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Pew Terror
Blue Republic
RvB - BLUE Republic
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Posted - 2013.12.10 17:32:00 -
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HOW DARE THEM BALANCING GAMEPLAY! *SHAKES FIST* |
Xavier Higdon
Wolfbane Hauler Inc
217
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Posted - 2013.12.10 18:17:00 -
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Onictus wrote:Xavier Higdon wrote:EvE rewards those with patience, which most of you do not seem to have. Honestly, if waiting an extra couple of seconds is so horrible then either switch ships or stop playing. I fly a Raven or a Raven Navy Issue for all of my ISK making activities and I barely notice the change. Some times I'm even thankful for it, as I can assess the situation as I slow down. Like I said, 2 or 3 seconds is not an eternity, even over 50 jumps it'll only add up to a whole 2.5 minutes. If you can't wait 2 minutes, this isn't the game for you. Try it in 10% TiDi
How often do you encounter 50 jumps of 10% TiDi? Even if 10 systems are running at 10%, that's only 3 minutes and 20 seconds extra, which is, again, not an eternity. If you can't wait three minutes and 20 seconds you should probably find another game.
Wolfbane Hauler Inc
Looking For Combat And Industrial Pilots |
Mara Pahrdi
The Order of Anoyia
450
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Posted - 2013.12.10 19:57:00 -
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One of the best changes in the 3 years I play EVE now.
+1 CCP!
Remove insurance. |
Jenn aSide
STK Scientific
Initiative Mercenaries
3619
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Posted - 2013.12.10 20:02:00 -
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I don't really have anything to complain about with the warp changes and such (or whatever the OP is talking about). But as a matter or personal preference I would have set the "mid-point" higher when it comes to the changes.
As it is, the Cruisers see no change, everyting below a cruiser "warps faster" and everyting below "warps slower". I would have made the point of no change battleships. Everyting Below a Bs would warp faster, capital ships would warp slower.
Interceptors would still be able to "intercept" bigger ships and flying a Battleship in a system bigger than 6 Au across wouldn't feel like being a stunned snail with the flu lol. |
Peter Raptor
Galactic Hawks
595
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Posted - 2013.12.10 21:37:00 -
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People talk about how you have to have "patience" when playing eve, and thus these changes are good for large ships,
that's just ridiculous, why dont we just make BSs move like freighters right, cos patience is a virtue right?
Its a pointless change, cos as already pointed out, frigs could already warp faster then BSs before rubicon,
I personally have yet to see ONE instance of these changes helping frigs kill ONE BS, that they otherwise would NOT have caught before Rubicon, this is all a farce...
Evelopedia;-á
The Amarr Empire, is known for its omnipresent religion -áGÇá-á-á |
Streya Jormagdnir
Alexylva Paradox
225
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Posted - 2013.12.10 22:17:00 -
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I love catching prey after I watch them warp and I land first. One of the best changes yet!
I am also a human, straggling between the present world... and our future. I am a regulator, a coordinator, one who is meant to guide the way.
Destination Unreachable: the worst Wspace blog ever |
Onictus
Silver Snake Enterprise
Fatal Ascension
674
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Posted - 2013.12.10 23:07:00 -
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Xavier Higdon wrote:Onictus wrote:Xavier Higdon wrote:EvE rewards those with patience, which most of you do not seem to have. Honestly, if waiting an extra couple of seconds is so horrible then either switch ships or stop playing. I fly a Raven or a Raven Navy Issue for all of my ISK making activities and I barely notice the change. Some times I'm even thankful for it, as I can assess the situation as I slow down. Like I said, 2 or 3 seconds is not an eternity, even over 50 jumps it'll only add up to a whole 2.5 minutes. If you can't wait 2 minutes, this isn't the game for you. Try it in 10% TiDi How often do you encounter 50 jumps of 10% TiDi? Even if 10 systems are running at 10%, that's only 3 minutes and 20 seconds extra, which is, again, not an eternity. If you can't wait three minutes and 20 seconds you should probably find another game.
I LOVE being on grid for 30 seconds before I can do anything, I'm not talking about warping system to system, I'm taking about in combat. Because if you have ever seen a real fleet flight by the time you park on a grid you are either dead, or someone else is about to be. Usually its constant re-warps and manuvering for positions.
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Frostys Virpio
Lame Corp Name
787
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Posted - 2013.12.10 23:43:00 -
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How about 75% so you exit warp at the same speed you enter warp? Wouldn't that make sense? |
Infinity Ziona
Cloakers
962
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Posted - 2013.12.11 00:55:00 -
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Hate to agree with Jenn but yeah. Set the nochange at Battleships ffs. Almost like the devs don't play EvE at all or at least never used a battleship. |
James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation
Goonswarm Federation
6867
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Posted - 2013.12.11 01:15:00 -
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Xavier Higdon wrote:Onictus wrote:Xavier Higdon wrote:EvE rewards those with patience, which most of you do not seem to have. Honestly, if waiting an extra couple of seconds is so horrible then either switch ships or stop playing. I fly a Raven or a Raven Navy Issue for all of my ISK making activities and I barely notice the change. Some times I'm even thankful for it, as I can assess the situation as I slow down. Like I said, 2 or 3 seconds is not an eternity, even over 50 jumps it'll only add up to a whole 2.5 minutes. If you can't wait 2 minutes, this isn't the game for you. Try it in 10% TiDi How often do you encounter 50 jumps of 10% TiDi? Even if 10 systems are running at 10%, that's only 3 minutes and 20 seconds extra, which is, again, not an eternity. If you can't wait three minutes and 20 seconds you should probably find another game.
There's probably something seriously wrong with your math if you think it's only three minutes and 20 seconds.
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James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation
Goonswarm Federation
6867
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Posted - 2013.12.11 01:20:00 -
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James Amril-Kesh wrote:Xavier Higdon wrote:Onictus wrote:Xavier Higdon wrote:EvE rewards those with patience, which most of you do not seem to have. Honestly, if waiting an extra couple of seconds is so horrible then either switch ships or stop playing. I fly a Raven or a Raven Navy Issue for all of my ISK making activities and I barely notice the change. Some times I'm even thankful for it, as I can assess the situation as I slow down. Like I said, 2 or 3 seconds is not an eternity, even over 50 jumps it'll only add up to a whole 2.5 minutes. If you can't wait 2 minutes, this isn't the game for you. Try it in 10% TiDi How often do you encounter 50 jumps of 10% TiDi? Even if 10 systems are running at 10%, that's only 3 minutes and 20 seconds extra, which is, again, not an eternity. If you can't wait three minutes and 20 seconds you should probably find another game. There's probably something seriously wrong with your math if you think it's only three minutes and 20 seconds.
10 warps, let's say an average of 50 AU.
Using this chart:
50 AU warp takes 22 seconds longer than Pre-Rubicon.
10 jumps at 100% tidi (no tidi) takes 3 minutes, 40 seconds longer.
Which means that 10 jumps at 10% tidi takes about 36 minutes, 40 seconds longer.
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Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
14818
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Posted - 2013.12.11 01:27:00 -
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Xavier Higdon wrote:
How often do you encounter 50 jumps of 10% TiDi? Even if 10 systems are running at 10%, that's only 3 minutes and 20 seconds extra, which is, again, not an eternity. If you can't wait three minutes and 20 seconds you should probably find another game.
10% TiDi means that the game is running at effectively 10% of normal speed in the affected systems, it's also as low as TiDi goes IIRC. Your guesstimate is for approx. 90% Tidi.
Malcanis' Law - Whenever a mechanics change is proposed on behalf of new players, that change is always to the overwhelming advantage of richer, older players. The corollary is that when new players propose a change, they invariably lack the experience and insight to see how the change would again be exploited by older players far more efficiently than themselves. |
Tuggboat
Oneida Inc.
55
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Posted - 2013.12.11 04:38:00 -
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Stealth Incursion Nerf |
Peter Raptor
Galactic Hawks
599
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Posted - 2013.12.11 04:42:00 -
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Tuggboat wrote:Stealth Incursion Nerf
It seems like a nerf to the entire game really
Evelopedia;-á
The Amarr Empire, is known for its omnipresent religion -áGÇá-á-á |
James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation
Goonswarm Federation
6869
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Posted - 2013.12.11 04:54:00 -
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I'd be okay with battleships warping slightly slower than they did before. However as slow as they are now is ridiculous. It's not as if they were the cream of the crop beforehand. The nerf really wasn't something they needed.
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Lugalbandak
Anunnaku Warfare Corp.
277
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Posted - 2013.12.11 08:30:00 -
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Peter Raptor wrote:Lugalbandak wrote:Peter Raptor wrote:For ALLLL these years playing eve, I have gotten used to a ship coming outta warp when it reaches around 75% of its top speed,
Now it comes out of warp at around 20% of its top speed, not to mention larger ships basically CRAWL SLOWLY along
as they FINALLY come outta warp, I myself find this soo uselessly annoying...
Rubicon overall I like, but after making 30 jumps in a BS, I feel I'd be better off playing Space Invaders
Oh and have a nice day ... sorry BS, it was so stupid large ships almost as fast with warp and comming out of warp , now interceptors en tackling frigs does what tey should do YOU KNOW , Intercept & tackle If you doing 30 jumps in a BS , youdoing something utterly wrong I seee, youre not allowed to take a BS from point A to point B in Eve, you just build it where you want it right 
ofcourse its allowed , bs are just one of the worst ships to travle with
The police horse is the only animal in the world that haz his male genitals on his back |
Peter Raptor
Galactic Hawks
599
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Posted - 2013.12.11 09:41:00 -
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Lugalbandak wrote:Peter Raptor wrote:Lugalbandak wrote:Peter Raptor wrote:For ALLLL these years playing eve, I have gotten used to a ship coming outta warp when it reaches around 75% of its top speed,
Now it comes out of warp at around 20% of its top speed, not to mention larger ships basically CRAWL SLOWLY along
as they FINALLY come outta warp, I myself find this soo uselessly annoying...
Rubicon overall I like, but after making 30 jumps in a BS, I feel I'd be better off playing Space Invaders
Oh and have a nice day ... sorry BS, it was so stupid large ships almost as fast with warp and comming out of warp , now interceptors en tackling frigs does what tey should do YOU KNOW , Intercept & tackle If you doing 30 jumps in a BS , youdoing something utterly wrong I seee, youre not allowed to take a BS from point A to point B in Eve, you just build it where you want it right ofcourse its allowed , bs are just one of the worst ships to travle with
Oh man, you make it sound like people in eve travel in Battleships ONLY cos they want to go sight seeing
Evelopedia;-á
The Amarr Empire, is known for its omnipresent religion -áGÇá-á-á |
James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation
Goonswarm Federation
6875
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Posted - 2013.12.11 09:47:00 -
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BS SHUD B RLY SLOW CUZ THEIR BIG N STUFF
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Dextrome Thorphan
RvB - RED Federation
40
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Posted - 2013.12.11 10:02:00 -
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Kagura Nikon wrote:Dextrome Thorphan wrote:Warp speed changes never made any sense to me. The acceleration changes, sure those makes perfect sense. But the warp changes... why would a little ship warp faster than a big ship? Wouldn't that big ship be able to install a much bigger, more efficient warp drive? I mean it's just very strange logic... Because a speedboat is so much slower than a oil transport ship of 200 thousand tons...
Uhm we're talking about space, not water. |
Ramona McCandless
Red Federation
RvB - RED Federation
1369
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Posted - 2013.12.11 10:08:00 -
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Peter Raptor wrote:Oh man, you make it sound like people in eve travel in Battleships ONLY cos they want to go sight seeing
No, he doesnt
You just decided to read it that way
High Priestess of The Temple of the Holy Amarr Suicide Cult of Haimeh
"You are, quite literally, the best person ever." --áDomanique Altares,-áRifterlings
"Send Ramona your ISK, and biomass." --áJarod Garamonde,-áSardaukar Merc Guild |
Peter Raptor
Galactic Hawks
600
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Posted - 2013.12.11 10:32:00 -
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James Amril-Kesh wrote:BS SHUD B RLY SLOW CUZ THEIR BIG N STUFF
So why not just make them practically unmovable? Better still, lets just phase em outta the game completely
Evelopedia;-á
The Amarr Empire, is known for its omnipresent religion -áGÇá-á-á |
Kagura Nikon
Mentally Assured Destruction
The Pursuit of Happiness
907
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Posted - 2013.12.11 10:52:00 -
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Dextrome Thorphan wrote:Kagura Nikon wrote:Dextrome Thorphan wrote:Warp speed changes never made any sense to me. The acceleration changes, sure those makes perfect sense. But the warp changes... why would a little ship warp faster than a big ship? Wouldn't that big ship be able to install a much bigger, more efficient warp drive? I mean it's just very strange logic... Because a speedboat is so much slower than a oil transport ship of 200 thousand tons... Uhm we're talking about space, not water.
BATTLESHIP.... CRUISER, Battlecruiser... aa yeah.. no correlation at all.
"If brute force does not solve your problem..... -áthen you are -ásurely not using enough!" |
James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation
Goonswarm Federation
6877
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Posted - 2013.12.11 10:54:00 -
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Peter Raptor wrote:James Amril-Kesh wrote:BS SHUD B RLY SLOW CUZ THEIR BIG N STUFF So why not just make them practically unmovable? Better still, lets just phase em outta the game completely
lol bastion module
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Kagura Nikon
Mentally Assured Destruction
The Pursuit of Happiness
907
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Posted - 2013.12.11 10:55:00 -
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Peter Raptor wrote:Accelerate to full warp speed slowly, decelerate from full warp speed slowly, Eve is becoming MORE booooring for no apparent Reason at all, pointless, and itll just be another little "itch" that'll annoy people and eventually theyll throw in the towel
For a lot of reasons, You just decide to ignore those reasons. Its to increase the tactical relevance of preemptive positioning of larger ships, and make fast deployment a nearly exclusive capability of smaller ships.
Just because you do not participate in the MAIN PART OF THE GAME, PVP does nto mean there is not a reason.
PVP balance should always come before PVE balance (because only PVE people fly only in battleships around all the time).
"If brute force does not solve your problem..... -áthen you are -ásurely not using enough!" |
James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation
Goonswarm Federation
6877
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Posted - 2013.12.11 10:55:00 -
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Kagura Nikon wrote:Dextrome Thorphan wrote:Kagura Nikon wrote:Dextrome Thorphan wrote:Warp speed changes never made any sense to me. The acceleration changes, sure those makes perfect sense. But the warp changes... why would a little ship warp faster than a big ship? Wouldn't that big ship be able to install a much bigger, more efficient warp drive? I mean it's just very strange logic... Because a speedboat is so much slower than a oil transport ship of 200 thousand tons... Uhm we're talking about space, not water. BATTLESHIP.... CRUISER, Battlecruiser... aa yeah.. no correlation at all.
Actually I've read somewhere that at one point (maybe this is still true, I don't know) larger naval ships can go faster than smaller ones because their greater mass allows them to cut through water better.
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Ramona McCandless
Red Federation
RvB - RED Federation
1370
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Posted - 2013.12.11 10:59:00 -
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Kagura Nikon wrote:
PVP balance should always come before PVE balance (because only PVE people fly only in battleships around all the time).
I thought PvE people only flew Ravens with minimum skills or badlly fitted Tengus
Wait, this is 2011, right?
High Priestess of The Temple of the Holy Amarr Suicide Cult of Haimeh
"You are, quite literally, the best person ever." --áDomanique Altares,-áRifterlings
"Send Ramona your ISK, and biomass." --áJarod Garamonde,-áSardaukar Merc Guild |
James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation
Goonswarm Federation
6879
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Posted - 2013.12.11 11:01:00 -
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Kagura Nikon wrote:Peter Raptor wrote:Accelerate to full warp speed slowly, decelerate from full warp speed slowly, Eve is becoming MORE booooring for no apparent Reason at all, pointless, and itll just be another little "itch" that'll annoy people and eventually theyll throw in the towel For a lot of reasons, You just decide to ignore those reasons. Its to increase the tactical relevance of preemptive positioning of larger ships, and make fast deployment a nearly exclusive capability of smaller ships. Just because you do not participate in the MAIN PART OF THE GAME, PVP does nto mean there is not a reason. PVP balance should always come before PVE balance (because only PVE people fly only in battleships around all the time).
You're of course disregarding that we could have it both ways.
We could have battleships warp almost as they did before and preserve both of these things.
I mean come on, it's not like battleships were fast to get around in to begin with.
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