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Hanns	Posted - 2006.03.11 18:15:00 - [61] Originally by: Nikolai Nuvolari Originally by: j0sephine Hee, it's only slightly related, but cool enough to be linked here... ever wondered how large these 800 mm autocannon shells are -.o Is that the Imperial War Museum? It looks quite familiar. Originally by: Morgana Janan Well, something to remember: those small 125mm railguns on your Incursus are the same size as the cannons on an M1A1 main battle tank. A 150mm cannon is considered heavy artillery in ground warfare on Earth. So don't be too quick to bash the sizes. You're firing off tank cannons at people. The real complaint isn't the size of the guns, it's how big they LOOK on the ships. it is the IWM been there a few times, i recognise the HE-162 hanging from the ceiling.
Livia Tarquina	Posted - 2006.03.11 18:39:00 - [62] have we learned nothing from Men in Black people, honestly. Get a clue "Big guns and heavy armor what else is there?" --Amarrian Admiral before entering battle against Jove Navy
Demangel	Posted - 2006.03.11 19:19:00 - [63] I agree visually speaking that the turrets an EVE are largely a massive disapointment. They don't often look at all like a turret, but a robotic apendage with a shooty thing on it. Not that they don't look cool like that. But many look like flimsy, erector sets, where is the armored housing? Ok so on the cruiser and up turrets they start making em look sturdier, but they are teeny tiny little protrusions that look more like an afterthought than a major bang bang of doom. On my mega my 425MM rails look like simplistic little shoeboxes with tubes stickingout of em. No I agree, CCP dropped the ball on turret graphics. I would have been happy even if they where just recessed ball shaped protrusions with a tube sticking out least that looks like it means business... Galaxion > If you drove a car shaped like a thorax women would call you Demangel > Dude... I would call.. Demangel > wait that sounded g@y I bet. Galaxion > Just a bit.
Griefer Troll	Posted - 2006.03.11 19:45:00 - [64] Hmm this topic brought on another thought to me as I read the detailed specs of certain real life artillery. The paris gun mentioned fired projectiles at a maximum velocity of 1600 m / s, well assuming the minmitar guns are based on a similar principle - you should be able to outrun their shells in a reasonably fast ship Now that would be a good addition to the game, mainly because we Amarr can crush those Minmitar dogs for all time.
Meridius	Posted - 2006.03.11 19:57:00 - [65] Originally by: j0sephine Edited by: j0sephine on 11/03/2006 03:04:40 Hee, it's only slightly related, but cool enough to be linked here... ever wondered how large these 800 mm autocannon shells are -.o Thats awesome _ __
lofty29	Posted - 2006.03.11 20:08:00 - [66] Originally by: Meridius Originally by: j0sephine Edited by: j0sephine on 11/03/2006 03:04:40 Hee, it's only slightly related, but cool enough to be linked here... ever wondered how large these 800 mm autocannon shells are -.o Thats awesome Imagine seeing one of them hurling at you in a tank. Id be all like 'Sarge, we have a problem' 'And what would that problem be?' 'A large bullet shaped object is flying towards us.' 'O rly?' 'Ya rly' 'Warp, lol' 'But we're scrambled' 'Didnt you bring wcs? Noob' 'But WCS kills puppys' 'Really?' 'Yep' 'Oh, I never knew that' 'Well, it does' BLAM --------------------------- Originally by: Wrangler I see boobies!! \o/
Nikolai Nuvolari	Posted - 2006.03.11 21:57:00 - [67] Originally by: lofty29 Imagine seeing one of them hurling at you in a tank. Id be all like 'Sarge, we have a problem' 'And what would that problem be?' 'A large bullet shaped object is flying towards us.' 'O rly?' 'Ya rly' 'Warp, lol' 'But we're scrambled' 'Didnt you bring wcs? Noob' 'But WCS kills puppys' 'Really?' 'Yep' 'Oh, I never knew that' 'Well, it does' BLAM I don't think you'd last long in the army. -------- Tom Thumb > for a nut case you rawk [04:21:15] Mebrithiel Ju'wien > Nik's bio 4tw btw [07:38:53] Graelyn > Nikolai for Dev 108!
Victor Valka	Posted - 2006.03.11 22:16:00 - [68] Yes. Bigger looking guns on our cruisers and battleships, please. Make them look like they mean business.
Corunna ElMan	Posted - 2006.03.11 22:51:00 - [69] Originally by: Bhuknar Hhallas I said UP too. Look at the proposed design that the Japanese and Germans were hoping to put into the war. You said "were up to". That means existing designs, not designs that were never deployed. Regardless, a ship would need an impossibly wide beam (and possibly draft as well) to accommodate a turret 1/3 its size, or it would capsize on the first broadside. I'm not here to win any popularity contests. I couldn't care less what you think of me - all that matters is this: Can you defend your opinions?
Corunna ElMan	Posted - 2006.03.11 22:55:00 - [70] Originally by: Torze I'm confused about the argument of weight. In space, there is no weight, only mass. Weight is the gravitational measurement of mass. So are you trying to say there's no gravity in space? Tell me then - what keeps planets in orbit around a star? I'm not here to win any popularity contests. I couldn't care less what you think of me - all that matters is this: Can you defend your opinions?
lofty29	Posted - 2006.03.11 23:07:00 - [71] Originally by: Corunna ElMan Originally by: Torze I'm confused about the argument of weight. In space, there is no weight, only mass. Weight is the gravitational measurement of mass. So are you trying to say there's no gravity in space? Tell me then - what keeps planets in orbit around a star? Gravity, but you are waaaay too small to be affected. It's so weak you wouldnt notice it. --------------------------- Originally by: Wrangler I see boobies!! \o/
Nev Clavain	Posted - 2006.03.11 23:07:00 - [72] Originally by: Corunna ElMan So are you trying to say there's no gravity in space? Tell me then - what keeps planets in orbit around a star? I don't think that's what he is trying to say.
Nikolai Nuvolari	Posted - 2006.03.11 23:17:00 - [73] Originally by: Corunna ElMan Originally by: Bhuknar Hhallas I said UP too. Look at the proposed design that the Japanese and Germans were hoping to put into the war. You said "were up to". That means existing designs, not designs that were never deployed.Regardless, a ship would need an impossibly wide beam (and possibly draft as well) to accommodate a turret 1/3 its size, or it would capsize on the first broadside. It's definitely the draft, not the beam, that matters here. -------- Tom Thumb > for a nut case you rawk [04:21:15] Mebrithiel Ju'wien > Nik's bio 4tw btw [07:38:53] Graelyn > Nikolai for Dev 108!
Corunna ElMan	Posted - 2006.03.11 23:37:00 - [74] Originally by: lofty29 Gravity, but you are waaaay too small to be affected. It's so weak you wouldnt notice it. Still, there is gravity (and gravity is a mutual attraction), so there is weight. However small it might be, the claim that "there is no weight in space" is incorrect. If we're going to talk science, let's be accurate. I'm not here to win any popularity contests. I couldn't care less what you think of me - all that matters is this: Can you defend your opinions?
lofty29	Posted - 2006.03.11 23:58:00 - [75] Tbh, I dont know why the hell this has turned into a scientific debate. It was about the size of gun models comapred to the size of ships ffs --------------------------- Originally by: Wrangler I see boobies!! \o/
Corunna ElMan	Posted - 2006.03.12 00:13:00 - [76] You're right. Science has no place in a science fiction MMO, just as reason has no place on the Internet! I'm not here to win any popularity contests. I couldn't care less what you think of me - all that matters is this: Can you defend your opinions?
lofty29	Posted - 2006.03.12 00:15:00 - [77] Originally by: Corunna ElMan You're right. Science has no place in a science fiction MMO, just as reason has no place on the Internet! I didnt say that. I just said that this was a thread about making eve look more realistic. Thats got nothing to do with why E=MC squared or why warping = the molecular dispersion of subatomic particles around an electronic mainfraime...or something like that. It's a thread about the size of guns not looking right compared to RL, ffs, keep science out of it --------------------------- Originally by: Wrangler I see boobies!! \o/
Frezik	Posted - 2006.03.12 00:28:00 - [78] Originally by: Griefer Troll The paris gun mentioned fired projectiles at a maximum velocity of 1600 m / s, well assuming the minmitar guns are based on a similar principle - you should be able to outrun their shells in a reasonably fast ship Around 1.5km/s (give or take a little) is the max you can get out of a projectile propelled from a straight chemical explosion. But you can get higher if you use rocket-assisted projectiles. If you look at the description of the 280mm, you'll see that they are, in fact, rocket-assisted. ---- "Well in this case, he's being flamed, and rightly so, for whinning about a game mechanic that doesn't actually exist." -Lorth
MysticNZ	Posted - 2006.03.12 00:35:00 - [79] I want one of those 80cm shells... how hard did/do they hit? - You got pwnd by us too :P - Wrangler lol - Imaran
Corunna ElMan	Posted - 2006.03.12 00:52:00 - [80] Originally by: lofty29 Originally by: Corunna ElMan Science has no place in a science fiction MMO, just as reason has no place on the Internet! It's a thread about the size of guns not looking right compared to RL, ffs, keep science out of it See what I mean? I'm not here to win any popularity contests. I couldn't care less what you think of me - all that matters is this: Can you defend your opinions?
lofty29	Posted - 2006.03.12 00:54:00 - [81] Im so confused --------------------------- Originally by: Wrangler I see boobies!! \o/
Breed Love	Posted - 2006.03.12 00:58:00 - [82] Honestly, I think guns in eve are allright, especially frigate and cruiser guns. If they are increased in size, they really have to be integrated into the ship design the way dread guns are.. Otherwise, every beatiful ship in game will turn into something caldari-ish.. ------ Originally by: Gariuys Breed Love for president. Originally by: Cipher Khadaffi nerf breed love!
Nikolai Nuvolari	Posted - 2006.03.12 02:06:00 - [83] The aesthetic design of Caldari ships is a weapon in and of itself. See, Caldari ships are meant to be long-range platforms. The horrible ugliness guarantees that you will stay far away, otherwise your crew will look out the windows and go OH MY GOD WHAT IS THAT MONSTROSITY?!?!? and fall over with their eyes bleeding. -------- Tom Thumb > for a nut case you rawk [04:21:15] Mebrithiel Ju'wien > Nik's bio 4tw btw [07:38:53] Graelyn > Nikolai for Dev 108!
Sidraket	Posted - 2006.03.12 08:24:00 - [84] Yes, bigger guns. And make lasers simply shiny black half-orbs sitting on the side of the ship that shoot out beams~ Then the size could look the same, think of a geddon with its gun row replaced by a bunch of little black half-spheres. That would be sexy. Also make the guns line up right. If you mix and match your weapons you end up with a different pattern of turet types lined up either side your ship.
Nikolai Nuvolari	Posted - 2006.03.12 19:45:00 - [85] Originally by: Sidraket Yes, bigger guns. And make lasers simply shiny black half-orbs sitting on the side of the ship that shoot out beams~ Then the size could look the same, think of a geddon with its gun row replaced by a bunch of little black half-spheres. That would be sexy. Also make the guns line up right. If you mix and match your weapons you end up with a different pattern of turet types lined up either side your ship. Why are you mixing and matching gun types? -------- Tom Thumb > for a nut case you rawk [04:21:15] Mebrithiel Ju'wien > Nik's bio 4tw btw [07:38:53] Graelyn > Nikolai for Dev 108!
Asane	Posted - 2006.03.12 19:51:00 - [86] Yet again the real meaning of MMORPG has been shown, a bunch of guys going "My gun is so small!!"
Nikolai Nuvolari	Posted - 2006.03.13 01:35:00 - [87] Originally by: Asane Yet again the real meaning of MMORPG has been shown, a bunch of guys going "My gun is so small!!" Exactly! Now get us a bigger gun! -------- Tom Thumb > for a nut case you rawk [04:21:15] Mebrithiel Ju'wien > Nik's bio 4tw btw [07:38:53] Graelyn > Nikolai for Dev 108!
Viktor Fyretracker	Posted - 2006.03.13 02:57:00 - [88] would be cool to see the ship rock when firing a gun of large size, of course that means a cormorant giving a full broadside would probally barrel roll itself.
Nikolai Nuvolari	Posted - 2006.03.13 03:23:00 - [89] Originally by: Viktor Fyretracker would be cool to see the ship rock when firing a gun of large size, of course that means a cormorant giving a full broadside would probally barrel roll itself. I'd LOVE to see that. -------- Tom Thumb > for a nut case you rawk [04:21:15] Mebrithiel Ju'wien > Nik's bio 4tw btw [07:38:53] Graelyn > Nikolai for Dev 108!
Double TaP	Posted - 2006.03.13 04:17:00 - [90] Am I the only one that think's it would be neat if you could apply paintjobs to your ship. Put a logo on there, and change the color. We alllll know what Eris would do. But I think it would be sweet make my nighthawk a darkish red tint and maybe put my personal/corp logo on there. And without derailing the thread, I've always thought since i started playing back in early 2004 that the "turret" fixtures were not what ccp could make them. Any sort of general improvement would be nice.

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