I just had a lightbulb go off.

What if every barge got an extra high slot, which was a "hardpoint" for a certain module.

Call it the "Harvester Yield Actuation Device" or something.

It has a 1 minute cycle and does not repeat. When it's on, your mining yield is normal (what it currently is). When it's offline, your mining yield drops in half.

Miners who wanted to AFK would get **** income and thus not AFK as much.

Genius.

INB4 this has already been suggested.

Nobody would ever be clever enough to rig up something to press the F1 button after [x] duration of time.

I guess i've never seen something where ccp actually said they didnt like afk mining. It seems to be just players who dont think mining is for them and want to force their ideals on everyone else.

Botting is illegal.

I just had a lightbulb go off.

What if every barge got an extra high slot, which was a "hardpoint" for a certain module.

Call it the "Harvester Yield Actuation Device" or something.

It has a 1 minute cycle and does not repeat. When it's on, your mining yield is normal (what it currently is). When it's offline, your mining yield drops in half.

Miners who wanted to AFK would get **** income and thus not AFK as much.

Genius.

INB4 this has already been suggested.

Brilliant...then they can implement that same idea on afk cloakers. You sir are genius

Botting is illegal.

Brilliant...then they can implement that same idea on afk cloakers. You sir are genius

oh yes sure first make hulks being useless and bad to ruin al the training and time and dediation of mining vets and then engourage the goons to gank eveything and celebrate it; and also nerf pocos and poses so hisec is miserble amd ruin hisec travel 2 change warp for ~pvp~~~

... and now nerf hisec again. lookin good 2 me, and its par for course

Amen sister

How about game designers all across the MMO board learn to create content rather than time sinks? Then there'd be no need to AFK because the mechanics would actually be engaging rather than mind numbingly boring.

Mr Epeen

There's those tears I was looking for!

ya laugh it up and go back 2 playing ur goon main char, stop trolling with **** old ideas

I just had a lightbulb go off.

What if every barge got an extra high slot, which was a "hardpoint" for a certain module.

Call it the "Harvester Yield Actuation Device" or something.

It has a 1 minute cycle and does not repeat. When it's on, your mining yield is normal (what it currently is). When it's offline, your mining yield drops in half.

Miners who wanted to AFK would get **** income and thus not AFK as much.

Genius.

INB4 this has already been suggested.

~snip~ stop trolling ~snip~

And your thread will probably be moved to Features & Ideas, where it should have been made in the first place.

I just had a lightbulb go off.

What if every barge got an extra high slot, which was a "hardpoint" for a certain module.

Call it the "Harvester Yield Actuation Device" or something.

It has a 1 minute cycle and does not repeat. When it's on, your mining yield is normal (what it currently is). When it's offline, your mining yield drops in half.

Miners who wanted to AFK would get **** income and thus not AFK as much.

Genius.

INB4 this has already been suggested.

Hey, nice module. It makes AFK mining harder for AFK miners. Good thing they can't just not fit that module.

Oh wait, they could just not fit the module since you know, there is no benefit whatsoever to having it.

HERP DERP.

Did you read the OP?

Not having the module would cut your yield by 50%.

Did you read the OP?

Not having the module would cut your yield by 50%.

Honestly no I did not read your OP fully, I just scanned it and made a kneejerk post ridiculuing your idea because there are dozens of other things in EVE that are worth the dev time to fix other than this. You caught me.

It would literally take hundreds of manhours to implement this idea.

I'm still trying to figure out what these afk miners are doing, that harms the game for these so-called pvpers.

Why aren't these pvpers, pvping, instead of flying around watching to see if a miner is afk or not?

I guess I'm not suppose to go pee, until I finish filling up the ore hold of my retriever.

PvP includes removing the ships of those who can't be arsed to actually play the game from space, via the medium of glorious explosions. It's not particularly high brow PvP but it's still PvP.

Botting is illegal.

I can empty a system and keep it empty while AFK in null. No explosions, glorious or otherwise. Just quietly cloaked.

Not particularly high brow PvP, but it's still PvP. If you accept that as a mechanic, and plenty do, then there is nothing wrong with being AFK in a belt.

Mr Epeen

I am in no way defending afk miners, I dont do it myself, on the rare occasions I do mine I am at the screen. But what all these people dont realise is that if all the miners stopped mining, like so many people seem to want, where would the minerals for your ships come from? Reprocessing scrap only gives so much.

they can remove afk mnining when they remove afk cloaking and easymode pvp, k?

I just had a lightbulb go off.

Boting is software, having a mechanical device press the key isn't.

Yes your lighbulb clearly went OFF.

When it goes on, post something thats a 3 year old can't get around.

I keep hearing this but hisec is only a source of trit pyerite mexallon isogen. Your nocxium megacyte n zyd are from low n null. Or repro'd mission loot. Read a thread years ago citing stats that most value of mins comes from repro mission loot. Bulk of the low price stuff is mined, but bulk of the valuable stuff is repro'd or shipped in from null.
No i don't have graphs but would love to see some, mining in hisec is terrible money even if boosted and maxed out.

Botting is illegal.

Which is why all those Falcons camped on every nullsec entry gate on the map is manned by wide awake human beings 23/7 all year round, right?

Puhleeze. You're not fooling anyone.

"You may not use macros or other stored rapid keystrokes or other patterns of play that facilitate acquisition of items, currency, objects, character attributes, rank or status at an accelerated rate when compared with ordinary Game play."

I think having a device press a key for you every 61 seconds would not be considered ordinary Game play.

I also think that CCP would never ever implement something like this. If CCP had an issue with AFK game play they never would have added the autopilot.

If you are aware of a way for miners to mine AFK with no third party programs 24 hours a day without being at their machines and managing cargo then I'm all ears.

Which is why all those Falcons camped on every nullsec entry gate on the map is manned by wide awake human beings 23/7 all year round, right?

Puhleeze. You're not fooling anyone.

The reality is the nullbears only hate certain bots - namely, the one's that hisec miners use. Their own bots, well, those are sacrosanct. We certainly can't get rid of those, EvE would implode!

Whaaaaaa...

I just had a lightbulb go off.

What if every barge got an extra high slot, which was a "hardpoint" for a certain module.

Call it the "Harvester Yield Actuation Device" or something.

It has a 1 minute cycle and does not repeat. When it's on, your mining yield is normal (what it currently is). When it's offline, your mining yield drops in half.

Miners who wanted to AFK would get **** income and thus not AFK as much.

Genius.

INB4 this has already been suggested.

Which miner got on your bad side for you to go through all of this trouble to try and regulate how we do our mining? Do you need a hug?

Hey where do you mine I'll come join you.

How do people even AFK mine? I mean if you do it right with a maxed out Hulk character and Orca support, by the time your strip miners have cycled your ore hold is either full and/or the asteroid you were mining is depleted.

a simple solution: disable auto cycle on strip mining lasers.

is that too difficult a concept for some? maybe I need to draw a graph or diagram?

I just had a lightbulb go off.

What if every barge got an extra high slot, which was a "hardpoint" for a certain module.

Call it the "Harvester Yield Actuation Device" or something.

It has a 1 minute cycle and does not repeat. When it's on, your mining yield is normal (what it currently is). When it's offline, your mining yield drops in half.

Miners who wanted to AFK would get **** income and thus not AFK as much.

Genius.

INB4 this has already been suggested.

Probably using machinaws which have that large hold.

I'd suggest next time, just replace the lightbulb.

Ganking is the solution to AFK mining. It brings tears and causes much harsher consequences to AFKing the game.

There is literally no point you could make that proves that AFK mining is bad. It's their play style. Go play the game how you want to, but stop whining about others doing what they want.

a simple solution: disable auto cycle on strip mining lasers.

is that too difficult a concept for some? maybe I need to draw a graph or diagram?

Botting is illegal.

and punishable by life in prison

Brilliant...then they can implement that same idea on afk cloakers. You sir are genius

and also for booster ?

I just had a lightbulb go off.

What if every barge got an extra high slot, which was a "hardpoint" for a certain module.

Call it the "Harvester Yield Actuation Device" or something.

It has a 1 minute cycle and does not repeat. When it's on, your mining yield is normal (what it currently is). When it's offline, your mining yield drops in half.

Miners who wanted to AFK would get **** income and thus not AFK as much.

Genius.

INB4 this has already been suggested.

Comments like this one make me sad.

CCP does not provide content in EVE. All content in New Eden is generated by the players - p.g.c.

An afk miner who is not actively engaged in providing that content "is" less-valuable to pgc than one who isn't. The quality of the game is adversely affected by encouraging afk behavior. It isn't theoretical. It is demonstrable. If EVE were a living system and you wanted to improve her health (pgc,) you would work to limit afk activities and increase player fluidity and interaction. Nothing contributes more to pgc than player interaction.

I don't agree with the OP because I think the limited size of ore holds has made this issue largely moot. Anyone who doesn't think so probably hasn't tried to dual box even two hulks with their new 8500m3 ore bays. With an orca boost they cannot store 2 cycles of ore so anyone piloting a hulk literally - cannot - afk mine. And if they're using procurers 12000m3, that's barely more than 2 cycles, so those guys stop earning isk in about 4 minutes of afk behavior.

The worst afk culprits (potentially) right now would be ice miners or any sort of solo retriever/mackinaw setup.

It is at least noteworthy that the easiest mining barges to gank (covetors/hulks) are also the least-likely to be afk mining. I'm not sure if that is working as intended.

But it's ridiculous to suggest that afk behavior "isn't bad." It's certainly not something we should encourage if we care about the quality of pgc in EVE.

YK

People wont complain about AFK miners

If AFK miners didnt complain

About being killed

Pilot Les Wynan

Needs to do more mining

And Les Wynan

Good lord, I think I'm becoming one of "those" forum people.

Comments like this one make me sad.

CCP does not provide content in EVE. All content in New Eden is generated by the players - p.g.c.

An afk miner who is not actively engaged in providing that content "is" less-valuable to pgc than one who isn't. The quality of the game is adversely affected by encouraging afk behavior. It isn't theoretical. It is demonstrable. If EVE were a living system and you wanted to improve her health (pgc,) you would work to limit afk activities and increase player fluidity and interaction. Nothing contributes more to pgc than player interaction.

I don't agree with the OP because I think the limited size of ore holds has made this issue largely moot. Anyone who doesn't think so probably hasn't tried to dual box even two hulks with their new 8500m3 ore bays. With an orca boost they cannot store 2 cycles of ore so anyone piloting a hulk literally - cannot - afk mine. And if they're using procurers 12000m3, that's barely more than 2 cycles, so those guys stop earning isk in about 4 minutes of afk behavior.

The worst afk culprits (potentially) right now would be ice miners or any sort of solo retriever/mackinaw setup.

It is at least noteworthy that the easiest mining barges to gank (covetors/hulks) are also the least-likely to be afk mining. I'm not sure if that is working as intended.

But it's ridiculous to suggest that afk behavior "isn't bad." It's certainly not something we should encourage if we care about the quality of pgc in EVE.

YK

I can't believe you took the time to type this horsecrap.

I do not remember paying for a sub in order to provide content for you or any other person.

Seems like you are way too addicted to this game, and/or, bored trying desperately to find something to do.

Maybe you should unsub for a break and think about what is really important in life.

No, afk behavior is not bad behavior. People do it for one reason or another, and that is their perogative.

Good lord, I think I'm becoming one of "those" forum people.

Comments like this one make me sad.

CCP does not provide content in EVE. All content in New Eden is generated by the players - p.g.c.

An afk miner who is not actively engaged in providing that content "is" less-valuable to pgc than one who isn't. The quality of the game is adversely affected by encouraging afk behavior. It isn't theoretical. It is demonstrable. If EVE were a living system and you wanted to improve her health (pgc,) you would work to limit afk activities and increase player fluidity and interaction. Nothing contributes more to pgc than player interaction.

I don't agree with the OP because I think the limited size of ore holds has made this issue largely moot. Anyone who doesn't think so probably hasn't tried to dual box even two hulks with their new 8500m3 ore bays. With an orca boost they cannot store 2 cycles of ore so anyone piloting a hulk literally - cannot - afk mine. And if they're using procurers 12000m3, that's barely more than 2 cycles, so those guys stop earning isk in about 4 minutes of afk behavior.

The worst afk culprits (potentially) right now would be ice miners or any sort of solo retriever/mackinaw setup.

It is at least noteworthy that the easiest mining barges to gank (covetors/hulks) are also the least-likely to be afk mining. I'm not sure if that is working as intended.

But it's ridiculous to suggest that afk behavior "isn't bad." It's certainly not something we should encourage if we care about the quality of pgc in EVE.

YK

So you could also apply this same logic to afk cloaker.

Did you read the OP?

Not having the module would cut your yield by 50%.

Yes

The logic being, an AFK cloaker is a Cessna flying over the Wasteland blowing the mutated animals and the mutated mutants kisses while spying on your doings and leavings

I'd suggest next time, just replace the lightbulb.

pgc is not a thing, you want more content, go create it.

So you could also apply this same logic to afk cloaker.

How about make mining an interactive experience like combat or exploration, instead of turning it into a hyper-borefest of single click spam.

I'd like mining a lot more if you used your mining laser at the magical scifi mining-frequency on the asteroid which would melt the waste bits away and thus cracking the asteroid into couple of pieces in a small radius around the original point, melting those smaller rocks again would crack open into ore clusters.

the jerb

The "Afk Cloaker" is generating content. No one knows if he's really afk or not, No one knows if he has a cyno or not. his presence is invoking a reaction (dock up,safe up, or refit to fight/survive) And the AFK cloaker is literally altering market and monetary system behaviors.

Last week a group of cloakers in stealth bombers blanketed my alliances "home" constellation, forcing us to either fit to fight/run (which tanks your isk per hour) or do something else (to which many of us luled, because npc 0.0 missions in curse or delve are very tasty and impossible to "afk cloak"). No one "likes" it when it happens to them, but it's not in any way the same as afk mining.

... Theoretically, all one need do to contribute to pgc is something other than ship spinning. ...

HOHO just being a smart alec?
I was objecting to the tendentious claims made in a previous post about who was generating more pgc than anyone else. Even the term pgc as a metric is just stupid and leads to bad places. My comment stands, don't bother measuring who's generating more content than anyone else, and don't try to convince me punching on weak targets is done out of any concern for content.

STAHP STAHP MAKE IT STAHP.

I've seen alts in stations whose presence is just as eyes. Are they contributing to pgc? More or less than an afk cloaker doing the same task.
You can't measure pgc so just STAHP.

Welcome

You have taken my place

Now I can escape

I know you were

Your statement that you cant create content so you better go create content

is stupid though.


I forgive you, even if you cant forgive yourself


Omir Is Love, and we remember Him in this, the month of His Glorious Rebirth

jesus christ

I just had a lightbulb go off.

What if every barge got an extra high slot, which was a "hardpoint" for a certain module.

Call it the "Harvester Yield Actuation Device" or something.

It has a 1 minute cycle and does not repeat. When it's on, your mining yield is normal (what it currently is). When it's offline, your mining yield drops in half.

Miners who wanted to AFK would get **** income and thus not AFK as much.

Genius.

INB4 this has already been suggested.

It is positively hilarious to try to apply some system of utilitarian ethics ("afk generates less content than sitting at the keyboard!") to video game playing behaviors. Utilitarian ethics is based on a false premise to begin with, and that's taking a **** system and using it to apply a moral component to a leisure/luxury activity. "First-world" problems has never been more fitting.

That said, the minder/cloaker doesn't generate any content at all unless and until someone decides to attack him, and then he generates the same amount of content. Either you A) kill him or B) he warps off; the only difference between being AFK or not is that B) isn't going to happen if he's AFK. It's the rare mining ship that's actually going to fight off an attacker before either popping or having CONCORD show up.

It is NOT in fact, demonstrable, that being at the keyboard generates significantly more content, and in any case, the problem of people AFK cloaking and mining is a problem of the game incentivizing these behaviors, not of players engaging in them. Want less AFK miners? Make mining less boring. Until then, kill them if you want but don't pretend that behavior is a "problem" that needs "solving". No, it does not matter if they cry on the forums. You're always going to be able to attack them. Miners are not about to get a "no ganking" option.

I actually would not be opposed to that - so long as there was a "grace period" of like 15-30 seconds where your cloak would "decay", during which time you could still re-active that moduled while remaining undetected.

It is positively hilarious to try to apply some system of utilitarian ethics ("afk generates less content than sitting at the keyboard!") to video game playing behaviors. Utilitarian ethics is based on a false premise to begin with, and that's taking a **** system and using it to apply a moral component to a leisure/luxury activity. "First-world" problems has never been more fitting.

That said, the minder/cloaker doesn't generate any content at all unless and until someone decides to attack him, and then he generates the same amount of content. Either you A) kill him or B) he warps off; the only difference between being AFK or not is that B) isn't going to happen if he's AFK. It's the rare mining ship that's actually going to fight off an attacker before either popping or having CONCORD show up.

It is NOT in fact, demonstrable, that being at the keyboard generates significantly more content, and in any case, the problem of people AFK cloaking and mining is a problem of the game incentivizing these behaviors, not of players engaging in them. Want less AFK miners? Make mining less boring. Until then, kill them if you want but don't pretend that behavior is a "problem" that needs "solving". No, it does not matter if they cry on the forums. You're always going to be able to attack them. Miners are not about to get a "no ganking" option.

I am in no way defending afk miners, I dont do it myself, on the rare occasions I do mine I am at the screen. But what all these people dont realise is that if all the miners stopped mining, like so many people seem to want, where would the minerals for your ships come from? Reprocessing scrap only gives so much.

I just had a lightbulb go off.

What if every barge got an extra high slot, which was a "hardpoint" for a certain module.

Call it the "Harvester Yield Actuation Device" or something.

It has a 1 minute cycle and does not repeat. When it's on, your mining yield is normal (what it currently is). When it's offline, your mining yield drops in half.

Miners who wanted to AFK would get **** income and thus not AFK as much.

Genius.

INB4 this has already been suggested.

It's so cute when people post this drivel. Why are you so concerned about afk miners? Odds are they will die anyway, and you're worried about them not being active?

Perhaps you should play the game more, and worry about what other people are doing less.

The great thing about threads like this? People putting themselves on the list of future victims of suicide ganking.

The great thing about threads like this? People putting themselves on the list of future victims of suicide ganking.

Id say,

DESTROY ALL HIGHSEC MINERS!!!

I'm still just trying to understand why people hate AFK mining so much.

an afk miner already makes less than an active miner, since they dont cycle to the next rock immediately. also, they AFK mine for a REASON, a vast majority of them do it because they play EVE whil;e working on colege papers, or preoccupied by other things, they want to be logged in and talk with friends, but they dont have the ability to devote enough attention to "play".

AFK mining has its place, and nerfing it will only HURT the playerbase, as a close to majority of miners would just stop mining entirely when logged in, and ones who enjoyed the ability to "advance" while getting a sandwhich would likely move on to another game.

Also, by this mindset, lets remove PI as a passive income, if you want to make money off PI, you have to go to each of your planets and manually send resources between nodes, no more automation, lets also get rid of moongoo, and player owned POCOs, all of them get you passive income.

as for making mining "engaging". no, any activity that requires repetition can only be made MORE TEDIOUS or more boring, lets look at exploration, the new minigame was engaging for like, the first week, afterwards the sites and loot spew became more of a nuisance than actual "engaging" activity (also, lol at CCP wanting EVA exploration, and putting in minigames instead).

If a miner for example, chooses to go afk, and their ship is ganked, then that is the price they pay.

So long as said miner accepts this, there is no problem.

The "Afk Cloaker" is generating content. No one knows if he's really afk or not, No one knows if he has a cyno or not. his presence is invoking a reaction (dock up,safe up, or refit to fight/survive) And the AFK cloaker is literally altering market and monetary system behaviors.

Last week a group of cloakers in stealth bombers blanketed my alliances "home" constellation, forcing us to either fit to fight/run (which tanks your isk per hour) or do something else (to which many of us luled, because npc 0.0 missions in curse or delve are very tasty and impossible to "afk cloak"). No one "likes" it when it happens to them, but it's not in any way the same as afk mining.

Name another game where you can harvest resources while not actually playing the game. People are more than welcome to work on their college papers, shoot the breeze with their friends, make a sandwich etc; they can do all of those things without undocking. The biggest problem with afk miners is that they fail to understand that Eve is a PvP environment, going afk while undocked in an industrial ship is pretty much akin to parking your shiny new car in the centre of a war zone and expecting it to be still there, and in pristine condition when they get back. AFKing anything in Eve comes with the risk of explosion, the constant childlike whining, verbal abuse and the refrain "I just want to be left alone" or similar when they do explode is what pisses people off about them.

The major difference between the three things you list and mining is that mining explicitly requires you to be undocked, the others do not.

If you find an activity boring, the simple solution is not to do it. Simples.

I DARE someone to explain to me why they have the right to say someone elses play style is wrong

I DARE someone to explain to me why they have the right to say someone elses play style is wrong. You honestly can't.

The great thing about threads like this? People putting themselves on the list of future victims of suicide ganking.

[quote=Xuixien]

At least you spelled Genius correct. And your thread will probably be moved to Features & Ideas, where it should have been made in the first place.

Name another game where you can harvest resources while not actually playing the game.

This made me chuckle. EvE is not a PvP game. Planetside 2? That is a PvP game, because it is literally the only thing to do. EvE if what you make it. There's mining, missioning, ratting, pvp, production, PI, moon harvesting, SOV/POS bashing, and many other things. EvE is an MMO. It is what you make it. YOUR game may be all about PvP, but someone elses game may be all about mining. If that makes them happy, fine. If PvP'ing makes you happy, fine. If suicide ganking people to try to laugh at someone elses misfortune gets you off, you're a douche, but fine.

No one has the right to tell someone that their play style is wrong. We all pay for the game. We all choose to put effort into what makes the game for us. Stop complaining about how you don't like someone elses play style.Don't like AFK mining? Stay out of highsec.

I DARE someone to explain to me why they have the right to say someone elses play style is wrong. You honestly can't.

Don't like AFK mining? Stay out of highsec.

I'm guessing Voltaire isn't a member of your corp.

Much as I hate giving you a like that statement is true enough, unfortunately many afk miners don't accept that destruction is a possibility. As far as they're concerned their ships should be sacrosanct because they're "not affecting anyone else", which is a blatant falsehood.

and forcing activity wont do **** to "keep them from getting ganked", even tanked, if someone wants a mining ship dead, it WILL die, whether theya re active or not. so your entire point is pointless

Need more mining ship buffs?

I'd suggest next time, just replace the lightbulb.

Ganking is the solution to AFK mining. It brings tears and causes much harsher consequences to AFKing the game.

My 9 million ISK Procurer that requires a minimum of 4 Thrashers to gank in 0.5 is my anti-tear. I'll be laughing at you when you drop a minimum of 12 million to take out my 9 million. :D

You'll see me AFK, come check me out.

I just had a lightbulb go off.

What if every barge got an extra high slot, which was a "hardpoint" for a certain module.

Call it the "Harvester Yield Actuation Device" or something.

It has a 1 minute cycle and does not repeat. When it's on, your mining yield is normal (what it currently is). When it's offline, your mining yield drops in half.

Miners who wanted to AFK would get **** income and thus not AFK as much.

Genius.

INB4 this has already been suggested.

a simple solution: disable auto cycle on strip mining lasers.

is that too difficult a concept for some? maybe I need to draw a graph or diagram?

I actually would not be opposed to that - so long as there was a "grace period" of like 15-30 seconds where your cloak would "decay", during which time you could still re-active that moduled while remaining undetected.

I am in no way defending afk miners, I dont do it myself, on the rare occasions I do mine I am at the screen. But what all these people dont realise is that if all the miners stopped mining, like so many people seem to want, where would the minerals for your ships come from? Reprocessing scrap only gives so much.

Yeah, last time CCP announced where minerals came from, its was not like reprocessing gave by far the most minerals... Or wait, it was!

The solotion to AFK mining is to make mining more interactive. Like hacking is now.

The solotion to AFK mining is to make mining more interactive. Like hacking is now.

[quote=Arancar Australis]It is amazing how much time people put into how others play a game

People put a lot of time into how I play my game (suicide ganking). There's always some whinethread about it on the forums!

A little omission there... that whole 'non-consensual' involvement of others in your game. Kind of like forcing a game of basketball by surprise grabbing a passerby and putting *them* into the basketball net and then being surprised when they complain about 'how you play basketball' or 'assault' or something like that.

When you mine long enough, it becomes interactive. Yes, as you lose your mind, the asteroids begin to talk to you and you give them names!

Because somehow sitting there watching the mining laser cycle is "playing the game", but going and making a sandwich while it does that isn't.

The problem with mining is that once you get to the belt and start mining, there is no gameplay in the first place. While the idea of a hacking-style mini-game might be somewhat tedious, it's far less so than idiotic ideas like "don't let strip miners auto-repeat because I'm offended that someone doesn't dock up if they need to go take a leak while mining."

Because somehow sitting there watching the mining laser cycle is "playing the game", but going and making a sandwich while it does that isn't.

The problem with mining is that once you get to the belt and start mining, there is no gameplay in the first place. While the idea of a hacking-style mini-game might be somewhat tedious, it's far less so than idiotic ideas like "don't let strip miners auto-repeat because I'm offended that someone doesn't dock up if they need to go take a leak while mining."

I just had a lightbulb go off... Genius.

so, why does this justify you telling them to "go **** themselves", they want to play AFK, if they get ganked, they will either learn to watch better, or stop playing, but outright saying "hey, you know this boring as **** thing, well now your not allowed to alt-tab for even 5 minutes cause MINIGAMES, ACTIIVITY, OH SO ENGAGING, loook at these 30 extra cliks we added for you to get roughly the same isk/hr as before!"

every activity in EVE caters to a playstyle, mining caters to those that have other **** to do than living in a video game, some people have thigns going on literally preventing them from sitting their with eyes glued to the screen, like a baby or a new dog that isnt potty trained.

and forcing activity wont do **** to "keep them from getting ganked", even tanked, if someone wants a mining ship dead, it WILL die, whether theya re active or not. so your entire point is pointless

Also think of what you would be doing in your ship if you were actually there. Would you watch the asteroids slowly melt into nothingness? Or would you crack open a holomagazine and catch up on your favorite 'Concord Files' comic?

I'd suggest next time, just replace the lightbulb.

Ganking is the solution to AFK mining. It brings tears and causes much harsher consequences to AFKing the game.

Wait... hang on... stop... roll it back... bring it home... explain this to me...

We have to be at the keyboard to play this game?

In addition, you will only participate in activities deemed worthy by our head forum warriors, and your character will be changed to suit that which is deemed suitable by forum overlords. You *will* play as you are directed to play. You have no other choice!

(Really, really, wait, don't just laugh and walk away or I'll shake my impotent forum fist in your general direction!)

It has a 1 minute cycle and does not repeat. When it's on, your mining yield is normal (what it currently is). When it's offline, your mining yield drops in half.

Miners who wanted to AFK would get **** income and thus not AFK as much.

Genius.

Between the guy writing that EVE isn't pvp-centric, and the one writing that afk-anything isn't detrimental to pgc, I'm really not sure which I disagree with more.

Aside from ship spinning, all activities in EVE are pvp. Player vs. Player. Adjusting a market order to a lower price so your items will sell more quickly? You just screwed someone else out of a sale. pvp. Mining in a system with other miners? You are competing for available resources against other players. Mine the good rocks as quick as possible! pvp. Running missions all by your lonesome shooting red crosses? You are still providing opportunities to other players just by being there. That's pvp too. Ship vs. ship combat is the most obvious form of pvp but because of the nature of the sandbox and the game's capitalistic theme, once you undock, every action you take has the potential to affect other players. That's pvp.

And no one is suggesting that your mining lasers will do anything differently whether you are watching them intently or making a sandwich. But if you are present, you may be chatting with corpmates, accepting contracts, purchasing items on the market, turning wrecks in a belt blue for a noob, targeting a destroyer who lands in your belt, writing on these forums, winning isk on EVE radio, making new contacts, accepting a random conversation, etc. etc. etc. And even if you do none of these things - none whatsoever - it does not change the fact that they are unquestionably less likely to occur if you are afk.

YK

Many players find mining to be boring.

Your idea would punish players who afk what is ultiamtely not what many players find a fun activity.

Wouldn't this just be punishing the players for what many people think is a boring game mechanic? Wouldn't this just encourage less mining, resulting in higher prices for all involved? I mean, ultimately that is what I see is the reason most people would afk mine, it's not a fun mechanic, and those that bump afk miners are just punishing the wrong people.

And a post should cost 500k isk

I don't think they have magazines in pods. Something about liquid and your brain being disconnected from your body at the moment.

I just had a lightbulb go off.

What if every barge got an extra high slot, which was a "hardpoint" for a certain module.

Call it the "Harvester Yield Actuation Device" or something.

It has a 1 minute cycle and does not repeat. When it's on, your mining yield is normal (what it currently is). When it's offline, your mining yield drops in half.

Miners who wanted to AFK would get **** income and thus not AFK as much.

Genius.

INB4 this has already been suggested.

Google Auto Mouse Clicker.

Congratulations. Defeated by setting up an extra click.

I say make mining an annoying mini-game like hacking/archeology would be a better solution.

The real answer is to enforce character idle timeouts and disconnect afk players.

Here is an idea, remove mining from the game as it is. Reintroduce it like planetary interaction works in space with the new deployable modules. You have to protect them as they mine asteroid belts. No more afk, no more worry about over crowding the market with resources, and no more complaints about not being able to do something about it.

Additionally this would remove the need to have 3+ accounts to make mining a profitable business and get more players into pvp. It makes zero sense that we have the technology to mine planets, moons, and refine deathstars worth or material. But we still have to float in a belt basically afk shooting rocks.

Hello Digital Messiah.

If you get your deployable mining modules so you don't have to actually engage in an activity to mine, can us miners get a deployable ratting or PvP module, so we can deploy it an an anomaly or gate and have it shoot reds or rats, allowing us to return and collect the loot later?

You see I just want to sit in station whilst my passive deployables do everything for me, occasionally venturing out to loot the contents.

I'm sure all you 'pro pvpers' can find real fights in low/null right? Oh that's right, you don't have the skills or the courage to attack something that can shoot back.

I think you are missing the point that this system puts a cap on afk mining. Everyone has the capacity to mine like they do. It also allows players the ability to siege the modules putting them in reinforcement unable to mine. You then have to defend the modules. The afk miners lose and the active player base wins. Further more comparing ratting and combat to mining is apples to oranges. they already gave missioners the ability to tractor loot. Not to mention the space and resource war would make hi sec a hot zone of fun content allowing players to pvp and use up otherwise empty systems.

There aren't any "afk miners".

In order to mine you need to: (1) Watch for your cargo hold filling up, (2) Watch for your crystals dying, (3) Watch for the asteroid depleting. Additionally in null you have to (1) watch local, (2) watch intel channels, (3) deal with belt or anom spawns.

If anyone thinks mining is "afk", they're just being silly.

Turns out, they were not at their keyboard. They were away from it. AFK, you might say.

And? It's not against the law to be AFK, but if you do you're an idiot who's going to get "bumped". I wouldn't design a game mechanic like deployables because there are idiots that mine AFK. Would you? No, you wouldn't.

It is against the law to be AFK. The only law in Empire space that matters.

The Code.

You know this pathetic "code" thing got old months ago. You need to go home and rethink your life. Or come to null and try "the code" where I mine.

Good luck with that.

You know this pathetic "code" thing got old months ago. You need to go home and rethink your life. Or come to null and try "the code" where I mine.

Good luck with that.

You already follow the Code in Null Sec, even if you believe you do not.

AFK is death there, especially for a miner.

Agreed


It's not punishment for doing a boring activity, it's an attempt to make said activity less boring and thus not afkable. If people mine less because of it and the prices go up then mining becomes a more profitable activity, hence more people will mine because of both necessity and profitability.

It's actually easier in null than high sec because there are far fewer neuts floating around. In null you know who's friendly and who's definitely a bad guy. In high sec you learn that by experience, but unfortunately there's quite a turnover of players, so you never really know.