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Hungry Eyes
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2011.11.07 15:22:00 -
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I'll give one example:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yuf_JzAkq7E
In its current iteration, the Tornado is making a mockery of most other ships in the game, especially the other tier 3 BC's. It's kind of hilarious to me that large AC's can perfectly track and hit Vespa drones  and inties . Sure, he had two webs, but still. Why would you introduce a cheap, faster and more agile Machariel into the game? But the problem is not necessarily the ship. AC's are simply off the wall.
Please reduce the fall-off and tracking of medium and large AC's. You don't have to nerf them into the ground, but make them not stupid.
Thanks, I'll know you'll do the right thing. |
Austneal
Fevered Imaginings
6
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Posted - 2011.11.07 15:31:00 -
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Let me guess, you fly Gallente? |
Sarmatiko
155
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Posted - 2011.11.07 15:33:00 -
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I have better idea: remove Gallente completely. They whine too much lately.  |
Destination SkillQueue
Are We There Yet
55
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Posted - 2011.11.07 15:36:00 -
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Hitting drones shouldn't be an issue, since the ship is fast and the drones are webbed. This means they come after you in a straight line with 0 transversal. Actually that high speed allows you to keep transversal to very low against most ships, so hitting shouldn't be a huge issue for competent pilots. |
Austneal
Fevered Imaginings
6
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Posted - 2011.11.07 15:38:00 -
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Sarmatiko wrote:I have better idea: remove Gallente completely. They whine too much lately.
+1  |
Skippermonkey
Tactical Knightmare
164
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Posted - 2011.11.07 15:38:00 -
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dear CCP, nerf everything
i fly all ships and this would make me happy |
Hungry Eyes
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
96
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Posted - 2011.11.07 15:39:00 -
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Sarmatiko wrote:I have better idea: remove Gallente completely. They whine too much lately.
While I am not a Gallente pilot, I fully agree because I value balance. Remove Gallente so that people are not confused any longer. |
Keen Fallsword
Billionaires Club
C0VEN
2
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Posted - 2011.11.07 15:44:00 -
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Hungry Eyes wrote:Sarmatiko wrote:I have better idea: remove Gallente completely. They whine too much lately. While I am not a Gallente pilot, I fully agree because I value balance. Remove Gallente so that people are not confused any longer.
Thumbs UP ! Yes remove Gallente or Nerf them !
"We gallente don't need any weapons we are flying yachts right now and this is good" "Peace, Love and Unity"
But hey ! CCP is doing hybrids awesome !! Did you heard that ? They added mucho tracking L.O.L |
Hungry Eyes
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
96
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Posted - 2011.11.07 15:46:00 -
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are you guys serious when you say that having extreme tracking, extreme speed, and extreme falloff is ok? you realize that this is equivalent to the derpiness of the nano days, just in a different form? |
Hungry Eyes
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
96
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Posted - 2011.11.07 15:47:00 -
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Keen Fallsword wrote:
"We gallente don't need any weapons we are flying yachts right now and this is good" "Peace, Love and Unity"
everyone make love in my Megathron |
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Nyio
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
226
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Posted - 2011.11.07 15:47:00 -
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Sarmatiko wrote:I have better idea: remove Gallente completely. They whine too much lately.
Heey! 
F&ID: Skill Training, Agent Finder
What is CCP Guard gonna do with that grenade? |
Keen Fallsword
Billionaires Club
C0VEN
2
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Posted - 2011.11.07 15:51:00 -
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Hungry Eyes wrote:are you guys serious when you say that having extreme tracking, extreme speed, and extreme falloff is ok? you realize that this is equivalent to the derpiness of the nano days, just in a different form?
Hmm well I know that Gallente is OP but who cares ! :)
But seriously I can see one thing Gallente pilots loves their race and ships we cant see something similar in any other race pilots and what is the worst Gallente ships are the worst in the game... Err I mean they looks nice in hangars. |
Austneal
Fevered Imaginings
6
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Posted - 2011.11.07 16:05:00 -
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They don't have "extreme tracking." You keep your transversal low in order to hit smaller targets. Any ship can do this, its just a bit easier for Minmatar ships because of their maneuverability.
ACs do have more falloff than other turrets, just like pulses have the best optimal, and blasters have the best raw dps (and soon tracking)
Each weapon has its own advantage, learn to use them / fight against them |
Epiphaniess
Verboten Technologies
436
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Posted - 2011.11.07 16:13:00 -
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Hungry Eyes wrote:are you guys serious when you say that having extreme tracking, extreme speed, and extreme falloff is ok? you realize that this is equivalent to the derpiness of the nano days, just in a different form?
I remember a time when the words you have to fight in falloff, was quickly accompanied the loud heckling of point and loling.
Funny how things change and now it is OP and has to be nerfed. |
Keen Fallsword
Billionaires Club
C0VEN
2
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Posted - 2011.11.07 16:13:00 -
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Austneal wrote:
Each weapon has its own advantage, learn to use them / fight against them
You didnt fly any blaster boat right ? If yes show KB.. Coz you talking like shyittty noob.. Learn how to fly wtf ? You dont know too much about this game its history and why blaster sucks so hard right now ? Dont you ? Even CCP is saying that blaster are broken ! You Moron ...
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Hungry Eyes
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
98
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Posted - 2011.11.07 16:14:00 -
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Austneal wrote:They don't have "extreme tracking." You keep your transversal low in order to hit smaller targets. Any ship can do this, its just a bit easier for Minmatar ships because of their maneuverability.
ACs do have more falloff than other turrets, just like pulses have the best optimal, and blasters have the best raw dps (and soon tracking)
Each weapon has its own advantage, learn to use them / fight against them
thanks for the pee vee pee tips!!! but let me just say that i've been playing EVE since beta. i know all about transversal, and things like that. maintaining highest possible transversal velocity against ships with tracking mods and highest possible innate tracking is not always effective!
i really dont feel like i need to go into specifics here, because trolls are abound and those who care about this stuff know the information anyway. but i'll give you a hint: Neutron Blaster Cannon II vs. 800mm AC II, even the new SiSi stats are ridiculous. mostly because of the ridiculous fall off AC's have, and speed that Winmatar ships have. |
Keen Fallsword
Billionaires Club
C0VEN
3
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Posted - 2011.11.07 16:19:00 -
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Epiphaniess wrote:Hungry Eyes wrote:are you guys serious when you say that having extreme tracking, extreme speed, and extreme falloff is ok? you realize that this is equivalent to the derpiness of the nano days, just in a different form? Funny how things change and now it is OP and has to be nerfed.
We are joking bro :) Its sarcasm :)
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Cipher Jones
104
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Posted - 2011.11.07 16:28:00 -
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Only people who don't fly all 4 races say "nerf AC's".
Everybody who does say "buff hybrids".
Macharaiel is OP, however its tracking bonus is huge, and does not apply to all AC's.
Learn to kite.
And with 2 webs on it, even blasters could hit it.
See what happens when fat neckbeards try to ride little ponies? The ponies die. |
Katrina Oniseki
Revenent Defence Corperation
Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
113
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Posted - 2011.11.07 16:32:00 -
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Sarmatiko wrote:I have better idea: remove Gallente completely. They whine too much lately.
Tibus Heth would love you forever. |
Trainwreck McGee
Ghost Ship Inc.
101
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Posted - 2011.11.07 16:38:00 -
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Hungry Eyes wrote:Austneal wrote:They don't have "extreme tracking." You keep your transversal low in order to hit smaller targets. Any ship can do this, its just a bit easier for Minmatar ships because of their maneuverability.
ACs do have more falloff than other turrets, just like pulses have the best optimal, and blasters have the best raw dps (and soon tracking)
Each weapon has its own advantage, learn to use them / fight against them thanks for the pee vee pee tips!!! but let me just say that i've been playing EVE since beta. i know all about transversal, and things like that. maintaining highest possible transversal velocity against ships with tracking mods and highest possible innate tracking is not always effective! i really dont feel like i need to go into specifics here, because trolls are abound and those who care about this stuff know the information anyway. but i'll give you a hint: Neutron Blaster Cannon II vs. 800mm AC II, even the new SiSi stats are ridiculous. mostly because of the insane fall off AC's have, and speed that Winmatar ships have.
How can someone who has been here since beta no so little about the game? EXXTTRREEEMMMEEE rofl idiot
CCP Trainwreck - Weekend Custodial Engineer / CCP Necrogoats foot stool |
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Epiphaniess
Verboten Technologies
436
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Posted - 2011.11.07 16:40:00 -
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Cipher Jones wrote:Only people who don't fly all 4 races say "nerf AC's".
Everybody who does say "buff hybrids".
Macharaiel is OP, however its tracking bonus is huge, and does not apply to all AC's.
Learn to kite.
And with 2 webs on it, even blasters could hit it.
Does seem that way.
Though after CCP buffs hybrids, you know lasers will start to want some too. And then the cycle will start all over again. |
Hungry Eyes
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
107
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Posted - 2011.11.07 16:40:00 -
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Cipher Jones wrote:Only people who don't fly all 4 races say "nerf AC's".
Everybody who does say "buff hybrids".
I fly all 4 races, so your categorization has failed miserably.
i challenge you to think about what youre saying. Kiting is actually a brainless mechanic when you dont have to worry about optimal. a huge falloff allows you to faceroll across any range. if you kited in order to maintain optimal, now this would require some skill. AC dps does not drop off quickly enough, and this is the problem. you dont HAVE TO kite to maintain optimal.
buffing hybrids without tweaking projectiles would essentially allow the brainless "AC kiting" mechanic to stay. and guess what? kiting with something with a huge falloff is a hell of a lot easier, so what weapon do you think people will tend to use?
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Hungry Eyes
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
107
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Posted - 2011.11.07 16:42:00 -
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Trainwreck McGee wrote:
How can someone who has been here since beta no so little about the game? EXXTTRREEEMMMEEE rofl idiot
oh hai troll. thought ud be here sooner. |
Large Collidable Object
morons.
538
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Posted - 2011.11.07 16:50:00 -
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Cipher Jones wrote:
Macharaiel is OP, however its tracking bonus is huge, and does not apply to all AC's.
Machs don't have a tracking bonus...
morons-áare recruiting. We're good at breeding! |
Sader Rykane
The Dark Space Initiative
Revival Of The Talocan Empire
128
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Posted - 2011.11.07 16:51:00 -
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Trainwreck McGee wrote:[quote=Hungry Eyes]
How can someone who has been here since beta no so little about the game? EXXTTRREEEMMMEEE rofl idiot
Probably for the same reason that someone would assume that an old character has never been sold. |
Mr Kidd
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
134
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Posted - 2011.11.07 17:07:00 -
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I've got a better idea.
Switch ship bonuses between Gallente and Min. That should pretty much fix all the complaints. So, Min gets bonus to hybrids. Gal gets bonus to AC's. Done!
We want breast augmentations and sluttier clothing in the NeX! |
Austneal
Fevered Imaginings
6
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Posted - 2011.11.07 17:11:00 -
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Keen Fallsword wrote:Austneal wrote:
Each weapon has its own advantage, learn to use them / fight against them
You didnt fly any blaster boat right ? If yes show KB.. Coz you talking like shyittty noob.. Learn how to fly wtf ? You dont know too much about this game its history and why blaster sucks so hard right now ? Dont you ? Even CCP is saying that blaster are broken ! You Moron ...
Will this do?
Or how about this?
This maybe?
Yes, my killboard does suck, and yes, those were terribly fit ships, but I DO fly blaster boats, as well as ACs, and lasers
Tbh, I have no trouble using blaster boats, even being the terrible PvPer I am.
I have an idea though, lets just make all turrets have the same range, tracking, and damage of each other. Maybe we can make all the ships fly the same speed and have the same slot layouts while we're at it
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Tac Mannall
Defenders of Order
1
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Posted - 2011.11.07 18:05:00 -
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Cipher Jones wrote:Only people who don't fly all 4 races say "nerf AC's".
Everybody who does say "buff hybrids".
Macharaiel is OP, however its tracking bonus is huge, and does not apply to all AC's.
Learn to kite.
And with 2 webs on it, even blasters could hit it.
"Learn to kite" With Blasters? Are, are you trolling or just really not paying attention? :p
The real issue with Hybrids, or I should say Blasters specifically is that they are designed by concept to be point blank death dealers. What is happening now is that they are being overshadowed in their own niche by other races. I think that is what is making a lot of us upset. Also I think it is more of a combination of blasters and the hulls that fit them that needs to be tweeked, not one or the other exclusively. |
Vmir Gallahasen
Blue Republic
RvB - BLUE Republic
7
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Posted - 2011.11.07 18:15:00 -
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Austneal wrote:Yes, my killboard does suck, and yes, those were terribly fit ships, but I DO fly blaster boats, as well as ACs, and lasers
Yes, killing two ships using a drone boat with a drone listed as the weapon is proof of you flying blaster boats. Well done. There are pages and pages and pages of you flying Winmatar though
Credibility destroyed |
Templar Dane
Amarrian Retribution
3
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Posted - 2011.11.07 23:29:00 -
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Cipher Jones wrote:Only people who don't fly all 4 races say "nerf AC's".
Everybody who does say "buff hybrids".
Macharaiel is OP, however its tracking bonus is huge, and does not apply to all AC's.
Learn to kite.
And with 2 webs on it, even blasters could hit it.
WTF is this ****? Go crawl back in your cave you uneducated minmatar redneck. |
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