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Kalast Raven
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Posted - 2006.03.15 20:59:00 -
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Any info as to when these will be released yet?
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K. Raven
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Kaylana Syi
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Posted - 2006.03.15 21:01:00 -
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Kali
which is slated for soon(tm)
 Originally by: "Oveur"
I don't react to threats any better than you do
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Liberace
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Posted - 2006.03.15 21:12:00 -
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He means to say SoonÖ
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Reficul Adamra
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Posted - 2006.03.15 21:20:00 -
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Kali will come out in June, afaik.
And by the looks of it,this could be the tier3 amarr/minmatar BS.
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lofty29
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Posted - 2006.03.15 21:23:00 -
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Thats a bloody nighoddgur (sp?), the minmatar carrier... noob 
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Originally by: Wrangler
I see boobies!! \o/
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Sarmaul
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Posted - 2006.03.15 21:24:00 -
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Edited by: Sarmaul on 15/03/2006 21:24:24
Originally by: lofty29
Thats a bloody nighoddgur (sp?), the minmatar carrier... noob
lol
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Reficul Adamra
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Posted - 2006.03.15 21:27:00 -
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Originally by: lofty29
Thats a bloody nighoddgur (sp?), the minmatar carrier... noob
Lol i really am a noob, am i.  Never seen that ship from behind.
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Drizit
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Posted - 2006.03.15 21:31:00 -
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Edited by: Drizit on 15/03/2006 21:37:37
Considering what I've seen so far with Amarr T2 ships compared to their T1 equivalents, a T3 Amarr BS will probably be a Bestower with an extra high slot for a missile an two extra mid slots but only 200 cargo and a top speed of 20m/s. Plus a bit of sticky tape around it for extra armour.
Look at the Impel: Massive armour and shield an extra slot in both mid and low. Then they reduced the high slots to one... But you can't even mount a damn gun on it now! What bloody use is that? It's supposed to survive in lower sec and it can't even shoot a small pop gun any more.
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Entreri Finwe
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Posted - 2006.03.15 21:57:00 -
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Edited by: Entreri Finwe on 15/03/2006 21:57:47
Originally by: Drizit
Edited by: Drizit on 15/03/2006 21:37:37
Considering what I've seen so far with Amarr T2 ships compared to their T1 equivalents, a T3 Amarr BS will probably be a Bestower with an extra high slot for a missile an two extra mid slots but only 200 cargo and a top speed of 20m/s. Plus a bit of sticky tape around it for extra armour.
Look at the Impel: Massive armour and shield an extra slot in both mid and low. Then they reduced the high slots to one... But you can't even mount a damn gun on it now! What bloody use is that? It's supposed to survive in lower sec and it can't even shoot a small pop gun any more.
No other deep space transport has more than one high slot and no guns/missiles
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Ikvar
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Posted - 2006.03.15 21:59:00 -
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Originally by: Drizit
Edited by: Drizit on 15/03/2006 21:37:37
Considering what I've seen so far with Amarr T2 ships compared to their T1 equivalents, a T3 Amarr BS will probably be a Bestower with an extra high slot for a missile an two extra mid slots but only 200 cargo and a top speed of 20m/s. Plus a bit of sticky tape around it for extra armour.
Look at the Impel: Massive armour and shield an extra slot in both mid and low. Then they reduced the high slots to one... But you can't even mount a damn gun on it now! What bloody use is that? It's supposed to survive in lower sec and it can't even shoot a small pop gun any more.
He means Tier 3, not Tech 3.
Originally by: Avon
I actually enjoy crafting in EQ2.
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dalman
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Posted - 2006.03.15 22:02:00 -
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Edited by: dalman on 15/03/2006 22:03:13
Originally by: Drizit
Considering what I've seen so far with Amarr T2 ships compared to their T1 equivalents, a T3 Amarr BS bla bla bla
Tier 3 means a standard tech 1 battleship, that requires battleship lvl 3 skill to fly (as in armageddon is a tier 1 and apoc a tier 2).
*edit*
meh, Ikvar, it's forbidden to post replies to a thread while I'm writing one.
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wierchas noobhunter
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Posted - 2006.03.15 22:22:00 -
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Originally by: Reficul Adamra
Originally by: lofty29
Thats a bloody nighoddgur (sp?), the minmatar carrier... noob
Lol i really am a noob, am i. Never seen that ship from behind.[:D]
ehm this sounds not good 
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Manion Taleroth
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Posted - 2006.03.15 22:24:00 -
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Edited by: Manion Taleroth on 15/03/2006 22:24:41
Originally by: Drizit
Edited by: Drizit on 15/03/2006 21:37:37
Considering what I've seen so far with Amarr T2 ships compared to their T1 equivalents, a T3 Amarr BS will probably be a Bestower with an extra high slot for a missile an two extra mid slots but only 200 cargo and a top speed of 20m/s. Plus a bit of sticky tape around it for extra armour.
Look at the Impel: Massive armour and shield an extra slot in both mid and low. Then they reduced the high slots to one... But you can't even mount a damn gun on it now! What bloody use is that? It's supposed to survive in lower sec and it can't even shoot a small pop gun any more.
This thread is about Tier 3 Battleships. You are talking about Tech 1 and Tech 2 TRANSPORTS! What's going on here? You're not only talking about the wrong progression, you're talking about the entirely wrong ship type.
If you're trying to make some sort of analogy, you're quite a bit off. Transports aren't combat ships, their highs aren't meant for killing.
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dalman
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Posted - 2006.03.15 22:49:00 -
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On the subject,
- hopefully not until they're ready.
Their roles needs to be carefully thought through.
* For Caldari, it's easy: they lack their BS rail platform.
But for the others it's much more difficult:
* Minmatar roles are already messed up, and the typhoon fix needs to be considered.
Personally I'd like to see the phoon more based on missiles (and it's drones), and I'd like to see the flexability of the tempest nerfed; so that of tempest and the tier 3 one can be considered an AC-ship and one as an artilley one.
* Gallente has their drone ship. But the megathron who originally was _the_ blasterboat has through history turned into a railboat. The upcomming fix to blasters needs to be considered so that there's a real difference between the mega and the tier 3.
* And amarr... they don't have such a 'long range <-> short range' thing. Their pulse lasers reach much further than blasters/ACs and their beam lasers track much better than rails/artilleries. Instead their two battleships rather has the roles of one geared towards offensive power and one towards defensive power. How do you create a third role then?
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Cavy Dan
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Posted - 2006.03.15 23:23:00 -
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Maybe Amarr needs an EW-ship?
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Ryzolette
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Posted - 2006.03.15 23:31:00 -
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Originally by: dalman
* And amarr... they don't have such a 'long range <-> short range' thing. Their pulse lasers reach much further than blasters/ACs and their beam lasers track much better than rails/artilleries. Instead their two battleships rather has the roles of one geared towards offensive power and one towards defensive power. How do you create a third role then?
Drone ship. Make it an extension of of the Arbitrator, except perhaps without an EW bonus. It seems silly to restrict drone BSs to only one race and force people to train gallente if they want to specialize in drones.
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God forbid
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Posted - 2006.03.15 23:53:00 -
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Originally by: Ryzolette
Originally by: dalman
* And amarr... they don't have such a 'long range <-> short range' thing. Their pulse lasers reach much further than blasters/ACs and their beam lasers track much better than rails/artilleries. Instead their two battleships rather has the roles of one geared towards offensive power and one towards defensive power. How do you create a third role then?
Drone ship. Make it an extension of of the Arbitrator, except perhaps without an EW bonus. It seems silly to restrict drone BSs to only one race and force people to train gallente if they want to specialize in drones.
ARGH!! I want a Amarr bs Drone ship!! NOW NOW NOW.. :P 
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Meiron
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Posted - 2006.03.16 00:41:00 -
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Apocalypse is actually not following the Amarr ship progression. It's one of the only (maybe THE only?) ships with a capacitor capacity bonus. The other defensive Amarr ships get 5% per level of armor resistance instead. Think Punisher-Maller-Prophecy. So it's only logical that this line continues to the battleship level.
The new battleship could get the normal 10% cap use for large lasers and 5% armor resists per level, and be slow, have decent hps, doesn't have great cap, but incredible powergrid/high CPU so it can fit Tachyon beams without too many RCUs, and go from there. It can then tank with high resists and 1 rep instead of going the Apoc route with 2 reps and decent resists.
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Masta Killa
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Posted - 2006.03.16 01:08:00 -
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I wish the tier 3 cald bs was a 8/6/6 supar raven but one can only dream... *sigh* 
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Malthros Zenobia
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Posted - 2006.03.16 07:24:00 -
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Originally by: dalman
On the subject,
- hopefully not until they're ready.
Their roles needs to be carefully thought through.
* For Caldari, it's easy: they lack their BS rail platform.
good, screw rail platforms. Give us a Micro Carrier. Scorpion-type weapon layout with the ability to field 1-2 fighters. Regardless of how little CCP has stuck to the backstory, the Caldari are the 1-man fighter kings.
Give Caldari a BS that can launch a couple fighters.
Give Gallente an all-out blasterboat. Think Thorax only bigger, and harder hitting.
Give Minmatar an 8hislot ship with 6missile/6turret for the hardpoints, and +speed/agility and -sig res per level or something.
Give Amarr some mega-heavy, slow-as-hell laser platform, possibly an up-close version. +dam with levels, and +rof.
Originally by: Istvaan Shogaatsu
I'm probably one of the biggest Bush fanboys in Eve...
This is like, Darth Vader, can't-reach-climax-without-killing-a-puppy evil.
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Malthros Zenobia
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Posted - 2006.03.16 07:28:00 -
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Originally by: Masta Killa
I wish the tier 3 cald bs was a 8/6/6 supar raven but one can only dream... *sigh*
I'm just hoping the teir2 BC is like a 7-8 missile slot ferox. If I can fit 6-8 heavy missile launchers and still have a nice 12k or so shield tank I'll be happy.
Drop the turret range bonus for a missile damage bonus, and keep the 5% resists (unless you want to give us a rof bonus too), and I'll probably forget all about a Raven or Cerb...
Originally by: Istvaan Shogaatsu
I'm probably one of the biggest Bush fanboys in Eve...
This is like, Darth Vader, can't-reach-climax-without-killing-a-puppy evil.
RAWR!11 Sig Hijack!11 - Imaran |
Emeline Cabernet
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Posted - 2006.03.16 07:38:00 -
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if amarr gets a ew or missile boat im gonna swim to iceland and sink it.
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Lucian Alucard
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Posted - 2006.03.16 07:38:00 -
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Gallente could use a EW ship
Amar- Ew
Minmatar-Rebuild of the Phoon to a drone ship and the Teir 3 being a Ew boat with a strong defense,so they finally have a outstanding tanker.
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Ikvar
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Posted - 2006.03.16 20:24:00 -
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It'll probably be like:
Amarr: Drone Boat
Caldari: Rail Boat
Gallente: Missile/Hybrid boat (a nice pink Roden one) or maybe a dampner bonus ship, although we can all hope for a really blaster focused one
Minmatar: Who the **** cares really? One that doesn't work too good probably.
Originally by: Avon
I actually enjoy crafting in EQ2.
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Cyrus Gideon
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Posted - 2006.03.16 21:24:00 -
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Originally by: Emeline Cabernet
if amarr gets a ew or missile boat im gonna swim to iceland and sink it.
Mwahahaha, nice one .
I don't have any experience with Battleships yet, but I think they should stick with what is typical for the races, giving minmatar a missleboat or amarr an EW boat is a bad idea IMO.
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Hutchins
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Posted - 2006.03.16 23:05:00 -
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Is hoping the T3 minmatar BS gets 8 turret slots and +rof and +damage bonuses wrong? Because if it is, I don't want to be right. That kind of alpha strike potential would make me very excited in the frontal pants area.
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Chi Prime
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Posted - 2006.03.17 07:57:00 -
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I'd love to see the Gallente tier 3 with a huge dampener range bonus, to counter those pesky 220km+ snipers.
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munchy
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Posted - 2006.03.17 08:20:00 -
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Edited by: munchy on 17/03/2006 08:22:06
amarr need a tracking dirstuptor ship imo, galante need a dampner (anti sniper) and i dunno about minmatar, maybe an autocannon boat?
edit, and caldari need a railboat i think
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klok718
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Posted - 2006.03.17 08:47:00 -
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My dream BS... minmattar w/ 7 high slots for 7 launchers or 7 cannons and 8 low slots and a 200m-drone bay. The trade off, 300m-cargo hold, 2 mid slots and 75k/m base speed. Bonuses would be +5% Rate of fire for all turrets and launchers AND -10% speed per level.
But just like grandma said, "p00p in one hand and wish in the other and see which is filled first"
I could see this ship working one of two ways: first of course is the 8 cruise /torp missile boat w/ armor tank and the second is the 8 autocannon ôcruiser pwner ö.
one thing i have learned in this thread. the minmattar NEED A BETTER BATTLESHIP!
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KilROCK
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Posted - 2006.03.17 08:51:00 -
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Originally by: Sarmaul
Edited by: Sarmaul on 15/03/2006 21:24:24
Originally by: lofty29
Thats a bloody nighoddgur (sp?), the minmatar carrier... noob
lol
It's the Hel, Bunch of ignorants.. 
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