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Miklas Laces	Posted - 2006.03.21 14:21:00 - [31] 4x Heavy Electron II 2x Medium Nos 1x Y-T8 Mwd 1x X5 Webber 1x Scrambler 1x Medium Rep II 1x Explosive Hardener II 1x Energized Adaptive II 1x Damage control 2x Mag Field Stab II 5x Hammerhead II
Tadis	Posted - 2006.03.21 15:59:00 - [32] Electron set-up: 5 x Electron Blaster II 1 x med nos 1 x 10mn mwd (named) 1 x web 1 x 20k scrambler 1 x med rep II 1 x explosive hardener 1 x adaptive nano membrane II 1 x 400mm tungesten platre 2 x mag stab II 5 x Valk II
Grut	Posted - 2006.03.21 17:32:00 - [33] 5 250 2's (spike m is good) 10mn ab/track comp II/sensor booster II exp hardner/small t2 rep/rcuII/3x mag stab II's 100km range on spike Why? you'll actually be able to hit stuff rather then spend 95% of your time mwding about and you'll actually do an arseload more damage then any other midrange hac. Sure its not its meant for but a deimos cant do close range to save its life, use a vaga their far better, or if you really lub blasters a beagle will beat it 2. Kinsy > deadman you there? Kinsy > are either of us in pods, becase we dont know... Mostly harmless [ 2005.12.09 19:22:50 ] (notify) You have started trying to warp scramble the Dreadnought
KilROCK	Posted - 2006.03.21 18:05:00 - [34] ^^ Should fly an eagle.. Originally by: Ithildin Q: Will the Gallente ship have lots of missiles? I think it's time. A: Die. You are not
Grut	Posted - 2006.03.21 18:06:00 - [35] Edited by: Grut on 21/03/2006 18:06:34 Originally by: KilROCK ^^ Should fly an eagle.. Somone does http://www.killboard.net/?p=details&id=59142 Kinsy > deadman you there? Kinsy > are either of us in pods, becase we dont know... Mostly harmless [ 2005.12.09 19:22:50 ] (notify) You have started trying to warp scramble the Dreadnought
KilROCK	Posted - 2006.03.21 18:18:00 - [36] Hmm diomorph followed menth into RKK... nice Originally by: Ithildin Q: Will the Gallente ship have lots of missiles? I think it's time. A: Die. You are not
Grut	Posted - 2006.03.21 18:21:00 - [37] Originally by: KilROCK Hmm diomorph followed menth into RKK... nice Kinsy > deadman you there? Kinsy > are either of us in pods, becase we dont know... Mostly harmless [ 2005.12.09 19:22:50 ] (notify) You have started trying to warp scramble the Dreadnought
Isonkon Serikain	Posted - 2006.03.21 19:19:00 - [38] wow, with an 800 mm plate you push the armor up to 5k... thats impressive. IIRC, I get 5900 with a 1600mm rolled tungsten on my sacrilege... only 800 more armor, twice the fitting requirement... Why is that... Ison's notches
Famine Aligher'ri	Posted - 2006.03.21 19:32:00 - [39] Edited by: Famine Aligher''ri on 21/03/2006 19:36:05 Maxed out skills ect with THIS setup Gun DPS with Void: 567.535 Drone DPS: 104.4 Total = 671.935 Someone correct me if Im wrong here. Anyways, the setup is trash. VagaBond similar but with a much better tank. 425 II/Warrio II Drone with Hail = 555.677 DPS
Brisi	Posted - 2006.03.21 20:49:00 - [40] Originally by: Isonkon Serikain wow, with an 800 mm plate you push the armor up to 5k... thats impressive. IIRC, I get 5900 with a 1600mm rolled tungsten on my sacrilege... only 800 more armor, twice the fitting requirement... Why is that... Most likely he's got a Slave Implant Set, otherwise he wouldn't be able to get those numbers.
Jevnikar	Posted - 2006.03.23 09:22:00 - [41] Originally by: Gariuys Originally by: Jevnikar Originally by: DeathWarrior Edited by: DeathWarrior on 10/03/2006 13:32:40 DPS From Guns : 853.973 dps DPS From Drones : 163.125 Total DPS : 1017.098 What you think, any suggestion on what i should change? Plz be so kind and paste the formula how you came by 1017 DPS. "Damage Per Second" deimos has dps of 400 if your realy well tooled up and skilled. It's closer then your dps figure ( you're off by 400, he was off by 220 ) so... why dont you stop ****ing and thx to biomass guy pasting that with maxed skill's dps from guns is 567 let's see .. ROF, 3,29 damage mod, 9 damage from 1 Void = 30 guns, 5x ion t2 so you got 3095(guns) / 3,29 = 410.something DPS so with non maxed skill's ion's would do 410 stop being a ****, fit miner and go do what you do best!
Gariuys	Posted - 2006.03.23 09:29:00 - [42] What is it. Well tooled up and skilled? Or non max skills. And I got every fecking right to talk about the deimos. I've been flying one since october 2004!!!!! Deimos is all about dps. It's the only thing it has going for it. So any mistakes in dps calculations is something I wanna correct so people don't get the wrong idea. Max dps from guns alone on a 2 SS mag field deimos using 5 ions and void is 640 dps. I know cause it's what I'm flying. Coming up with quickfit numbers ( a program that messes up dps calculatiosn quite a lot ) to tell someone that's been flying a deimos exclusively for 1 and a half years is a bit well foolish really. ~{When evil and strange get together anything is possible}~ A tool is only useless when you don't know how to use it. - ActiveX The grass is always greener on the other side. - JoCool
Gariuys	Posted - 2006.03.23 09:32:00 - [43] Originally by: Famine Aligher'ri Edited by: Famine Aligher''ri on 21/03/2006 19:36:05 Maxed out skills ect with THIS setup Gun DPS with Void: 567.535 Drone DPS: 104.4 Total = 671.935 Someone correct me if Im wrong here. Anyways, the setup is trash. VagaBond similar but with a much better tank. 425 II/Warrio II Drone with Hail = 555.677 DPS Drone dps can be a lot higher if you use maxed out hammerhead IIs. Without implants and normal magfields that dps is quite correct. ~{When evil and strange get together anything is possible}~ A tool is only useless when you don't know how to use it. - ActiveX The grass is always greener on the other side. - JoCool
Jevnikar	Posted - 2006.03.23 09:42:00 - [44] Originally by: Gariuys What is it. Well tooled up and skilled? Or non max skills. And I got every fecking right to talk about the deimos. I've been flying one since october 2004!!!!! Deimos is all about dps. It's the only thing it has going for it. So any mistakes in dps calculations is something I wanna correct so people don't get the wrong idea. Max dps from guns alone on a 2 SS mag field deimos using 5 ions and void is 640 dps. I know cause it's what I'm flying. Coming up with quickfit numbers ( a program that messes up dps calculatiosn quite a lot ) to tell someone that's been flying a deimos exclusively for 1 and a half years is a bit well foolish really. lovely, now paste fitting, damage mod+rof. and that's not from quickfit
Gariuys	Posted - 2006.03.23 09:51:00 - [45] Don't know damage mod and rof exactly by heart. And won't be in a position to get them till saturday evening but setup is: 5x ion 2 (void) 1x medium diminishing nos 1x SS mwd, 1x fleeting web, 1x pwnage painter 1x TS med armor rep, 1x RCU II, 1x DB EANM, 1x SS ERM 2x SS Mag field. 5x hammerhead II 1x 5% med hybrid implant, 3% rof implant And if I remember correctly it's a 10.89 damage mod and 2.56 rof ( gives 638 dps the other 2 dps comes from what's further behind the comma in the damage mod. ) ~{When evil and strange get together anything is possible}~ A tool is only useless when you don't know how to use it. - ActiveX The grass is always greener on the other side. - JoCool
Jevnikar	Posted - 2006.03.23 10:07:00 - [46] /retracts :) one thing only.. send me mail with t2 stabs thx
Kamate	Posted - 2006.03.24 03:12:00 - [47] What do maxed T2 hammerheads do dps wise anyway out of curiousity? Just trying to add my figures up and i cant remember after being away for 2 weeks... anyone...assuming max drone skills too?
Gariuys	Posted - 2006.03.24 08:06:00 - [48] Originally by: Kamate What do maxed T2 hammerheads do dps wise anyway out of curiousity? Just trying to add my figures up and i cant remember after being away for 2 weeks... anyone...assuming max drone skills too? 12 thermal damage * 1.92 (damage modifier) * 2 (drone interfacing) * 1.25 (combat drone operation) * 1.1 (gallente drone specialization) / 2 (rate of fire) = 31.68 dps per drone. 158.4 dps for 5 hammerheads. with 640 from my guns that's ~800dps total ( disadvantage is that 62.5% of your damage is thermal and 37.5% kinetic ) ~{When evil and strange get together anything is possible}~ A tool is only useless when you don't know how to use it. - ActiveX The grass is always greener on the other side. - JoCool
Distressed Damsel	Posted - 2006.03.27 09:32:00 - [49] Hi, I know this may be a n00b question but, why use Drones doing Thermal damage? Would Explosive or EM not be better? Confused.
Gariuys	Posted - 2006.03.27 10:07:00 - [50] Edited by: Gariuys on 27/03/2006 10:10:52 Depends on the target, in my case I fight serpentis a lot, a npc that's weak to thermic damage. Using drones your target is weak against is always a good idea. But there is a damage difference between the drones. Valkyries for instance have a base damage ( before skills ) of: 9.36 dps While hammerheads have a base damage of: 11.52 dps And infiltrators have: 8.28 dps Which means that even when not factoring in my gallente drone spec skill at 5 which gives another 10% damage bonus. If I'm fighting a target which has 50% thermal resistance it's explosive resistance would have to be lower then 38.5% for me to do more damage with valkyries. Most tanks have their resistances pretty equal. And with the 10% bonus factored in. Their explosive resistance would have to be lower then 32.4% Against shields the switch from thermal too em drones is even less worth it. Since the 20% resistance difference is undone and then some by the much lower base damage of the infiltrators. A difference that should be noted as well however is the fact that hammerheads are also the slowest drones, and have the poorest tracking. ( and are hardest to kill ) What all that means in my book, is that the only time it's worth switching drones is against npcs ( and then only if they're your primary damage, as secondary damage the difference is minimal ) Against t2 ships that haven't plugged their resistance holes ( unlikely ) and unhardened t1 ships ( equally unlikely ) So I've just gone for the highest damage drones which are the best for most situations, and try to make up any differences by having superb drone skills. ~{When evil and strange get together anything is possible}~ A tool is only useless when you don't know how to use it. - ActiveX The grass is always greener on the other side. - JoCool
Miklas Laces	Posted - 2006.03.27 21:39:00 - [51] Great PVP setup that owns !!! Needs good skills, it's a bit tight but fits. 4x Heavy Neutron Blasters II 1x Medium Armor Repairer II 10x empty slots
Ras Blumin	Posted - 2006.03.27 22:09:00 - [52] A dirty job - Released 2006.01.02
Caldorous	Posted - 2006.03.27 22:15:00 - [53] Originally by: Distressed Damsel Hi, I know this may be a n00b question but, why use Drones doing Thermal damage? Would Explosive or EM not be better? Confused. thermal drones are more versatile too because are the ones with more dmg multiplier so in case of doubt i think that the thermal drones are a nice choice to take. ----------------------------- I know where is the ISD naughty secret
Distressed Damsel	Posted - 2006.03.28 05:51:00 - [54] Thanks for the responses. Some nice setups here. Shame I cant fit most of them lol. Cheers all
Gariuys	Posted - 2006.03.30 07:21:00 - [55] Originally by: Distressed Damsel Thanks for the responses. Some nice setups here. Shame I cant fit most of them lol. Cheers all Don't worry took me 1 and a half years to fit what I fit today and have the skills to go with it. And I'm still not maxed out, keep training and you'll get there. ( And rob the suckers that kept saving you... oh wait that's me too ) ~{When evil and strange get together anything is possible}~ A tool is only useless when you don't know how to use it. - ActiveX The grass is always greener on the other side. - JoCool
Asurix	Posted - 2006.04.04 18:44:00 - [56] 5x electron II (null) e50 mwd, web, scramble MAR II, energized reactive II, energized adaptive II, 2x mag field, cap relay
miss sushanta	Posted - 2006.04.09 16:15:00 - [57] is the Deimos only a blaster boat ? is there no long range setup for it ?
Dash Ripcock	Posted - 2006.04.09 16:45:00 - [58] I've switched recently, since I just love the look of Ion Blasters so much: High 5 * Heavy Ion Blaster IIs 1 * S Nosferatu (E5 or Diminishing) Med 1 * MWD II 1 * Web 1 * Scrambler (7.5Km) Low 1 * M Armour Rep II 1 * Explosive Hardener (N-Type) 1 * CPR 1 * Mag Stab II OR Energised Adaptive Nano II 2 * Mag Stab IIs Drones 5 * Hammerhead IIs I was using a mixture of Ion and Electrons before with a PDU, but I switched to full Ions. Why? The PDU was giving me boosts where I didn't need it i.e. shields. I want cap. I feel the CPR and S Nosferatu make up for the lack of M Nosferatu and PDU II. The use of Ions also opens up the opportunity to use Null ammunition in case you get webbed. Swap the Nano around with the Mag Stab depending on whether or not you want 25% more defences, or 25% more firepower (roughly speaking). Damage-wise with three Mag Stab IIs I get: Guns w/ Antimatter = ~500 DPS Guns w/ Void = 625 DPS Drones = 150 DPS ---------- Total DPS = 650 with AM, 775 with Void So far so good, but I still have a frigate module to fit the damned things even though they're med-range blasters. Oh, and she still turns like a bus! However, for now she will have to make do... Save The Deimos
Asurix	Posted - 2006.04.10 20:36:00 - [59] alright atm I'm using this: 5x electron II with med diminishing domination 10mn mwd, web, 20km MAR, corpum a-type energized reactive, DB energized adaptive, 2x mag stab, 1x local hull overdrive injector Improves that speed issue a bit
HatePeace LoveWar	Posted - 2006.04.12 18:06:00 - [60] Well i'm still unsure about the deimos, i mean you defo need the explosive hardner as anything minmitar will make you cry salty tears. Then there is the zealot issue, which i think is going to send me into depression. I almost got spanked lastnight by one and only got out due to the fact the guy had a multispec on for a scrambler. Insta gank .4 pirate basically. Anyhow i've been chucking some ideas about and this is what i want to consider, i haven't tested so not sure on the fitting. have a gander: HI: 5x Ions 1x Nos <--- dont think it can be fitted tbh. Mids: 1x named mwd 1x warp scrambler 1x cap recharger II Low: 1x MARII 1x Explosive Hardner. 2x Adaptive Nanno's 2x Mag Stab Drones: Webbing Drones Now i can already imagine that cpu is an issue here, but dropping the web and using drones instead will bolster your tank significantly as u can move the cap to the spare mid slot. Im gonna get home 2night and have a play with the fitting, but lemme know what u think on the idea so far. Carrier & Fighter Sales

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