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Dr Bluntman
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.12.31 18:36:00 -
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http://jestertrek.blogspot.com/2013/12/drone-assist-needs-to-die-redux.html
Would be a shame if CCP stepped in and disrupted this war before it really gets going. |

Tetsuo Tsukaya
Itinerant Empire
221
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Posted - 2013.12.31 18:44:00 -
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Grath has repeatedly insisted that nerfing drone assist wont have an impact on slowcats.
That said, if it happens before the current war is resolved it is going to look extremely suspect and engender a lot of ill will. |

Dr Bluntman
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.12.31 18:48:00 -
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I'd also be disappointed because Gallente is actually useful for once in 0.0 warfare |

Aiwha
Infinite Point Nulli Secunda
669
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Posted - 2013.12.31 18:49:00 -
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Just means individuals have to target again. Slowcats are powerful because you can't ******* kill them fast enough without dreads, and slowcats have no problem targeting dreads. We're winning the war if it says so on CAOD! -á
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Alphea Abbra
Grim Determination Nulli Secunda
506
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Posted - 2013.12.31 19:02:00 -
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Tetsuo Tsukaya wrote:Grath has repeatedly insisted that nerfing drone assist wont have an impact on slowcats.
That said, if it happens before the current war is resolved it is going to look extremely suspect and engender a lot of ill will. You mean like the supercapital rebalancing was done at the same time CFC attacked White Noise. back in late '11? Granted the rebalance was done pretty early in the war, but you still saw CFC perma-MWD Drakes fly directly into tracking titans.
If CCP decides to "rebalance" drone assisting now, they're doing it because CFC can't win and realised it. It will have nothing to do with game balance. |

ElQuirko
Black Dragon Fighting Society The Devil's Tattoo
3151
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Posted - 2013.12.31 19:02:00 -
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Dr Bluntman wrote:I'd also be disappointed because Gallente is actually useful for once in 0.0 warfare Most slowcat fleets are Archons and thereby are Amarr.
Alphea Abbra wrote:If CCP decides to "rebalance" drone assisting now, they're doing it because CFC can't win and realised it. It will have nothing to do with game balance. Wouldn't go that far, DA is pretty borked. Not to the extent the CFC are whining about it though. Dodixie > Hek |

Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
8723
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Posted - 2013.12.31 19:05:00 -
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If you remove this issue, two more will rise to take its place.
Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings? |

Kinis Deren
The Nyan Cat Pirates Disband.
251
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Posted - 2013.12.31 19:11:00 -
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Yup, I'd say it has all the hallmarks of a done deal. Shame we don't have any CSM minutes showing this subject was discussed at length. Into PVP & looking for small gang focused, NPC Null corp? Check out The Nyan Cat Pirates!
Corp CEO looking for an easy going, none sov, PVP alliance? Join Disband. today! |

Sentamon
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
1314
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Posted - 2013.12.31 19:13:00 -
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Unsuccessful At Everything wrote:If you remove this issue, two more will rise to take its place.
Oh I'm sure they're will be another excuse and the solution will once again be more tedious clicking for everyone else. ~ Professional Forum Alt -á~ |

Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
8724
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Posted - 2013.12.31 19:13:00 -
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Kinis Deren wrote:Yup, I'd say it has all the hallmarks of a done deal. Shame we don't have any CSM minutes showing this subject was discussed at length.
First Rule of CCP Club: You don't talk about CCP Club. Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings? |

Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
9944
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Posted - 2013.12.31 19:22:00 -
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Alphea Abbra wrote:If CCP decides to "rebalance" drone assisting now, they're doing it because CFC can't win and realised it. It will have nothing to do with game balance.
Actually, we'd rather see this war through and end your pitiful coalition's existence with drone assist intact so that you chaff won't bleat "we only lost because CCP intervened" until the end of time, but we can't predict what CCP will do! Twitter: @EVEAndski
TheMittani.com: The premier source for news, commentary and discussion of EVE Online and other games of interest.-á |

Dr Bluntman
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.12.31 19:30:00 -
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ElQuirko wrote: Most slowcat fleets are Archons and thereby are Amarr.
Oh I know, I've just seen more Ishtars and Dominix being used now than ever before |

Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
9944
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Posted - 2013.12.31 19:30:00 -
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Alphea Abbra wrote:If CCP decides to "rebalance" drone assisting now, they're doing it because CFC can't win and realised it. It will have nothing to do with game balance.
I'd prefer it if we see this war through and end your pitiful coalition's existence with drone assist intact so that you chaff won't bleat "we only lost because CCP intervened" until the end of time, but we can't predict what CCP will do! Twitter: @EVEAndski
TheMittani.com: The premier source for news, commentary and discussion of EVE Online and other games of interest.-á |

Sentamon
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
1314
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Posted - 2013.12.31 19:32:00 -
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Andski wrote:Alphea Abbra wrote:If CCP decides to "rebalance" drone assisting now, they're doing it because CFC can't win and realised it. It will have nothing to do with game balance. I'd prefer it if we see this war through and end your pitiful coalition's existence with drone assist intact so that you chaff won't bleat "we only lost because CCP intervened" until the end of time, but we can't predict what CCP will do!
 ~ Professional Forum Alt -á~ |

Alphea Abbra
Grim Determination Nulli Secunda
509
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Posted - 2013.12.31 19:36:00 -
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Andski wrote:Alphea Abbra wrote:If CCP decides to "rebalance" drone assisting now, they're doing it because CFC can't win and realised it. It will have nothing to do with game balance. Actually, we'd rather see this war through and end your pitiful coalition's existence with drone assist intact so that you chaff won't bleat "we only lost because CCP intervened" until the end of time, but we can't predict what CCP will do! I'd believe you if it wasn't for the words and actions of your coalition. Look, I get it, you may have that desire. You personally. But your collective amount of crying, whining, calls to have X, Y and Z nerfed every time you're at war (Even though you know what would counter X and Y) and the that GSF CEOs are on record for wanting to ruin not the game but our game... Along with, of course, crying foul when others uses tactics that aren't fun for you, but when you're using tactics along the same line it's just good strategy ...
Yeah, it might be that you personally would like a victory without CCPs intervention. Just be aware that you're in a clear minority when it comes to CFC posters.
The clear majority of CFC posters would like nothing more than a CCP-given victory. |

AFK Hauler
State War Academy
895
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Posted - 2013.12.31 19:39:00 -
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Unsuccessful At Everything wrote:If you remove this issue, two more will rise to take its place.
This |

Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
9945
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Posted - 2013.12.31 19:45:00 -
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Alphea Abbra wrote:I'd believe you if it wasn't for the words and actions of your coalition. Look, I get it, you may have that desire. You personally. But your collective amount of crying, whining, calls to have X, Y and Z nerfed every time you're at war (Even though you know what would counter X and Y) and the that GSF CEOs are on record for wanting to ruin not the game but our game... Along with, of course, crying foul when others uses tactics that aren't fun for you, but when you're using tactics along the same line it's just good strategy ...
Yeah, it might be that you personally would like a victory without CCPs intervention. Just be aware that you're in a clear minority when it comes to CFC posters.
The clear majority of CFC posters would like nothing more than a CCP-given victory.
Which is why I edited out the "we", because I can't really speak for a bunch of sperglords who seem to think that N3 is anything but the same glass-jawed ****-heap we fought in Fountain that literally has no way to defend their space without the help of PL.
We're not above using tactics we consider overpowered when we do have the advantage of being able to do so. That isn't hypocrisy, that's playing the best card in hand, same reason you're using "Sphere 2.0" and massed slowcats to defend timers. On our turf, under our terms, you'd be fighting the exact same thing. Twitter: @EVEAndski
TheMittani.com: The premier source for news, commentary and discussion of EVE Online and other games of interest.-á |

Leigh Akiga
Perkone Caldari State
483
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Posted - 2013.12.31 19:48:00 -
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Dr Bluntman wrote:http://jestertrek.blogspot.com/2013/12/drone-assist-needs-to-die-redux.html
Would be a shame if CCP stepped in and disrupted this war before it really gets going.
please dont nerf my super weapon that can track and kill frigates to dreadnoughts and presumably even supers and titans |

James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation
8020
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Posted - 2013.12.31 19:48:00 -
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This just in: N3PL exclusively are using drone assist and nerfing it is a nerf to them alone. Latest video - Pandemic Legion titan and supers killed |

Azami Nevinyrall
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
1538
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Posted - 2013.12.31 19:48:00 -
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Andski wrote:Alphea Abbra wrote:If CCP decides to "rebalance" drone assisting now, they're doing it because CFC can't win and realised it. It will have nothing to do with game balance. I'd prefer it if we see this war through and end your pitiful coalition's existence with drone assist intact so that you chaff won't bleat "we only lost because CCP intervened" until the end of time, but we can't predict what CCP will do! CSM guys tell alliance leaders what's in the oven... You guys know exactly what is to come, but will never admit it cos you'll loose that tool and NDA info almost instantly... ... |

James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation
8020
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Posted - 2013.12.31 19:51:00 -
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Funny how you people never seem to have any proof of that. Latest video - Pandemic Legion titan and supers killed |

Prince Kobol
1313
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Posted - 2013.12.31 19:53:00 -
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Andski wrote:Alphea Abbra wrote:If CCP decides to "rebalance" drone assisting now, they're doing it because CFC can't win and realised it. It will have nothing to do with game balance. Actually, we'd rather see this war through and end your pitiful coalition's existence with drone assist intact so that you chaff won't bleat "we only lost because CCP intervened" until the end of time, but we can't predict what CCP will do!
Well you can very easily predict what CCP will do as you have Mynnna on the CSM and before you say NDA there is no way on earth that Mynnna does not tell kittens what is going on behind closed doors.
Anybody who believes that Mynnna does not tell all is stupid in the extreme. |

Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
9946
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Posted - 2013.12.31 19:55:00 -
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Azami Nevinyrall wrote:CSM guys tell alliance leaders what's in the oven... You guys know exactly what is to come, but will never admit it cos you'll loose that tool and NDA info over almost instantly...
Sadly, your tinfoil is wrong. CSM members don't discuss NDA-covered information with members of their alliances - even leadership - because anybody is liable to shift allegiances at any time. The consequences of being exposed for breaching a legally binding NDA extend further than the loss of a CSM seat; a potential (or even current) employer learning that you have a history of breaching such contracts can affect your career in a very undesirable way. And that is assuming that CCP doesn't take legal action! Twitter: @EVEAndski
TheMittani.com: The premier source for news, commentary and discussion of EVE Online and other games of interest.-á |

Caviar Liberta
Moira. Villore Accords
396
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Posted - 2013.12.31 19:56:00 -
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Dr Bluntman wrote:ElQuirko wrote: Most slowcat fleets are Archons and thereby are Amarr.
Oh I know, I've just seen more Ishtars and Dominix being used now than ever before
Ishtars for their sentries right and the Dominix for its useful utility [neuting, remote repping] slots + sentries. |

Leigh Akiga
Perkone Caldari State
483
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Posted - 2013.12.31 19:57:00 -
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Alphea Abbra wrote:If CCP decides to "rebalance" drone assisting now, they're doing it because CFC can't win and realised it. It will have nothing to do with game balance.
If the most powerful coalition in eve cant beat it does that mean you have, in fact, won eve? Your renter empire is forever secure because of the tutrtle tacttic? Congratulations on your blue donut  |

Caviar Liberta
Moira. Villore Accords
396
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Posted - 2013.12.31 19:59:00 -
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James Amril-Kesh wrote:This just in: N3PL exclusively are using drone assist and nerfing it is a nerf to them alone.
Right, nobody assigns fighters like they do drones either right? |

Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
9946
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Posted - 2013.12.31 20:03:00 -
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Caviar Liberta wrote:James Amril-Kesh wrote:This just in: N3PL exclusively are using drone assist and nerfing it is a nerf to them alone. Right, nobody assigns fighters like they do drones either right?
Fighters are assigned, drones are assisted. Assigning fighters grants the assignee direct control over them until the owner revokes that control, and assignees are limited to whatever number of fighters their Drones skill allows them to control - i.e., 5. It is a different mechanic from drone assist entirely. Twitter: @EVEAndski
TheMittani.com: The premier source for news, commentary and discussion of EVE Online and other games of interest.-á |

Alphea Abbra
Grim Determination Nulli Secunda
509
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Posted - 2013.12.31 20:09:00 -
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Andski wrote:The consequences of being exposed for breaching a legally binding NDA extend further than the loss of a CSM seat; (...) assuming that CCP doesn't take legal action!
Feel free to ask Gorga, Vince, Grath, etc. whether the CSM members in their respective alliances share any NDA information with them. It's quite simple, they don't, because it's a stupid idea. True. Don't break NDA's, not to your ingame friends, not to RL friends. It's stupid, nobody wins. Especially not the breaker, who stands to lose the most.
James Amril-Kesh wrote:This just in: N3PL exclusively are using drone assist and nerfing it is a nerf to them alone. This just in, no CFC members can put an argument together without strawmen! (Before you say "right back at you", that was hasty generalisation - or guilty by association - not a strawman!)
Andski wrote:We're not above using tactics we consider overpowered (...) These forums, /r/eve, Kugu and N3 SOTAs/war updates would all be filled with criticism against cynojammer mechanics and what-have-you, only by N3 members. I'm not sure. I'd like to think it would not be so, but I can't know, can I? However, they would at least taste less hypocritial, so I can still feel superior. |

baltec1
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
9703
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Posted - 2013.12.31 20:09:00 -
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Alphea Abbra wrote:You mean like the supercapital rebalancing was done at the same time CFC attacked White Noise. back in late '11? Granted the rebalance was done pretty early in the war, but you still saw CFC perma-MWD Drakes fly directly into tracking titans.
This nerf coming after WN steamrolled the old NC who collapsed when their massive subcap fleets were rendered usless and after WN attempted to headshot VFK and were barely held back. Join Bat Country today and defend the Glorious Socialist Dictatorship |

James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation
8020
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Posted - 2013.12.31 20:09:00 -
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Caviar Liberta wrote:James Amril-Kesh wrote:This just in: N3PL exclusively are using drone assist and nerfing it is a nerf to them alone. Right, nobody assigns fighters like they do drones either right? They don't, because it's impossible. Latest video - Pandemic Legion titan and supers killed |
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