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Ramona McCandless
Red Federation
RvB - RED Federation
1345
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Posted - 2013.12.10 12:02:00 -
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I too miss my ship flying itself
and my Combat Computer which fought for me while I made some tea
Not to mention all my bots that ran the market
Oh wait
I dont
because this is EvE
FFS
High Priestess of The Temple of the Holy Amarr Suicide Cult of Haimeh
"You are, quite literally, the best person ever." --áDomanique Altares,-áRifterlings
"Send Ramona your ISK, and biomass." --áJarod Garamonde,-áSardaukar Merc Guild |
Peter Raptor
Galactic Hawks
582
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Posted - 2013.12.10 12:09:00 -
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Accelerate to full warp speed slowly, decelerate from full warp speed slowly, Eve is becoming MORE booooring for no apparent Reason at all, pointless, and itll just be another little "itch" that'll annoy people and eventually theyll throw in the towel
Evelopedia;-á
The Amarr Empire, is known for its omnipresent religion -áGÇá-á-á |
Casanunda
Church Of The Eternal Cosmic Confidence Trick
117
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Posted - 2013.12.10 12:24:00 -
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Peter Raptor wrote:Accelerate to full warp speed slowly, decelerate from full warp speed slowly, Eve is becoming MORE booooring for no apparent Reason at all, pointless, and itll just be another little "itch" that'll annoy people and eventually theyll throw in the towel You should lead by example, can I have your stuff? TYVM
The fact that I am not a gazillionaire Gallente aristocrat with the sexual capacity of a rutting rhino is a constant niggle. |
Jove Death
EVE Corporation 987654321-POP
The Marmite Collective
249
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Posted - 2013.12.10 12:32:00 -
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I think the changes are great.
If im in a chill out mood I use a battleship and I can gracefully land on the gate. ahhh the bliss and peace of it  .
The again I like using the interceptor more as the gate comes at you at like OMFG IM GONNA CRASH. For a split second you actually think your gonna go straight through it and at the very last second the brake hits, your face hits the screen and you fart a lil.
Totally awesome tbh 
ps sry too much coffee today
Quoting "you will die" in EvE is fail
Chars dont die in EvE. Unless you have a heart attack eek
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Onictus
Silver Snake Enterprise
Fatal Ascension
667
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Posted - 2013.12.10 12:57:00 -
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Ptraci wrote:Onictus wrote:
No its damn annoying.
Maybe you could use a set of implants to speed up your warp speed, then? Battleships are supposed to be slow. If it's so annoying then fly something smaller.
Wrong subject.
We were talking about HOW the ship comes out of warp on grid, as in impulse speed.
.....and have you looked at what Acendancy implants actually do for a battleship? I'll tell you, not a damn thing effectively, the best combination is HG ascends with a WS-618. That will get you a whopping 2.23AU (or something) its really a trivial advantage for a near 3bil isk clone, and I fight in bubbles 90% of the time, so that is out. |
Aurora Fatalis
Blacklight Recon
Mordus Angels
38
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Posted - 2013.12.10 13:05:00 -
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This is because they had to increase the time implanted and rigged inties and dictors were on grid before being able to tackle by at least one tick. They were in a state were you could be tackled between dscan cycles without the enemy ship showing up on dscan or even load on grid.
You'd get a warp error, see the tackle go up, and then the ship just *appear* in space. |
Sentient Blade
Crisis Atmosphere
1076
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Posted - 2013.12.10 13:14:00 -
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I agree with the sentiment of the OP.
The warp speed changes are fantastic. But the way you just kinda sit there for what seems like an eternity sliding along at [x] m/s because you're not under the low magical threshold is not a good change.
Keep the warp speed changes. Revert the other thing. |
Luwc
Easy Co.
Fatal Ascension
22
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Posted - 2013.12.10 13:21:00 -
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The new warp changes are awesome.
BuUuUuUuT(T)
WTF ON BATTLESHIPS AND UP.
This is really messed up CCP |
Lugalbandak
Anunnaku Warfare Corp.
275
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Posted - 2013.12.10 13:25:00 -
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Dextrome Thorphan wrote:Warp speed changes never made any sense to me. The acceleration changes, sure those makes perfect sense. But the warp changes... why would a little ship warp faster than a big ship? Wouldn't that big ship be able to install a much bigger, more efficient warp drive? I mean it's just very strange logic...
its a sub marine simulator , it makes perfect sense lol
The police horse is the only animal in the world that haz his male genitals on his back |
E-2C Hawkeye
State War Academy
Caldari State
351
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Posted - 2013.12.10 14:10:00 -
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Kagura Nikon wrote:Peter Raptor wrote:Lugalbandak wrote:Peter Raptor wrote:For ALLLL these years playing eve, I have gotten used to a ship coming outta warp when it reaches around 75% of its top speed,
Now it comes out of warp at around 20% of its top speed, not to mention larger ships basically CRAWL SLOWLY along
as they FINALLY come outta warp, I myself find this soo uselessly annoying...
Rubicon overall I like, but after making 30 jumps in a BS, I feel I'd be better off playing Space Invaders
Oh and have a nice day ... sorry BS, it was so stupid large ships almost as fast with warp and comming out of warp , now interceptors en tackling frigs does what tey should do YOU KNOW , Intercept & tackle If you doing 30 jumps in a BS , youdoing something utterly wrong I seee, youre not allowed to take a BS from point A to point B in Eve, you just build it where you want it right  You still whine too much. In red moon rising wer could NOT warp to zero. All warps were to 15 km and you had to slow boat for the gate. 30 Jumps would take 2 hour back then .
Yea I had to walk to school up hill both ways in the snow with no shoes......So what was your point? |
Abisha Baboli
6
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Posted - 2013.12.10 14:13:00 -
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why do it matters what speed you come out of warp??.
if you warp to gate/station you in docking range. |
Jasmine Assasin
State War Academy
Caldari State
129
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Posted - 2013.12.10 14:33:00 -
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My problem is, they made battleships slower than they need to be. Smaller ships are faster now, we don't need Battleships to move slower because it's pointless. All it does is penalize people for flying a certain type of ship.
The fact that some of you think bigger ships need to go slow so that your now faster than they were before ships can catch them is insane. If they gave battleships their 3 AU/sec warp back you could still catch them just fine.
Right now moving a BS around feels more like work than fun and that's a problem. Traveling is a means to an end, and that's how it should play out.
I'm not going to stop flying battleships either, It's the class I like and the reason I continue to play EVE. |
Markku Laaksonen
EVE University
Ivy League
225
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Posted - 2013.12.10 14:38:00 -
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Fr3akwave wrote:As far as i can see all except 2 or 3 people so far didnt even bother reading the OP.
I mean... how hard is it? He is NOT COMPLAINING ABOUT WARP SPEED CHANGES, but about changes made to the warp exiting mechanic AFTER the warp.
Before rubicon, ships warped (no matter how fast) and when they landed on grid decellerating, as soon as they hit 75% max speed they were considered out of warp and therefore able to jump, lock, being locked, whatever. Now that velocity is 20% which means a considerable amount of time just more or less standing still 50m away from the spot where you will finally land. I have noticed this too and find it quite annoying. I also dont understand the reason behind this specific detail. Luckily i dont fly anything bigger than a cruiser these days.
EVE player base reading comprehension is a special thing. We understand perfectly well what we see, we just see what we want to see. Quoting this to see if it gains any more traction. |
Ramona McCandless
Red Federation
RvB - RED Federation
1353
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Posted - 2013.12.10 14:39:00 -
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Jasmine Assasin wrote:My problem is, they made battleships slower than they need to be. Smaller ships are faster now, we don't need Battleships to move slower because it's pointless. All it does is penalize people for flying a certain type of ship.
Need?
WTF has need got to do with it.
Mind you, you do seem to understand by the last sentence
High Priestess of The Temple of the Holy Amarr Suicide Cult of Haimeh
"You are, quite literally, the best person ever." --áDomanique Altares,-áRifterlings
"Send Ramona your ISK, and biomass." --áJarod Garamonde,-áSardaukar Merc Guild |
Aramatheia
Tiffany and Co.
121
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Posted - 2013.12.10 14:56:00 -
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Abisha Baboli wrote:why do it matters what speed you come out of warp??.
if you warp to gate/station you in docking range.
but if you warp to anything else, you have to wait for you ship to drop to a very low percent of its base speed, only ythen can you activate your mwd/ab and any other non-warp active mods, as well as maneuver, and interact with anything else on field.
A ships warp speed isnt the issue.
A ships agility/align/ acceleration/deceleration speed isnt the issue.
A ships maximum straight line speed (not in warp) isnt the issue.
A ship having to wait untill its at 20% speed as opposed to the pre-rubicon 75% speed before being able to officialy "exit" warp is the issue. |
Xavier Higdon
Wolfbane Hauler Inc
216
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Posted - 2013.12.10 15:13:00 -
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EvE rewards those with patience, which most of you do not seem to have. Honestly, if waiting an extra couple of seconds is so horrible then either switch ships or stop playing. I fly a Raven or a Raven Navy Issue for all of my ISK making activities and I barely notice the change. Some times I'm even thankful for it, as I can assess the situation as I slow down. Like I said, 2 or 3 seconds is not an eternity, even over 50 jumps it'll only add up to a whole 2.5 minutes. If you can't wait 2 minutes, this isn't the game for you.
Wolfbane Hauler Inc
Looking For Combat And Industrial Pilots |
Ramona McCandless
Red Federation
RvB - RED Federation
1354
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Posted - 2013.12.10 15:14:00 -
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Aramatheia wrote:
A ship having to wait untill its at 20% speed as opposed to the pre-rubicon 75% speed before being able to officialy "exit" warp is the issue.
I too hate being targetting-immune for longer
High Priestess of The Temple of the Holy Amarr Suicide Cult of Haimeh
"You are, quite literally, the best person ever." --áDomanique Altares,-áRifterlings
"Send Ramona your ISK, and biomass." --áJarod Garamonde,-áSardaukar Merc Guild |
Aramatheia
Tiffany and Co.
122
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Posted - 2013.12.10 15:18:00 -
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Ramona McCandless wrote:Aramatheia wrote:
A ship having to wait untill its at 20% speed as opposed to the pre-rubicon 75% speed before being able to officialy "exit" warp is the issue.
I too hate being targetting-immune for longer
only when you do become targetable you are flatfooted at 20% speed, not 75, still a win? |
Onictus
Silver Snake Enterprise
Fatal Ascension
670
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Posted - 2013.12.10 15:55:00 -
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Xavier Higdon wrote:EvE rewards those with patience, which most of you do not seem to have. Honestly, if waiting an extra couple of seconds is so horrible then either switch ships or stop playing. I fly a Raven or a Raven Navy Issue for all of my ISK making activities and I barely notice the change. Some times I'm even thankful for it, as I can assess the situation as I slow down. Like I said, 2 or 3 seconds is not an eternity, even over 50 jumps it'll only add up to a whole 2.5 minutes. If you can't wait 2 minutes, this isn't the game for you.
Try it in 10% TiDi |
Ramona McCandless
Red Federation
RvB - RED Federation
1357
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Posted - 2013.12.10 15:56:00 -
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Aramatheia wrote:
only when you do become targetable you are flatfooted at 20% speed, not 75, still a win?
Yeah cos 20% of 109 over 75% makes such a massive difference in your transversal, quineg?
High Priestess of The Temple of the Holy Amarr Suicide Cult of Haimeh
"You are, quite literally, the best person ever." --áDomanique Altares,-áRifterlings
"Send Ramona your ISK, and biomass." --áJarod Garamonde,-áSardaukar Merc Guild |
Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
3781
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Posted - 2013.12.10 16:02:00 -
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Let me guess. You are jammed before launching drones meaning the drones don't fight back but you need to target someone, which you can't do, because you are jammed.
And turrets don't have "FOF ammo" while missiles still suck.
Might as well fly a stratios.
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Onictus
Silver Snake Enterprise
Fatal Ascension
670
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Posted - 2013.12.10 16:03:00 -
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Ramona McCandless wrote:Aramatheia wrote:
only when you do become targetable you are flatfooted at 20% speed, not 75, still a win?
Yeah cos 20% of 109 over 75% makes such a massive difference in your transversal, quineg?
No but it kills your align times, so you are stuck there signifcanly longer than you would be under the old systen, frigs don't notice, but its a pain in a plated battleship. |
Aramatheia
Tiffany and Co.
122
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Posted - 2013.12.10 16:08:00 -
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Ramona McCandless wrote:Aramatheia wrote:
only when you do become targetable you are flatfooted at 20% speed, not 75, still a win?
Yeah cos 20% of 109 over 75% makes such a massive difference in your transversal, quineg?
i dont fly battleships, i fly cruisers i like my speed it helps hostile things miss me more, so when im plopped out of warp and suddenly having to spool up from scratch... |
Ramona McCandless
Red Federation
RvB - RED Federation
1358
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Posted - 2013.12.10 16:08:00 -
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Aramatheia wrote:
i dont fly battleships, i fly cruisers i like my speed it helps hostile things miss me more, so when im plopped out of warp and suddenly having to spool up from scratch...
This change hasnt affected cruisers.
High Priestess of The Temple of the Holy Amarr Suicide Cult of Haimeh
"You are, quite literally, the best person ever." --áDomanique Altares,-áRifterlings
"Send Ramona your ISK, and biomass." --áJarod Garamonde,-áSardaukar Merc Guild |
Ramona McCandless
Red Federation
RvB - RED Federation
1358
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Posted - 2013.12.10 16:09:00 -
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Onictus wrote:
No but it kills your align times, so you are stuck there signifcanly longer than you would be under the old systen, frigs don't notice, but its a pain in a plated battleship.
Teach you to plan your jump properly then, wont it
High Priestess of The Temple of the Holy Amarr Suicide Cult of Haimeh
"You are, quite literally, the best person ever." --áDomanique Altares,-áRifterlings
"Send Ramona your ISK, and biomass." --áJarod Garamonde,-áSardaukar Merc Guild |
Slade Trillgon
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
1080
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Posted - 2013.12.10 16:11:00 -
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E-2C Hawkeye wrote:Kagura Nikon wrote:
You still whine too much. In red moon rising wer could NOT warp to zero. All warps were to 15 km and you had to slow boat for the gate. 30 Jumps would take 2 hour back then
.
Yea I had to walk to school up hill both ways in the snow with no shoes......So what was your point?
Maybe that what he said is true and he made a point that this is closer to what it used to be and that EvE needed a bit of slow down and you countered with an age old fallacy.
So what was your point? |
Aramatheia
Tiffany and Co.
122
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Posted - 2013.12.10 16:46:00 -
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Ramona McCandless wrote:Aramatheia wrote:
i dont fly battleships, i fly cruisers i like my speed it helps hostile things miss me more, so when im plopped out of warp and suddenly having to spool up from scratch...
This change hasnt affected cruisers.
umm im sorry, i fly cruiser hulls almost exclusively and i can confirm, without a shadow of doubt (heck i can log into eve right now and screenshot it for proof) that a cruiser, even a t3 cruiser, stays in "warp" untill its under 1/4th base speed |
Ginger Barbarella
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
1560
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Posted - 2013.12.10 16:52:00 -
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Fly a Crane. It's epically awesome. 
"Blow it all on Quafe and strippers." --- Sorlac |
Aramatheia
Tiffany and Co.
122
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Posted - 2013.12.10 17:05:00 -
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for posterity, i did log on my alt who also flies cruisers including tengu and legion, i took scome screenshots of coming out of warp, it just doesnt make sense for warp to end at 1/4 speed, it should end the moment the ship hits normal speed, but i'd be fine with 75% like it used to be, that still gave smaller ships ample advantage over a battleship even if the BS was already on grid ahead of time
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Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
4963
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Posted - 2013.12.10 17:15:00 -
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You're right, actually all ships should exit warp at zero speed, just to be fair. 
The argument that coming out at 20% as opposed to 75% speed hurts your align time is more than a bit silly. It might hurt your ability to get into warp if you are warping in the same direction as you were previously traveling, but in all other situations it actually helps your time to alignment and warp because your speed tends to work against you when you change directions when aligning.
Most often people are exiting warp, turning around, and warping back in the direction they came from. In this case having a slower exit speed is to your advantage.
To carve a successful niche for yourself in EVE you need to be able to out sell, out produce, out fight,-á out run, or out wit your competitors.
If you can do none of the above, your only option is to complain on the forums that somehow you are at a disadvantage using the exact same tool set-áas the rest of the player base. |
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