Hello.

I was just wondering, what scale fights do you think are the most fun in EVE?
What are the most competitive (EG: one side can't just win by escalating by overwhelming numbers)?

Has the limit on that greatly increased over the years? Are we at the point now that we several hundred capital ships on each side to have an interesting fight, where one side doesn't just escalate and blow the other out of the water?

Is the strength of the EVE infrastructure now not strong enough to reach this limit,
IE: as soon as both sides muster all of their powers, the nodes can no longer handle it and a crash happens?

If so, what are possible solutions to allow armadas to have competitive battles?

Is this part of the reason that our current bloc wars have so many people on each side?

Numbers and force always trump tactics and finesse.

Quantity has a quality of it's own.

I cringed.

Hold on boobies, with fewer people though, isn't there a large chance of an escalation?


EG: I'm the CEO of a 100 man corp, we have a fleet of 50 people against a similar sized group.

However, our enemies batphone a larger group and suddenly we are annihilated by a massive force.

Is the only counter to this to ensure that your own force is so massive that your enemy is not able to outnumber you significantly?

Is this part of the reason that our current bloc wars have so many people on each side?

Players blame CCP for the crashes, when it's the nature of the players themselves that is causing it. Sure, people say it's CCPs fault because they designed the game this way, but still comes down to the players choosing whether or not to do it.

the general idea is at a certain point when a ships shields or armor is taking damage, some of that energy is utilized by the ship to repair itself. At low levels, perhaps a dozen ships worth of damage that energy is negligible, perhaps providing 2% repair boosts but as the level rises the % rises.

So assigning 500 drones to one person and shooting one ship while everyone sits around would likely do 51% damage and 49% repair boost while assigning 50 drones would do 98% in damage and only 2% would be taken as energy to boost repairs.

Amazing. How do you think of this stuff?

terrible blobbers

no

there's a limit to how large you need to be, because above some amount the server will not handle it. so there's no need to match some group that has 10,000 pilots because they can't even cram half of that into a system. In fact, being able to put about 2000+ will keep you safe as an equal 2000 will be already making the best reinforced and tidied server suffer.

if it's a surprise and there's no reinforced node the bar is much lower, however you really want to be able to reach the bar for the most important fights on stations etc. Like a 6vdt event, about 4700 combined...

With about 500 archons and 200 supercarriers and 50 titans (add a hundred or so interceptors) you should be good to defend against 10000 blobbers.

My favorite fights are 3v3 or 5v5 etc. small scale requires faster decisions than carrier blobs with sentries in 10% TIDI. Hell, I got owned by an Ishtar 4v1. I think fun PVP happens in situations like that. We got owned, but we had a blast doing it

It's an experience in its own. Tidi sucks and sometimes the large fights aren't all that fun (often they are, though) but in the end it's still pretty cool to be a part of something that actually has broader-reaching implications for the game.

What would those broad reaching implications be? You get a pretty dot on a map in space and your alliance's name in a caption on the top of the screen...

For the majority of people the implications are nill.

One day they'll wise up and actually make it detrimental to dogpile your enemy. Until then don't expect different results from doing the same thing.

ccp nerf friends please

It's an experience in its own. Tidi sucks and sometimes the large fights aren't all that fun (often they are, though) but in the end it's still pretty cool to be a part of something that actually has broader-reaching implications for the game.

Hello.

I was just wondering, what scale fights do you think are the most fun in EVE?
What are the most competitive (EG: one side can't just win by escalating by overwhelming numbers)?

Has the limit on that greatly increased over the years? Are we at the point now that we several hundred capital ships on each side to have an interesting fight, where one side doesn't just escalate and blow the other out of the water?

Is the strength of the EVE infrastructure now not strong enough to reach this limit,
IE: as soon as both sides muster all of their powers, the nodes can no longer handle it and a crash happens?

If so, what are possible solutions to allow armadas to have competitive battles?

What would those broad reaching implications be? You get a pretty dot on a map in space and your alliance's name in a caption on the top of the screen...

For the majority of people the implications are nill.

What would those broad reaching implications be? You get a pretty dot on a map in space and your alliance's name in a caption on the top of the screen...

For the majority of people the implications are nill.

Actually the developers thought of it (Capacitor Batteries reflecting energy back at the aggressor), in this case instead of reflecting energy, hardeners could absorb excess energy instead and increase their resists or something.

The doctrine of bringing as many ships and firing at one person would not be as effective and the drone assist / slow cat / reinforce a region full of POS in a few hours would no longer be the only tactic that works.

Hello.

I was just wondering, what scale fights do you think are the most fun in EVE?
What are the most competitive (EG: one side can't just win by escalating by overwhelming numbers)?

Has the limit on that greatly increased over the years? Are we at the point now that we several hundred capital ships on each side to have an interesting fight, where one side doesn't just escalate and blow the other out of the water?

Is the strength of the EVE infrastructure now not strong enough to reach this limit,
IE: as soon as both sides muster all of their powers, the nodes can no longer handle it and a crash happens?

If so, what are possible solutions to allow armadas to have competitive battles?

It's more the fact that he's using his mouse for everything, not following primaries, etc.

lol@thinking big nullblobfights are relevant and have "implications for the game" outside of who has ratting rights in a system.

The problem in null is that there is nothing to discourage you from fielding as many ships as you have available until the node crashes.
Take wormholes as an example:
In theory there is nothing preventing you from fielding several hundred slowcats,but it would take forever to bring them into an enemy's hole which greatly discourages node crashing fleet battles.
In null you can just as easily field 200 slowcats as you can field one - just drop a cyno and say hello to TiDi.
If CCP would fix that then we would see a lot more interesting battles in null instead of having lots of battle reports end with "and then the node crashed".

What would you rather have? A system whereby there's a fight and you try to join in because it sounds fun and you want to play internet spaceships but the game doesn't let you because you didn't get there in time?
Yeah, that's totally the kind of game I want to play.

What would those broad reaching implications be? You get a pretty dot on a map in space and your alliance's name in a caption on the top of the screen...

For the majority of people the implications are nill.

I would opine that the current trend of single ship blobs that null sec is becoming (again) is NOT where Eve Online shines.

In pure numbers of players interacting, it's impressive- but the actual experience of those fights leaves much to be desired. Between hideous TiDi, node crashes, and the inherently brainless tactics that single ship blobs employ- it is a far cry from what is, at least in my opinion, where PvP does actually 'shine'.

My favorite fleets are medium sized 20-50 man gangs. Large enough to have all fleet roles represented, large enough to not spend it's time constantly running away- but very rarely does it trip TiDi, and while you can sustain some losses without having to call it quits, every ship still counts. This is where tactics and doctrines really get tested. And since Tiericide, has seen an explosion of once ignored ships becoming useful. Variety is fun.

When I started Eve, it was the days of there being basically three ships used in PvP- the Sabre, the Blackbird, and of course....the NanoDrake. Drakes as far as the D-Scan could see. Didn't matter that there were dozens of cool looking ships in the game, just fly Drakes.........AND IT WAS BORING.

Sadly, both N3 and the CFC have taken Eve two steps backwards by announcing that once again the meta is blobbing a single ship type and PvP being a matter of spamming F1.
I consider that the single greatest proof of a broken mechanic in Eve- when blobbing one ship is so powerful that the only response is to counter blob with another-- that's broken.

There is a world of difference between big fights, and good fights.

Case in point: If there 100 Abaddons on field, that Deimos fleet would have wiped.

Numbers > tactics.

Actually the developers thought of it (Capacitor Batteries reflecting energy back at the aggressor), in this case instead of reflecting energy, hardeners could absorb excess energy instead and increase their resists or something.

The doctrine of bringing as many ships and firing at one person would not be as effective and the drone assist / slow cat / reinforce a region full of POS in a few hours would no longer be the only tactic that works.