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Cornette
Solar Revenue Service TAXU
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Posted - 2011.11.10 17:28:00 -
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I think Tracking Enhancer's falloff should be nerfed to 50%.
And I say that as one that uses minmatar ships almost exclusively. All my canes and special bonus falloff ships have two TE fitted. They give to much of a benefit to AC's so it would be silly to not use them.
If you want just one mod with a 30% falloff bonus then you should fit a Tracking Computer with optimal script and give up something else, maybe a large shield extender. |
Naomi Knight
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
26
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Posted - 2011.11.10 17:31:00 -
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Cornette wrote:I think Tracking Enhancer's falloff should be nerfed to 50%.
And I say that as one that uses minmatar ships almost exclusively. All my canes and special bonus falloff ships have two TE fitted. They give to much of a benefit to AC's so it would be silly to not use them.
If you want just one mod with a 30% falloff bonus then you should fit a Tracking Computer with optimal script and give up something else, maybe a large shield extender. Tracking computers needs a buff or balanced to te-s, more cpu need , you need to activate +use capa,and gives less. |
Hungry Eyes
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
147
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Posted - 2011.11.10 17:33:00 -
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Roosterton wrote: Of course, this is irrelevant anyway, since an OP tornado =/= an OP Minmatar.
AC OP-ness applies to any AC boat. over the last 3 years, have we been seeing harbie blobs? brutix blobs?
there's a reason why the cane is ubiquitous. and it aint just the ship. |
Nimrod Nemesis
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
53
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Posted - 2011.11.10 18:17:00 -
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Hungry Eyes wrote:rails are still bottom of the barrel at medium/long ranges, and blasters are still next to useless due to poor compatibility with the actual ships.
I believe this fallls under the catergory of "petty details not worth discussing." After-all, we know that a flat damage increase is all that is needed. What else could possibly mattter?
/sarcasm |
Cambarus
Clearly Compensating The Dark Triad
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Posted - 2011.11.10 18:25:00 -
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Hungry Eyes wrote:Roosterton wrote: Of course, this is irrelevant anyway, since an OP tornado =/= an OP Minmatar.
AC OP-ness applies to any AC boat. over the last 3 years, have we been seeing harbie blobs? brutix blobs? there's a reason why the cane is ubiquitous. and it aint just the ship. You're absolutely right, nerf heavy missiles! |
Hungry Eyes
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
147
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Posted - 2011.11.10 18:28:00 -
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Cambarus wrote:Hungry Eyes wrote:Roosterton wrote: Of course, this is irrelevant anyway, since an OP tornado =/= an OP Minmatar.
AC OP-ness applies to any AC boat. over the last 3 years, have we been seeing harbie blobs? brutix blobs? there's a reason why the cane is ubiquitous. and it aint just the ship. You're absolutely right, nerf heavy missiles!
that's for another thread. try to stay on topic please. and take off that monocle. |
Jill Antaris
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2011.11.10 18:46:00 -
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Seriously Bored wrote:Hrm. Seems the standard forum topics haven't changed much in S&M within the last 183 days. But out of curiosity: Liang Nuren wrote: I just think we shouldn't do it until we figure out where hybrids are actually going to be post patch. While I'm not super stoked about the boost, that doesn't mean that its not sufficient to bring make them viable.
The Hybrid boost is actually happening? Neato.
Not really, CCP just throwing tons of little buffs on blaster ships while compleetly ignoring the main issue, that made them useless 3 years ago. |
Tara Read
The Clean Up Crew S E D I T I O N
4
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Posted - 2011.11.10 20:26:00 -
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I'll just leave these here.... Poor Mach pilot's Yep. Gallente suck alright.
http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/killmail.php?id=14586578
47% damage done.
http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/killmail.php?id=14586171
30% |
Hungry Eyes
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
151
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Posted - 2011.11.10 20:31:00 -
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no kill id specified.
but browsing that KB, there's just too many example of gall ships getting shredded by Winmatar, and comments like "whoops they brought Machs, what can ya do " |
Tara Read
The Clean Up Crew S E D I T I O N
4
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Posted - 2011.11.10 20:36:00 -
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Hungry Eyes wrote:no kill id specified. but browsing that KB, there's just too many example of gall ships getting shredded by Winmatar, and comments like "whoops they brought Machs, what can ya do "
Relinked the killmails. Dude... you seriously dunno what your talking about. Gallente have always been situational. You can't just hit F1 and drool. As a Gallente pilot you have to adapt especially with Blasters as they are now. All I can say is it's gonna be one freakin sweet Christmas.... |
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Naomi Knight
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
26
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Posted - 2011.11.10 20:49:00 -
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in the second the harbi did as much as your mega... fail btw what did you want to prove with these? |
Hungry Eyes
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
154
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Posted - 2011.11.10 21:18:00 -
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look im happy for your kills, and i wont dissect your KB to prove how youre way off base. and i concede: im ok with blasters being "situational." but why arent AC's situational? why can 800mm's hit and track well at 70km? and why cant rails be the more versatile turret? |
Tara Read
The Clean Up Crew S E D I T I O N
4
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Posted - 2011.11.10 21:26:00 -
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Naomi Knight wrote:in the second the harbi did as much as your mega... fail btw what did you want to prove with these?
That Mach's are yummy yummy kills.
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Mfume Apocal
Origin. Black Legion.
87
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Posted - 2011.11.10 21:27:00 -
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Hungry Eyes wrote:and why cant rails be the more versatile turret?
Which long-range turret is versatile again? |
Tara Read
The Clean Up Crew S E D I T I O N
4
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Posted - 2011.11.10 21:29:00 -
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Hungry Eyes wrote:look im happy for your kills, and i wont dissect your KB to prove how youre way off base. and i concede: im ok with blasters being "situational." but why arent AC's situational? why can 800mm's hit and track well at 70km? and why cant rails be the more versatile turret?
Because that's the current state of Minny at the moment man. Their fotm and have been for quite some time. Still it shouldn't deter you from flying what you want. |
Hungry Eyes
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
154
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Posted - 2011.11.10 21:38:00 -
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uh, it's not FOTM. it has lasted for 3 years because Minnies have a clear and blatant strategic advantage due to unbalanced game mechanics.
drakes and canes also arent FOTM because people have been blobbing them for years. most of your kills come from your drake. both these ships need the **** nerfed out of them, one way or another. |
Hungry Eyes
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
154
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Posted - 2011.11.10 21:41:00 -
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Mfume Apocal wrote:Hungry Eyes wrote:and why cant rails be the more versatile turret? Which long-range turret is versatile again?
AC's for one. even though theyre not advertised as long range, they reach very far and track well
pulse lasers. again, not meant to be long range, but they are due to Scorch.
heavy missiles. and then the actual long range turrets (i.e. 1400mm's) which dominate fleets.
so...everything? except hybrids. |
Tara Read
The Clean Up Crew S E D I T I O N
4
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Posted - 2011.11.10 21:41:00 -
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Hungry Eyes wrote:uh, it's not FOTM. it has lasted for 3 years because Minnies have a clear and blatant strategic advantage due to unbalanced game mechanics.
drakes and canes also arent FOTM because people have been blobbing them for years. most of your kills come from your drake. both these ships need the **** nerfed out of them, one way or another.
Oh jeez.... Dude are you just raging because you can? Or do you have a point to any of this? |
Naomi Knight
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
26
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Posted - 2011.11.10 21:46:00 -
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Tara Read wrote:Naomi Knight wrote:in the second the harbi did as much as your mega... fail btw what did you want to prove with these? That Mach's are yummy yummy kills. Don't be jelly man. I don't fail. 3.3 billion isk in damages vs 174 mil with a 95% isk efficiency with current kb stats.. Point being is it's all how you fly the ship. You could give Gallente a 50% agility bonus, 100% tracking and falloff and still your gonna have fail pilots.
But shouldnt the mega with neutron cannons out dmg a , i quess pulse, fitted harbi? Imho if it cant out dmg a bc when the target is a bs, there is a huge problem.
btw bragging about kb stats is a little bit egoistic ,even if i have better efficiency+dmg done :P |
Tara Read
The Clean Up Crew S E D I T I O N
4
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Posted - 2011.11.10 21:48:00 -
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Naomi Knight wrote:Tara Read wrote:Naomi Knight wrote:in the second the harbi did as much as your mega... fail btw what did you want to prove with these? That Mach's are yummy yummy kills. Don't be jelly man. I don't fail. 3.3 billion isk in damages vs 174 mil with a 95% isk efficiency with current kb stats.. Point being is it's all how you fly the ship. You could give Gallente a 50% agility bonus, 100% tracking and falloff and still your gonna have fail pilots. But shouldnt the mega with neutron cannons out dmg a , i quess pulse, fitted harbi? Imho if it cant out dmg a bc when the target is a bs, there is a huge problem. btw bragging about kb stats is a little bit egoistic ,even if i have better efficiency+dmg done :P
Lol. For one your forgetting one thing. Range. I had to burn 30 KM to get to the Mach on that kill. A bit egotistic? I'm a blood thirsty dirty pirate *****. Take a number and stand in line if you got an issue...
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Naomi Knight
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
26
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Posted - 2011.11.10 21:57:00 -
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Tara Read wrote:
Lol. For one your forgetting one thing. Range. I had to burn 30 KM to get to the Mach on that kill. A bit egotistic? I'm a blood thirsty dirty pirate *****. Take a number and stand in line if you got an issue...
looks like the ship +weapons are the problem after all , had to make 2 post just make you admit it :I pirate ? like these?
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Tara Read
The Clean Up Crew S E D I T I O N
4
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Posted - 2011.11.10 22:08:00 -
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Naomi Knight wrote:Tara Read wrote:
Lol. For one your forgetting one thing. Range. I had to burn 30 KM to get to the Mach on that kill. A bit egotistic? I'm a blood thirsty dirty pirate *****. Take a number and stand in line if you got an issue...
looks like the ship +weapons are the problem after all , had to make 2 post just make you admit it :I pirate ? like these?
Lol man you are so funny. I actually dress like that. |
Mfume Apocal
Origin. Black Legion.
87
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Posted - 2011.11.11 07:38:00 -
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Hungry Eyes wrote:AC's for one. even though theyre not advertised as long range, they reach very far and track well
pulse lasers. again, not meant to be long range, but they are due to Scorch.
heavy missiles. and then the actual long range turrets (i.e. 1400mm's) which dominate fleets.
so...everything? except hybrids.
I like how you leave actual LONG RANGE TURRETS out except arties.
And arties aren't even good except for volleying through rep cycles when you outnumber the opposition by 3 to 1. |
Sebastian N Cain
Aliastra Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2011.11.11 08:55:00 -
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Well, if you need 10 to 1 odds in your favor to get a killmail... yeah, then you suck. And bragging how you burned 30km to strike at a target that was webbed, scrammed, jammed, painted and generally already half dead strikes me as pretty pathetic. The weirdest thing about these kills is actually that you did show up in the killmail. Your fleetmates were nice enough to hold back so you would make it on the killmail instead of finishing him quickly and get done with it, weren-Št they? "You either need less science fiction or more medication."
"Or less medication and more ammo!" |
Tsubutai
The Tuskers
26
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Posted - 2011.11.11 09:10:00 -
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Mfume Apocal wrote:And arties aren't even good except for volleying through rep cycles when you outnumber the opposition by 3 to 1. Black Legion denounces Muninn? |
Mfume Apocal
Origin. Black Legion.
87
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Posted - 2011.11.11 09:25:00 -
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Tsubutai wrote:Black Legion denounces Muninn?
I missed the qualifier "large" when I wrote that. Medium arties are reasonably well-balanced. Small arties might also be all right, but I don't fly frigs much. It's when you compare Scorch L with 1400mm that the advantages of long-range disappear under the weight of facefuck DPS. |
AnkaD
Amok. Goonswarm Federation
2
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Posted - 2011.11.11 21:22:00 -
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Who thinks of the poor Moa/Rokh/Eagle/Ferox? Honestly everytime some writes Hybrids everybody only thinks of the Gallenteships. I admit they need work but is there any possibility to make the Caldari Gunbost viable? I actually don't know.
Harpies actually seem to work somehow though. |
Nimrod Nemesis
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
53
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Posted - 2011.11.11 21:28:00 -
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AnkaD wrote:Who thinks of the poor Moa/Rokh/Eagle/Eagle? Honestly everytime some writes Hybrids everybody only thinks of the Gallenteships. I admit they need work but is there any possibility to make the Caldari Gunbost viable? I actually don't know.
I believe the appropriate response here is something to the effect of "OMG DRAEK AND TANGU STFU!!
AND THE FALCON, ALMOST FORGOT THE FALCON. FFS NERF" |
Buzzmong
Aliastra Gallente Federation
9
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Posted - 2011.11.11 22:07:00 -
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AnkaD wrote:Who thinks of the poor Moa/Rokh/Eagle/Ferox? Honestly everytime some writes Hybrids everybody only thinks of the Gallenteships. I admit they need work but is there any possibility to make the Caldari Gunbost viable? I actually don't know.
Harpies actually seem to work somehow though.
Ferox is easyish to fix and the solution has been bandied about for ages:
It's designed as a rail boat (aka a sniper), why does a rail boat have a tank bonus that's only useful when it's used as a Blasterox? Nobody outside of CCP knows.
Solution:
5% Shield Resist Per Level gets changed to 5% Tracking per level or a 5% damage per level.
I'd say damage bonuses err more towards Gallente and blasters while a tracking bonus generally helps rails more (esp coupled with a range bonus). |
A'Brantox Foson
SKEET ELITE
3
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Posted - 2011.11.11 22:42:00 -
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Ahh, FFS, balance is fine.
Perhaps the aeon or nyx need a buff, just to kick those minnie pilots in the balls once more... sheesh. |
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