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Kalast Raven	Posted - 2006.03.15 20:59:00 - [1] Any info as to when these will be released yet? ------- K. Raven
Kaylana Syi	Posted - 2006.03.15 21:01:00 - [2] Kali which is slated for soon(tm) Originally by: "Oveur" I don't react to threats any better than you do
Liberace	Posted - 2006.03.15 21:12:00 - [3] He means to say SoonÖ
Reficul Adamra	Posted - 2006.03.15 21:20:00 - [4] Kali will come out in June, afaik. And by the looks of it,this could be the tier3 amarr/minmatar BS.
lofty29	Posted - 2006.03.15 21:23:00 - [5] Thats a bloody nighoddgur (sp?), the minmatar carrier... noob --------------------------- Originally by: Wrangler I see boobies!! \o/
Sarmaul	Posted - 2006.03.15 21:24:00 - [6] Edited by: Sarmaul on 15/03/2006 21:24:24 Originally by: lofty29 Thats a bloody nighoddgur (sp?), the minmatar carrier... noob lol
Reficul Adamra	Posted - 2006.03.15 21:27:00 - [7] Originally by: lofty29 Thats a bloody nighoddgur (sp?), the minmatar carrier... noob Lol i really am a noob, am i. Never seen that ship from behind.
Drizit	Posted - 2006.03.15 21:31:00 - [8] Edited by: Drizit on 15/03/2006 21:37:37 Considering what I've seen so far with Amarr T2 ships compared to their T1 equivalents, a T3 Amarr BS will probably be a Bestower with an extra high slot for a missile an two extra mid slots but only 200 cargo and a top speed of 20m/s. Plus a bit of sticky tape around it for extra armour. Look at the Impel: Massive armour and shield an extra slot in both mid and low. Then they reduced the high slots to one... But you can't even mount a damn gun on it now! What bloody use is that? It's supposed to survive in lower sec and it can't even shoot a small pop gun any more.
Entreri Finwe	Posted - 2006.03.15 21:57:00 - [9] Edited by: Entreri Finwe on 15/03/2006 21:57:47 Originally by: Drizit Edited by: Drizit on 15/03/2006 21:37:37 Considering what I've seen so far with Amarr T2 ships compared to their T1 equivalents, a T3 Amarr BS will probably be a Bestower with an extra high slot for a missile an two extra mid slots but only 200 cargo and a top speed of 20m/s. Plus a bit of sticky tape around it for extra armour. Look at the Impel: Massive armour and shield an extra slot in both mid and low. Then they reduced the high slots to one... But you can't even mount a damn gun on it now! What bloody use is that? It's supposed to survive in lower sec and it can't even shoot a small pop gun any more. No other deep space transport has more than one high slot and no guns/missiles ---
Ikvar	Posted - 2006.03.15 21:59:00 - [10] Originally by: Drizit Edited by: Drizit on 15/03/2006 21:37:37 Considering what I've seen so far with Amarr T2 ships compared to their T1 equivalents, a T3 Amarr BS will probably be a Bestower with an extra high slot for a missile an two extra mid slots but only 200 cargo and a top speed of 20m/s. Plus a bit of sticky tape around it for extra armour. Look at the Impel: Massive armour and shield an extra slot in both mid and low. Then they reduced the high slots to one... But you can't even mount a damn gun on it now! What bloody use is that? It's supposed to survive in lower sec and it can't even shoot a small pop gun any more. He means Tier 3, not Tech 3. Originally by: Avon I actually enjoy crafting in EQ2.
dalman	Posted - 2006.03.15 22:02:00 - [11] Edited by: dalman on 15/03/2006 22:03:13 Originally by: Drizit Considering what I've seen so far with Amarr T2 ships compared to their T1 equivalents, a T3 Amarr BS bla bla bla Tier 3 means a standard tech 1 battleship, that requires battleship lvl 3 skill to fly (as in armageddon is a tier 1 and apoc a tier 2). edit meh, Ikvar, it's forbidden to post replies to a thread while I'm writing one. Am I forced to have any regret? I've become the lie, beautiful and free In my righteous own mind I adore and preach the insanity you gave to me
wierchas noobhunter	Posted - 2006.03.15 22:22:00 - [12] Originally by: Reficul Adamra Originally by: lofty29 Thats a bloody nighoddgur (sp?), the minmatar carrier... noob Lol i really am a noob, am i. Never seen that ship from behind.[:D] ehm this sounds not good
Manion Taleroth	Posted - 2006.03.15 22:24:00 - [13] Edited by: Manion Taleroth on 15/03/2006 22:24:41 Originally by: Drizit Edited by: Drizit on 15/03/2006 21:37:37 Considering what I've seen so far with Amarr T2 ships compared to their T1 equivalents, a T3 Amarr BS will probably be a Bestower with an extra high slot for a missile an two extra mid slots but only 200 cargo and a top speed of 20m/s. Plus a bit of sticky tape around it for extra armour. Look at the Impel: Massive armour and shield an extra slot in both mid and low. Then they reduced the high slots to one... But you can't even mount a damn gun on it now! What bloody use is that? It's supposed to survive in lower sec and it can't even shoot a small pop gun any more. This thread is about Tier 3 Battleships. You are talking about Tech 1 and Tech 2 TRANSPORTS! What's going on here? You're not only talking about the wrong progression, you're talking about the entirely wrong ship type. If you're trying to make some sort of analogy, you're quite a bit off. Transports aren't combat ships, their highs aren't meant for killing.
dalman	Posted - 2006.03.15 22:49:00 - [14] On the subject, - hopefully not until they're ready. Their roles needs to be carefully thought through. * For Caldari, it's easy: they lack their BS rail platform. But for the others it's much more difficult: * Minmatar roles are already messed up, and the typhoon fix needs to be considered. Personally I'd like to see the phoon more based on missiles (and it's drones), and I'd like to see the flexability of the tempest nerfed; so that of tempest and the tier 3 one can be considered an AC-ship and one as an artilley one. * Gallente has their drone ship. But the megathron who originally was _the_ blasterboat has through history turned into a railboat. The upcomming fix to blasters needs to be considered so that there's a real difference between the mega and the tier 3. * And amarr... they don't have such a 'long range <-> short range' thing. Their pulse lasers reach much further than blasters/ACs and their beam lasers track much better than rails/artilleries. Instead their two battleships rather has the roles of one geared towards offensive power and one towards defensive power. How do you create a third role then? Am I forced to have any regret? I've become the lie, beautiful and free In my righteous own mind I adore and preach the insanity you gave to me
Cavy Dan	Posted - 2006.03.15 23:23:00 - [15] Maybe Amarr needs an EW-ship? ----------------------------------------------- My Band's new Demo: Linkage to Torrent
Ryzolette	Posted - 2006.03.15 23:31:00 - [16] Originally by: dalman * And amarr... they don't have such a 'long range <-> short range' thing. Their pulse lasers reach much further than blasters/ACs and their beam lasers track much better than rails/artilleries. Instead their two battleships rather has the roles of one geared towards offensive power and one towards defensive power. How do you create a third role then? Drone ship. Make it an extension of of the Arbitrator, except perhaps without an EW bonus. It seems silly to restrict drone BSs to only one race and force people to train gallente if they want to specialize in drones.
God forbid	Posted - 2006.03.15 23:53:00 - [17] Originally by: Ryzolette Originally by: dalman * And amarr... they don't have such a 'long range <-> short range' thing. Their pulse lasers reach much further than blasters/ACs and their beam lasers track much better than rails/artilleries. Instead their two battleships rather has the roles of one geared towards offensive power and one towards defensive power. How do you create a third role then? Drone ship. Make it an extension of of the Arbitrator, except perhaps without an EW bonus. It seems silly to restrict drone BSs to only one race and force people to train gallente if they want to specialize in drones. ARGH!! I want a Amarr bs Drone ship!! NOW NOW NOW.. :P Quote: 0w9 m4aT 4app3n2ed..
Meiron	Posted - 2006.03.16 00:41:00 - [18] Apocalypse is actually not following the Amarr ship progression. It's one of the only (maybe THE only?) ships with a capacitor capacity bonus. The other defensive Amarr ships get 5% per level of armor resistance instead. Think Punisher-Maller-Prophecy. So it's only logical that this line continues to the battleship level. The new battleship could get the normal 10% cap use for large lasers and 5% armor resists per level, and be slow, have decent hps, doesn't have great cap, but incredible powergrid/high CPU so it can fit Tachyon beams without too many RCUs, and go from there. It can then tank with high resists and 1 rep instead of going the Apoc route with 2 reps and decent resists.
Masta Killa	Posted - 2006.03.16 01:08:00 - [19] I wish the tier 3 cald bs was a 8/6/6 supar raven but one can only dream... sigh --------------------------------------
Malthros Zenobia	Posted - 2006.03.16 07:24:00 - [20] Originally by: dalman On the subject, - hopefully not until they're ready. Their roles needs to be carefully thought through. * For Caldari, it's easy: they lack their BS rail platform. good, screw rail platforms. Give us a Micro Carrier. Scorpion-type weapon layout with the ability to field 1-2 fighters. Regardless of how little CCP has stuck to the backstory, the Caldari are the 1-man fighter kings. Give Caldari a BS that can launch a couple fighters. Give Gallente an all-out blasterboat. Think Thorax only bigger, and harder hitting. Give Minmatar an 8hislot ship with 6missile/6turret for the hardpoints, and +speed/agility and -sig res per level or something. Give Amarr some mega-heavy, slow-as-hell laser platform, possibly an up-close version. +dam with levels, and +rof. Originally by: Istvaan Shogaatsu I'm probably one of the biggest Bush fanboys in Eve... This is like, Darth Vader, can't-reach-climax-without-killing-a-puppy evil. RAWR!11 Sig Hijack!11 - Imaran
Malthros Zenobia	Posted - 2006.03.16 07:28:00 - [21] Originally by: Masta Killa I wish the tier 3 cald bs was a 8/6/6 supar raven but one can only dream... sigh I'm just hoping the teir2 BC is like a 7-8 missile slot ferox. If I can fit 6-8 heavy missile launchers and still have a nice 12k or so shield tank I'll be happy. Drop the turret range bonus for a missile damage bonus, and keep the 5% resists (unless you want to give us a rof bonus too), and I'll probably forget all about a Raven or Cerb... Originally by: Istvaan Shogaatsu I'm probably one of the biggest Bush fanboys in Eve... This is like, Darth Vader, can't-reach-climax-without-killing-a-puppy evil. RAWR!11 Sig Hijack!11 - Imaran
Emeline Cabernet	Posted - 2006.03.16 07:38:00 - [22] if amarr gets a ew or missile boat im gonna swim to iceland and sink it.
Lucian Alucard	Posted - 2006.03.16 07:38:00 - [23] Gallente could use a EW ship Amar- Ew Minmatar-Rebuild of the Phoon to a drone ship and the Teir 3 being a Ew boat with a strong defense,so they finally have a outstanding tanker. ----------------------------------------------- "Quick, bring me a beaker of wine,that I may wet my mind and say something clever." ~Aristophane
Ikvar	Posted - 2006.03.16 20:24:00 - [24] It'll probably be like: Amarr: Drone Boat Caldari: Rail Boat Gallente: Missile/Hybrid boat (a nice pink Roden one) or maybe a dampner bonus ship, although we can all hope for a really blaster focused one Minmatar: Who the ** cares really? One that doesn't work too good probably. Originally by:** Avon I actually enjoy crafting in EQ2.
Cyrus Gideon	Posted - 2006.03.16 21:24:00 - [25] Originally by: Emeline Cabernet if amarr gets a ew or missile boat im gonna swim to iceland and sink it. Mwahahaha, nice one . I don't have any experience with Battleships yet, but I think they should stick with what is typical for the races, giving minmatar a missleboat or amarr an EW boat is a bad idea IMO.
Hutchins	Posted - 2006.03.16 23:05:00 - [26] Is hoping the T3 minmatar BS gets 8 turret slots and +rof and +damage bonuses wrong? Because if it is, I don't want to be right. That kind of alpha strike potential would make me very excited in the frontal pants area. The opinions of this humble zergling are not neccessarily those of the Goonfleet Overmind.
Chi Prime	Posted - 2006.03.17 07:57:00 - [27] I'd love to see the Gallente tier 3 with a huge dampener range bonus, to counter those pesky 220km+ snipers.
munchy	Posted - 2006.03.17 08:20:00 - [28] Edited by: munchy on 17/03/2006 08:22:06 amarr need a tracking dirstuptor ship imo, galante need a dampner (anti sniper) and i dunno about minmatar, maybe an autocannon boat? edit, and caldari need a railboat i think ---
klok718	Posted - 2006.03.17 08:47:00 - [29] My dream BS... minmattar w/ 7 high slots for 7 launchers or 7 cannons and 8 low slots and a 200m-drone bay. The trade off, 300m-cargo hold, 2 mid slots and 75k/m base speed. Bonuses would be +5% Rate of fire for all turrets and launchers AND -10% speed per level. But just like grandma said, "p00p in one hand and wish in the other and see which is filled first" I could see this ship working one of two ways: first of course is the 8 cruise /torp missile boat w/ armor tank and the second is the 8 autocannon ôcruiser pwner ö. one thing i have learned in this thread. the minmattar NEED A BETTER BATTLESHIP!
KilROCK	Posted - 2006.03.17 08:51:00 - [30] Originally by: Sarmaul Edited by: Sarmaul on 15/03/2006 21:24:24 Originally by: lofty29 Thats a bloody nighoddgur (sp?), the minmatar carrier... noob lol It's the Hel, Bunch of ignorants..
Jeanpierre Duvall	Posted - 2006.03.17 14:27:00 - [31] Caldari BS is a 7/7/5 5L/2T +10% Damage and HP for drones +5% shield resist. Amarr BS is a 7/5/7 7T +10% Track disrupt range +5% Armour resist. Minmatar BS is a 7/6/6 5L/5T with +5% Eplosive damage to Torps and Cruise +5% RoF for Launchers. Gallente BS well they will just get a amped up Velator cause they are the dirty dirty Gallente. :) Or it could not be that way.. Take your pick.. We see when they pop up on the testservers.
Pesadel0	Posted - 2006.03.17 14:29:00 - [32] Originally by: Jeanpierre Duvall Caldari BS is a 7/7/5 5L/2T +10% Damage and HP for drones +5% shield resist. Amarr BS is a 7/5/7 7T +10% Track disrupt range +5% Armour resist. Minmatar BS is a 7/6/6 5L/5T with +5% Eplosive damage to Torps and Cruise +5% RoF for Launchers. Gallente BS well they will just get a amped up Velator cause they are the dirty dirty Gallente. :) Or it could not be that way.. Take your pick.. We see when they pop up on the testservers. So now the caldari are the drone users ,the amar ewar traking users ,minmater missile and galente ?
ChalSto	Posted - 2006.03.17 14:47:00 - [33] Originally by: Pesadel0 Originally by: Jeanpierre Duvall Caldari BS is a 7/7/5 5L/2T +10% Damage and HP for drones +5% shield resist. Amarr BS is a 7/5/7 7T +10% Track disrupt range +5% Armour resist. Minmatar BS is a 7/6/6 5L/5T with +5% Eplosive damage to Torps and Cruise +5% RoF for Launchers. Gallente BS well they will just get a amped up Velator cause they are the dirty dirty Gallente. :) Or it could not be that way.. Take your pick.. We see when they pop up on the testservers. So now the caldari are the drone users ,the amar ewar traking users ,minmater missile and galente ? ....the new "I WIN" Rav........uhm...........Blasterthron...... Current Location: Relax and drinking a beer with Dreez and waiting for TomB¦s Blaster changes
Nyxus	Posted - 2006.03.17 14:55:00 - [34] The Amarr T3 BS is simple. Make it a big arbitrator. Bonus to Tracking Disruptors (ffs no more 190km sniping plz!) and a bonus to drones. Make it look like that flying pope hat I saw in another thread and I will do cartwheels in Jita naked. It should be grand and imposing. The Caldari BS is on that I have significant worries about. Making it a good rail sniping platform that shield tanks would make Caldari overpowered. Think about it, the vast majority of characters already are Caldari Raven flyers. Caldari BS lvl 5 would give you the best EW platform, the best missile platform, and a really good sniping platform as well? Why train anything else? Snipe+Shield tank+ lows full of damage mods and tracking. I kinda like the idea of the caldari getting a couple of fighters. The concept of blowing up fighters worth 20m then listening to the people who lost them whine has a certain appeal. Nyxus Macgyver can build an airplane out of gum and paper clips, but Chuck Norris can kill him and take it.
K Shara	Posted - 2006.03.17 16:19:00 - [35] caldari - railboat with shield res bonus. a bigger moa / eagle amarr - drone boat or a big prophecy gallante - sniper tanker . range & armour tanking bonus bonus minmatar - no idea No way should amarr have ew or missile boat
Keven	Posted - 2006.03.17 16:55:00 - [36] pocketcarrier for gallente plz
Xanta	Posted - 2006.03.17 16:57:00 - [37] Originally by: Keven pocketcarrier for gallente plz carrier = fighter = caldari
Keta Min	Posted - 2006.03.17 17:32:00 - [38] the minmatar t3 BS placeholder stats are already pretty decent. 8/6/6, 8 turrets and a 10% bonus which would be rof of course.
Jet Collins	Posted - 2006.03.17 17:53:00 - [39] http://evegames.hostingbig.com/eve/data/index.html This site has some stats for the tier 3 BS's although I'm not sure how accurate it is. I'm alteast hoping that the hulls will be new :). One thing that I have read in several post made in interest of the tier 3 ships is that they want them to follow the role of how the tiers are; 2 better than 1, and 3 better than 2, however they also don't want to make them better than the faction Battle ships. One thing you might expect is a ship that can do more damage than the current tier 1 and tier 2 ships but has much less HP or the other way around. Just what I have read.
Brujo Loco	Posted - 2006.03.17 18:14:00 - [40] As an Amarr player, and user of an Apoc and a Domi , I believe the Amarr SHOULD get a big Battleship like Arbitrator. I really like drones, but the cosmic strap-on aberration we call Dominix is just ... bleh! . I have fond memories of the Arbitrator when I ran level 2 missions. An specialized Amarr drone carrier battleship? why not? I absolutely love the idea. -"There's no worst blindness than that of those that do not want to see"-
Keven	Posted - 2006.03.17 20:57:00 - [41] Originally by: Xanta Originally by: Keven pocketcarrier for gallente plz carrier = fighter = caldari galcarrier = oversized drones = pocketcarrier ;) + we dun need another sniperplatform, thron excels in that already.
Ithildin	Posted - 2006.03.17 22:15:00 - [42] Let's have some Q and A. (Some of the Qs are statements, but, meh) Q: Will the Gallente ship have lots of missiles? I think it's time. A: Die. You are not worthy of life. Q: Will the Amarr/Caldari ship have drone bonuses? A: No. If you want drones then you picked the wrong race. Oh, and die for suggesting it. Q: I don't want the Caldari to be a railboat. A: Tough **. Just so happens that Caldari, an Lai Dai especially, loves railguns and sniping. Q: The Minmatar ship should have a painter bonus, it's only logical if you look at the Bellicose. A: As fun that would be. No. Actually, it'd be hillarious. Screw the Minmatar! Muahaha. --- Or a slightly less... erm... offensive version. Q: What race is most likely to have a high-tier drone ship? A: Gallente. Amarr might have an extremely low-tiered one for amusement purposes only. Q: What race is most likely to get a +10% optimal range bonus? A: Caldari. Q: What sort of tier are EWar ships most likely to be? A: Low tier. Not high tier. Originally by:** KilROCK Originally by: Arkanor Gallente missileboat might be cool. Pod yourself till you got no skills.[
Tiuwaz	Posted - 2006.03.17 22:19:00 - [43] Originally by: Ithildin Let's have some Q and A. (Some of the Qs are statements, but, meh) Q: Will the Gallente ship have lots of missiles? I think it's time. A: Die. You are not worthy of life. Q: Will the Amarr/Caldari ship have drone bonuses? A: No. If you want drones then you picked the wrong race. Oh, and die for suggesting it. Q: I don't want the Caldari to be a railboat. A: Tough **. Just so happens that Caldari, an Lai Dai especially, loves railguns and sniping. Q: The Minmatar ship should have a painter bonus, it's only logical if you look at the Bellicose. A: As fun that would be. No. Actually, it'd be hillarious. Screw the Minmatar! Muahaha. Brilliant I'll hunt you down tough if Minmatar get a Target Painter Bonus Originally by:** Oveur ****! Lets nerf it! To the nerfmobile!
Glarion Garnier	Posted - 2006.03.17 23:13:00 - [44] In realtion to racial friendships Gallente + Minmatar, Caldari + Amarr. it could be even Amarr some sort fusion of Missiles + Lasers 8 /4 / 7 high (7 turret + 5 missile hardpoints) resistances + 5% em missile dmg + 5% laser dmg. perhaps Gallente Speed enhanced Blaster boat 8 / 5 / 6 (8 turret hard point) mwd bonus + high base speed, 10% blaster dmg per lvl or 5% blaste dmg + sensor damp bonus Minmatar Assault BS , 8 / 6 / 5 (8 turret hard points) large projectile dmg bonus, EXP drone dmg bonus 10% per lvl (can use 5 heavy) + something Caldari 8 / 7 / 4 (7 turret, 4 missile) 10% optimal on hybrids per lvl , 10% speed to cruise missiles per lvl, 5% bonus to hybrid falloff per lvl
Audri Fisher	Posted - 2006.03.18 08:39:00 - [45] am I wrong when I look at the numbers and it looks like at Battleship 5, the caldari railship will be able to use antimatter at 80km with tech II mods? or be able to use the long range tech II ammo out to around 230ish km? I could live with antimatter at 80km....
operated	Posted - 2006.03.18 12:28:00 - [46] why not give em new role something that no other ship does yet .maybe something like a radar ship that shows ppl in space , or one that can reform your ship into minerals after fight , or one that can go into a seige mode , whatever, id like something new , not with 8/5/6 lows or something , a total new bs would rock and have a meaning .
KilROCK	Posted - 2006.03.18 12:34:00 - [47] Edited by: KilROCK on 18/03/2006 12:34:37 Originally by: Ithildin Let's have some Q and A. (Some of the Qs are statements, but, meh) Q: Will the Gallente ship have lots of missiles? I think it's time. A: Die. You are not worthy of life. Q: Will the Amarr/Caldari ship have drone bonuses? A: No. If you want drones then you picked the wrong race. Oh, and die for suggesting it. Q: I don't want the Caldari to be a railboat. A: Tough **. Just so happens that Caldari, an Lai Dai especially, loves railguns and sniping. Q: The Minmatar ship should have a painter bonus, it's only logical if you look at the Bellicose. A: As fun that would be. No. Actually, it'd be hillarious. Screw the Minmatar! Muahaha. In zeh siggy! By the way, remove the [ in your sig, it looks odd... Originally by:** Ithildin Q: Will the Gallente ship have lots of missiles? I think it's time. A: Die. You are not worthy of life.
Chi Prime	Posted - 2006.03.18 16:01:00 - [48] Originally by: Ithildin Q: Will the Gallente ship have lots of missiles? I think it's time. A: Die. You are not worthy of life. Q: Will the Amarr/Caldari ship have drone bonuses? A: No. If you want drones then you picked the wrong race. Oh, and die for suggesting it. Q: I don't want the Caldari to be a railboat. A: Tough ****. Just so happens that Caldari, an Lai Dai especially, loves railguns and sniping. Q: The Minmatar ship should have a painter bonus, it's only logical if you look at the Bellicose. A: As fun that would be. No. Actually, it'd be hillarious. Screw the Minmatar! Muahaha. I'm still hoping Gallente gets a huge bonus to dampener range though We need something to counter those 220km+ snipers. (Advanced long range jamming and falloff skills would be nice aswell.)
Audri Fisher	Posted - 2006.03.18 20:38:00 - [49] MWD counter 220km snipers right? esp if you don't charge right in but spiral in. ( yea I know its damn hard with the current flying system )
Kevens Associate	Posted - 2006.03.18 21:31:00 - [50] Edited by: Kevens Associate on 18/03/2006 21:31:13 Originally by: Audri Fisher MWD counter 220km snipers right? esp if you don't charge right in but spiral in. ( yea I know its damn hard with the current flying system ) I don't know if i should laugh at you, or get your head nailed on a pike. EDIT: stupid alt selection
Jezala	Posted - 2006.03.18 21:44:00 - [51] Originally by: operated why not give em new role something that no other ship does yet .maybe something like a radar ship that shows ppl in space , or one that can reform your ship into minerals after fight , or one that can go into a seige mode , whatever, id like something new , not with 8/5/6 lows or something , a total new bs would rock and have a meaning . On the topic of new roles, one of the things I'd like to see in tier 3 battleships are functions and abilities that expand PvP combat on the strategic level. I'm not talking about gang bonuses that we see with the command units, that's tactical. I'd like to see new strategic abilities like a tier 3 bonus that interacts with the maps and/or scanner. Something like the ability to view detailed information about who, what and roughly where objects are in systems 'x' lightyears away from your present position..or perhaps the ability to analyze traffic history at a particular jump gate, and so on. Somehow it seems quite limiting and stagnant to see tier 3 suggestions that are basically just different combinations of weapon systems on a new ship model. ...and yes, we do sell and deliver ammo. 425 Express Delivery is available upon request, please see Hans Gates and Marcus Grisbius regarding this option.
Krulla	Posted - 2006.03.18 21:44:00 - [52] Edited by: Krulla on 18/03/2006 21:47:29 Personally I think the new battleships should be a second tier I. Think about it. The highest tier ships, wether they are tier 2 or 3, should be the pinnacle of that race's ship design; Atm, Amarr get their mighty Apocalypse, with tons of powergrid, good tanking, good cap, and all the subtlety of a brick wall; the Minmatar get their tempest, the fastest tier 2 battleship, and highest burst damage in game; Caldari get the Missile spamming, shield tanking raven, and the Gallente get the blasterthron. The new battleships are designed to plug the holes in the battleship line up; a arbie for amarr, a celestis for gallente, a bellicose for minnies, and a moa for the caldari. However, if they'd be tier 3, they'd have better stats overall, and overshadow their lower tier cousins; the tier 3 Amarr battleship shouldn't be a drone boat! That wouldn't make sense. Why would the Amarr, with their big-guns-thick-armor warfare philsophy design their mighties battleship to be a drone carrier? Answer; They wouldn't. However, a tier 1 amarr drone carrier would be fine; it would play second fiddle to the apoc, so to speak. Same with the gallentean dampening battleship. This could allow for oddball ships like the amarrian drone carrier, the minmatar missile boat, etcetera.. Respect the Domi. Or else. SIG HIJACK!!11 RAWRR!!1- IMMY
GlimmerMan	Posted - 2006.03.18 23:09:00 - [53] Originally by: Jet Collins Edited by: Jet Collins on 17/03/2006 17:57:29 http://evegames.hostingbig.com/eve/data/index.html This site has some stats for the tier 3 BS's although I'm not sure how accurate it is. I'd guess it's not very accurate. I don't recall the thread but a dev once made a post stating that the Tier 3 Battleships would not be superior to the current range of faction Battleships, and right now with those placeholder stats they are looking far better. Of course maybe he meant they'll keep the gap by boosting the faction ships , but I doubt it.
SuperSpy00bob	Posted - 2006.03.18 23:26:00 - [54] Edited by: SuperSpy00bob on 18/03/2006 23:26:35 Originally by: Krulla Personally I think the new battleships should be a second tier I. Think about it. The highest tier ships, wether they are tier 2 or 3, should be the pinnacle of that race's ship design; Atm, Amarr get their mighty Apocalypse, with tons of powergrid, good tanking, good cap, and all the subtlety of a brick wall; the Minmatar get their tempest, the fastest tier 2 battleship, and highest burst damage in game; Caldari get the Missile spamming, shield tanking raven, and the Gallente get the blasterthron. The new battleships are designed to plug the holes in the battleship line up; a arbie for amarr, a celestis for gallente, a bellicose for minnies, and a moa for the caldari. However, if they'd be tier 3, they'd have better stats overall, and overshadow their lower tier cousins; the tier 3 Amarr battleship shouldn't be a drone boat! That wouldn't make sense. Why would the Amarr, with their big-guns-thick-armor warfare philsophy design their mighties battleship to be a drone carrier? Answer; They wouldn't. However, a tier 1 amarr drone carrier would be fine; it would play second fiddle to the apoc, so to speak. Same with the gallentean dampening battleship. This could allow for oddball ships like the amarrian drone carrier, the minmatar missile boat, etcetera.. I really like this idea. I think the current tier 2 BS should me moved to tier 3. Then introduce the new BS as tier 2. That way each race keeps its flagship BS as the top of the line. Then you can be free to muck about with the new BS without messing up each race's image. </.02$>
Panta Rei	Posted - 2006.03.20 21:10:00 - [55] That might work for the other races, but for Caldari it is logical that the new one is tier 3 (just like the moa is a higher tier than the caracal).
Recluse XXX	Posted - 2006.03.20 21:28:00 - [56] Hmmmm....10% to HYBRID weapons per level for Caldari...I like it, then I should be able to use Neutron blasters as well as Geddons use their Megapulses :P And Ith, let the Gallentes feel the pain that Caldari and Minmatar have felt when they had to train skills for 2 weapon systems...give Gallente a missleboat //Rec ------------- Edited by: sausage jockey on 01/02/2006 22:02:39 We will not give up until we have penetrated the rear entrance to Stain, we hope this will hurt SA to the point they start to cry.
Clavius XIV	Posted - 2006.03.20 22:42:00 - [57] I'm all for new tech 1 Battleships as long as all the following is true: 1) New T1 BS should not make other BS stepping stones. They should be a viable choice, but definatly not the only choice. 2) New T1 BS should not do things that existing BS already do. As much as I would love an Arbitrator style BS, we already have a BS droneboat, and that's the Dominix. If the Caldari get a sniping railboat it would make sense to change the Mega bonuses back to only effecting blasters... Of course the Gallente BS pilots would (rightly) be more than a bit upset. I know CCP wants to release new stuff to "keep the game interesting" but the fact is that the only unique BS folks can agree on is the Caldari rail platform. How about CCP does not introduce 3 out of place BS that either marganilize others or are marginal themselves, just so Caldari can get a railboat?
Jalia Kovac	Posted - 2006.03.20 22:45:00 - [58] Originally by: Ikvar Minmatar: Who the ** cares really? One that doesn't work too good probably. Not the first time I've read this thread and I'm still laughing my ** off at that one. ► ► Placid Reborn Headquarters ◄ ◄

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