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Peter Raptor
Galactic Hawks
576
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Posted - 2013.12.10 05:37:00 -
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For ALLLL these years playing eve, I have gotten used to a ship coming outta warp when it reaches around 75% of its top speed,
Now it comes out of warp at around 20% of its top speed, not to mention larger ships basically CRAWL SLOWLY along
as they FINALLY come outta warp, I myself find this soo uselessly annoying...
Rubicon overall I like, but after making 30 jumps in a BS, I feel I'd be better off playing Space Invaders
Oh and have a nice day ... Evelopedia;-á
The Amarr Empire, is known for its omnipresent religion -áGÇá-á-á |

Roime
Quantum Cats Syndicate Samurai Pizza Cats
3784
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Posted - 2013.12.10 05:44:00 -
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Yep, this wasn't a very good change. Fix Faction Warfare - introduce timer rollbacks |

Rin Valador
Praetorian Auxiliary Force Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
20
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Posted - 2013.12.10 05:55:00 -
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Roime wrote:Yep, this wasn't a very good change.
It was a fantastic change. "There will be neither compassion nor mercy; Nor peace, nor solace For those who bear witness to these Signs And still do not believe." - The Scriptures, Book of Reclaiming 25:10 |

Onictus
Silver Snake Enterprise Fatal Ascension
663
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Posted - 2013.12.10 05:59:00 -
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Rin Valador wrote:Roime wrote:Yep, this wasn't a very good change. It was a fantastic change.
No its damn annoying. |

Don Purple
The Zen Of Lez
129
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Posted - 2013.12.10 06:02:00 -
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It is amazing watching a target warp to a gate, fallow after him and land before him because you know... you're in a faster ship. |

Ptraci
3 R Corporation Boarderline Cartel
1443
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Posted - 2013.12.10 06:11:00 -
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Onictus wrote: No its damn annoying.
Maybe you could use a set of implants to speed up your warp speed, then? Battleships are supposed to be slow. If it's so annoying then fly something smaller. |

Peter Raptor
Galactic Hawks
576
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Posted - 2013.12.10 06:54:00 -
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A very minor insignificant tactical advantage for small ships, and the ENTIRE EVE universe has to be burdened with it, ridiculous! Evelopedia;-á
The Amarr Empire, is known for its omnipresent religion -áGÇá-á-á |

Roime
Quantum Cats Syndicate Samurai Pizza Cats
3786
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Posted - 2013.12.10 06:59:00 -
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Hey I absolutely love the warp speed changes, but this is a separate issue.
You used to jump through a stargate at much higher speed than now. Fix Faction Warfare - introduce timer rollbacks |

Tul Breetai
Impromptu Asset Requisition Insurance Fraud.
440
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Posted - 2013.12.10 07:44:00 -
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Peter Raptor wrote:Now it comes out of warp at around 20% of its top speed, Seriously people, how ******* hard is it to read. There's nothing worse than an EVE player, generally considered to be top of the food chain in the MMO world, that cannot smacktalk with wit and coherency. |

Lugalbandak
Anunnaku Warfare Corp.
273
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Posted - 2013.12.10 07:46:00 -
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Peter Raptor wrote:For ALLLL these years playing eve, I have gotten used to a ship coming outta warp when it reaches around 75% of its top speed,
Now it comes out of warp at around 20% of its top speed, not to mention larger ships basically CRAWL SLOWLY along
as they FINALLY come outta warp, I myself find this soo uselessly annoying...
Rubicon overall I like, but after making 30 jumps in a BS, I feel I'd be better off playing Space Invaders
Oh and have a nice day ...
sorry BS, it was so stupid large ships almost as fast with warp and comming out of warp , now interceptors en tackling frigs does what tey should do YOU KNOW , Intercept & tackle
If you doing 30 jumps in a BS , youdoing something utterly wrong The police horse is the only animal in the world that haz his male genitals on his back |

Aramatheia
Tiffany and Co.
120
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Posted - 2013.12.10 07:55:00 -
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haha yes i hate this just because it ruins how i have learned to fly for the past 2 and a half years. After such time all the sudden having whats normal gone and replaced with something else seems so anoying, maybe in a month or 2 we'll all have forgotten about the glory of dropping from warp at 70% speed
and then in a few more years when they make coming from warp = complete standstill, we'll be right be here going "wait, what?!" |

Peter Raptor
Galactic Hawks
578
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Posted - 2013.12.10 07:57:00 -
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Lugalbandak wrote:Peter Raptor wrote:For ALLLL these years playing eve, I have gotten used to a ship coming outta warp when it reaches around 75% of its top speed,
Now it comes out of warp at around 20% of its top speed, not to mention larger ships basically CRAWL SLOWLY along
as they FINALLY come outta warp, I myself find this soo uselessly annoying...
Rubicon overall I like, but after making 30 jumps in a BS, I feel I'd be better off playing Space Invaders
Oh and have a nice day ... sorry BS, it was so stupid large ships almost as fast with warp and comming out of warp , now interceptors en tackling frigs does what tey should do YOU KNOW , Intercept & tackle If you doing 30 jumps in a BS , youdoing something utterly wrong
I seee, youre not allowed to take a BS from point A to point B in Eve, you just build it where you want it right  Evelopedia;-á
The Amarr Empire, is known for its omnipresent religion -áGÇá-á-á |

Peter Raptor
Galactic Hawks
578
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Posted - 2013.12.10 08:00:00 -
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Aramatheia wrote:haha yes i hate this just because it ruins how i have learned to fly for the past 2 and a half years. After such time all the sudden having whats normal gone and replaced with something else seems so anoying, maybe in a month or 2 we'll all have forgotten about the glory of dropping from warp at 70% speed
and then in a few more years when they make coming from warp = complete standstill, we'll be right back here going "wait, what?!"
FYI - i am one of the few who seems to understand OP - post is not about BS warp speed going from 3au/s to 2 au/s its about any ship having to decelerate to less than 1/4th normal flight speed before attaining the ability to do anything ie "exiting warp mode"
If you get enough little annoying things in a game, you'll just play it less, I mean a game is supposed to be fun, interesting, etc, not annoying like being stuck in a traffic jam, and that is what EVE feels like atm
Evelopedia;-á
The Amarr Empire, is known for its omnipresent religion -áGÇá-á-á |

seth Hendar
I love you miners
260
|
Posted - 2013.12.10 09:01:00 -
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Peter Raptor wrote:Aramatheia wrote:haha yes i hate this just because it ruins how i have learned to fly for the past 2 and a half years. After such time all the sudden having whats normal gone and replaced with something else seems so anoying, maybe in a month or 2 we'll all have forgotten about the glory of dropping from warp at 70% speed
and then in a few more years when they make coming from warp = complete standstill, we'll be right back here going "wait, what?!"
FYI - i am one of the few who seems to understand OP - post is not about BS warp speed going from 3au/s to 2 au/s its about any ship having to decelerate to less than 1/4th normal flight speed before attaining the ability to do anything ie "exiting warp mode" If you get enough little annoying things in a game, you'll just play it less, I mean a game is supposed to be fun, interesting, etc, not annoying like being stuck in a traffic jam, and that is what EVE feels like atm agreed, on this very same list is the sensor overlay.
i can't stand this crap anymore, it's like a constant "hey look our awesome explo", when they actually killed the explo.
and this every single time i jump / undock... |

The Zetin Sunn
1st Armored Division
3
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Posted - 2013.12.10 09:16:00 -
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Its like Daily Mail in here. Outrage over such a minor thing.
if flying a bs is as unbearable as you say it is, don't fly them. The changes the op is unhappy about sorta makes sense, but the rest of the whine is just people upset because the way they play the game might have to change and they'd rather it stay the same because its comfortable.
Don't fly BS 30 jumps or failing that, biomass yourself |

I Love Boobies
All Hail Boobies
763
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Posted - 2013.12.10 09:21:00 -
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I don't have any real issues with the warp changes. Sure, takes longer in a Battleship, but battleships should be slower than smaller ships. |

Mayhaw Morgan
State War Academy Caldari State
154
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Posted - 2013.12.10 09:46:00 -
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inertia stabilizer C'mon! That was easy. |

Kagura Nikon
Mentally Assured Destruction The Pursuit of Happiness
893
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Posted - 2013.12.10 09:50:00 -
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Peter Raptor wrote:A very minor insignificant tactical advantage for small ships, and the ENTIRE EVE universe has to be burdened with it, ridiculous!
INSIGNIFICANT? That alone is more powerful than any buff ever made to any ship in eve history!!!
The values for some ships might need tunning. But overall things feel much better. Still think coimmand ships should go same speed as cruisers, otherwise they loose all their thing if they cannto keep up with the ships they are trying to boost. "If brute force does not solve your problem..... -áthen you are -ásurely not using enough!" |

Infinity Ziona
Cloakers
957
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Posted - 2013.12.10 09:51:00 -
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I Love Boobies wrote:I don't have any real issues with the warp changes. Sure, takes longer in a Battleship, but battleships should be slower than smaller ships. Yeah I miss my old pre-rebicon faster than smaller ship battleships... rest in peace battleceptors. |

Kagura Nikon
Mentally Assured Destruction The Pursuit of Happiness
893
|
Posted - 2013.12.10 09:52:00 -
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Peter Raptor wrote:Lugalbandak wrote:Peter Raptor wrote:For ALLLL these years playing eve, I have gotten used to a ship coming outta warp when it reaches around 75% of its top speed,
Now it comes out of warp at around 20% of its top speed, not to mention larger ships basically CRAWL SLOWLY along
as they FINALLY come outta warp, I myself find this soo uselessly annoying...
Rubicon overall I like, but after making 30 jumps in a BS, I feel I'd be better off playing Space Invaders
Oh and have a nice day ... sorry BS, it was so stupid large ships almost as fast with warp and comming out of warp , now interceptors en tackling frigs does what tey should do YOU KNOW , Intercept & tackle If you doing 30 jumps in a BS , youdoing something utterly wrong I seee, youre not allowed to take a BS from point A to point B in Eve, you just build it where you want it right 
You still whine too much. In red moon rising wer could NOT warp to zero. All warps were to 15 km and you had to slow boat for the gate. 30 Jumps would take 2 hour back then
Eve travel time was too FAST before rubicon for larger ships.
THey just undone some MISTAKE of making too fast to move large ships. I just hope they do the same with capital ships. "If brute force does not solve your problem..... -áthen you are -ásurely not using enough!" |

Muad 'dib
The Imperial Fedaykin Amarrian Commandos
1293
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Posted - 2013.12.10 09:57:00 -
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just another reason not to fly BS :) Cosmic signature detected. . . . http://i.imgur.com/Z7NfIS6.jpg
I got 99 likes, and this post aint one.
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Infinity Ziona
Cloakers
957
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Posted - 2013.12.10 09:58:00 -
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Kagura Nikon wrote:Peter Raptor wrote:Lugalbandak wrote:Peter Raptor wrote:For ALLLL these years playing eve, I have gotten used to a ship coming outta warp when it reaches around 75% of its top speed,
Now it comes out of warp at around 20% of its top speed, not to mention larger ships basically CRAWL SLOWLY along
as they FINALLY come outta warp, I myself find this soo uselessly annoying...
Rubicon overall I like, but after making 30 jumps in a BS, I feel I'd be better off playing Space Invaders
Oh and have a nice day ... sorry BS, it was so stupid large ships almost as fast with warp and comming out of warp , now interceptors en tackling frigs does what tey should do YOU KNOW , Intercept & tackle If you doing 30 jumps in a BS , youdoing something utterly wrong I seee, youre not allowed to take a BS from point A to point B in Eve, you just build it where you want it right  You still whine too much. In red moon rising wer could NOT warp to zero. All warps were to 15 km and you had to slow boat for the gate. 30 Jumps would take 2 hour back then Eve travel time was too FAST before rubicon for larger ships. THey just undone some MISTAKE of making too fast to move large ships. I just hope they do the same with capital ships. This.... is crap.
They were not too fast lol. Battleships were slow as hell. 10.5 second align time on every gate jump vs 3 seconds or less for a frig is 3 times as slow. Now they're even slower.
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Fr3akwave
Space Road Truckers.
9
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Posted - 2013.12.10 10:22:00 -
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As far as i can see all except 2 or 3 people so far didnt even bother reading the OP.
I mean... how hard is it? He is NOT COMPLAINING ABOUT WARP SPEED CHANGES, but about changes made to the warp exiting mechanic AFTER the warp.
Before rubicon, ships warped (no matter how fast) and when they landed on grid decellerating, as soon as they hit 75% max speed they were considered out of warp and therefore able to jump, lock, being locked, whatever. Now that velocity is 20% which means a considerable amount of time just more or less standing still 50m away from the spot where you will finally land. I have noticed this too and find it quite annoying. I also dont understand the reason behind this specific detail. Luckily i dont fly anything bigger than a cruiser these days. |

Dextrome Thorphan
RvB - RED Federation
36
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Posted - 2013.12.10 10:41:00 -
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Warp speed changes never made any sense to me. The acceleration changes, sure those makes perfect sense. But the warp changes... why would a little ship warp faster than a big ship? Wouldn't that big ship be able to install a much bigger, more efficient warp drive? I mean it's just very strange logic... |

Dextrome Thorphan
RvB - RED Federation
36
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Posted - 2013.12.10 10:42:00 -
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Peter Raptor wrote:For ALLLL these years playing eve, I have gotten used to a ship coming outta warp when it reaches around 75% of its top speed,
Now it comes out of warp at around 20% of its top speed
Yea that really is ******** and they never mentioned anything about that sneaky bastards |

Kagura Nikon
Mentally Assured Destruction The Pursuit of Happiness
893
|
Posted - 2013.12.10 10:46:00 -
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Infinity Ziona wrote:Kagura Nikon wrote:Peter Raptor wrote:Lugalbandak wrote:Peter Raptor wrote:For ALLLL these years playing eve, I have gotten used to a ship coming outta warp when it reaches around 75% of its top speed,
Now it comes out of warp at around 20% of its top speed, not to mention larger ships basically CRAWL SLOWLY along
as they FINALLY come outta warp, I myself find this soo uselessly annoying...
Rubicon overall I like, but after making 30 jumps in a BS, I feel I'd be better off playing Space Invaders
Oh and have a nice day ... sorry BS, it was so stupid large ships almost as fast with warp and comming out of warp , now interceptors en tackling frigs does what tey should do YOU KNOW , Intercept & tackle If you doing 30 jumps in a BS , youdoing something utterly wrong I seee, youre not allowed to take a BS from point A to point B in Eve, you just build it where you want it right  You still whine too much. In red moon rising wer could NOT warp to zero. All warps were to 15 km and you had to slow boat for the gate. 30 Jumps would take 2 hour back then Eve travel time was too FAST before rubicon for larger ships. THey just undone some MISTAKE of making too fast to move large ships. I just hope they do the same with capital ships. This.... is crap. They were not too fast lol. Battleships were slow as hell. 10.5 second align time on every gate jump vs 3 seconds or less for a frig is 3 times as slow. Now they're even slower.
TOO FAST. Crossign universe should not be something you do with a large ship at whim. !!! I miss the old times when crossing new eden was a whoel afternoon, that made conflicts, markets and locals way more regional.
"If brute force does not solve your problem..... -áthen you are -ásurely not using enough!" |

Kagura Nikon
Mentally Assured Destruction The Pursuit of Happiness
893
|
Posted - 2013.12.10 10:47:00 -
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Dextrome Thorphan wrote:Warp speed changes never made any sense to me. The acceleration changes, sure those makes perfect sense. But the warp changes... why would a little ship warp faster than a big ship? Wouldn't that big ship be able to install a much bigger, more efficient warp drive? I mean it's just very strange logic...
Because a speedboat is so much slower than a oil transport ship of 200 thousand tons... "If brute force does not solve your problem..... -áthen you are -ásurely not using enough!" |

Yarda Black
Epidemic. Spaceship Samurai
1
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Posted - 2013.12.10 11:00:00 -
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I can see why this is annoying. The first few times I thought my ship was stuck. I got used to it now.
Personally I'm still pissed about the slow gate jumping. I sometimes press jump 5 times just to get through instead of just sitting there waiting for anything to happen. Maybe its just perception, but I feel something is going wrong while jumping through a stargate lately. |

Lucia Severasse
TEC-NOLOGY Sorry We're In Your Space Eh
1
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Posted - 2013.12.10 11:57:00 -
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i also feel the effect in BCs too, i agree that bigger ships should be slower but i think as with alot of ccp changes in the passed they tend to go from one extreme to another. a slight adjustment would be the middle ground where people could feel comfortable flying BC / BS 10 jumps or so. as it stands warping gate to gate feels like watching paint dry. |

Eugene Kerner
TunDraGon
925
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Posted - 2013.12.10 11:59:00 -
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Peter Raptor wrote:For ALLLL these years playing eve, I have gotten used to a ship coming outta warp when it reaches around 75% of its top speed,
Now it comes out of warp at around 20% of its top speed, not to mention larger ships basically CRAWL SLOWLY along
as they FINALLY come outta warp, I myself find this soo uselessly annoying...
Rubicon overall I like, but after making 30 jumps in a BS, I feel I'd be better off playing Space Invaders
Oh and have a nice day ... I actually like it.
"Also, your boobs " -á CCP Eterne, 2012
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Ramona McCandless
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
1345
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Posted - 2013.12.10 12:02:00 -
[31] - Quote
I too miss my ship flying itself
and my Combat Computer which fought for me while I made some tea
Not to mention all my bots that ran the market
Oh wait
I dont
because this is EvE
FFS High Priestess of The Temple of the Holy Amarr Suicide Cult of Haimeh "You are, quite literally, the best person ever." --áDomanique Altares,-áRifterlings "Send Ramona your ISK, and biomass." --áJarod Garamonde,-áSardaukar Merc Guild |

Peter Raptor
Galactic Hawks
582
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Posted - 2013.12.10 12:09:00 -
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Accelerate to full warp speed slowly, decelerate from full warp speed slowly, Eve is becoming MORE booooring for no apparent Reason at all, pointless, and itll just be another little "itch" that'll annoy people and eventually theyll throw in the towel Evelopedia;-á
The Amarr Empire, is known for its omnipresent religion -áGÇá-á-á |

Casanunda
Church Of The Eternal Cosmic Confidence Trick
117
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Posted - 2013.12.10 12:24:00 -
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Peter Raptor wrote:Accelerate to full warp speed slowly, decelerate from full warp speed slowly, Eve is becoming MORE booooring for no apparent Reason at all, pointless, and itll just be another little "itch" that'll annoy people and eventually theyll throw in the towel You should lead by example, can I have your stuff? TYVM
The fact that I am not a gazillionaire Gallente aristocrat with the sexual capacity of a rutting rhino is a constant niggle. |

Jove Death
EVE Corporation 987654321-POP The Marmite Collective
249
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Posted - 2013.12.10 12:32:00 -
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I think the changes are great.
If im in a chill out mood I use a battleship and I can gracefully land on the gate. ahhh the bliss and peace of it .
The again I like using the interceptor more as the gate comes at you at like OMFG IM GONNA CRASH. For a split second you actually think your gonna go straight through it and at the very last second the brake hits, your face hits the screen and you fart a lil.
Totally awesome tbh 
ps sry too much coffee today Quoting "you will die" in EvE is fail Chars dont die in EvE. Unless you have a heart attack eek
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Onictus
Silver Snake Enterprise Fatal Ascension
667
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Posted - 2013.12.10 12:57:00 -
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Ptraci wrote:Onictus wrote: No its damn annoying.
Maybe you could use a set of implants to speed up your warp speed, then? Battleships are supposed to be slow. If it's so annoying then fly something smaller.
Wrong subject.
We were talking about HOW the ship comes out of warp on grid, as in impulse speed.
.....and have you looked at what Acendancy implants actually do for a battleship? I'll tell you, not a damn thing effectively, the best combination is HG ascends with a WS-618. That will get you a whopping 2.23AU (or something) its really a trivial advantage for a near 3bil isk clone, and I fight in bubbles 90% of the time, so that is out. |

Aurora Fatalis
Blacklight Recon Mordus Angels
38
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Posted - 2013.12.10 13:05:00 -
[36] - Quote
This is because they had to increase the time implanted and rigged inties and dictors were on grid before being able to tackle by at least one tick. They were in a state were you could be tackled between dscan cycles without the enemy ship showing up on dscan or even load on grid.
You'd get a warp error, see the tackle go up, and then the ship just *appear* in space. |

Sentient Blade
Crisis Atmosphere
1076
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Posted - 2013.12.10 13:14:00 -
[37] - Quote
I agree with the sentiment of the OP.
The warp speed changes are fantastic. But the way you just kinda sit there for what seems like an eternity sliding along at [x] m/s because you're not under the low magical threshold is not a good change.
Keep the warp speed changes. Revert the other thing. |

Luwc
Easy Co. Fatal Ascension
22
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Posted - 2013.12.10 13:21:00 -
[38] - Quote
The new warp changes are awesome.
BuUuUuUuT(T)
WTF ON BATTLESHIPS AND UP. This is really messed up CCP |

Lugalbandak
Anunnaku Warfare Corp.
275
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Posted - 2013.12.10 13:25:00 -
[39] - Quote
Dextrome Thorphan wrote:Warp speed changes never made any sense to me. The acceleration changes, sure those makes perfect sense. But the warp changes... why would a little ship warp faster than a big ship? Wouldn't that big ship be able to install a much bigger, more efficient warp drive? I mean it's just very strange logic...
its a sub marine simulator , it makes perfect sense lol The police horse is the only animal in the world that haz his male genitals on his back |

E-2C Hawkeye
State War Academy Caldari State
351
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Posted - 2013.12.10 14:10:00 -
[40] - Quote
Kagura Nikon wrote:Peter Raptor wrote:Lugalbandak wrote:Peter Raptor wrote:For ALLLL these years playing eve, I have gotten used to a ship coming outta warp when it reaches around 75% of its top speed,
Now it comes out of warp at around 20% of its top speed, not to mention larger ships basically CRAWL SLOWLY along
as they FINALLY come outta warp, I myself find this soo uselessly annoying...
Rubicon overall I like, but after making 30 jumps in a BS, I feel I'd be better off playing Space Invaders
Oh and have a nice day ... sorry BS, it was so stupid large ships almost as fast with warp and comming out of warp , now interceptors en tackling frigs does what tey should do YOU KNOW , Intercept & tackle If you doing 30 jumps in a BS , youdoing something utterly wrong I seee, youre not allowed to take a BS from point A to point B in Eve, you just build it where you want it right  You still whine too much. In red moon rising wer could NOT warp to zero. All warps were to 15 km and you had to slow boat for the gate. 30 Jumps would take 2 hour back then .
Yea I had to walk to school up hill both ways in the snow with no shoes......So what was your point? |

Abisha Baboli
6
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Posted - 2013.12.10 14:13:00 -
[41] - Quote
why do it matters what speed you come out of warp??. if you warp to gate/station you in docking range. |

Jasmine Assasin
State War Academy Caldari State
129
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Posted - 2013.12.10 14:33:00 -
[42] - Quote
My problem is, they made battleships slower than they need to be. Smaller ships are faster now, we don't need Battleships to move slower because it's pointless. All it does is penalize people for flying a certain type of ship.
The fact that some of you think bigger ships need to go slow so that your now faster than they were before ships can catch them is insane. If they gave battleships their 3 AU/sec warp back you could still catch them just fine.
Right now moving a BS around feels more like work than fun and that's a problem. Traveling is a means to an end, and that's how it should play out.
I'm not going to stop flying battleships either, It's the class I like and the reason I continue to play EVE. |

Markku Laaksonen
EVE University Ivy League
225
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Posted - 2013.12.10 14:38:00 -
[43] - Quote
Fr3akwave wrote:As far as i can see all except 2 or 3 people so far didnt even bother reading the OP.
I mean... how hard is it? He is NOT COMPLAINING ABOUT WARP SPEED CHANGES, but about changes made to the warp exiting mechanic AFTER the warp.
Before rubicon, ships warped (no matter how fast) and when they landed on grid decellerating, as soon as they hit 75% max speed they were considered out of warp and therefore able to jump, lock, being locked, whatever. Now that velocity is 20% which means a considerable amount of time just more or less standing still 50m away from the spot where you will finally land. I have noticed this too and find it quite annoying. I also dont understand the reason behind this specific detail. Luckily i dont fly anything bigger than a cruiser these days.
EVE player base reading comprehension is a special thing. We understand perfectly well what we see, we just see what we want to see. Quoting this to see if it gains any more traction. |

Ramona McCandless
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
1353
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Posted - 2013.12.10 14:39:00 -
[44] - Quote
Jasmine Assasin wrote:My problem is, they made battleships slower than they need to be. Smaller ships are faster now, we don't need Battleships to move slower because it's pointless. All it does is penalize people for flying a certain type of ship.
Need?
WTF has need got to do with it.
Mind you, you do seem to understand by the last sentence High Priestess of The Temple of the Holy Amarr Suicide Cult of Haimeh "You are, quite literally, the best person ever." --áDomanique Altares,-áRifterlings "Send Ramona your ISK, and biomass." --áJarod Garamonde,-áSardaukar Merc Guild |

Aramatheia
Tiffany and Co.
121
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Posted - 2013.12.10 14:56:00 -
[45] - Quote
Abisha Baboli wrote:why do it matters what speed you come out of warp??. if you warp to gate/station you in docking range.
but if you warp to anything else, you have to wait for you ship to drop to a very low percent of its base speed, only ythen can you activate your mwd/ab and any other non-warp active mods, as well as maneuver, and interact with anything else on field.
A ships warp speed isnt the issue. A ships agility/align/ acceleration/deceleration speed isnt the issue. A ships maximum straight line speed (not in warp) isnt the issue.
A ship having to wait untill its at 20% speed as opposed to the pre-rubicon 75% speed before being able to officialy "exit" warp is the issue. |

Xavier Higdon
Wolfbane Hauler Inc
216
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Posted - 2013.12.10 15:13:00 -
[46] - Quote
EvE rewards those with patience, which most of you do not seem to have. Honestly, if waiting an extra couple of seconds is so horrible then either switch ships or stop playing. I fly a Raven or a Raven Navy Issue for all of my ISK making activities and I barely notice the change. Some times I'm even thankful for it, as I can assess the situation as I slow down. Like I said, 2 or 3 seconds is not an eternity, even over 50 jumps it'll only add up to a whole 2.5 minutes. If you can't wait 2 minutes, this isn't the game for you. Wolfbane Hauler Inc Looking For Combat And Industrial Pilots |

Ramona McCandless
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
1354
|
Posted - 2013.12.10 15:14:00 -
[47] - Quote
Aramatheia wrote: A ship having to wait untill its at 20% speed as opposed to the pre-rubicon 75% speed before being able to officialy "exit" warp is the issue.
I too hate being targetting-immune for longer High Priestess of The Temple of the Holy Amarr Suicide Cult of Haimeh "You are, quite literally, the best person ever." --áDomanique Altares,-áRifterlings "Send Ramona your ISK, and biomass." --áJarod Garamonde,-áSardaukar Merc Guild |

Aramatheia
Tiffany and Co.
122
|
Posted - 2013.12.10 15:18:00 -
[48] - Quote
Ramona McCandless wrote:Aramatheia wrote: A ship having to wait untill its at 20% speed as opposed to the pre-rubicon 75% speed before being able to officialy "exit" warp is the issue.
I too hate being targetting-immune for longer
only when you do become targetable you are flatfooted at 20% speed, not 75, still a win? |

Onictus
Silver Snake Enterprise Fatal Ascension
670
|
Posted - 2013.12.10 15:55:00 -
[49] - Quote
Xavier Higdon wrote:EvE rewards those with patience, which most of you do not seem to have. Honestly, if waiting an extra couple of seconds is so horrible then either switch ships or stop playing. I fly a Raven or a Raven Navy Issue for all of my ISK making activities and I barely notice the change. Some times I'm even thankful for it, as I can assess the situation as I slow down. Like I said, 2 or 3 seconds is not an eternity, even over 50 jumps it'll only add up to a whole 2.5 minutes. If you can't wait 2 minutes, this isn't the game for you.
Try it in 10% TiDi |

Ramona McCandless
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
1357
|
Posted - 2013.12.10 15:56:00 -
[50] - Quote
Aramatheia wrote:
only when you do become targetable you are flatfooted at 20% speed, not 75, still a win?
Yeah cos 20% of 109 over 75% makes such a massive difference in your transversal, quineg? High Priestess of The Temple of the Holy Amarr Suicide Cult of Haimeh "You are, quite literally, the best person ever." --áDomanique Altares,-áRifterlings "Send Ramona your ISK, and biomass." --áJarod Garamonde,-áSardaukar Merc Guild |

Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
3781
|
Posted - 2013.12.10 16:02:00 -
[51] - Quote
Let me guess. You are jammed before launching drones meaning the drones don't fight back but you need to target someone, which you can't do, because you are jammed.
And turrets don't have "FOF ammo" while missiles still suck.
Might as well fly a stratios.
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Onictus
Silver Snake Enterprise Fatal Ascension
670
|
Posted - 2013.12.10 16:03:00 -
[52] - Quote
Ramona McCandless wrote:Aramatheia wrote:
only when you do become targetable you are flatfooted at 20% speed, not 75, still a win?
Yeah cos 20% of 109 over 75% makes such a massive difference in your transversal, quineg?
No but it kills your align times, so you are stuck there signifcanly longer than you would be under the old systen, frigs don't notice, but its a pain in a plated battleship. |

Aramatheia
Tiffany and Co.
122
|
Posted - 2013.12.10 16:08:00 -
[53] - Quote
Ramona McCandless wrote:Aramatheia wrote:
only when you do become targetable you are flatfooted at 20% speed, not 75, still a win?
Yeah cos 20% of 109 over 75% makes such a massive difference in your transversal, quineg?
i dont fly battleships, i fly cruisers i like my speed it helps hostile things miss me more, so when im plopped out of warp and suddenly having to spool up from scratch... |

Ramona McCandless
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
1358
|
Posted - 2013.12.10 16:08:00 -
[54] - Quote
Aramatheia wrote: i dont fly battleships, i fly cruisers i like my speed it helps hostile things miss me more, so when im plopped out of warp and suddenly having to spool up from scratch...
This change hasnt affected cruisers. High Priestess of The Temple of the Holy Amarr Suicide Cult of Haimeh "You are, quite literally, the best person ever." --áDomanique Altares,-áRifterlings "Send Ramona your ISK, and biomass." --áJarod Garamonde,-áSardaukar Merc Guild |

Ramona McCandless
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
1358
|
Posted - 2013.12.10 16:09:00 -
[55] - Quote
Onictus wrote:
No but it kills your align times, so you are stuck there signifcanly longer than you would be under the old systen, frigs don't notice, but its a pain in a plated battleship.
Teach you to plan your jump properly then, wont it High Priestess of The Temple of the Holy Amarr Suicide Cult of Haimeh "You are, quite literally, the best person ever." --áDomanique Altares,-áRifterlings "Send Ramona your ISK, and biomass." --áJarod Garamonde,-áSardaukar Merc Guild |

Slade Trillgon
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
1080
|
Posted - 2013.12.10 16:11:00 -
[56] - Quote
E-2C Hawkeye wrote:Kagura Nikon wrote:
You still whine too much. In red moon rising wer could NOT warp to zero. All warps were to 15 km and you had to slow boat for the gate. 30 Jumps would take 2 hour back then
.
Yea I had to walk to school up hill both ways in the snow with no shoes......So what was your point?
Maybe that what he said is true and he made a point that this is closer to what it used to be and that EvE needed a bit of slow down and you countered with an age old fallacy.
So what was your point? |

Aramatheia
Tiffany and Co.
122
|
Posted - 2013.12.10 16:46:00 -
[57] - Quote
Ramona McCandless wrote:Aramatheia wrote: i dont fly battleships, i fly cruisers i like my speed it helps hostile things miss me more, so when im plopped out of warp and suddenly having to spool up from scratch...
This change hasnt affected cruisers.
umm im sorry, i fly cruiser hulls almost exclusively and i can confirm, without a shadow of doubt (heck i can log into eve right now and screenshot it for proof) that a cruiser, even a t3 cruiser, stays in "warp" untill its under 1/4th base speed |

Ginger Barbarella
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
1560
|
Posted - 2013.12.10 16:52:00 -
[58] - Quote
Fly a Crane. It's epically awesome.  "Blow it all on Quafe and strippers." --- Sorlac |

Aramatheia
Tiffany and Co.
122
|
Posted - 2013.12.10 17:05:00 -
[59] - Quote
for posterity, i did log on my alt who also flies cruisers including tengu and legion, i took scome screenshots of coming out of warp, it just doesnt make sense for warp to end at 1/4 speed, it should end the moment the ship hits normal speed, but i'd be fine with 75% like it used to be, that still gave smaller ships ample advantage over a battleship even if the BS was already on grid ahead of time
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Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
4963
|
Posted - 2013.12.10 17:15:00 -
[60] - Quote
You're right, actually all ships should exit warp at zero speed, just to be fair. 
The argument that coming out at 20% as opposed to 75% speed hurts your align time is more than a bit silly. It might hurt your ability to get into warp if you are warping in the same direction as you were previously traveling, but in all other situations it actually helps your time to alignment and warp because your speed tends to work against you when you change directions when aligning.
Most often people are exiting warp, turning around, and warping back in the direction they came from. In this case having a slower exit speed is to your advantage. To carve a successful niche for yourself in EVE you need to be able to out sell, out produce, out fight,-á out run, or out wit your competitors. If you can do none of the above, your only option is to complain on the forums that somehow you are at a disadvantage using the exact same tool set-áas the rest of the player base. |

Pew Terror
Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic
34
|
Posted - 2013.12.10 17:32:00 -
[61] - Quote
HOW DARE THEM BALANCING GAMEPLAY! *SHAKES FIST* |

Xavier Higdon
Wolfbane Hauler Inc
217
|
Posted - 2013.12.10 18:17:00 -
[62] - Quote
Onictus wrote:Xavier Higdon wrote:EvE rewards those with patience, which most of you do not seem to have. Honestly, if waiting an extra couple of seconds is so horrible then either switch ships or stop playing. I fly a Raven or a Raven Navy Issue for all of my ISK making activities and I barely notice the change. Some times I'm even thankful for it, as I can assess the situation as I slow down. Like I said, 2 or 3 seconds is not an eternity, even over 50 jumps it'll only add up to a whole 2.5 minutes. If you can't wait 2 minutes, this isn't the game for you. Try it in 10% TiDi
How often do you encounter 50 jumps of 10% TiDi? Even if 10 systems are running at 10%, that's only 3 minutes and 20 seconds extra, which is, again, not an eternity. If you can't wait three minutes and 20 seconds you should probably find another game. Wolfbane Hauler Inc Looking For Combat And Industrial Pilots |

Mara Pahrdi
The Order of Anoyia
450
|
Posted - 2013.12.10 19:57:00 -
[63] - Quote
One of the best changes in the 3 years I play EVE now.
+1 CCP! Remove insurance. |

Jenn aSide
STK Scientific Initiative Mercenaries
3619
|
Posted - 2013.12.10 20:02:00 -
[64] - Quote
I don't really have anything to complain about with the warp changes and such (or whatever the OP is talking about). But as a matter or personal preference I would have set the "mid-point" higher when it comes to the changes.
As it is, the Cruisers see no change, everyting below a cruiser "warps faster" and everyting below "warps slower". I would have made the point of no change battleships. Everyting Below a Bs would warp faster, capital ships would warp slower.
Interceptors would still be able to "intercept" bigger ships and flying a Battleship in a system bigger than 6 Au across wouldn't feel like being a stunned snail with the flu lol. |

Peter Raptor
Galactic Hawks
595
|
Posted - 2013.12.10 21:37:00 -
[65] - Quote
People talk about how you have to have "patience" when playing eve, and thus these changes are good for large ships,
that's just ridiculous, why dont we just make BSs move like freighters right, cos patience is a virtue right?
Its a pointless change, cos as already pointed out, frigs could already warp faster then BSs before rubicon,
I personally have yet to see ONE instance of these changes helping frigs kill ONE BS, that they otherwise would NOT have caught before Rubicon, this is all a farce... Evelopedia;-á
The Amarr Empire, is known for its omnipresent religion -áGÇá-á-á |

Streya Jormagdnir
Alexylva Paradox
225
|
Posted - 2013.12.10 22:17:00 -
[66] - Quote
I love catching prey after I watch them warp and I land first. One of the best changes yet! I am also a human, straggling between the present world... and our future. I am a regulator, a coordinator, one who is meant to guide the way.
Destination Unreachable: the worst Wspace blog ever |

Onictus
Silver Snake Enterprise Fatal Ascension
674
|
Posted - 2013.12.10 23:07:00 -
[67] - Quote
Xavier Higdon wrote:Onictus wrote:Xavier Higdon wrote:EvE rewards those with patience, which most of you do not seem to have. Honestly, if waiting an extra couple of seconds is so horrible then either switch ships or stop playing. I fly a Raven or a Raven Navy Issue for all of my ISK making activities and I barely notice the change. Some times I'm even thankful for it, as I can assess the situation as I slow down. Like I said, 2 or 3 seconds is not an eternity, even over 50 jumps it'll only add up to a whole 2.5 minutes. If you can't wait 2 minutes, this isn't the game for you. Try it in 10% TiDi How often do you encounter 50 jumps of 10% TiDi? Even if 10 systems are running at 10%, that's only 3 minutes and 20 seconds extra, which is, again, not an eternity. If you can't wait three minutes and 20 seconds you should probably find another game.
I LOVE being on grid for 30 seconds before I can do anything, I'm not talking about warping system to system, I'm taking about in combat. Because if you have ever seen a real fleet flight by the time you park on a grid you are either dead, or someone else is about to be. Usually its constant re-warps and manuvering for positions.
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Frostys Virpio
Lame Corp Name
787
|
Posted - 2013.12.10 23:43:00 -
[68] - Quote
How about 75% so you exit warp at the same speed you enter warp? Wouldn't that make sense? |

Infinity Ziona
Cloakers
962
|
Posted - 2013.12.11 00:55:00 -
[69] - Quote
Hate to agree with Jenn but yeah. Set the nochange at Battleships ffs. Almost like the devs don't play EvE at all or at least never used a battleship. |

James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation
6867
|
Posted - 2013.12.11 01:15:00 -
[70] - Quote
Xavier Higdon wrote:Onictus wrote:Xavier Higdon wrote:EvE rewards those with patience, which most of you do not seem to have. Honestly, if waiting an extra couple of seconds is so horrible then either switch ships or stop playing. I fly a Raven or a Raven Navy Issue for all of my ISK making activities and I barely notice the change. Some times I'm even thankful for it, as I can assess the situation as I slow down. Like I said, 2 or 3 seconds is not an eternity, even over 50 jumps it'll only add up to a whole 2.5 minutes. If you can't wait 2 minutes, this isn't the game for you. Try it in 10% TiDi How often do you encounter 50 jumps of 10% TiDi? Even if 10 systems are running at 10%, that's only 3 minutes and 20 seconds extra, which is, again, not an eternity. If you can't wait three minutes and 20 seconds you should probably find another game. There's probably something seriously wrong with your math if you think it's only three minutes and 20 seconds. Latest video - Pandemic Legion titan and supers killed |

James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation
6867
|
Posted - 2013.12.11 01:20:00 -
[71] - Quote
James Amril-Kesh wrote:Xavier Higdon wrote:Onictus wrote:Xavier Higdon wrote:EvE rewards those with patience, which most of you do not seem to have. Honestly, if waiting an extra couple of seconds is so horrible then either switch ships or stop playing. I fly a Raven or a Raven Navy Issue for all of my ISK making activities and I barely notice the change. Some times I'm even thankful for it, as I can assess the situation as I slow down. Like I said, 2 or 3 seconds is not an eternity, even over 50 jumps it'll only add up to a whole 2.5 minutes. If you can't wait 2 minutes, this isn't the game for you. Try it in 10% TiDi How often do you encounter 50 jumps of 10% TiDi? Even if 10 systems are running at 10%, that's only 3 minutes and 20 seconds extra, which is, again, not an eternity. If you can't wait three minutes and 20 seconds you should probably find another game. There's probably something seriously wrong with your math if you think it's only three minutes and 20 seconds. 10 warps, let's say an average of 50 AU. Using this chart: 50 AU warp takes 22 seconds longer than Pre-Rubicon. 10 jumps at 100% tidi (no tidi) takes 3 minutes, 40 seconds longer. Which means that 10 jumps at 10% tidi takes about 36 minutes, 40 seconds longer. Latest video - Pandemic Legion titan and supers killed |

Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
14818
|
Posted - 2013.12.11 01:27:00 -
[72] - Quote
Xavier Higdon wrote: How often do you encounter 50 jumps of 10% TiDi? Even if 10 systems are running at 10%, that's only 3 minutes and 20 seconds extra, which is, again, not an eternity. If you can't wait three minutes and 20 seconds you should probably find another game.
10% TiDi means that the game is running at effectively 10% of normal speed in the affected systems, it's also as low as TiDi goes IIRC. Your guesstimate is for approx. 90% Tidi. Malcanis' Law - Whenever a mechanics change is proposed on behalf of new players, that change is always to the overwhelming advantage of richer, older players. The corollary is that when new players propose a change, they invariably lack the experience and insight to see how the change would again be exploited by older players far more efficiently than themselves. |

Tuggboat
Oneida Inc.
55
|
Posted - 2013.12.11 04:38:00 -
[73] - Quote
Stealth Incursion Nerf |

Peter Raptor
Galactic Hawks
599
|
Posted - 2013.12.11 04:42:00 -
[74] - Quote
Tuggboat wrote:Stealth Incursion Nerf
It seems like a nerf to the entire game really Evelopedia;-á
The Amarr Empire, is known for its omnipresent religion -áGÇá-á-á |

James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation
6869
|
Posted - 2013.12.11 04:54:00 -
[75] - Quote
I'd be okay with battleships warping slightly slower than they did before. However as slow as they are now is ridiculous. It's not as if they were the cream of the crop beforehand. The nerf really wasn't something they needed. Latest video - Pandemic Legion titan and supers killed |

Lugalbandak
Anunnaku Warfare Corp.
277
|
Posted - 2013.12.11 08:30:00 -
[76] - Quote
Peter Raptor wrote:Lugalbandak wrote:Peter Raptor wrote:For ALLLL these years playing eve, I have gotten used to a ship coming outta warp when it reaches around 75% of its top speed,
Now it comes out of warp at around 20% of its top speed, not to mention larger ships basically CRAWL SLOWLY along
as they FINALLY come outta warp, I myself find this soo uselessly annoying...
Rubicon overall I like, but after making 30 jumps in a BS, I feel I'd be better off playing Space Invaders
Oh and have a nice day ... sorry BS, it was so stupid large ships almost as fast with warp and comming out of warp , now interceptors en tackling frigs does what tey should do YOU KNOW , Intercept & tackle If you doing 30 jumps in a BS , youdoing something utterly wrong I seee, youre not allowed to take a BS from point A to point B in Eve, you just build it where you want it right 
ofcourse its allowed , bs are just one of the worst ships to travle with The police horse is the only animal in the world that haz his male genitals on his back |

Peter Raptor
Galactic Hawks
599
|
Posted - 2013.12.11 09:41:00 -
[77] - Quote
Lugalbandak wrote:Peter Raptor wrote:Lugalbandak wrote:Peter Raptor wrote:For ALLLL these years playing eve, I have gotten used to a ship coming outta warp when it reaches around 75% of its top speed,
Now it comes out of warp at around 20% of its top speed, not to mention larger ships basically CRAWL SLOWLY along
as they FINALLY come outta warp, I myself find this soo uselessly annoying...
Rubicon overall I like, but after making 30 jumps in a BS, I feel I'd be better off playing Space Invaders
Oh and have a nice day ... sorry BS, it was so stupid large ships almost as fast with warp and comming out of warp , now interceptors en tackling frigs does what tey should do YOU KNOW , Intercept & tackle If you doing 30 jumps in a BS , youdoing something utterly wrong I seee, youre not allowed to take a BS from point A to point B in Eve, you just build it where you want it right  ofcourse its allowed , bs are just one of the worst ships to travle with
Oh man, you make it sound like people in eve travel in Battleships ONLY cos they want to go sight seeing  Evelopedia;-á
The Amarr Empire, is known for its omnipresent religion -áGÇá-á-á |

James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation
6875
|
Posted - 2013.12.11 09:47:00 -
[78] - Quote
BS SHUD B RLY SLOW CUZ THEIR BIG N STUFF Latest video - Pandemic Legion titan and supers killed |

Dextrome Thorphan
RvB - RED Federation
40
|
Posted - 2013.12.11 10:02:00 -
[79] - Quote
Kagura Nikon wrote:Dextrome Thorphan wrote:Warp speed changes never made any sense to me. The acceleration changes, sure those makes perfect sense. But the warp changes... why would a little ship warp faster than a big ship? Wouldn't that big ship be able to install a much bigger, more efficient warp drive? I mean it's just very strange logic... Because a speedboat is so much slower than a oil transport ship of 200 thousand tons...
Uhm we're talking about space, not water. |

Ramona McCandless
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
1369
|
Posted - 2013.12.11 10:08:00 -
[80] - Quote
Peter Raptor wrote:Oh man, you make it sound like people in eve travel in Battleships ONLY cos they want to go sight seeing 
No, he doesnt
You just decided to read it that way High Priestess of The Temple of the Holy Amarr Suicide Cult of Haimeh "You are, quite literally, the best person ever." --áDomanique Altares,-áRifterlings "Send Ramona your ISK, and biomass." --áJarod Garamonde,-áSardaukar Merc Guild |

Peter Raptor
Galactic Hawks
600
|
Posted - 2013.12.11 10:32:00 -
[81] - Quote
James Amril-Kesh wrote:BS SHUD B RLY SLOW CUZ THEIR BIG N STUFF
So why not just make them practically unmovable? Better still, lets just phase em outta the game completely Evelopedia;-á
The Amarr Empire, is known for its omnipresent religion -áGÇá-á-á |

Kagura Nikon
Mentally Assured Destruction The Pursuit of Happiness
907
|
Posted - 2013.12.11 10:52:00 -
[82] - Quote
Dextrome Thorphan wrote:Kagura Nikon wrote:Dextrome Thorphan wrote:Warp speed changes never made any sense to me. The acceleration changes, sure those makes perfect sense. But the warp changes... why would a little ship warp faster than a big ship? Wouldn't that big ship be able to install a much bigger, more efficient warp drive? I mean it's just very strange logic... Because a speedboat is so much slower than a oil transport ship of 200 thousand tons... Uhm we're talking about space, not water.
BATTLESHIP.... CRUISER, Battlecruiser... aa yeah.. no correlation at all. "If brute force does not solve your problem..... -áthen you are -ásurely not using enough!" |

James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation
6877
|
Posted - 2013.12.11 10:54:00 -
[83] - Quote
Peter Raptor wrote:James Amril-Kesh wrote:BS SHUD B RLY SLOW CUZ THEIR BIG N STUFF So why not just make them practically unmovable? Better still, lets just phase em outta the game completely lol bastion module Latest video - Pandemic Legion titan and supers killed |

Kagura Nikon
Mentally Assured Destruction The Pursuit of Happiness
907
|
Posted - 2013.12.11 10:55:00 -
[84] - Quote
Peter Raptor wrote:Accelerate to full warp speed slowly, decelerate from full warp speed slowly, Eve is becoming MORE booooring for no apparent Reason at all, pointless, and itll just be another little "itch" that'll annoy people and eventually theyll throw in the towel
For a lot of reasons, You just decide to ignore those reasons. Its to increase the tactical relevance of preemptive positioning of larger ships, and make fast deployment a nearly exclusive capability of smaller ships.
Just because you do not participate in the MAIN PART OF THE GAME, PVP does nto mean there is not a reason.
PVP balance should always come before PVE balance (because only PVE people fly only in battleships around all the time). "If brute force does not solve your problem..... -áthen you are -ásurely not using enough!" |

James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation
6877
|
Posted - 2013.12.11 10:55:00 -
[85] - Quote
Kagura Nikon wrote:Dextrome Thorphan wrote:Kagura Nikon wrote:Dextrome Thorphan wrote:Warp speed changes never made any sense to me. The acceleration changes, sure those makes perfect sense. But the warp changes... why would a little ship warp faster than a big ship? Wouldn't that big ship be able to install a much bigger, more efficient warp drive? I mean it's just very strange logic... Because a speedboat is so much slower than a oil transport ship of 200 thousand tons... Uhm we're talking about space, not water. BATTLESHIP.... CRUISER, Battlecruiser... aa yeah.. no correlation at all. Actually I've read somewhere that at one point (maybe this is still true, I don't know) larger naval ships can go faster than smaller ones because their greater mass allows them to cut through water better. Latest video - Pandemic Legion titan and supers killed |

Ramona McCandless
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
1370
|
Posted - 2013.12.11 10:59:00 -
[86] - Quote
Kagura Nikon wrote:
PVP balance should always come before PVE balance (because only PVE people fly only in battleships around all the time).
I thought PvE people only flew Ravens with minimum skills or badlly fitted Tengus
Wait, this is 2011, right? High Priestess of The Temple of the Holy Amarr Suicide Cult of Haimeh "You are, quite literally, the best person ever." --áDomanique Altares,-áRifterlings "Send Ramona your ISK, and biomass." --áJarod Garamonde,-áSardaukar Merc Guild |

James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation
6879
|
Posted - 2013.12.11 11:01:00 -
[87] - Quote
Kagura Nikon wrote:Peter Raptor wrote:Accelerate to full warp speed slowly, decelerate from full warp speed slowly, Eve is becoming MORE booooring for no apparent Reason at all, pointless, and itll just be another little "itch" that'll annoy people and eventually theyll throw in the towel For a lot of reasons, You just decide to ignore those reasons. Its to increase the tactical relevance of preemptive positioning of larger ships, and make fast deployment a nearly exclusive capability of smaller ships. Just because you do not participate in the MAIN PART OF THE GAME, PVP does nto mean there is not a reason. PVP balance should always come before PVE balance (because only PVE people fly only in battleships around all the time). You're of course disregarding that we could have it both ways. We could have battleships warp almost as they did before and preserve both of these things. I mean come on, it's not like battleships were fast to get around in to begin with. Latest video - Pandemic Legion titan and supers killed |
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