| Pages: [1] 2 3 4 5 :: one page |
|
|
| Author |
Thread Statistics | Show CCP posts - 0 post(s) |
Stabdealer Tichim
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
1
   |
Posted - 2013.12.11 19:50:00 -
[1] - Quote
180m isk per hour, and in high-sec?
Checked the lp ratio of Stratios, which has been stabled at 3100:1, three times higher than major faction navy.
According to the effectiveness people doing lv4 mission , we can estimate that in a Machariel it's possible to earn ~180m isk per hour (50% from LP) on average, which is even higher than most people killing anomalies in nullsec.
(Calculated using LP payout at Lanngisi 0.5 and Apanake 0.5 and 3100:1 lp ratio for Stratios BPC)
With the future of Nestor, the lp ratio for SOE may even increase or at least stable at current state
In a high-end mission ship(like Machariel, rattlesnake or marauder) with cheap factional/T2 mods(so you're never profitable to gank)
0.0/Low Alternative?
Even though ccp claimed that they want to make null/low sec competitive, there is only agent of The Sanctuary in X-70 that can be easily harassed, and practically it does not bring any alternative or competition to the high sec 0.5 hubs.
Apparently it is not well balanced. With the infinite potential to hold people in a single solar system, there are little reasons to compete with other missioners. Some people mentioned war or suicide gank, but they are rather ineffective and only harassed a few people that are extreme minority comparing to the whole population who's doing SOE lv4s.
And if people can play with some care, using insta undock bookmark and alt scout, the risk of ganking is then handed over to real newbies.
A problem?
The real problem is EVE's mission system. Missions from an agent is infinite and a high-sec system can theoretically live an infinite population.
Low-sec and null has its nature disadvantage that when a local has more than certain amount of people (say 30), there will be problem to see coming hostile, not to mention gate camps.
Is this a problem or we can just wait the "free market" to fix it by bring 1000 people to Lanngisi and Apanake local?  |
BeBopAReBop RhubarbPie
NEW ORDER DEATH DEALERS
CODE.
54
|
Posted - 2013.12.11 20:06:00 -
[2] - Quote
I approve of this isk/hr ratio. It means easy targets are grouped together.
I hate to disagree with you,-ábut there is nothing subjective about "boring" in connection to "mining".
-á-á-á-á -- Solstice Project's Alt |
Xercodo
Xovoni Astronautical Manufacturing and Engineering
3048
|
Posted - 2013.12.11 20:07:00 -
[3] - Quote
What if we dropped all the BPC's that can be found in anoms and only allowed the pirate BSes to be gained from LP stores?
Imagine, the ONLY way to get a bhaalgorn or machariel would be if someone missioned for it...
It would actually give reason for the NPC-null regions to be raided by carebears that want the best paying missions in the game.
The Drake is a Lie |
Barrogh Habalu
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
589
|
Posted - 2013.12.11 20:12:00 -
[4] - Quote
I'll be honest here, I was in quite a disbelief when I've realized that CCP did not create some null-only subfaction of SoE to seed these ships there.
Well, nothing special. Eventually they'll cost roughly the same as regular faction ships pre-FW once demand will settle down. |
Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
3789
|
Posted - 2013.12.11 20:19:00 -
[5] - Quote
Xercodo wrote:What if we dropped all the BPC's that can be found in anoms and only allowed the pirate BSes to be gained from LP stores?
Imagine, the ONLY way to get a bhaalgorn or machariel would be if someone missioned for it...
It would actually give reason for the NPC-null regions to be raided by carebears that want the best paying missions in the game.
Oh the tears of treating people the same across the board....
Oh and posting in another nerf highsec thread. |
Kitty Bear
Disturbed Friends Of Diazepam
Disturbed Acquaintance
1012
|
Posted - 2013.12.11 22:07:00 -
[6] - Quote
your point is what exactly ??
People will sell these ships for as much as they can get.
Supply and Demand pricing in action.
if your point is 180m/hr as an income, I have some news for you
LP is ISK transferal, not injection
LP when converted into faction items function as an ISK sink
|
Mr Pragmatic
788
|
Posted - 2013.12.11 22:11:00 -
[7] - Quote
Stop having fun in a way I don't approve thread 1957494830
Nerf hi sec income when I can fly in low sec and not pvp
Super cali hella yolo swaga dopeness. -á-Yoloswaggins, in the fellowship of the bling. |
Josef Djugashvilis
Acme Mining Corporation
1627
|
Posted - 2013.12.11 22:15:00 -
[8] - Quote
I believe CCP have a policy of locking threads which are simply recycled, old, worn out ideas.
I expect this thread will be locked for that reason.
This is not a signature. |
Xuixien
Attitude Adjustment Incorporated
638
|
Posted - 2013.12.11 22:21:00 -
[9] - Quote
Once the market stabilizes it won't be so lucrative.
AUT5M - Active WH Corporation seeking new recruits. Frequent fleets, perfect boosts, material buyback, and more. Battleship/Logi/T3 pilots needed. Inquire within. Full API required. |
Anslo
The Scope
Gallente Federation
3610
|
Posted - 2013.12.11 22:22:00 -
[10] - Quote
We? Who's we?
|
|
|
I Love Boobies
All Hail Boobies
769
|
Posted - 2013.12.11 22:29:00 -
[11] - Quote
Man, I love it when people come to the forums and start spewing numbers out their behinds. I do SOE missions, and I have never made anywhere near 180 million an hour, even dividing the time up and so on after getting enough LP for a SOE ship. Even with my main mission guy @ level 5 on the social skills. I even use multiple characters in Dominix to do missions at times. I must be doing it wrong or something.
OP probably didn't take account the 50% LP and isk cost of the High Sec SOE ships when making up those numbers. |
Sentamon
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
1206
|
Posted - 2013.12.11 22:32:00 -
[12] - Quote
OP needs to pass math before posting.
~ Professional Forum Alt -á~ |
EI Digin
Sniggerdly
Pandemic Legion
1470
|
Posted - 2013.12.11 22:48:00 -
[13] - Quote
Quick, close the thread before anyone notices! |
Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
3790
|
Posted - 2013.12.11 22:54:00 -
[14] - Quote
I Love Boobies wrote:Man, I love it when people come to the forums and start spewing numbers out their behinds. I do SOE missions, and I have never made anywhere near 180 million an hour, even dividing the time up and so on after getting enough LP for a SOE ship. Even with my main mission guy @ level 5 on the social skills. I even use multiple characters in Dominix to do missions at times. I must be doing it wrong or something.
OP probably didn't take account the 50% LP and isk cost of the High Sec SOE ships when making up those numbers.
I think the OP did some maths whereby the amount of time needed to run enough SOE missions to get enough LP to get one of the SoE ships - then sell it - was calculated to come to this 180 Million ISK/hr.
Even if this math could be verified (peer review anybody?) this would be based solely on the market value of an SoE ship, and that can be VERY risky. Someone running SoE missions out the wazoo today with visions of piles if ISK in their eyes may be in for a rude surprise when the market turns or becomes saturated by thousands of other players doing the exact same thing.
|
Serptimis
Balls Deep Inc.
299
|
Posted - 2013.12.11 22:57:00 -
[15] - Quote
Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:I Love Boobies wrote:Man, I love it when people come to the forums and start spewing numbers out their behinds. I do SOE missions, and I have never made anywhere near 180 million an hour, even dividing the time up and so on after getting enough LP for a SOE ship. Even with my main mission guy @ level 5 on the social skills. I even use multiple characters in Dominix to do missions at times. I must be doing it wrong or something.
OP probably didn't take account the 50% LP and isk cost of the High Sec SOE ships when making up those numbers. I think the OP did some maths whereby the amount of time needed to run enough SOE missions to get enough LP to get one of the SoE ships - then sell it - was calculated to come to this 180 Million ISK/hr. Even if this math could be verified (peer review anybody?) this would be based solely on the market value of an SoE ship, and that can be VERY risky. Someone running SoE missions out the wazoo today with visions of piles if ISK in their eyes may be in for a rude surprise when the market turns or becomes saturated by thousands of other players doing the exact same thing.
so..nerf wazoo's? |
TharOkha
0asis Group
661
|
Posted - 2013.12.11 23:09:00 -
[16] - Quote
Hey OP, do you understand at least basic principles of suply-demand?
GÇ£If reality can destroy the dream, why shouldnt the dream destroy reality?GÇ¥ |
Sakiya Shiratori
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
20
|
Posted - 2013.12.11 23:13:00 -
[17] - Quote
OP is trying to trick more people into running SoE missions so that those damn ships will go down in price.
I for one, salute him |
Little Dragon Khamez
Guardians of the Underworld
White Mountain Coalition
675
|
Posted - 2013.12.11 23:17:00 -
[18] - Quote
all CCP need to do is sprinkle a few more sisters agents in null so that players can get the rewards without having to go to high sec, from what I understand the Sisters LP is penalised when awarded by a HS agent, so null should be even more profitable. Plus more outlets will naturally see costs and reward values drop. The high price of sisters ships is only because they are new, give it a few months and the market will correct the prices as per the demand of the player base.
Dumbing down of Eve Online will result in it's destruction... |
Pinky Hops
Spartan's DNA
Apex.
108
|
Posted - 2013.12.11 23:20:00 -
[19] - Quote
It will nerf itself over time as more people realize the profitability and take advantage of it.
See: supply and demand, basic economics. |
Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
3790
|
Posted - 2013.12.11 23:26:00 -
[20] - Quote
Little Dragon Khamez wrote:all CCP need to do is sprinkle a few more sisters agents in null so that players can get the rewards without having to go to high sec, from what I understand the Sisters LP is penalised when awarded by a HS agent, so null should be even more profitable. Plus more outlets will naturally see costs and reward values drop. The high price of sisters ships is only because they are new, give it a few months and the market will correct the prices as per the demand of the player base.
More nullsec level 4 SoE agents would solve a lot of problems. (seriously) |
|
|
Chopper Rollins
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
355
|
Posted - 2013.12.12 00:26:00 -
[21] - Quote
By the time an isk fountain is well known enough for their to be a misinformed, whiny thread about it....
....that fountain is drying up.
Goggles. Making me look good. Making you look good. |
Stabdealer Tichim
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
1
|
Posted - 2013.12.12 05:33:00 -
[22] - Quote
I Love Boobies wrote:Man, I love it when people come to the forums and start spewing numbers out their behinds. I do SOE missions, and I have never made anywhere near 180 million an hour, even dividing the time up and so on after getting enough LP for a SOE ship. Even with my main mission guy @ level 5 on the social skills. I even use multiple characters in Dominix to do missions at times. I must be doing it wrong or something.
OP probably didn't take account the 50% LP and isk cost of the High Sec SOE ships when making up those numbers.
You must be doing something wrong, I have linked the forum post that how people doing missions, try to learn better tactics before assume you've done the best. |
Jenn aSide
STK Scientific
Initiative Mercenaries
3623
|
Posted - 2013.12.12 06:02:00 -
[23] - Quote
I Love Boobies wrote:Man, I love it when people come to the forums and start spewing numbers out their behinds. I do SOE missions, and I have never made anywhere near 180 million an hour, even dividing the time up and so on after getting enough LP for a SOE ship. Even with my main mission guy @ level 5 on the social skills. I even use multiple characters in Dominix to do missions at times. I must be doing it wrong or something.
OP probably didn't take account the 50% LP and isk cost of the High Sec SOE ships when making up those numbers.
Hey Boobs (can I call you Boobs? thanks), I highlighted your problem lol. A Mach, navy raven, typhoon fleet etc is what really steam rolls SOE missions.
Super high isk making from SOE missions is nothing new in anyway, it's always been that way, Sisters scan probes and probe launchers have always sold extremely well, and to a lesser extent so have virtue implants.
Having tested it myself, that Dominix in SOE missions is simply going to make more isk than the same Domi in null sec with full and exclusive access to Forsaken Hubs (still the best Anom despite it's crappy escalation, everything in a F.Hub spawns in one place so a high dps close range pirate BS like a mach or vindi will return super isk), the only other high end anom close to it is "pirate gate" haven). At the very best you're gonna pull 60 to 75 mil an hour with that domi in null (20 to 25 mil ticks).
i can do 100 mil an hour with a regular domi in Lannigisi or Osmon in isk plus LP, not even touching the new ships be rather simply selling Sisters core probes. Especially in osmon since in the Jita's region and smart buyers set up sell orders that can be filled from the osmon sister's station, no need to even more the loot.
Havn't gotten to 180 mil an hour quite (I top out at 165 in a tech2 fit mach), but it's 165 an hour in high sec, SOLO, without having to X up in an incursion channel or wait for an FC to organise a 40 man HQ fleet. |
Jenn aSide
STK Scientific
Initiative Mercenaries
3623
|
Posted - 2013.12.12 06:13:00 -
[24] - Quote
Pinky Hops wrote:It will nerf itself over time as more people realize the profitability and take advantage of it.
See: supply and demand, basic economics.
That would be true is the only valuable thing was the ships. it's not. Combat probes, core probes, both kinds of probe launchers, virtue implants, the scanning hardwirings, all these come from the Sister's LP store and people have been making a lot of isk on them for years. I know, I was doing Sisters lvl 4s in Gicodel (not far from Dodixie) 4 years ago, it paid for my 1st every Vigilant lol.
The Thukker agents in high sec aren't near as bad because Nomad implants are such a niche item, but sisters agents are just infinite fountains of isk because the items that come out of the LP store get consumed or blown up all the time. you can look on Eve-Central or ingame for the price histories of Sister's items.
And those prices will only rise because now some people will be using that LP for ships instead of the traditional sister's items listed above. |
Pak Narhoo
Splinter Foundation
1219
|
Posted - 2013.12.12 06:19:00 -
[25] - Quote
So... what?
It's not like this is only for a handful available.
High sec people aren't stuck to living in high sec and visa versa null sec to null.
Right?
Edit: and how about those 20K sp characters flying in cheap frigs around a button making 4-600 mil AN HOUR!
Hrggrr grr. |
Eugene Kerner
TunDraGon
927
|
Posted - 2013.12.12 07:12:00 -
[26] - Quote
Not CCP is to be made responsible for that ISK/h ration but the players that hold the prize high. The more PVE players go for sister missions that are easily accessable in high sec the lower the prize will drop I suppose. With the Nestor the prize for the Crusier and the frigate might as well drop a little bit.
"Also, your boobs  " -á
CCP Eterne, 2012
|
Grunanca
Doughboys
Shadow Cartel
102
|
Posted - 2013.12.12 07:20:00 -
[27] - Quote
Having done SOE missions myself to get a Stratios, I can say OP spew wrong numbers out his rear. I run them with a Domi+Tengu combo and can pull about 10k skillpoints per hour with 2 accounts. Thats 32 mil per hour. Add in loot and salvage and you have about 40 mil per hour. If you can make 180 mil per hour, send me a video of you doing it, and ill double your 1 hour income for the trouble. |
Mara Rinn
Cosmic Goo Convertor
Cosmic Consortium
4397
|
Posted - 2013.12.12 08:30:00 -
[28] - Quote
Doesn't this thread belong in Market Discussion?
Day 0 advice for new players: Day 0 Advice for New Players |
marVLs
531
|
Posted - 2013.12.12 08:49:00 -
[29] - Quote
lol 180m/h so silly  OP forget to add hes doing it with 57 accounts, srly stop with that bull... 100-120 is max possible income with one char (3:1 LP transfer) |
I Love Boobies
All Hail Boobies
776
|
Posted - 2013.12.12 08:56:00 -
[30] - Quote
Jenn aSide wrote: Various quotes, la la la.
You may call me Boobs... and OP was specifically talking about getting the SOE ships themselves with LPs, specifically the Stratios. And I used to use a Golem, then switched to a Rattlesnake, then switched to a Domi after they changed the drone bonuses since I had Gallente Battleship on V for when I had the Rattlesnake. And I wasn't disputing making more ISK with SoE missions than null sec, I was disputing the 180 million an hour, which you yourself said you cannot make. 
Anyway, you might get to 180 an hour if you were able to blitz every single mission, @ max LPs and social skills, which isn't going to happen because the LP rewards vary greatly between the missions. It's quite rare to get max LP reward consecutively, and not all missions can be blitzed fast, some you have to kill every single rat to complete. And it makes it even more difficult with the 4 hour wait on declining missions if you declined those types of missions. |
|
|
|
|
| |
|
| Pages: [1] 2 3 4 5 :: one page |
| First page | Previous page | Next page | Last page |