are you on right now?


As a wormhole dweller...I have no issues with bumping stuff out of pos's, especially if your security let in a spy to learn pos passwords. It's a part of the game ..take it out ......change some stuff ...or screw off CCP.

If you're /inside/ the shield, it's fine.

So that goes back to my other question. No bumping titan's out sticking their huge heads out to bridge? Why not just make 'em gtfo of pos shields all the way to do it ?

Greetings, GM Bunyip here.

Unfortunately I cannot easily tell what exactly happened to move your ship into the blast radius, as our logs are not fully comprehensive when it comes to tracking movements and so on.


Best regards,
GM Bunyip
EVE Online Customer Support Team

So that goes back to my other question. No bumping titan's out sticking their huge heads out to bridge? Why not just make 'em gtfo of pos shields all the way to do it ?

Good luck with them logs CCP

The logs don't show enough information to determine whether your ship was inside the blast radius of an explosion in space.

The logs certainly do show enough information to determine that someone has fit their ship and has engaged in the appropriate type of activity to exploit this particular flaw in game mechanics.

Don't assume that the logs always show nothing just because CCP wouldn't reimburse the battleship that got bombed to oblivion because you were busy making a sandwich for your girlfriend.

In sandbox I want to bump whatever I want wherever I want. And deal with consequences.
Otherwise it is theme park.

I'd be quite happy to see the elimination of POS bubbles, replacing it with a different mechanic. Such as the ability to anchor a super cap to a structure, locking it down.


That's certainly been suggested by CCP as the way things will be going. AOE effects like POS bubbles make CCP Veritas cry.




Edit:

For people who didn't read the notification properly:

This isn't about AWOXers bumping ships out so their mates can steal/explode them.

This is about people outside the POS bubble, bumping a ship that is technically Inside the bubble, so that the ship leaves the bubble.

It's not an exploit to bump a ship out of the pos if you're legitimately able to enter the pos shields. This includes guessing the password or learning it through espionage.

If the shields are supposed to keep you out though, then you shouldn't be able to bump something out of them.

I'm not aware of how this exploit works but I agree with CCP's call here.

Exploiting that the server works in one second ticks and thus getting inside the FF for a second sounds like an exploit to me.

It seems the issue was that supercaps, in a small POS, were very hard to position entirely inside the field. The solution should be: Don't park your supercap in a small POS. Upgrade.

I don't understand the logic in calling this an exploit. When I first read the update I did; upon further thinking it doesn't make sense.

A basic understanding of the English language would indicate that a ship sticking out of the shield is not within the shield, and therefore not protected by this ruling.

NOT OUR FAULT YOUR GAME MECHANICS ARE AS THEY ARE, YOU WANT US TO BEHAVE IN A CERTAIN WAY THEN FIX YOUR OWN GAME MECHANICS

Then maybe consider the possibility that the TMC reporter is talking out of his ass and that some way to bump a ship that is fully inside the forcefield without the bumper having access to the POS shield has been found.

We all know that such methods have existed in the past (penetrate forcefield you don't have access to through warp or cyno , get ejected at high speed, bump ships inside the POS on your way out). If such a method had been found and been brought to the attention of CCP it would only make sense for them to rule it an exploit and lo' and behold the statement they would write would have to look just like the one in front of us.

There's no reason to assume that CCP is even more ******** than usual when the most literal reading of their statement provides an entirely plausible meaning.

exploit details have come to light, turns out I was spot on.

I think CCP is totally wrong banning people for this

If they don't want it to happen then fix the damn game mechanic

Not just ban people because their own game mechanics arent working as supposed.

Not our fault your game mechanics are as they are, you want us to behave a certain way then fix your own game mechanics

You are wrong banning people for this.

Then maybe consider the possibility that the TMC reporter is talking out of his ass and that some way to bump a ship that is fully inside the forcefield without the bumper having access to the POS shield has been found.

We all know that such methods have existed in the past (penetrate forcefield you don't have access to through warp or cyno , get ejected at high speed, bump ships inside the POS on your way out). If such a method had been found and been brought to the attention of CCP it would only make sense for them to rule it an exploit and lo' and behold the statement they would write would have to look just like the one in front of us.

There's no reason to assume that CCP is even more ******** than usual when the most literal reading of their statement provides an entirely plausible meaning.

I tried explaining this to my CEO, but he was really drunk at the time and kept going on about titans and supers with their asses hanging out in small POSes. Heh.
(Hi Jmay).

Don't know who the victim was this time, but it seems CCP logs have improved over the years. They went from "Our logs show nothing" to "Our logs show everything".

So it's back to cutting their power? Bail is expensive, CCP.

SHOUTING.

A basic understanding of the English language would indicate that a ship sticking out of the shield is not within the shield, and therefore not protected by this ruling.