It looks like someone's ganking SOE mission runners in each of the hubs. A group of destroyers bounces out, then a dozen local chat icons turn blinking red. So if someone was wanting PVP excitement in high-sec space, it's here now. PVE-centric players ... well, we'll have to see if CCP gets worried about the casual players unsubbing too quickly for their financial comfort.

It looks like someone's ganking SOE mission runners in each of the hubs. A group of destroyers bounces out, then a dozen local chat icons turn blinking red. So if someone was wanting PVP excitement in high-sec space, it's here now. PVE-centric players ... well, we'll have to see if CCP gets worried about the casual players unsubbing too quickly for their financial comfort.

GǪso there is hard-coded, unavoidable uncertainty.

It's as if someone was holding a gun to your head and telling you to buy those meta 6+ modules to fit to your ship.

Oh, you know, the usual reasons: e-thuggery, cyberbullying, terrorism and animal abuse. Only the worst of mankind enjoys PvP.

This thread needs more Dinsdale, and the guy who thinks he's an AWACs bird.

Mentioned in another thread, but you don't need to have a bling ship anymore. They've been ganking lower-value BCs just because. The bar is lowered and high-sec dessie ganking has won for now. It's just a matter of the scanner deciding on who is going to have the fact of their loss driven home to them.

A Catalyst (hull only) costs roughly 1/60 of a Talos, ...

Okay. Wake me up when this actually becomes commonplace.

Screw those people. I hate that attitude so much, it is literally the reason why I gank, scam, and grief as hard as I do.

Because people try to hold my gameplay hostage by threatening to quit because they don't like how I play. If they want a kiddie ride, there are plenty of other games to play. In fact, there is EVERY OTHER game to play. So they can get the hell out of my game.

I see the prospect of "profit" in suicide ganking has come up, and by the usual suspects.

Let this sink in: Suicide ganking wasn't designed to be profitable

That's not me saying that. That's not some carebear saying that. That's not some highsec CSM saying that. Look at the flag next to the post.

If you want to gank ships "just because" then you are taking the sandbox into the realm of being all about bonking kids with the pale and shovel and less about sand, and that threatens the sandbox. The people screaming "sandbox" now will be screaming nerf later if CCP (mommy) has to intervene and put further control on the pale and shovel. You want 1 minute invulnerability on undock or ships being randomly deposited cloaked outside of stations like at a gate? Keep up the "ganking just for tears" thing.

You see if you want "real world" jollies projected into a game (like ganking for no reason when would have been outside instead keying new cars), and in that real world there's profit to be concerned about, real world people are going to be forced to intervene somehow and nobody is going to be thrilled about it.

I'm going to address this one. If too many "get the hell out of YOUR game", you won't have a game. CCP found that out during Incarna-geddon. They then let us know that 20% of the staff was still laid off.

7500 systems in the game and the only ones that hold any interest for 'griefing and ganking players' are the ones that contain those players who are least willing to do PVP. I'd guess the ones willing to do PVP are too much of a challenge for ya, and thus don't hold your interest? You'd scam and gank for any reason, this just justifies it like the 'New Order' justifies miner griefing.

(And yes, most of the 7500 systems are held by power blocks, thus most of us 'bears' are in hi-sec)

"Its not like ganking blinged mission ships in trade hubs is new at all. Or that there aren't hundreds of other places to go mission in your 5bn isk mission running ship where it won't get scanned a single time EVER." - also true, most of my missioning has been in such places.

"meanwhile OP is babbling about people unsubbing. Get a clue, fool." --- and this is where the 'forum warrior' swings his sword to cleanse the world of all opinion and thought that does not align with the ONE TRUE --- something. Mock those heretical thoughts and keep the heretic from speaking through fear of harsh language! Yes, it is a PVP game, but it still needs money to keep the game going. I don't know if CCP publishes the subscription stats anymore (or if they stopped before Incarna-geddon), so I can only speculate, even if my speculation isn't 'approved of by forum warrior standards'.

just don't get it, aint the reason people are in high sec, because they not like PvP?.
forcing them into PvP content, makes a unhappy customer, and guess what those do one day?

stats will show, sooner or later, but keep in mind each lost customer is a lost profit need for new content.

just don't get it, aint the reason people are in high sec, because they not like PvP?.
forcing them into PvP content, makes a unhappy customer, and guess what those do one day?

stats will show, sooner or later, but keep in mind each lost customer is a lost profit need for new content.

Regardless of the intended design suicide ganking is only profitable because the victims make it profitable, even then the loot fairy takes the potential of profitability down to circa 50%.

No we don't, but people who whine about ganking would probably be very happy with that state of affairs. Luckily CCP knows their target demographic and it's extremely unlikely they'll introduce measures even close to that.

Let me get this straight you're equating the destruction of pixels, that incidentally belong to CCP, to the destruction of real world items? That's two very different things, damaging or destroying real world items is a criminal offence, punishable in a real world court of law, doing the same to pixels is not.

Get some perspective, oh and it's Pail, not pale.

Our energies are best spent preparing for the coming overthrow of the U.S. government. Or race war. Whichever comes first.

If they don't like PvP there's thousands of other games out there to play. Highsec is not, never has been, and never should be a PvP free zone, its safety is relative when compared to the other areas of space. People are in highsec because that's where the industrial backbone, markets, and easy money is.

Imagine highsec as a walled city during the 30 Year War, relatively safe when compared to what lay outside those walls. The barbarians were still knocking at the gates, sometimes they got through and razed the place to the ground.

It looks like someone's ganking SOE mission runners in each of the hubs. A group of destroyers bounces out, then a dozen local chat icons turn blinking red. So if someone was wanting PVP excitement in high-sec space, it's here now. PVE-centric players ... well, we'll have to see if CCP gets worried about the casual players unsubbing too quickly for their financial comfort.

You're always going to have people that think it's cute to knock down old folks and steal their social security (pension) checks. These guys stay in NPC corps and have basically zero consequences to their actions. Win/win for them.

We make the risk. We are the risk.

It just stands to reason that people who are all about risk will understand how to take measures to mitigate risk as well.

Screw those people. I hate that attitude so much, it is literally the reason why I gank, scam, and grief as hard as I do.

Because people try to hold my gameplay hostage by threatening to quit because they don't like how I play. If they want a kiddie ride, there are plenty of other games to play. In fact, there is EVERY OTHER game to play. So they can get the hell out of my game.

It'll all start with an argument about which is better, Tolkien or Ayn Rand.