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Miasmos Aliastra Gallente Federation 7	Posted - 2013.12.08 14:28:00 - [1] - Quote All have been playtested to steamroll L4's with low but focused skillpoints on under 6 months old characters. All are easy to fit CPU wise and focus in training damage skills. Training the damage skills is the core of these fits: it both enables the fits to steamroll with range and damage, and makes you isk. All of the fits tank the L4's easily by sniping from outside NPC range. Guristas missions can be iffy, but in practise get steamrolled. Against guristas fit 2x kinetic hardeners. Carry a mobile depot for the ability to adapt fittings in space. All of the fits carry a tractor beam to snag mission objectives with MJD triangulation. Move around by MJD triangulation, practise the routine to get the most out of MJD cooldown by jumping back to next gate with a buffer of rats left to kill. Knock yourself out! [Dominix, Newbie PVE MJD] Drone Damage Amplifier II Drone Damage Amplifier II Drone Damage Amplifier II Drone Damage Amplifier II Drone Damage Amplifier II Large Armor Repairer II Internal Force Field Array I Large Micro Jump Drive Omnidirectional Tracking Link II Omnidirectional Tracking Link II Omnidirectional Tracking Link II Sensor Booster II, Targeting Range Script Drone Link Augmentor II Drone Link Augmentor II Drone Link Augmentor II Small Tractor Beam I [empty high slot] [empty high slot] Large Drone Scope Chip I Large Drone Scope Chip I Large Drone Scope Chip I Garde II x5 - 820dps to 100km optimal range Bouncer II x5 - 717dps to 130km drone range Curator II x5 - 666dps to 130km drone range [Armageddon, Newbie PVE MJD] Drone Damage Amplifier II Drone Damage Amplifier II Drone Damage Amplifier II Drone Damage Amplifier II Drone Damage Amplifier II Large Armor Repairer II Internal Force Field Array I Large Micro Jump Drive Federation Navy Omnidirectional Tracking Link Federation Navy Omnidirectional Tracking Link Sensor Booster II, Targeting Range Script Drone Link Augmentor II Drone Link Augmentor II Drone Link Augmentor II Drone Link Augmentor II Small Tractor Beam I [empty high slot] [empty high slot] Large Drone Scope Chip I Large Drone Scope Chip I Large Processor Overclocking Unit I Curator II x5 - 666dps to 110km Bouncer II x5 - 717dps to 130km Warden II x5 - 615dps to 150km (garde II 820dps to 60km) [Raven, Newbie PVE MJD] Ballistic Control System II Ballistic Control System II Ballistic Control System II Ballistic Control System II Co-Processor II Large Micro Jump Drive EM Ward Field II EM Ward Field II Thermic Dissipation Field II Large Shield Booster II Sensor Booster II, Targeting Range Script Shield Boost Amplifier II Cruise Missile Launcher II, Mjolnir Fury Cruise Missile Cruise Missile Launcher II, Mjolnir Fury Cruise Missile Cruise Missile Launcher II, Mjolnir Fury Cruise Missile Cruise Missile Launcher II, Mjolnir Fury Cruise Missile Cruise Missile Launcher II, Mjolnir Fury Cruise Missile Cruise Missile Launcher II, Mjolnir Fury Cruise Missile Small Tractor Beam I Large Warhead Rigor Catalyst I Large Warhead Rigor Catalyst I Large Warhead Rigor Catalyst I Hobgoblin II x5 Fury missile 888dps to 150km lock range, triple rigor damage application.
Dato Koppla PillowFighters Inc Stealth Wear Inc. 397	Posted - 2013.12.08 16:53:00 - [2] - Quote +1 This is basically the best way for new players to get into L4 missions nowadays.
Onictus Silver Snake Enterprise Fatal Ascension 652	Posted - 2013.12.08 18:11:00 - [3] - Quote That Raven you can also swap the SeBo for a cap booster and not have to range tank everything. So less waiting around for the MJD to cooldown.
Miasmos Aliastra Gallente Federation 9	Posted - 2013.12.08 18:20:00 - [4] - Quote Onictus wrote: That Raven you can also swap the SeBo for a cap booster and not have to range tank everything. So less waiting around for the MJD to cooldown. Absolutely correct for a ready character. Not on a very young character running L4 / anomalies, though. The MJD is only there to forego tank requirement, as MJD reduces your DPS to missile travel time on spawn triggers.
Marc Callan Interstellar Steel Templis Dragonaors 338	Posted - 2013.12.09 11:44:00 - [5] - Quote The only thing I'd quibble about is the fifth DDA in the Dominix and Armageddon fits. Drone damage is variable in the same way turret damage is (grazing shots, wrecking shots, etc.), and once you're past four DDA's, I'm not sure you get enough of a DPS boost to be noticeable over the natural fluctuations in drone DPS. For a newbie, I'd probably recommend an extra tank module in place of the fifth DDA. "Nevertheless a prince ought to inspire fear in such a way that, if he does not win love, he avoids hatred..." - Niccolo Machiavelli-á
Blake Phosphor Taurus Quantum Technologies Taurus Quantum Dynamics 0	Posted - 2013.12.09 12:30:00 - [6] - Quote Especially in L4s, many battleships will hunt you down to some degree. On many missions this will suit you, but on my domi (even with t2 sentries) I often take damage from battleships at 70k+. If the domi posted fails to maintain a good 100km+, it will either have to warp or die very quickly. Also, whats up with the rigs? Just use more drone link augmenters, I dont know of any noobie who has perfect targeting skills, so 4/5 drone links is often enough to serve any purpose. And for the love of god, t2 damage control. you expect t2 links but not t2 damage control?
Neor Deninard Blackwater Coalition Forces Harkonnen Federation 17	Posted - 2013.12.09 13:04:00 - [7] - Quote That Domi will die soooooo fast vs. guristas And slowboating 40km to a gate or mission container isn't fun either
Dextrome Thorphan RvB - RED Federation 35	Posted - 2013.12.09 13:18:00 - [8] - Quote Neor Deninard wrote: That Domi will die soooooo fast vs. guristas And slowboating 40km to a gate or mission container isn't fun either Uhm it's got a MJD just like the Raven and the Arma... so why you dissing the Domi? Just gotta learn how to effectively use your MJD D/W I suck at it too lol
Miasmos Aliastra Gallente Federation 10	Posted - 2013.12.09 13:29:00 - [9] - Quote Neor Deninard wrote: That Domi will die soooooo fast vs. guristas And slowboating 40km to a gate or mission container isn't fun either Both points are addressed in op. These fits are thoroughly proven in L4s.
Miasmos Aliastra Gallente Federation 10	Posted - 2013.12.09 13:35:00 - [10] - Quote Blake Phosphor wrote: Especially in L4s, many battleships will hunt you down to some degree. On many missions this will suit you, but on my domi (even with t2 sentries) I often take damage from battleships at 70k+. If the domi posted fails to maintain a good 100km+, it will either have to warp or die very quickly. Also, whats up with the rigs? Just use more drone link augmenters, I dont know of any noobie who has perfect targeting skills, so 4/5 drone links is often enough to serve any purpose. And for the love of god, t2 damage control. you expect t2 links but not t2 damage control? Valid points in theory. In practise the fits are optimized: GÇó range tank steamrolls L4's in practise, thoroughly playtested GÇó scope rigs are not stacking penalized with omnidirs resulting 100km optimal gardes GÇó t2 damage control is CPU hungry, can skip electronics v and drones rigging iv through meta
Miasmos Aliastra Gallente Federation 10	Posted - 2013.12.09 13:38:00 - [11] - Quote Marc Callan wrote: The only thing I'd quibble about is the fifth DDA in the Dominix and Armageddon fits. Drone damage is variable in the same way turret damage is (grazing shots, wrecking shots, etc.), and once you're past four DDA's, I'm not sure you get enough of a DPS boost to be noticeable over the natural fluctuations in drone DPS. For a newbie, I'd probably recommend an extra tank module in place of the fifth DDA. The fifth DDA gives a 15-20 dps boost. A good alternative is to carry a hardener in the slot.
IIshira School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State 281	Posted - 2013.12.09 14:05:00 - [12] - Quote These look like very good fits but I have a few questions. How would you fit these for experienced players? Other than the co-processor for the Raven and the T1 damage control gouges eyes out the fits look like they would be good for more experienced players as well... Or am I wrong? How much damage do you defect being at 100km since they use missiles? I've done Sansha missions and being 100km off is nice since their turrets have a hard time hitting you but I haven't tried this with Guristas and their missiles.
Kosetzu S1lver Flame 87	Posted - 2013.12.09 14:18:00 - [13] - Quote Would the Domi/Geddon have enough targeting range if you used a signal amplifier instead of the sensor booster? Fifth damage mod is a bit too penalized for me to see it as useful tbh...
Onictus Silver Snake Enterprise Fatal Ascension 657	Posted - 2013.12.09 14:22:00 - [14] - Quote IIshira wrote: These look like very good fits but I have a few questions. How would you fit these for experienced players? Other than the co-processor for the Raven and the T1 damage control gouges eyes out the fits look like they would be good for more experienced players as well... Or am I wrong? How much damage do you defect being at 100km since they use missiles? I've done Sansha missions and being 100km off is nice since their turrets have a hard time hitting you but I haven't tried this with Guristas and their missiles. The co-proc isn't going anywhere on a x4 BCS raven, not if you want a tank....that applies to players with fitting skills as well as those that dont. Likewise the t1 DC is there for CPU purposes, domi doesn't really have that much and 5 damage mods + 3 omnis + dla eat a lot AND those drone scopes cost you CPU like all drone rigs....I doubt that a T2 DCU would fit. I wouldn't fly the domi with that fit, three DDAs allows a much better tank, and even then you are going to have fun with a lot of the angle missions, the requirement to range tank would make guristas even worse, toss that sitecase completely in favor of a couple specific cheepo faction hardeners and call that a day. Likelwise that thing is only going to be able to run the repper for a minute maybe before capping out. There is nothing to support the capacitor on it.
Miasmos Aliastra Gallente Federation 11	Posted - 2013.12.09 14:28:00 - [15] - Quote Good questions above. The sebo hits a sweet spot of 140 targeting / 130 drone control ish. Signal amp range limitation costs a lot of dps in practise. However, the ones you need to co-max are drone optimal, control and lock range. A good eft excersise, keeping in mind the cpu ease and low sp! The fifth DDA is a rather decent boost, not as penalized as on most turret ships: 15-20dps The drone fits work for experienced players as they are, because they are quite maxed for dps. On raven and gedson you should look for non mjd fits though if you want to min max. Those are a different topic but: raven "standard", armageddon 50km cruise-sentry or laser-sentry.
Trioxis Veyr The Veyr Collective 3	Posted - 2013.12.09 16:01:00 - [16] - Quote I'd probably run something like this: [Armageddon, DRONE ON] Large Armor Repairer II Large Armor Repairer II Armor Kinetic Hardener II Armor Kinetic Hardener II Drone Damage Amplifier II Drone Damage Amplifier II Drone Damage Amplifier II Cap Recharger II Cap Recharger II Cap Recharger II Omnidirectional Tracking Link II Drone Link Augmentor II Drone Link Augmentor II Cruise Missile Launcher II, Inferno Cruise Missile Cruise Missile Launcher II, Inferno Cruise Missile Cruise Missile Launcher II, Inferno Cruise Missile Salvager I Salvager I Large Capacitor Control Circuit I Large Capacitor Control Circuit I Large Capacitor Control Circuit I Bouncer II x5 - 657dps @ 75km optimal Hobgoblin II x5 Curator II x5 - 610dps @ ~66km optimal Hammerhead II x5 It trades drone optimal and some dps for increased tank so you don't have to worry about guristas melting your armor. Cruise missiles will add a bit of dps while also allowing you to pull ships from range, if necessary. You could drop a DDA for another resist if you don't feel comfortable with the tank. Dropping the Omnidirectional Tracking Link for a 100mn AB would allow you to get to gates a bit faster at the expense of drone optimal and tracking. Bouncer optimal would be 57600m and Curator optimal would be 50400. It's debatable whether you would need the increased optimal range or not as a stronger tank would allow you to just take all fire head-on, thus having all ships within optimal anyway. It might also be worth taking rat specific sentries (Curator vs Sansha and Blood Raiders, Garde vs Serpentis, etc) to get the most bang for your buck.
Blake Phosphor Taurus Quantum Technologies Taurus Quantum Dynamics 0	Posted - 2013.12.09 17:14:00 - [17] - Quote Miasmos wrote: Blake Phosphor wrote: Especially in L4s, many battleships will hunt you down to some degree. On many missions this will suit you, but on my domi (even with t2 sentries) I often take damage from battleships at 70k+. If the domi posted fails to maintain a good 100km+, it will either have to warp or die very quickly. Also, whats up with the rigs? Just use more drone link augmenters, I dont know of any noobie who has perfect targeting skills, so 4/5 drone links is often enough to serve any purpose. And for the love of god, t2 damage control. you expect t2 links but not t2 damage control? Valid points in theory. In practise the fits are optimized: GÇó range tank steamrolls L4's in practise, thoroughly playtested GÇó scope rigs are not stacking penalized with omnidirs resulting 100km optimal gardes GÇó t2 damage control is CPU hungry, can skip electronics v and drones rigging iv through meta Id like to see this. I have several 8.0s with corporations and have done hundreds of l4s and I can say that in quite a few missions if ANYTHING goes wrong you will simply die. Before one could use this fit, they would have to do much research and be very careful, definetly not noobie friendly
Miasmos Aliastra Gallente Federation 11	Posted - 2013.12.09 17:48:00 - [18] - Quote Blake Phosphor wrote: Miasmos wrote: Blake Phosphor wrote: Especially in L4s, many battleships will hunt you down to some degree. On many missions this will suit you, but on my domi (even with t2 sentries) I often take damage from battleships at 70k+. If the domi posted fails to maintain a good 100km+, it will either have to warp or die very quickly. Also, whats up with the rigs? Just use more drone link augmenters, I dont know of any noobie who has perfect targeting skills, so 4/5 drone links is often enough to serve any purpose. And for the love of god, t2 damage control. you expect t2 links but not t2 damage control? Valid points in theory. In practise the fits are optimized: GÇó range tank steamrolls L4's in practise, thoroughly playtested GÇó scope rigs are not stacking penalized with omnidirs resulting 100km optimal gardes GÇó t2 damage control is CPU hungry, can skip electronics v and drones rigging iv through meta Id like to see this. I have several 8.0s with corporations and have done hundreds of l4s and I can say that in quite a few missions if ANYTHING goes wrong you will simply die. Before one could use this fit, they would have to do much research and be very careful, definetly not noobie friendly Simply die waving hands, or MJD and warp away - if anything ever manages to go that* wrong. The amount of care taken is: 1) MJD when entering room. 2) Shoot frigates first on approach, then focus down the rest, sorting by range to kill close ones first. Not rocket science.
Verity Sovereign Sovereign Fleet Tax Shelter 613	Posted - 2013.12.09 18:58:00 - [19] - Quote Miasmos wrote: GÇó scope rigs are not stacking penalized with omnidirs resulting 100km optimal gardes Hmm, hadn't realized that, are they stacking penalized with each other? I remember there was a time when the omnis weren't stacking penalized. That might make it worth switching from my current domi, to my Geddon (as I have Amarr BS V, but only gal BS IV), and then re-rig the geddon, although I'd have to check the CPU Still, in general, the fits look way too squishy and stacking penalized. MJDing back to a gate, and sitting around for 3 minutes for it to cooldown again is not what I'd call blitzing. 2/3 of them also assumes rather extensive drone skills, I know you said focused... but.... that is quite a bit of specialization. Given the price of a domi now, I might be tempted to tell them they can use some faction stuff in place of skills (ie Fed navy omni links, and only do sharpshooting IV) Black eagle DLAs are nice too, but a bit expensive... but if you're blitzing lvl 4s, you can do the gallente epic arc soon enough I guess.
Miasmos Aliastra Gallente Federation 13	Posted - 2013.12.09 19:20:00 - [20] - Quote Verity Sovereign wrote: Miasmos wrote: GÇó scope rigs are not stacking penalized with omnidirs resulting 100km optimal gardes Hmm, hadn't realized that, are they stacking penalized with each other? I remember there was a time when the omnis weren't stacking penalized. That might make it worth switching from my current domi, to my Geddon (as I have Amarr BS V, but only gal BS IV), and then re-rig the geddon, although I'd have to check the CPU Still, in general, the fits look way too squishy and stacking penalized. MJDing back to a gate, and sitting around for 3 minutes for it to cooldown again is not what I'd call blitzing. 2/3 of them also assumes rather extensive drone skills, I know you said focused... but.... that is quite a bit of specialization. Given the price of a domi now, I might be tempted to tell them they can use some faction stuff in place of skills (ie Fed navy omni links, and only do sharpshooting IV) Black eagle DLAs are nice too, but a bit expensive... but if you're blitzing lvl 4s, you can do the gallente epic arc soon enough I guess. About the penalization and squishiness, looks can be deceiving. It's the focus that makes them work, including on the skillpoint department. The focus allows skipping on the tank department as you kill stuff before it reaches range to shoot you. Making compromises rapidly moves you from "don't need tank" to "have to fit full tank", especially on a low SP character. FN omnidirectionals are an excellent call on the dominix, reaching 110km gardes. BE DLA's could also be good, as CPU is very hard on the DLA's especially. Pimping it too much crosses the line of "gank-worthy" though! This is the primary reason of using a damage control too, as the EHP would be in the target range of a pair of tornados without it on a low SP character.
Cage Man 310	Posted - 2013.12.09 21:28:00 - [21] - Quote 5 DDA's is just plain crazy and a waste of a low slot The thick plottens... CCP, When can my crane get its black paint job back??
IIshira School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State 283	Posted - 2013.12.09 22:35:00 - [22] - Quote Onictus wrote: IIshira wrote: These look like very good fits but I have a few questions. How would you fit these for experienced players? Other than the co-processor for the Raven and the T1 damage control gouges eyes out the fits look like they would be good for more experienced players as well... Or am I wrong? How much damage do you defect being at 100km since they use missiles? I've done Sansha missions and being 100km off is nice since their turrets have a hard time hitting you but I haven't tried this with Guristas and their missiles. The co-proc isn't going anywhere on a x4 BCS raven, not if you want a tank....that applies to players with fitting skills as well as those that dont. Likewise the t1 DC is there for CPU purposes The co-processor or T1 damage control isn't needed on these setups if you have fitting skills. I understand that since these setups are intended for pilots without all the fitting skills they might be needed.
IIshira School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State 283	Posted - 2013.12.09 23:02:00 - [23] - Quote IIshira wrote: How much damage do you defect being at 100km since they use missiles? I've done Sansha missions and being 100km off is nice since their turrets have a hard time hitting you but I haven't tried this with Guristas and their missiles. This is the only thing I'm worried about. With no armor hardeners and a single repper I'm not sure if it will be tanky enough, I'm going to test it and see!
Celia Therone University of Caille Gallente Federation 37	Posted - 2013.12.09 23:50:00 - [24] - Quote I don't think that this fit will clear the Angel Extravaganza bonus room? In fact anything with a bunch of turrets I would be concerned with? Anything that ewars you so you can't target and then spawns warp disrupting frigates could get interesting pretty quickly like in the blockade?
Miasmos Aliastra Gallente Federation 15	Posted - 2013.12.10 05:16:00 - [25] - Quote Celia Therone wrote: I don't think that this fit will clear the Angel Extravaganza bonus room? In fact anything with a bunch of turrets I would be concerned with? Anything that ewars you so you can't target and then spawns warp disrupting frigates could get interesting pretty quickly like in the blockade? The AE bonus room requires fitting tank (tested). Gurista missions are the other thing you want a tank in. The blockade is cakewalk as you kill frigates on approach both on your targeting and sentry targeting. EWAR is a non-issue and diminishes also greatly from your range.
Miasmos Aliastra Gallente Federation 15	Posted - 2013.12.10 05:19:00 - [26] - Quote Cage Man wrote: 5 DDA's is just plain crazy and a waste of a low slot It's 15-20dps which is quite meaningful, but in some cases you could be better off with a co-processor and another drone link augmentor. Then your lock range becomes the limitation, though.
Miasmos Aliastra Gallente Federation 15	Posted - 2013.12.10 05:37:00 - [27] - Quote Mission fitting has a philosophical change nowadays as you can adapt with mobile depot. What I do is fit for the 90% I can run without any tank and swap on fly for the 10% of cases where my shield is ever breached. The 5 DDAs boost the majority scenario, but there could be a way to optimise it, perhaps co-pro and DLA.
Caldari 5 D.I.L.L.I.G.A.F. S.A.S Northern Associates. 169	Posted - 2013.12.10 06:43:00 - [28] - Quote Tractor Beams aren't needed with the new Deployables, you can drop those and then come back with Noctis/Destroyer to mop up
Miasmos Aliastra Gallente Federation 15	Posted - 2013.12.10 07:03:00 - [29] - Quote Caldari 5 wrote: Tractor Beams aren't needed with the new Deployables, you can drop those and then come back with Noctis/Destroyer to mop up Tractor is very much needed in the general fit IMHO. The point of it is with two MJD clicks and tractor you get the mission objective can. Shoot rats in between the mjd clicks. The tractor has saved me a lot of slowboating. The tractor could well be refitted for the occasion, but I found myself using it enough to warrant a spot in the base fit.
Galileo Ohaya Tortuga Coalition 102 27	Posted - 2013.12.11 00:01:00 - [30] - Quote Thanks for these fits. I'm not a new player and have excellent fitting skills for Caldari missile boats, but just have never flown a Raven. I'm looking to put one together though for my hisec alt to use. I'm also training up for a Domi and appreciate the fit ideas. I have some questions on the Raven though.... The shield booster works well, but using it drops the cap down to a very short life. I understand that you are using the MJD to range tank so you hopefully don't need the booster that much, but still..... I've not yet flown a MJD so I am a complete noob to using it.... Also, I see you don't fit a TP? In my experience with Sleepers, a TP is a huge help with cruise missiles with anything smaller than a BS.

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