That Raven you can also swap the SeBo for a cap booster and not have to range tank everything. So less waiting around for the MJD to cooldown.

That Domi will die soooooo fast vs. guristas

And slowboating 40km to a gate or mission container isn't fun either

That Domi will die soooooo fast vs. guristas

And slowboating 40km to a gate or mission container isn't fun either

Especially in L4s, many battleships will hunt you down to some degree. On many missions this will suit you, but on my domi (even with t2 sentries) I often take damage from battleships at 70k+. If the domi posted fails to maintain a good 100km+, it will either have to warp or die very quickly. Also, whats up with the rigs? Just use more drone link augmenters, I dont know of any noobie who has perfect targeting skills, so 4/5 drone links is often enough to serve any purpose. And for the love of god, t2 damage control. you expect t2 links but not t2 damage control?

The only thing I'd quibble about is the fifth DDA in the Dominix and Armageddon fits. Drone damage is variable in the same way turret damage is (grazing shots, wrecking shots, etc.), and once you're past four DDA's, I'm not sure you get enough of a DPS boost to be noticeable over the natural fluctuations in drone DPS. For a newbie, I'd probably recommend an extra tank module in place of the fifth DDA.

These look like very good fits but I have a few questions.

How would you fit these for experienced players? Other than the co-processor for the Raven and the T1 damage control *gouges eyes out* the fits look like they would be good for more experienced players as well... Or am I wrong?

How much damage do you defect being at 100km since they use missiles? I've done Sansha missions and being 100km off is nice since their turrets have a hard time hitting you but I haven't tried this with Guristas and their missiles.

Valid points in theory. In practise the fits are optimized:

GÇó range tank steamrolls L4's in practise, thoroughly playtested
GÇó scope rigs are not stacking penalized with omnidirs resulting 100km optimal gardes
GÇó t2 damage control is CPU hungry, can skip electronics v and drones rigging iv through meta

Id like to see this. I have several 8.0s with corporations and have done hundreds of l4s and I can say that in quite a few missions if ANYTHING goes wrong you will simply die. Before one could use this fit, they would have to do much research and be very careful, definetly not noobie friendly

GÇó scope rigs are not stacking penalized with omnidirs resulting 100km optimal gardes

Hmm, hadn't realized that, are they stacking penalized with each other? I remember there was a time when the omnis weren't stacking penalized.
That might make it worth switching from my current domi, to my Geddon (as I have Amarr BS V, but only gal BS IV), and then re-rig the geddon, although I'd have to check the CPU


Still, in general, the fits look way too squishy and stacking penalized.
MJDing back to a gate, and sitting around for 3 minutes for it to cooldown again is not what I'd call blitzing.

2/3 of them also assumes rather extensive drone skills, I know you said focused... but.... that is quite a bit of specialization.

Given the price of a domi now, I might be tempted to tell them they can use some faction stuff in place of skills (ie Fed navy omni links, and only do sharpshooting IV)

Black eagle DLAs are nice too, but a bit expensive... but if you're blitzing lvl 4s, you can do the gallente epic arc soon enough I guess.

The co-proc isn't going anywhere on a x4 BCS raven, not if you want a tank....that applies to players with fitting skills as well as those that dont. Likewise the t1 DC is there for CPU purposes

How much damage do you defect being at 100km since they use missiles? I've done Sansha missions and being 100km off is nice since their turrets have a hard time hitting you but I haven't tried this with Guristas and their missiles.

I don't think that this fit will clear the Angel Extravaganza bonus room? In fact anything with a bunch of turrets I would be concerned with? Anything that ewars you so you can't target and then spawns warp disrupting frigates could get interesting pretty quickly like in the blockade?

5 DDA's is just plain crazy and a waste of a low slot

Tractor Beams aren't needed with the new Deployables, you can drop those and then come back with Noctis/Destroyer to mop up

Thanks for these fits. I'm not a new player and have excellent fitting skills for Caldari missile boats, but just have never flown a Raven. I'm looking to put one together though for my hisec alt to use. I'm also training up for a Domi and appreciate the fit ideas.

I have some questions on the Raven though.... The shield booster works well, but using it drops the cap down to a very short life. I understand that you are using the MJD to range tank so you hopefully don't need the booster that much, but still..... I've not yet flown a MJD so I am a complete noob to using it....

Also, I see you don't fit a TP? In my experience with Sleepers, a TP is a huge help with cruise missiles with anything smaller than a BS.

Isn't it better to use 2 rigors and 1 flare than all rigors?

Isn't it better to use 2 rigors and 1 flare than all rigors?

A classic question.

The answer is:
Rigors are always better, unless it is t2 flare vs t1 rigor, in which case the general consensus is on some boats a combo of 2x rigor and 1x t2 flare is better than 3x rigor. IIRC this was on CNR (have seen graphs). Generally a safe assumption is that rigors are always better for cruise missiles.

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Yeah, you get a bit of extra DPS from the fifth damage mod, but given that your variation in damage is greater than the benefit of the fifth mod, isn't an extra tank module in case of emergencies a better idea, especially since you're portraying these as newbie fits, and lack of experience can lead to errors which, with a thin-tanked gank boat, can leave one with a destroyed mission runner?

A well argumented point! Might as well comply.

I think I'll have an EANM there.

Very sensible, not over tanked, looks to make liberal use of dmg and projection/application mods, but not overly stacking penalized. +1

hello...i hope i'm asking right questions here hehe..

i'm still quite new in here..i have played eve on 2011 iirc..and just got back again

i was piloting drake before i left and now i made a new account still piloting drake...until now, i have enough ISK to get me a battleship..

i was thinking raven at first but recently i kinda tired with missiles and trying to get a new fresh air,either ship's design,playstyle,etc...

right now i'm interested with PVE only, and my eyes are set on both dominix and armageddon..although i prefer megathron to dominix purey because it's much cooler hahahahahaha...

so..any suggestion?

i'm looking for more challenging playstyle though

I would have made a new thread

For missions it would depend on what you want.

Dominix or Armageddon means lots of drone skills and can be fun. Expect to micro manage drones because they will take aggro.

Missiles can be boring but missions in general can be boring as well. Make sure you have good core and tanking skills before you get into a battleship. Do level 3's in a battlecruiser till you get them. You'll make more ISK as well.

I've heard that a T3 can be challenging since you have to kite a lot of DPS but I'm not sure since I don't fly one.

hmm..if it's like that then i prob take it slow and have raven for a while and see how it's fare..if i got bored i could always sell it and try another ships while making ISK along the way on my drake :D

from there, i might train for dom or arma along the way...somehow... hehehe

thanks a lot :D

All the fits in the OP are well suited for you I think. Pick one and go for it! Armageddon has the most potential of these ships but least upgrade: a cruise missile + sentry drone armageddon is quite good but there's not much to stretch those skills for later on. Raven upgrades to Golem which is really nice. Dominix upgrades to rattlesnake with missile skills much later on.

So wait, if from a dom to ratty is not a waste and instead of a valuable experience. Should i just go from drake to dom and then work my way up to ratty? I mean it's not a waste of time right? I'm not a hardcore player or grinder also hehe

So wait, if from a dom to ratty is not a waste and instead of a valuable experience. Should i just go from drake to dom and then work my way up to ratty? I mean it's not a waste of time right? I'm not a hardcore player or grinder also hehe

Missiles are a bad way to get into the game, simply due to the fact you need to branch out into E-war namely 'target painting'.
Everything about missiles costs more SP for less returns.
A total multiplier of 15x worth of skill multipliers, 8x is a month(2x=1 week of-course) at 'PERFECT' SP meaning optimal remap and 5+ implants so that is rather an optimistic 'best of' scenario.
Missile support 21x....Missile skills 18x......and then target painting 15x.. ofc it also doesn't open up any real capital weapons if you care.
Gunnery 18x... Gun skills 9x per faction guntype..
Specializations are the only thing created equal.