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Ras Blumin	Posted - 2006.03.16 09:47:00 - [1] Originally by: Tux Assault Ships There is not going to be any drastic assault ship overhaul but there are some frigs we are going to give a slight boost to keep them inline with other assault ships. The ones we're giving a boost are Vengeance, Hawk and Jaguar. Again I remind you that this is nowhere near final. Vengeance - It has the damage output of a wet paper towel. Well not really but it still a bit odd that it doesn't have a single damage bonus. The cap recharge rate bonus has been replaced with small laser damage bonus. Hawk - Its going to be a missile assault ship. Its gettting 4 missile hardpoints, the launcher rate of fire bonus changed to a 5% kinetic missile damage and the hybrid optimal changed to either missile velocity or missile damage. As it is now both bonuses are damage. Jaguar - We've changed the projectile optimal range bonus to ship velocity, The Jaguar then becomes kind of a hybrid between an interceptor and an assault ships. It could also do with a tiny bit of cpu upgrade. Orginal Thread
Fogy	Posted - 2006.03.16 09:49:00 - [2] HAHA i might actually boter trying an other AF than the wolf now then.. lol newer even owned a caldari one yett.. with the 4 launcher hardpoints the HAWK actually gets usefull tbh! and the Jaguar.. speed bonus! :D im loving this one tbh!! Cheers! Fogy "From my rotting boddy flowers shall grow and I am in them, and that is eternity" ♥RUBRA♥
LUKEC	Posted - 2006.03.16 09:51:00 - [3] I predict vengeance will still be easiest AF to pwn with inty after this change. Jaguar will pwn, hawk will probably get nerfed as t2 kessi is overkill. Originally by: Commander Nikolas People like Lukec are the problem and they know it. Shin Ra's Raven has 4x WCS, Lukec's Dominix has 5x WCS & Ishtar has 2x WCS. Antipiracy is causing brain damage
Xanta	Posted - 2006.03.16 09:52:00 - [4] Originally by: Ras Blumin Originally by: Tux Jaguar - We've changed the projectile optimal range bonus to ship velocity, The Jaguar then becomes kind of a hybrid between an interceptor and an assault ships. It could also do with a tiny bit of cpu upgrade. Orginal Thread mini vaga?
Ras Blumin	Posted - 2006.03.16 09:52:00 - [5] Edited by: Ras Blumin on 16/03/2006 09:57:25 I think it's great that missile lovers finally will get their AF. Quote: Vengeance - It has the damage output of a wet paper towel. That might be true, but jag deals less raw dps atm, even with a 25% dmg bonus. Jag really needs a dmg boost as well imo. What about missing slots? Iirc, hawk, veng, jag and ishkur have one less slot than the others (but the ishkur has a nice drone bay, so it doesn't need an 11th slot imo). A dirty job - Released 2006.01.02
keepiru	Posted - 2006.03.16 09:53:00 - [6] Eh, not sure trading cap recharge for damage is going to make it a better ship. Youll have cap issues instead of damage issues. ---------------- Official ISD cake & bree reserve thief. Barricades a speciality! Last stands on request.
Celador Nane	Posted - 2006.03.16 09:54:00 - [7] Bah, the vengeance is still gonna suck... just not quite as much. Nice changes for the jag + hawk tho..
keepiru	Posted - 2006.03.16 09:54:00 - [8] Originally by: Xanta Originally by: Ras Blumin Originally by: Tux Jaguar - We've changed the projectile optimal range bonus to ship velocity, The Jaguar then becomes kind of a hybrid between an interceptor and an assault ships. It could also do with a tiny bit of cpu upgrade. Orginal Thread mini vaga? No, the vaga does good damage. ---------------- Official ISD cake & bree reserve thief. Barricades a speciality! Last stands on request.
Sarmaul	Posted - 2006.03.16 10:00:00 - [9] Originally by: keepiru Originally by: Xanta Originally by: Ras Blumin Originally by: Tux Jaguar - We've changed the projectile optimal range bonus to ship velocity, The Jaguar then becomes kind of a hybrid between an interceptor and an assault ships. It could also do with a tiny bit of cpu upgrade. Orginal Thread mini vaga? No, the vaga does good damage.

Tuxford	Posted - 2006.03.16 10:01:00 - [10] Originally by: Ras Blumin Quote: Vengeance - It has the damage output of a wet paper towel. That might be true, but jag deals less raw dps atm, even with a 25% dmg bonus. Jag really needs a dmg boost as well imo. Originally by: Tuxford Vengeance - It has the damage output of a wet paper towel. Well not really ... Originally by: Ras Blumin What about missing slots? Iirc, hawk, veng, jag and ishkur has one less slot than the others (but the ishkur gets a nice drone bay). That's true there is also the matter of "missing" bonuses. Tbh I don't think that assault ships need a boost in general just these ships so I can't see the bonuses doing anything other then mess up that balance. The missing slot is another issue though and I guess that its no coincedence that three of the ships we're looking at are the ones that are missing a slot. I'm not entirely sure that it's the missing slot that's the problem though I think it's the additional turret hardpoint. Retribution, Harpy and Jaguar aren't really gaining much slot wise Retribution gets a high slot but no weapon hardpoint, Harpy gains a high slot it can fit a missile launcher in and the Wolf as well. The Ishkur just gets a reletively huge dronebay. _______________

Sarmaul	Posted - 2006.03.16 10:05:00 - [11] Originally by: Tuxford I'm not entirely sure that it's the missing slot that's the problem though I think it's the additional turret hardpoint. when it comes to the jaguar, the missing (mid please) slot is definatly an issue.
Kldraina	Posted - 2006.03.16 10:07:00 - [12] Regarding the Hawk: While I do applaud the addition of a missile ship for assault ship pilots, the provision of 4 launcher hard points seems like a bit much given the base ships history, and Lai Dai's stated fondness for mixed weapon ships. Personally, I'd be more inclined to give it just 3 launcher hardpoints, and leave it more defense focused than offense focused (since it has both a resist bonus and a shield boost amount bonus).
Gariuys	Posted - 2006.03.16 10:07:00 - [13] Originally by: Sarmaul Originally by: Tuxford I'm not entirely sure that it's the missing slot that's the problem though I think it's the additional turret hardpoint. when it comes to the jaguar, the missing (mid please) slot is definatly an issue. It isn't missing a slot, it just has 1 less total then the wolf. Just like all 2nd AFs have 1 slot less. They're the funky/fun ship. The others are the powerhouse/race speciality ships. ~{When evil and strange get together anything is possible}~ A tool is only useless when you don't know how to use it. - ActiveX The grass is always greener on the other side. - JoCool
Jim McGregor	Posted - 2006.03.16 10:09:00 - [14] Very good changes. As usual you guys are great at keeping players informed. I wont get started on the quality of blizzard's player feedback since its so sad it doesnt deserve to be mentioned. --- "Automatic override. Manual control overridden by autopilot. Please wait for operation to complete. You can override the automatic autopilot override in 28 seconds. Then you can make it wait"
Sarmaul	Posted - 2006.03.16 10:13:00 - [15] btw, assuming the velocity bonus will be 5% per level, with assault ships 5 and nav 5 it will go 507m/s
Ras Blumin	Posted - 2006.03.16 10:13:00 - [16] Edited by: Ras Blumin on 16/03/2006 10:14:41 Originally by: Tux ... I was trying to say that both ships probably need a damage boost A dirty job - Released 2006.01.02

Tuxford	Posted - 2006.03.16 10:14:00 - [17] Originally by: Ras Blumin Edited by: Ras Blumin on 16/03/2006 10:13:48 Originally by: "Tux" ... I was trying to say that both ships probably need a damage boost Yeah I know the damage output of the Jaguar is pretty weak. _______________

Sarmaul	Posted - 2006.03.16 10:15:00 - [18] Originally by: Tuxford Originally by: Ras Blumin Edited by: Ras Blumin on 16/03/2006 10:13:48 Originally by: "Tux" ... I was trying to say that both ships probably need a damage boost Yeah I know the damage output of the Jaguar is pretty weak. +50% damage per level of minmatar frigate would sort that out
Sir Juri	Posted - 2006.03.16 10:17:00 - [19] Tux thanks a bunch for makin hawk a missile boat Im a noob, bear with me :P
Kldraina	Posted - 2006.03.16 10:17:00 - [20] Originally by: Tuxford Yeah I know the damage output of the Jaguar is pretty weak. You could give it a tiny drone bay. Probably not a very good idea, but it would fit with the way the bigger Minmatar ships often use everything (guns, missiles, and drones).

Tuxford	Posted - 2006.03.16 10:19:00 - [21] Originally by: Sarmaul Originally by: Tuxford Originally by: Ras Blumin Edited by: Ras Blumin on 16/03/2006 10:13:48 Originally by: "Tux" ... I was trying to say that both ships probably need a damage boost Yeah I know the damage output of the Jaguar is pretty weak. +50% damage per level of minmatar frigate would sort that out Should go well with a new retribution bonus. +1 med slot per level _______________

Sarmaul	Posted - 2006.03.16 10:19:00 - [22] hmm I'm beginning to fear what kind of tagteam a tackling ac jag and a long-range arti wolf is going to make...
Sarmaul	Posted - 2006.03.16 10:20:00 - [23] Originally by: Tuxford Originally by: Sarmaul Originally by: Tuxford Originally by: Ras Blumin Edited by: Ras Blumin on 16/03/2006 10:13:48 Originally by: "Tux" ... I was trying to say that both ships probably need a damage boost Yeah I know the damage output of the Jaguar is pretty weak. +50% damage per level of minmatar frigate would sort that out Should go well with a new retribution bonus. +1 med slot per level rofl
Halada	Posted - 2006.03.16 10:22:00 - [24] It's nice they're making thr Hawk a missile boat, I was really against going for a Harpy since I had absolutely no motivation to cross train missiles and gunnery. Now I can be a total missile w***e in a Hawk :D My ''All you want to know about mining'' Guide
Epsilon 1	Posted - 2006.03.16 10:24:00 - [25] Amarr AF: Vengeance: replace the cap rech bonus for a 5% dmg one. Retribution: Give it a 2nd med slot and delete the 5th utility one.
Sarmaul	Posted - 2006.03.16 10:30:00 - [26] Originally by: Epsilon 1 Retribution: Give it a 2nd med slot and delete the 5th utility one. and make it quite possibly the most overpowered solo af vs anything besides minmatar?
keepiru	Posted - 2006.03.16 10:32:00 - [27] Meh, it still wouldnt be able to fit beams worth a damn, or actually hold its target down. But it might be SOME use in pvp. ---------------- Official ISD cake & bree reserve thief. Barricades a speciality! Last stands on request.
LUKEC	Posted - 2006.03.16 10:38:00 - [28] Originally by: Sarmaul Originally by: Epsilon 1 Retribution: Give it a 2nd med slot and delete the 5th utility one. and make it quite possibly the most overpowered solo af vs anything besides minmatar? Well... there is no cpu to fit anything in 5. hi slot and there won't be enough cpu to fit anything in med slot. However Amarr is the 4tl race in frigs atm. Anathema is worst covertop vengeance worst AF, even with bonus change, i think i'll still happily kill them in any inty. maledicion & crusader are just average purifier... try to kill frig with plate retribution... would actually be good if ppl would not have chronical tendancy to align first and shoot later. Originally by: Commander Nikolas People like Lukec are the problem and they know it. Shin Ra's Raven has 4x WCS, Lukec's Dominix has 5x WCS & Ishtar has 2x WCS. Antipiracy is causing brain damage
Sarmaul	Posted - 2006.03.16 10:51:00 - [29] Originally by: Koori missile AF ftw! \o/ Great idea CCP. I believe you mean great idea Weirda
LUKEC	Posted - 2006.03.16 10:51:00 - [30] Originally by: Koori missile AF ftw! \o/ Great idea CCP. I sense another overpowered caldari ship. Originally by: Commander Nikolas People like Lukec are the problem and they know it. Shin Ra's Raven has 4x WCS, Lukec's Dominix has 5x WCS & Ishtar has 2x WCS. Antipiracy is causing brain damage

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