More faulty thinking.

If you want to talk about what is exclusive. Exclusive is often the spoiled brat with 500$ allowance who buys 5 account through channels are that OFFICIALLY endorsed and is flying a fleet of carriers his first day in EVE on his 10 computers. Day 1 he is flying it because of cash. He comes here everyday and tell us how it is the smarter player who wins in EVE. Excluded from doing all that is the guy who often has to work for a living, has a familiy to feed and can't afford to buy multiple computers, accounts and isk, regardless of the extra time required to farm for PLEX for multiple accounts to be competitive with the spoilt brat. Day one, they encounter each other and fight 1 on 1. Can you guess what happens? The guy who paid money wins.

Regardless of teaching you the meaning of the word exclusive. Having or not having exclusive payed content is not the sole definition of pay 2 win, despite what defenders of pay 2 win games will tell you.

Try finding problems to my suggestions instead of trying to redefine p2w in your terms while ignoring the obvious.

What is wrong with adding some mechanics which require skillful interaction from the user? This would both decrease the power of multiboxing but make the game a lot more attractive for people who believe EVE PVP has low skill demand and requires too much investment to be competitive in.

Try finding problems to my suggestions instead of trying to redefine p2w in your terms while ignoring the obvious.

What is wrong with adding some mechanics which require skillful interaction from the user? This would both decrease the power of multiboxing but make the game a lot more attractive for people who believe EVE PVP has low skill demand and requires too much investment to be competitive in.

at most you can effectively play with 2 at a time

tell that to these guys

http://www.slashgear.com/eve-multiboxing-rig-skirts-gaming-rules-with-complex-controllers-1281188/

http://achrontimeless.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/multibox-1024x768.jpg

http://vindicator.us/images/arc7pve.jpg

tell that to these guys

http://www.slashgear.com/eve-multiboxing-rig-skirts-gaming-rules-with-complex-controllers-1281188/

http://achrontimeless.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/multibox-1024x768.jpg

http://vindicator.us/images/arc7pve.jpg

Conclusion: Daddy's boy rich kid with 500$ a week allowance gets to dominate you in EVE 1v1 until you get competitive with your wallet.

Many intelligent people understand this about EVE and stay away.

tell that to these guys

http://www.slashgear.com/eve-multiboxing-rig-skirts-gaming-rules-with-complex-controllers-1281188/

http://achrontimeless.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/multibox-1024x768.jpg

http://vindicator.us/images/arc7pve.jpg

I haven't spent a dollar on Eve for over a year now.
Just this last week we killed a 500 mil Demios with 15 frigs, I think you are playing Eve wrong.

If you want to talk about what is exclusive. Exclusive is often the spoiled brat with 500$ allowance who buys 5 account through channels are that OFFICIALLY endorsed and is flying a fleet of carriers his first day in EVE on his 10 computers. Day 1 he is flying it because of

Day one, they encounter each other and fight 1 on 1. Can you guess what happens?

Having or not having exclusive payed content is not the sole definition of pay 2 win, despite what defenders of pay 2 win games will tell you.

Try finding problems to my suggestions instead of trying to redefine p2w in your terms while ignoring the obvious.

Try finding problems to my suggestions instead of trying to redefine p2w in your terms while ignoring the obvious.

What is wrong with adding some mechanics which require skillful interaction from the user?

If you think EVE PVP requires little player interaction because you don't have to push buttons as quickly as you do raiding in WoW, then I have to conclude that you haven't done very much of it. Now, some activities don't require nearly as much attention, but you're still not paying to win if you multibox them.

keyboard diahorrea

I don't pay for any of my accounts unless I'm out of game or just being lazy....and I have four active.....I can basically plex an account every two days with like 2-3 hours of mission running, and an alt with like 16mil SP.

2/3 hours of mission running = 600mil isk payoff. Where da f---- you doing these missions?

"Isk is irrelevant for PvP" Yeah, so when my hired mercs and I gank you in my carrier full of officer fittings, it's not my bank balance in game spanking you.

Fact: Unlike other pvp mmorpgs, EVE's controls are simple enough and required interactions are low enough that simultaneously controlling multiple accounts is very easy to do.
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If you want to talk about what is exclusive. Exclusive is often the spoiled brat with 500$ allowance who buys 5 account through channels are that OFFICIALLY endorsed and is flying a fleet of carriers his first day in EVE on his 10 computers. Day 1 he is flying it because of cash. He comes here everyday and tell us how it is the smarter player who wins in EVE. Excluded from doing all that is the guy who often has to work for a living, has a familiy to feed and can't afford to buy multiple computers, accounts and isk, regardless of the extra time required to farm for PLEX for multiple accounts to be competitive with the spoilt brat. Day one, they encounter each other and fight 1 on 1. Can you guess what happens? The guy who paid money wins. He paid to win. It is not that difficult a concept to understand.

Hmm.... The sad part is that I don;t have to even read the thread to know what sort of heavy mental gymnastics are going on to deny that plex sales impact game play, making eve defacto p2w.

"Isk is irrelevant for PvP" Yeah, so when my hired mercs and I gank you in my carrier full of officer fittings, it's not my bank balance in game spanking you.

If you want to talk about what is exclusive. Exclusive is often the spoiled brat with 500$ allowance who buys 5 account through channels are that OFFICIALLY endorsed and is flying a fleet of carriers his first day in EVE on his 10 computers. Day 1 he is flying it because of cash. He comes here everyday and tell us how it is the smarter player who wins in EVE. Excluded from doing all that is the guy who often has to work for a living, has a familiy to feed and can't afford to buy multiple computers, accounts and isk, regardless of the extra time required to farm for PLEX for multiple accounts to be competitive with the spoilt brat. Day one, they encounter each other and fight 1 on 1. Can you guess what happens? The guy who paid money wins. He paid to win. It is not that difficult a concept to understand.

ummm.... just in case... is this is an example or an actual ingame situation? If in game... do you have names?

Fact: Unlike other pvp mmorpgs, EVE's controls are simple enough and required interactions are low enough that simultaneously controlling multiple accounts is very easy to do.


This creates an environment where multiple accounts are highly preferable to gain an edge over an opponent. The advantage of more accounts is compounded exponentially by the hard counters that are possible in pvp, such as E-war, Neut/Nos, RR etc.

In other mmorpgs, players are forced to group up and cooperate to achieve their goals because it is nearly impossible for them to play more than one or two accounts simultaneously and efficiently. In EVE, you don't need to find another buddy to fill that tackler role or neut role for you because you can just easily, or even more easily, use one of your alts to fulfill the role perfectly.



Conclusion: some spoiled rich kid with 500$ a week allowance gets to dominate you in EVE 1v1 until you get competitive with your wallet.

Many intelligent people understand this about EVE and stay away.


Solution: Require more input from the user. For example, requiring some degree of aiming or charge bars with timing requirements in combat would go a long way to improving the reputation and game play of EVE.