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Jeanpierre Duvall
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Posted - 2006.03.17 14:27:00 -
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Caldari BS is a 7/7/5 5L/2T +10% Damage and HP for drones +5% shield resist.
Amarr BS is a 7/5/7 7T +10% Track disrupt range +5% Armour resist.
Minmatar BS is a 7/6/6 5L/5T with +5% Eplosive damage to Torps and Cruise +5% RoF for Launchers.
Gallente BS well they will just get a amped up Velator cause they are the dirty dirty Gallente. :)
Or it could not be that way.. Take your pick.. We see when they pop up on the testservers.
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Pesadel0
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Posted - 2006.03.17 14:29:00 -
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 Originally by: Jeanpierre Duvall
Caldari BS is a 7/7/5 5L/2T +10% Damage and HP for drones +5% shield resist.
Amarr BS is a 7/5/7 7T +10% Track disrupt range +5% Armour resist.
Minmatar BS is a 7/6/6 5L/5T with +5% Eplosive damage to Torps and Cruise +5% RoF for Launchers.
Gallente BS well they will just get a amped up Velator cause they are the dirty dirty Gallente. :)
Or it could not be that way.. Take your pick.. We see when they pop up on the testservers.
So now the caldari are the drone users ,the amar ewar traking users ,minmater missile and galente ?
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ChalSto
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Posted - 2006.03.17 14:47:00 -
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Originally by: Pesadel0
Originally by: Jeanpierre Duvall
Caldari BS is a 7/7/5 5L/2T +10% Damage and HP for drones +5% shield resist.
Amarr BS is a 7/5/7 7T +10% Track disrupt range +5% Armour resist.
Minmatar BS is a 7/6/6 5L/5T with +5% Eplosive damage to Torps and Cruise +5% RoF for Launchers.
Gallente BS well they will just get a amped up Velator cause they are the dirty dirty Gallente. :)
Or it could not be that way.. Take your pick.. We see when they pop up on the testservers.
So now the caldari are the drone users ,the amar ewar traking users ,minmater missile and galente ?
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Nyxus
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Posted - 2006.03.17 14:55:00 -
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The Amarr T3 BS is simple.
Make it a big arbitrator. Bonus to Tracking Disruptors (ffs no more 190km sniping plz!) and a bonus to drones. Make it look like that flying pope hat I saw in another thread and I will do cartwheels in Jita naked. It should be grand and imposing.
The Caldari BS is on that I have significant worries about. Making it a good rail sniping platform that shield tanks would make Caldari overpowered. Think about it, the vast majority of characters already are Caldari Raven flyers. Caldari BS lvl 5 would give you the best EW platform, the best missile platform, and a really good sniping platform as well? Why train anything else? Snipe+Shield tank+ lows full of damage mods and tracking.
I kinda like the idea of the caldari getting a couple of fighters. The concept of blowing up fighters worth 20m then listening to the people who lost them whine has a certain appeal.
Nyxus
Macgyver can build an airplane out of gum and paper clips, but Chuck Norris can kill him and take it.
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K Shara
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Posted - 2006.03.17 16:19:00 -
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caldari - railboat with shield res bonus. a bigger moa / eagle
amarr - drone boat or a big prophecy
gallante - sniper tanker . range & armour tanking bonus bonus
minmatar - no idea
No way should amarr have ew or missile boat
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Keven
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Posted - 2006.03.17 16:55:00 -
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pocketcarrier for gallente plz
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Xanta
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Posted - 2006.03.17 16:57:00 -
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Originally by: Keven
pocketcarrier for gallente plz
carrier = fighter = caldari
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Keta Min
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Posted - 2006.03.17 17:32:00 -
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the minmatar t3 BS placeholder stats are already pretty decent. 8/6/6, 8 turrets and a 10% bonus which would be rof of course.
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Jet Collins
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Posted - 2006.03.17 17:53:00 -
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http://evegames.hostingbig.com/eve/data/index.html
This site has some stats for the tier 3 BS's although I'm not sure how accurate it is. I'm alteast hoping that the hulls will be new :). One thing that I have read in several post made in interest of the tier 3 ships is that they want them to follow the role of how the tiers are; 2 better than 1, and 3 better than 2, however they also don't want to make them better than the faction Battle ships. One thing you might expect is a ship that can do more damage than the current tier 1 and tier 2 ships but has much less HP or the other way around.
Just what I have read.
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Brujo Loco
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Posted - 2006.03.17 18:14:00 -
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As an Amarr player, and user of an Apoc and a Domi , I believe the Amarr SHOULD get a big Battleship like Arbitrator. I really like drones, but the cosmic strap-on aberration we call Dominix is just ... bleh! . I have fond memories of the Arbitrator when I ran level 2 missions. An specialized Amarr drone carrier battleship? why not? I absolutely love the idea.
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Keven
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Posted - 2006.03.17 20:57:00 -
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Originally by: Xanta
Originally by: Keven
pocketcarrier for gallente plz
carrier = fighter = caldari
galcarrier = oversized drones = pocketcarrier ;)
+ we dun need another sniperplatform, thron excels in that already.
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Ithildin
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Posted - 2006.03.17 22:15:00 -
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Let's have some Q and A. (Some of the Qs are statements, but, meh)
Q: Will the Gallente ship have lots of missiles? I think it's time.
A: Die. You are not worthy of life.
Q: Will the Amarr/Caldari ship have drone bonuses?
A: No. If you want drones then you picked the wrong race. Oh, and die for suggesting it.
Q: I don't want the Caldari to be a railboat.
A: Tough ****. Just so happens that Caldari, an Lai Dai especially, loves railguns and sniping.
Q: The Minmatar ship should have a painter bonus, it's only logical if you look at the Bellicose.
A: As fun that would be. No. Actually, it'd be hillarious. Screw the Minmatar! Muahaha.
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Or a slightly less... erm... offensive version.
Q: What race is most likely to have a high-tier drone ship?
A: Gallente. Amarr might have an extremely low-tiered one for amusement purposes only.
Q: What race is most likely to get a +10% optimal range bonus?
A: Caldari.
Q: What sort of tier are EWar ships most likely to be?
A: Low tier. Not high tier.
Originally by: KilROCK
Originally by: Arkanor
Gallente missileboat might be cool.
Pod yourself till you got no skills.[ |
Tiuwaz
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Posted - 2006.03.17 22:19:00 -
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Originally by: Ithildin
Let's have some Q and A. (Some of the Qs are statements, but, meh)
Q: Will the Gallente ship have lots of missiles? I think it's time.
A: Die. You are not worthy of life.
Q: Will the Amarr/Caldari ship have drone bonuses?
A: No. If you want drones then you picked the wrong race. Oh, and die for suggesting it.
Q: I don't want the Caldari to be a railboat.
A: Tough ****. Just so happens that Caldari, an Lai Dai especially, loves railguns and sniping.
Q: The Minmatar ship should have a painter bonus, it's only logical if you look at the Bellicose.
A: As fun that would be. No. Actually, it'd be hillarious. Screw the Minmatar! Muahaha.
Brilliant
I'll hunt you down tough if Minmatar get a Target Painter Bonus 
Originally by: Oveur
****! Lets nerf it!
To the nerfmobile!
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Glarion Garnier
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Posted - 2006.03.17 23:13:00 -
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In realtion to racial friendships Gallente + Minmatar, Caldari + Amarr.
it could be even
Amarr some sort fusion of Missiles + Lasers 8 /4 / 7 high (7 turret + 5 missile hardpoints) resistances + 5% em missile dmg + 5% laser dmg. perhaps
Gallente Speed enhanced Blaster boat 8 / 5 / 6 (8 turret hard point) mwd bonus + high base speed, 10% blaster dmg per lvl or 5% blaste dmg + sensor damp bonus
Minmatar
Assault BS , 8 / 6 / 5 (8 turret hard points)
large projectile dmg bonus, EXP drone dmg bonus 10% per lvl (can use 5 heavy) + something
Caldari
8 / 7 / 4 (7 turret, 4 missile)
10% optimal on hybrids per lvl , 10% speed to cruise missiles per lvl, 5% bonus to hybrid falloff per lvl
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Audri Fisher
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Posted - 2006.03.18 08:39:00 -
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am I wrong when I look at the numbers and it looks like at Battleship 5, the caldari railship will be able to use antimatter at 80km with tech II mods? or be able to use the long range tech II ammo out to around 230ish km?
I could live with antimatter at 80km....
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operated
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Posted - 2006.03.18 12:28:00 -
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why not give em new role something that no other ship does yet .maybe something like a radar ship that shows ppl in space , or one that can reform your ship into minerals after fight , or one that can go into a seige mode , whatever, id like something new , not with 8/5/6 lows or something , a total new bs would rock and have a meaning .
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KilROCK
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Posted - 2006.03.18 12:34:00 -
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Edited by: KilROCK on 18/03/2006 12:34:37
Originally by: Ithildin
Let's have some Q and A. (Some of the Qs are statements, but, meh)
Q: Will the Gallente ship have lots of missiles? I think it's time.
A: Die. You are not worthy of life.
Q: Will the Amarr/Caldari ship have drone bonuses?
A: No. If you want drones then you picked the wrong race. Oh, and die for suggesting it.
Q: I don't want the Caldari to be a railboat.
A: Tough ****. Just so happens that Caldari, an Lai Dai especially, loves railguns and sniping.
Q: The Minmatar ship should have a painter bonus, it's only logical if you look at the Bellicose.
A: As fun that would be. No. Actually, it'd be hillarious. Screw the Minmatar! Muahaha.
In zeh siggy!
By the way, remove the [ in your sig, it looks odd... 
Originally by: Ithildin
Q: Will the Gallente ship have lots of missiles? I think it's time.
A: Die. You are not worthy of life.
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Chi Prime
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Posted - 2006.03.18 16:01:00 -
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Originally by: Ithildin
Q: Will the Gallente ship have lots of missiles? I think it's time.
A: Die. You are not worthy of life.
Q: Will the Amarr/Caldari ship have drone bonuses?
A: No. If you want drones then you picked the wrong race. Oh, and die for suggesting it.
Q: I don't want the Caldari to be a railboat.
A: Tough ****. Just so happens that Caldari, an Lai Dai especially, loves railguns and sniping.
Q: The Minmatar ship should have a painter bonus, it's only logical if you look at the Bellicose.
A: As fun that would be. No. Actually, it'd be hillarious. Screw the Minmatar! Muahaha.
I'm still hoping Gallente gets a huge bonus to dampener range though  We need something to counter those 220km+ snipers. (Advanced long range jamming and falloff skills would be nice aswell.)
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Audri Fisher
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Posted - 2006.03.18 20:38:00 -
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MWD counter 220km snipers right? esp if you don't charge right in but spiral in. ( yea I know its damn hard with the current flying system )
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Kevens Associate
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Posted - 2006.03.18 21:31:00 -
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Edited by: Kevens Associate on 18/03/2006 21:31:13
Originally by: Audri Fisher
MWD counter 220km snipers right? esp if you don't charge right in but spiral in. ( yea I know its damn hard with the current flying system )
I don't know if i should laugh at you, or get your head nailed on a pike.
EDIT: stupid alt selection
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Jezala
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Posted - 2006.03.18 21:44:00 -
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Originally by: operated
why not give em new role something that no other ship does yet .maybe something like a radar ship that shows ppl in space , or one that can reform your ship into minerals after fight , or one that can go into a seige mode , whatever, id like something new , not with 8/5/6 lows or something , a total new bs would rock and have a meaning .
On the topic of new roles, one of the things I'd like to see in tier 3 battleships are functions and abilities that expand PvP combat on the strategic level. I'm not talking about gang bonuses that we see with the command units, that's tactical. I'd like to see new strategic abilities like a tier 3 bonus that interacts with the maps and/or scanner. Something like the ability to view detailed information about who, what and roughly where objects are in systems 'x' lightyears away from your present position..or perhaps the ability to analyze traffic history at a particular jump gate, and so on.
Somehow it seems quite limiting and stagnant to see tier 3 suggestions that are basically just different combinations of weapon systems on a new ship model.
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Krulla
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Posted - 2006.03.18 21:44:00 -
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Edited by: Krulla on 18/03/2006 21:47:29
Personally I think the new battleships should be a second tier I.
Think about it. The highest tier ships, wether they are tier 2 or 3, should be the pinnacle of that race's ship design; Atm, Amarr get their mighty Apocalypse, with tons of powergrid, good tanking, good cap, and all the subtlety of a brick wall; the Minmatar get their tempest, the fastest tier 2 battleship, and highest burst damage in game; Caldari get the Missile spamming, shield tanking raven, and the Gallente get the blasterthron.
The new battleships are designed to plug the holes in the battleship line up; a arbie for amarr, a celestis for gallente, a bellicose for minnies, and a moa for the caldari.
However, if they'd be tier 3, they'd have better stats overall, and overshadow their lower tier cousins; the tier 3 Amarr battleship shouldn't be a drone boat! That wouldn't make sense. Why would the Amarr, with their big-guns-thick-armor warfare philsophy design their mighties battleship to be a drone carrier? Answer; They wouldn't.
However, a tier 1 amarr drone carrier would be fine; it would play second fiddle to the apoc, so to speak. Same with the gallentean dampening battleship.
This could allow for oddball ships like the amarrian drone carrier, the minmatar missile boat, etcetera..
Respect the Domi. Or else.
SIG HIJACK!!11 RAWRR!!1- IMMY
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GlimmerMan
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Posted - 2006.03.18 23:09:00 -
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Originally by: Jet Collins
Edited by: Jet Collins on 17/03/2006 17:57:29
http://evegames.hostingbig.com/eve/data/index.html
This site has some stats for the tier 3 BS's although I'm not sure how accurate it is.
I'd guess it's not very accurate. I don't recall the thread but a dev once made a post stating that the Tier 3 Battleships would not be superior to the current range of faction Battleships, and right now with those placeholder stats they are looking far better. Of course maybe he meant they'll keep the gap by boosting the faction ships  , but I doubt it.
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SuperSpy00bob
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Posted - 2006.03.18 23:26:00 -
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Edited by: SuperSpy00bob on 18/03/2006 23:26:35
Originally by: Krulla
Personally I think the new battleships should be a second tier I.
Think about it. The highest tier ships, wether they are tier 2 or 3, should be the pinnacle of that race's ship design; Atm, Amarr get their mighty Apocalypse, with tons of powergrid, good tanking, good cap, and all the subtlety of a brick wall; the Minmatar get their tempest, the fastest tier 2 battleship, and highest burst damage in game; Caldari get the Missile spamming, shield tanking raven, and the Gallente get the blasterthron.
The new battleships are designed to plug the holes in the battleship line up; a arbie for amarr, a celestis for gallente, a bellicose for minnies, and a moa for the caldari.
However, if they'd be tier 3, they'd have better stats overall, and overshadow their lower tier cousins; the tier 3 Amarr battleship shouldn't be a drone boat! That wouldn't make sense. Why would the Amarr, with their big-guns-thick-armor warfare philsophy design their mighties battleship to be a drone carrier? Answer; They wouldn't.
However, a tier 1 amarr drone carrier would be fine; it would play second fiddle to the apoc, so to speak. Same with the gallentean dampening battleship.
This could allow for oddball ships like the amarrian drone carrier, the minmatar missile boat, etcetera..
I really like this idea.
I think the current tier 2 BS should me moved to tier 3. Then introduce the new BS as tier 2. That way each race keeps its flagship BS as the top of the line. Then you can be free to muck about with the new BS without messing up each race's image.
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Panta Rei
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Posted - 2006.03.20 21:10:00 -
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That might work for the other races, but for Caldari it is logical that the new one is tier 3 (just like the moa is a higher tier than the caracal).
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Recluse XXX
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Posted - 2006.03.20 21:28:00 -
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Hmmmm....10% to HYBRID weapons per level for Caldari...I like it, then I should be able to use Neutron blasters as well as Geddons use their Megapulses :P
And Ith, let the Gallentes feel the pain that Caldari and Minmatar have felt when they had to train skills for 2 weapon systems...give Gallente a missleboat
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Edited by: sausage jockey on 01/02/2006 22:02:39
We will not give up until we have penetrated the rear entrance to Stain, we hope this will hurt SA to the point they start to cry.
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Clavius XIV
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Posted - 2006.03.20 22:42:00 -
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I'm all for new tech 1 Battleships as long as all the following is true:
1) New T1 BS should not make other BS stepping stones. They should be a viable choice, but definatly not the only choice.
2) New T1 BS should not do things that existing BS already do. As much as I would love an Arbitrator style BS, we already have a BS droneboat, and that's the Dominix. If the Caldari get a sniping railboat it would make sense to change the Mega bonuses back to only effecting blasters... Of course the Gallente BS pilots would (rightly) be more than a bit upset.
I know CCP wants to release new stuff to "keep the game interesting" but the fact is that the only unique BS folks can agree on is the Caldari rail platform.
How about CCP does not introduce 3 out of place BS that either marganilize others or are marginal themselves, just so Caldari can get a railboat?
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Jalia Kovac
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Posted - 2006.03.20 22:45:00 -
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Originally by: Ikvar
Minmatar: Who the **** cares really? One that doesn't work too good probably.
Not the first time I've read this thread and I'm still laughing my **** off at that one.
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