It's a PvP game, why are people so shocked when PvP happens to them?

Oh, you know, the usual reasons: e-thuggery, cyberbullying, terrorism and animal abuse. Only the worst of mankind enjoys PvP.

This thread needs more Dinsdale, and the guy who thinks he's an AWACs bird.

It's a PvP game, why are people so shocked when PvP happens to them?

You forgot to mention that everybody who shoots at an unarmed target in a computer game is actually a psychopathic follower of Charles Manson, with no regard for human life.

Shame on you

The "casual players" got a fantastic and unprecedented reward here.
CCP is more or less handing them massive amounts of isk.
It's only fair that there's some balance to it (e.g. gankers). Crying about it just makes you a supreme ****.

PVE-centric players ... well, we'll have to see if CCP gets worried about the casual players unsubbing too quickly for their financial comfort.

To be fair the only alternative would be to remove the SoE L4 agent from highsec (instead of, you know, adding more of them).
But imagine the TEARS that would cause....

Because it doesn't happen often enough. Go find a gank-related rage-quit thread. They always begin by telling everyone how long they've been here, how many billions they've grinded in their NPC/1-man corp before they died for the first time ever and can't go on because when they close their eyes they see a swarm of psychopaths in catalysts descending on their unsuspecting Marauder/T3/Freighter/ISO-boxed miner fleet.

Forget tears and isk, these ships seem designed to enable non null players to creep into null and scratch up some treasure.

Screw those people. I hate that attitude so much, it is literally the reason why I gank, scam, and grief as hard as I do.

Because people try to hold my gameplay hostage by threatening to quit because they don't like how I play. If they want a kiddie ride, there are plenty of other games to play. In fact, there is EVERY OTHER game to play. So they can get the hell out of my game.

I'm going to address this one. If too many "get the hell out of YOUR game", you won't have a game. CCP found that out during Incarna-geddon. They then let us know that 20% of the staff was still laid off.

7500 systems in the game and the only ones that hold any interest for 'griefing and ganking players' are the ones that contain those players who are least willing to do PVP. I'd guess the ones willing to do PVP are too much of a challenge for ya, and thus don't hold your interest? You'd scam and gank for any reason, this just justifies it like the 'New Order' justifies miner griefing.

(And yes, most of the 7500 systems are held by power blocks, thus most of us 'bears' are in hi-sec)

They already had other, more effective ships to do that with.

I'm going to address this one. If too many "get the hell out of YOUR game", you won't have a game. CCP found that out during Incarna-geddon. They then let us know that 20% of the staff was still laid off.

7500 systems in the game and the only ones that hold any interest for 'griefing and ganking players' are the ones that contain those players who are least willing to do PVP. I'd guess the ones willing to do PVP are too much of a challenge for ya, and thus don't hold your interest? You'd scam and gank for any reason, this just justifies it like the 'New Order' justifies miner griefing.

(And yes, most of the 7500 systems are held by power blocks, thus most of us 'bears' are in hi-sec)

I'm going to address this one. If too many "get the hell out of YOUR game", you won't have a game. CCP found that out during Incarna-geddon. They then let us know that 20% of the staff was still laid off.

7500 systems in the game and the only ones that hold any interest for 'griefing and ganking players' are the ones that contain those players who are least willing to do PVP. I'd guess the ones willing to do PVP are too much of a challenge for ya, and thus don't hold your interest? You'd scam and gank for any reason, this just justifies it like the 'New Order' justifies miner griefing.

(And yes, most of the 7500 systems are held by power blocks, thus most of us 'bears' are in hi-sec)

Not with the bonuses these have specifically for this purpose they didn't.

Not with the bonuses these have specifically for this purpose they didn't.

What your observation proves is that highsec gankers may say they are all about PVP and "risk" but they dare not risk being on the receiving end of a gank. I was amazed to find things actually civil in ROIR-Y. It does not mean nothing ever happens "out there", it's just that everybody is alert and so the ganks won't come easy.

You have to discern two different matter: risk vs uncertainty.

Whereas hi sec gankers are ok with risk = 100% (they are sure to lose their boat) they are the MOST carebear of all when talking about uncertainty. Uncertainty means profits are unpredictable and possibly negative, whereas they seek for the best reliability possible: always lose their ship but (if possible) always bring home the maximum profit possible.

If they really had to face uncertainty (that is low and NPC null sec) they'd quickly lose "profitability with low effort" they are enjoying in hi sec.

Basically they are quite similar to mission runners: they do it for the ISK. Whereas PvE L4 runners are carebears about risk, gankers are totally carebears about uncertainty. Exactly like sov null seccers are often carebears about both of the above and won't poke their head out of a station unless cleared by intel chat and maybe a "we never know, better safe than sorry" lil blob.

Players worth of PvP honor are:

- NPC null sec small gang
- Sov null sec small gang roamers
- WH "intruders"
- Low sec, small gang roamers
- Low and null sec mercs (had the best days in my EvE life playing with them)
- RvB and similar
- Traders (nowhere to hide, all out money at risk)


Guess what, that leaves out a lot of people, beginning with hi sec gankers, continuing with hi sec mercs and including sov null sec blobbers.

You have to discern two different matter: risk vs uncertainty.

Whereas hi sec gankers are ok with risk = 100% (they are sure to lose their boat) they are the MOST carebear of all when talking about uncertainty. Uncertainty means profits are unpredictable and possibly negative, whereas they seek for the best reliability possible: always lose their ship but (if possible) always bring home the maximum profit possible.

It looks like someone's ganking SOE mission runners in each of the hubs. A group of destroyers bounces out, then a dozen local chat icons turn blinking red. So if someone was wanting PVP excitement in high-sec space, it's here now. PVE-centric players ... well, we'll have to see if CCP gets worried about the casual players unsubbing too quickly for their financial comfort.

Hint: you can buy SoE items with Concord LP from incursions...

...Have you heard of the loot fairy?
Ganking is only profitable when the coin flips work in your favor.
You could spend hundreds of millions to gank a jump freighter and have both loot and salvage net you absolutely nothing.

It looks like someone's ganking SOE mission runners in each of the hubs. A group of destroyers bounces out, then a dozen local chat icons turn blinking red. So if someone was wanting PVP excitement in high-sec space, it's here now. PVE-centric players ... well, we'll have to see if CCP gets worried about the casual players unsubbing too quickly for their financial comfort.

They have been ganking ships ever since the SOE ships were announced, and CCP changed the agents around so there would be more opportunities to use said agents. It's mostly the mission runners who bling out their ships more than they need to that get ganked. They can help reduce the ganks by not putting on fits worth billions and billions. A normal t2 fitted battleship will do the missions almost as well as a blinged out version.

Yes and I also know about cargo / fittings scanning, I know how to quickly get the approx value of that, I know how to do divisions and even the ammo to use.

So?