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Gregor Parud
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2013.12.22 11:06:00 -
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Don't get me wrong, I enjoy the effort they put into the whole Yule Lads thing and I realise that anything CCP injects into the game is going to cause ripples one way or another but really, giving away T2 modules just is a "no go" kind of thing. T1 modules can also be npc drops and thus those are less of an issue but T2 items are all player produced and while they're "just" T2 data and relic analysers it does affect supply and demand for a player created product, effectively fcking over anyone producing or trading these (and no, I'm not one of them).
CCP shouldn't interfere with the market on specific items (be they Ishuk Scorpions, Magnates, T2 modules or whatever other silly thing they may come up with) like that, one would have thought they'd have learned that by now. Ideally they'd only give away stuff that's without any sort of use and doesn't interfere with any existing product but realistically that'll be quite difficult and costly to come up with something new every time, but they should at least realise what NOT to do.
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baltec1
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
9128
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Posted - 2013.12.22 11:08:00 -
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I would be surprised if this caused a blip let alone the crash of the markets. Join Bat Country today and defend the Glorious Socialist Dictatorship |

ElQuirko
Black Dragon Fighting Society The Devil's Tattoo
2796
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Posted - 2013.12.22 11:11:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:I would be surprised if this caused a blip let alone the crash of the markets.
Basically this. A load of T1/T2 junk is basically nothing. 30 Ishukone Scorpions are something totally different, OP. Dodixie > Hek |

Gregor Parud
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
82
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Posted - 2013.12.22 11:11:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:I would be surprised if this caused a blip let alone the crash of the markets.
if "everyone" or at least a vast majority gets them then it will have an effect, it's not going to be the end of the world nor have any very long lasting effects at all, but it's the principle of the thing; CCP shouldn't touch player created products. |

Destination SkillQueue
Are We There Yet
5810
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Posted - 2013.12.22 11:12:00 -
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I'm surprised I haven't seen anyone complain about this before. Having to compete with hundreds of thousands of CCP spawned items can't be good for their sales. The effect per individual player might be small, but that's still a huge number of sales they're not going to make. |

Cavalira
Valar Morghulis. Goonswarm Federation
255
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Posted - 2013.12.22 11:23:00 -
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**** happens. |

Jill Xelitras
Xeltec services Russian International Allegiance
275
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Posted - 2013.12.22 11:37:00 -
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All I wanted was a pink thong.
Maybe next year. Also, can someone explain what this thread is about?-á (Relax ! I'm just quoting Holgrak Blacksmith here.)
When life gives you lemons, swap letters and poof: melons, solemn melons.
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Little Dragon Khamez
Guardians of the Underworld White Mountain Coalition
724
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Posted - 2013.12.22 11:41:00 -
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Gregor Parud wrote:baltec1 wrote:I would be surprised if this caused a blip let alone the crash of the markets. if "everyone" or at least a vast majority gets them then it will have an effect, it's not going to be the end of the world nor have any very long lasting effects at all, but it's the principle of the thing; CCP shouldn't touch player created products.
Virtually all items can be player created, are you saying that CCP shouldn't give away anything at all? Dumbing down of Eve Online will result in it's destruction... |

Kate stark
1015
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Posted - 2013.12.22 11:44:00 -
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Little Dragon Khamez wrote:Gregor Parud wrote:baltec1 wrote:I would be surprised if this caused a blip let alone the crash of the markets. if "everyone" or at least a vast majority gets them then it will have an effect, it's not going to be the end of the world nor have any very long lasting effects at all, but it's the principle of the thing; CCP shouldn't touch player created products. Virtually all items can be player created, are you saying that CCP shouldn't give away anything at all?
ccp should give out more fun stuff rather than junk you wouldn't even loot from a wreck.
snowballs are fun, fedo was great, neural remaps were awesome when ccp gave them away (or gave you the option for a carepackage of USEFUL stuff) etc.
previous year's gifts and giveaways have all been better than the yule lads junk. Yay, this account hasn't had its signature banned. or its account, if you're reading this. |

Gregor Parud
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
83
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Posted - 2013.12.22 11:45:00 -
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Little Dragon Khamez wrote:Gregor Parud wrote:baltec1 wrote:I would be surprised if this caused a blip let alone the crash of the markets. if "everyone" or at least a vast majority gets them then it will have an effect, it's not going to be the end of the world nor have any very long lasting effects at all, but it's the principle of the thing; CCP shouldn't touch player created products. Virtually all items can be player created, are you saying that CCP shouldn't give away anything at all?
No, what I'm saying is that you should probably read the OP better and use less straw man stuff. per op; "i't always going to cause ripples but toying with stuff that's ONLY player produced, instead of also being drops or otherwise attainable, is just wrong. |
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James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation
7105
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Posted - 2013.12.22 12:12:00 -
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I'm having a hard time mustering the care for this. Latest video - Pandemic Legion titan and supers killed |

Kate stark
1018
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Posted - 2013.12.22 12:14:00 -
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James Amril-Kesh wrote:I'm having a hard time mustering the care for this. still enough to post. Yay, this account hasn't had its signature banned. or its account, if you're reading this. |

Mallak Azaria
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3896
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Posted - 2013.12.22 12:15:00 -
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If they were giving away tens of thousands of T2 BPO's then I might give a ****. This user won the forums on 18/09/2013, then lost on 18/12/2013. |

Mizhir
Euphoria Released Triumvirate.
48309
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Posted - 2013.12.22 12:18:00 -
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Kate stark wrote:Little Dragon Khamez wrote:Gregor Parud wrote:baltec1 wrote:I would be surprised if this caused a blip let alone the crash of the markets. if "everyone" or at least a vast majority gets them then it will have an effect, it's not going to be the end of the world nor have any very long lasting effects at all, but it's the principle of the thing; CCP shouldn't touch player created products. Virtually all items can be player created, are you saying that CCP shouldn't give away anything at all? ccp should give out more fun stuff rather than junk you wouldn't even loot from a wreck. snowballs are fun, fedo was great, neural remaps were awesome when ccp gave them away (or gave you the option for a carepackage of USEFUL stuff) etc. previous year's gifts and giveaways have all been better than the yule lads junk.
You know, there are still 2 days left. Did you expect to get 13 remaps and genolution implants this year?
All these junk items are meant as a joke, you can trash them if you dont like them.
Tomorrow we will most likely get a Genolution implant and on the 24th we will most likely get the fancy minmatar shuttle. One Man Crew - The official Bringing Solo Back contest
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James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation
7105
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Posted - 2013.12.22 12:19:00 -
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Kate stark wrote:James Amril-Kesh wrote:I'm having a hard time mustering the care for this. still enough to post. Of course I cared to post. Point was that I don't care to go on a crusade of outrage at CCP over giving out small-time T2 items for Christmas. If they were giving out something that had a greater profit margin I might. Latest video - Pandemic Legion titan and supers killed |

James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation
7105
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Posted - 2013.12.22 12:20:00 -
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Mizhir wrote:You know, there are still 2 days left. Did you expect to get 13 remaps and genolution implants this year?
All these junk items are meant as a joke, you can trash them if you dont like them.
Tomorrow we will most likely get a Genolution implant and on the 24th we will most likely get the fancy minmatar shuttle. I look forward to these items if we get them, and I look forward to the cries of Christmas injustice if we don't. Either way I win. Latest video - Pandemic Legion titan and supers killed |

Kate stark
1019
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Posted - 2013.12.22 12:23:00 -
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Mizhir wrote:Kate stark wrote:Little Dragon Khamez wrote:Gregor Parud wrote:baltec1 wrote:I would be surprised if this caused a blip let alone the crash of the markets. if "everyone" or at least a vast majority gets them then it will have an effect, it's not going to be the end of the world nor have any very long lasting effects at all, but it's the principle of the thing; CCP shouldn't touch player created products. Virtually all items can be player created, are you saying that CCP shouldn't give away anything at all? ccp should give out more fun stuff rather than junk you wouldn't even loot from a wreck. snowballs are fun, fedo was great, neural remaps were awesome when ccp gave them away (or gave you the option for a carepackage of USEFUL stuff) etc. previous year's gifts and giveaways have all been better than the yule lads junk. You know, there are still 2 days left. Did you expect to get 13 remaps and genolution implants this year? All these junk items are meant as a joke, you can trash them if you dont like them. Tomorrow we will most likely get a Genolution implant and on the 24th we will most likely get the fancy minmatar shuttle.
no, i didn't. if you're dumb enough to think that's even remotely what I implied then I worry for you.
they might be meant as a joke but that's kinda the point, they're only a joke in the "this is a waste of ******* time" rather than "oh, that's cool". the only one that i have redeemed and not thought "why did i bother/what was i expecting?" was fedo. even then, i'd rather have had 1 remap than any of the junk we've been given so far. Yay, this account hasn't had its signature banned. or its account, if you're reading this. |

Gregor Parud
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
84
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Posted - 2013.12.22 12:23:00 -
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James Amril-Kesh wrote:Kate stark wrote:James Amril-Kesh wrote:I'm having a hard time mustering the care for this. still enough to post. Of course I cared to post. Point was that I don't care to go on a crusade of outrage at CCP over giving out small-time T2 items for Christmas. If they were giving out something that had a greater profit margin I might.
I'm not "outraged", but at the same time I DO care about the principle even though it doesn't affect me personally.
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Haygrove
Sturmgrenadier Inc
2
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Posted - 2013.12.22 12:28:00 -
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I found the whole event to be enjoyable. I have a variety of items, that while I have little use for most... I can use for other things. I was sitting around wondering what to do with some of my loyalty points when suddenly I got some T1 launchers and got an idea to use them to convert to faction modules, which gleaned me a nice profit. I was in low sec doing my thing when I had an idea to transport some goods to highsec to make some profit and lo-behold.... Yule Lads gave me a cargo extender II. While I have no use for the snowball launcher, plenty of people in my corporation did for an in house event so I repackaged that gift and bam, brownie points.
Really, all of this has been a boon and there has been no downfall. It is all optional, you do not even get this stuff automatically. While there can always be "Better" options when it comes to gifts (and there are entirely too many threads on this subject) the fact of the matter is that you get gifts at all should be important. |

Mizhir
Euphoria Released Triumvirate.
48309
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Posted - 2013.12.22 12:35:00 -
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Kate stark wrote:
no, i didn't. if you're dumb enough to think that's even remotely what I implied then I worry for you.
they might be meant as a joke but that's kinda the point, they're only a joke in the "this is a waste of ******* time" rather than "oh, that's cool". the only one that i haven't redeemed and thought "why did i bother/what was i expecting?" was fedo. even then, i'd rather have had 1 remap than any of the junk we've been given so far.
Why don't you just claim them all on the 24th? problem solved. You only have to claim the **** once and you will get something neat on top of it, it will probably not be a remap, but it will be something of value.
You whine like a little spoiled kid who thinks that every gift must be something super awesome and you fail to understand that these gifts are all parts of one gift, where the last 1 or 2 parts are the actual gifts.
I find it entertaining to read about the yule lads and then guess what they give. It is nice to learn about other traditions and for some reason there is something nostalgic over christmas calenders like this. Makes me think of my childhood.
And the fedo is funny. I wish I could have it crawling around in my CQ. One Man Crew - The official Bringing Solo Back contest
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Kate stark
1022
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Posted - 2013.12.22 12:51:00 -
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Mizhir wrote:Kate stark wrote:
no, i didn't. if you're dumb enough to think that's even remotely what I implied then I worry for you.
they might be meant as a joke but that's kinda the point, they're only a joke in the "this is a waste of ******* time" rather than "oh, that's cool". the only one that i haven't redeemed and thought "why did i bother/what was i expecting?" was fedo. even then, i'd rather have had 1 remap than any of the junk we've been given so far.
Why don't you just claim them all on the 24th? problem solved. You only have to claim the **** once and you will get something neat on top of it, it will probably not be a remap, but it will be something of value. You whine like a little spoiled kid who thinks that every gift must be something super awesome and you fail to understand that these gifts are all parts of one gift, where the last 1 or 2 parts are the actual gifts. I find it entertaining to read about the yule lads and then guess what they give. It is nice to learn about other traditions and for some reason there is something nostalgic over christmas calenders like this. Makes me think of my childhood. And the fedo is funny. I wish I could have it crawling around in my CQ.
when you claim the gifts, is irrelevant.
i'm not whining, i'm just pointing out past gifts have been better. you seem to be failing to even understand the point i'm making. Yay, this account hasn't had its signature banned. or its account, if you're reading this. |

Mizhir
Euphoria Released Triumvirate.
48309
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Posted - 2013.12.22 13:03:00 -
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Kate stark wrote:Mizhir wrote:Kate stark wrote:
no, i didn't. if you're dumb enough to think that's even remotely what I implied then I worry for you.
they might be meant as a joke but that's kinda the point, they're only a joke in the "this is a waste of ******* time" rather than "oh, that's cool". the only one that i haven't redeemed and thought "why did i bother/what was i expecting?" was fedo. even then, i'd rather have had 1 remap than any of the junk we've been given so far.
Why don't you just claim them all on the 24th? problem solved. You only have to claim the **** once and you will get something neat on top of it, it will probably not be a remap, but it will be something of value. You whine like a little spoiled kid who thinks that every gift must be something super awesome and you fail to understand that these gifts are all parts of one gift, where the last 1 or 2 parts are the actual gifts. I find it entertaining to read about the yule lads and then guess what they give. It is nice to learn about other traditions and for some reason there is something nostalgic over christmas calenders like this. Makes me think of my childhood. And the fedo is funny. I wish I could have it crawling around in my CQ. when you claim the gifts, is irrelevant. i'm not whining, i'm just pointing out past gifts have been better. you seem to be failing to even understand the point i'm making.
Then dont claim them.
I agree with you that there are probably not many gifts that are as valuable as a remap. But how can you say that previous gifts have been better when you haven't recieved the gift yet? If my estimations are correct, then this year's gifts will be great. I would love to see the price on the new genolution drop and some people might see a good use of a superfast shuttle to get around.
If you aren't whining, then why do you make such a big deal out of the Yule Lads? If you want to compare this year's gift with the ones from previous years then use the actual gift for comparison.
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Logan Revelore
Minimal Solutions Aurora Irae
9
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Posted - 2013.12.22 13:19:00 -
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Gregor Parud wrote:Don't get me wrong, I enjoy the effort they put into the whole Yule Lads thing and I realise that anything CCP injects into the game is going to cause ripples one way or another but really, giving away T2 modules just is a "no go" kind of thing. T1 modules can also be npc drops and thus those are less of an issue but T2 items are all player produced and while they're "just" T2 data and relic analysers it does affect supply and demand for a player created product, effectively fcking over anyone producing or trading these (and no, I'm not one of them).
CCP shouldn't interfere with the market on specific items (be they Ishuk Scorpions, Magnates, T2 modules or whatever other silly thing they may come up with) like that, one would have thought they'd have learned that by now. Ideally they'd only give away stuff that's without any sort of use and doesn't interfere with any existing product but realistically that'll be quite difficult and costly to come up with something new every time, but they should at least realise what NOT to do.
Try to view CCP as a force of nature. Just like a hurricane can fck with a production facility in the affected area, so can the CCP fck with areas of the economy. |

Kate stark
1022
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Posted - 2013.12.22 13:22:00 -
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Mizhir wrote:Kate stark wrote:Mizhir wrote:Kate stark wrote:
no, i didn't. if you're dumb enough to think that's even remotely what I implied then I worry for you.
they might be meant as a joke but that's kinda the point, they're only a joke in the "this is a waste of ******* time" rather than "oh, that's cool". the only one that i haven't redeemed and thought "why did i bother/what was i expecting?" was fedo. even then, i'd rather have had 1 remap than any of the junk we've been given so far.
Why don't you just claim them all on the 24th? problem solved. You only have to claim the **** once and you will get something neat on top of it, it will probably not be a remap, but it will be something of value. You whine like a little spoiled kid who thinks that every gift must be something super awesome and you fail to understand that these gifts are all parts of one gift, where the last 1 or 2 parts are the actual gifts. I find it entertaining to read about the yule lads and then guess what they give. It is nice to learn about other traditions and for some reason there is something nostalgic over christmas calenders like this. Makes me think of my childhood. And the fedo is funny. I wish I could have it crawling around in my CQ. when you claim the gifts, is irrelevant. i'm not whining, i'm just pointing out past gifts have been better. you seem to be failing to even understand the point i'm making. Then dont claim them. I agree with you that there are probably not many gifts that are as valuable as a remap. But how can you say that previous gifts have been better when you haven't recieved the gift yet? If my estimations are correct, then this year's gifts will be great. I would love to see the price on the new genolution drop and some people might see a good use of a superfast shuttle to get around. If you aren't whining, then why do you make such a big deal out of the Yule Lads? If you want to compare this year's gift with the ones from previous years then use the actual gift for comparison.
this has nothing to do with claiming them or not, not claiming them doesn't stop them being worse gifts than previous years. the fact that they're strung out over 14 days is probably a part of that; rather than a good gift we've got 14 small less good gifts.
previousyears gifts have been better. firstly, there was choice. secondly, the choices had themes.
I'm not making such a big deal out of it, i've just got to state it several times because you keep missinng the point. if you want to keep the yule lads theme going, give each one a different "package" and then through out the month randomly reveal part of their packages, then on christmas day or something let players pick the package they want. When the gifts this year are a random assortment of unwanted/unneeded junk instead of a cool thing to look forward to, it's obvious there's going to be disappointment when people know CCP can, and have done it better in the past.
i mean, they don't even have to give out gifts at christmas, just get a few ccp devs to undock in some ships and have snowball fights with us. a surprise sansha incursion in jita to scare everyone shitless, until you realise they've also got snowball launchers equipped.
CCP can, and have done, christmas better than this before. maybe some of the folk at ccp are becoming as discontented with the player base as some of the players are becoming with ccp or something *shrug* Yay, this account hasn't had its signature banned. or its account, if you're reading this. |

Capt Lynch
The Scope Gallente Federation
35
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Posted - 2013.12.22 13:26:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:I would be surprised if this caused a blip let alone the crash of the markets.
I don't. The only T2 or useful stuff I got so far is a core probe launcher, 50 ECM hornet drones and a data analyzer. Hardly breaking the bank. |

I Love Boobies
All Hail Boobies
835
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Posted - 2013.12.22 14:23:00 -
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CCP isn't giving this stuff away! The Yule Lads are! So blame them if you wanna blame someone.  |

War Kitten
Panda McLegion xXPlease Pandemic Citizens Reloaded Alliance.Xx
4888
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Posted - 2013.12.22 14:28:00 -
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I am outraged at how CCP has deflated the ABC ore market by giving away 200 Arkanor.
Hurf and/or Blurf!
I find that without a good mob to provide one for them, most people would have no mentality at all. |

Rhivre
TarNec Invisible Exchequer
658
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Posted - 2013.12.22 14:35:00 -
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Gregor Parud wrote:. T1 modules can also be npc drops
They can?
Ammo and drones can, but modules? Not for a few expansions Fluffy Bunny Pic! |

Adeena Torcfist
Right Hand Of The Legion.
50
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Posted - 2013.12.22 14:45:00 -
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actually I like the T2 modules. makes a change from the T1 garbage, even if I cant use them yet 
GJ CCP 
now wheres this SoE BS  |

Scatim Helicon
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2799
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Posted - 2013.12.22 14:54:00 -
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At this stage, I'm just relieved that CCP has gone from idiotic large scale interference in the sandbox to idiotic small scale interference in the sandbox. Post on the Eve-o forums with a Goonswarm Federation character that drinking bleach is bad for you, and 20 forum warriors will hospitalise themselves trying to prove you wrong. |
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