the "cost" of supercarriers and titans has increased substantially - even in relative terms- compared to the cost of subcapitals, as a consequence of the drone loot nerf

That only really makes sense if you're comparing them to t2 or t3 ships. t1 battleships increased in cost just as much if you're looking at it as a percentage increase (or more in the case of the tier 1 BS that had extra materials added to their build cost in the rebalancing).

That only really makes sense if you're comparing them to t2 or t3 ships. t1 battleships increased in cost just as much if you're looking at it as a percentage increase (or more in the case of the tier 1 BS that had extra materials added to their build cost in the rebalancing).

I never said that

Supers cannot be jammed.

10 drones is twice as much as 5 drones and you get to use more damage ships than the domi fleet who need to use several other shiptypes in the fleet. So yea, you get two fleets worth of domi drone goodness.

(...)Supercarriers are far too versatile

The reason that supercarriers can deal with any size of ship is the versatility provided by its massive drone bay. Having access to almost unlimited combat drones of all sizes and being able to launch 20 of them at a time means that they have an answer to almost any situation. In fact, we found that drones on capital ships in general to be detrimental to the way fleet fights should work. If you want to deal with sub-capitals, you should bring your own sub-capitals or a carrier. (...)

Oh yes. You implied exactly that.
Now if this is a matter of you being misinterpreted, please tell us how you meant it instead?

i'm not sure why coattail riding chaff keep talking about supercarriers and titans in a thread about drone assist, which is irrelevant for supercarriers and titans

i'm not sure why coattail riding chaff keep talking about supercarriers and titans in a thread about drone assist, which is irrelevant for supercarriers and titans

How the hell did you manage to misinterpret that?

He said just jam them. I said supers cannot be jammed.

I said nothing at all about capital reps being overpowered and I have no idea how you got that from the four words I put.

I don't think supercarriers should be allowed to carry sentries.

This is what happens in EVE right now.
You want to change that to something like:
"If you want to deal with sub-capitals, don't use capitals"
And I am asking for the good arguments for that change.

If the carriers were able to be delt with via subcaps either by killing them or reducing their effectiveness to the point where you could force them off the grid or even slowly grind them down then there wouldn't be an issue.

No, you didn't say it, that's why I (And Pinky Hops I think) consistently have said "implied".
You didn't say it, you merely said it in a way that excluded any other interpretation, right?

Just like bruised plums could be about damaged fruit, but isn't.

Here, from the horses' jackals mouth: Carriers aren't an issue.

which is a great improvement over pubbie thought, i.e. "i mined the minerals muhself so the ship is free"

It helps if you read the words and not the none existent ones between them.

it means literally what it says. Supers cannot be jammed.

Yes carriers are an issue, this fleet is an issue.

Right now they are unkillable to subcaps and able to wipe out any subcap fleets you deploy.

"Why can't you use e-war against carrierfleets?"
"Supers can't be jammed."

Later:
"There was no implied message."

Yeeeaaaah ...............

I'm not sure why you think I'm going to trust you on that.

Incorrect.

Now you are just being moronic.

He asked a question. I told him why we don't just jam it.

How is this hard for you?

Name the subcap fleet that can kill them.

Now you are just being moronic.

He asked a question. I told him why we don't just jam it.

How is this hard for you?

His question was about carriers.

You responded that supercarriers cannot be jammed.

Do you not understand why that is drawing some ire?

GǪbecause those are the ones providing the reps. Thus, the notion that bringing along a lot of ewar as a counter falls flat.

He did not imply that carriers are overpowered because they can be repped by supers GÇö just that ewar is not a viable option.