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R31D
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Posted - 2006.03.16 10:58:00 -
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Hawk's going to be so mean after these changes come into play. Also, with the Jaguar, it'd be much better if it were given a small speed increase and changed a low to a mid in my opinion but this change will work well too. I can't wait 
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Hugh Ruka
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Posted - 2006.03.16 11:14:00 -
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Hawk: +2 launcher hardpoints, leave rof bonus, change 10% optimal to 10% missile velocity
make sure the bonuses are valid also for rockets and harpy will drop in price :-)
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Nifel
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Posted - 2006.03.16 11:20:00 -
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Still no point in using a jaguar with these changes if it's still only will have 3 medslots.
Damage output too small and the medslots it does have are needed for the ever so vital mwd/scramble/web combo to even consider having some sort of tank on it. It's an inty with nicer resists but without the speed really :|. At least give us the ability to passive tank it a bit better.
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Nafri
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Posted - 2006.03.16 11:25:00 -
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I guess the Hawk will be the aussault frig of choice now. Extreme range, good damage, and nearly as good in killig support as the harpy.
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Demitris
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Posted - 2006.03.16 11:30:00 -
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This makes me so happy I can't see straight.
Any idea when these changes will come into effect.
(very glad I purchased a Hawk befor the inevitable price jump, in fact I might buy a few more)
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elFarto
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Posted - 2006.03.16 11:41:00 -
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Edited by: elFarto on 16/03/2006 11:41:21
 Originally by: Tuxford
Should go well with a new retribution bonus. +1 med slot per level 
You could just remove it's useless high slot and make it a mid slot.
You run out of grid/cpu to fit anything useful in the spare high-slot, but still have enough grid/cpu to squeeze a mid slot in.
Pretty please?
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Kuolematon
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Posted - 2006.03.16 11:50:00 -
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Originally by: Nifel
Still no point in using a jaguar with these changes if it's still only will have 3 medslots.
OMFG! Your right! I couldn't imagine AF with less than 3 medslots. What would you do if you would find out that there is someone with ONE midslot? And I mean this comes from someone who has lvl 5 amarr frigate and soon lvl5 assault ships.  
Unnerf Amarr!!
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Jin Entres
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Posted - 2006.03.16 11:51:00 -
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Missile assault ship is very nice, but I do have to ask why is the damage bonus kinetic again when missiles' forte is choosing the damage instead of doing a lot of it?
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Hellspawn01
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Posted - 2006.03.16 11:52:00 -
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Vengeance - It has the damage output of a wet paper towel. Well not really but it still a bit odd that it doesn't have a single damage bonus. The cap recharge rate bonus has been replaced with small laser damage bonus.
Stop nerfing Khanid ships. First the Sacrilege and now the Vengeance. The vengeance will turn into a 3-mid-slot-retribution if this change happens. STOP IT!!
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Nafri
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Posted - 2006.03.16 11:53:00 -
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Originally by: Kuolematon
Originally by: Nifel
Still no point in using a jaguar with these changes if it's still only will have 3 medslots.
OMFG! Your right! I couldn't imagine AF with less than 3 medslots. What would you do if you would find out that there is someone with ONE midslot? And I mean this comes from someone who has lvl 5 amarr frigate and soon lvl5 assault ships.
omg, maybe the retri is an armor tanker, and the jaguar a shield tanker?1
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Deja Thoris
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Posted - 2006.03.16 11:57:00 -
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Originally by: Hellspawn01
To Tuxford: I HATE YOU
You do realise only teenagers and older can play this game right?
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Kel Dario
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Posted - 2006.03.16 12:28:00 -
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Nice change to the HAWK. The Gallente will not be the only race with 2 good AF's after this
As for the Vengance and Jaguar, I'm not certain it will make much off a difference but hey what do I know... The slight CPU increase for the jag is good tough.
And the ship you forgot about, the Retribution, still desparetly need a second mid-slott 
Kel
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Hellspawn01
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Posted - 2006.03.16 13:29:00 -
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Originally by: Deja Thoris
Originally by: Hellspawn01
To Tuxford: I HATE YOU
You do realise only teenagers and older can play this game right?
What do you mean with that?
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Alex Harumichi
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Posted - 2006.03.16 14:04:00 -
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I'm not 100% convinced that the Vengeance will still be good enough after this, but it's a step in the right direction -- and the other changes are wonderful. Yes, Hawk and Jaguar will become mean ships. I have no problem with that, I fly Gallente and we have 2 great AFs, I see no reason to deny other races that joy.
Can't wait to try these out.
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LCIceo
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Posted - 2006.03.16 14:24:00 -
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Cant wait fly a hawk now. :D...
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Sarmaul
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Posted - 2006.03.16 14:31:00 -
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Originally by: Hellspawn01
Originally by: Deja Thoris
Originally by: Hellspawn01
To Tuxford: I HATE YOU
You do realise only teenagers and older can play this game right?
What do you mean with that?
Deja is attempting to act mature to counter you acting immaturely
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Wizzkidy
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Posted - 2006.03.16 14:36:00 -
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I use the vengance sometimes and I have to agree with Tux that it's damage output could be alot better.
If only it was given one extra low slot it could really be a nice little assult frig. At the moment it must be the least used AF in the game.
I find it hard to fit it out decently and I normally end up with a tank and of course that means a crappy setup on the damage.
It's a good tackler though if you get people in range as it is
Any changes to the vengence is a good change and I will leave tux down to his changes and be happy what ever the out come.
That is all
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James Lyrus
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Posted - 2006.03.16 14:38:00 -
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I shall be buying some hawks.
I like harpies well enough, but am definitely a missile spammer rather than a gun monkey.
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Posted - 2006.03.16 14:53:00 -
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Ahh no reply from Hanns yet hehe. Wonder if he saw the Hawk is going to be the missile boat =)
Jaguar - On the changes for Jags, I do like them. The ship itself really isn't to big of a deal for damage output. I mean we do have the wolf and the jag was always a more tanked tackler. I still used it and it was never one of those ships I hated to use. The speed bonus will make it more usable for me. I will get much enjoyment out of the Jaguar in 0.0 space when trying to catch indys. Thanks CCP
Hawk - Making this a missile boat was very much needed. Think it should get the 5% to kinetic and velocity missile damage. On that note, I think it's sensor strengths should be lowered. It's extreamly high for it's class.
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j0sephine
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Posted - 2006.03.16 15:03:00 -
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Edited by: j0sephine on 16/03/2006 15:04:22
"I guess the Hawk will be the aussault frig of choice now. Extreme range, good damage, and nearly as good in killig support as the harpy."
If she keeps currently planned bonus set (10% to kinetic damage, 5% to other damage types) then maxed out range will be ~40 km with light missiles... Harpy still eats that for breakfast.
A very nice ship by all means, but perhaps not quite something to get up in arms about, yet ^^;
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Hoshi
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Posted - 2006.03.16 18:23:00 -
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Maybe switch the shield boost bonus for a shield resist like most other caldari ships have gotten, think the hawk is the only one left with a shield boost bonus now. Or would that make it too overpowered?
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j0sephine
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Posted - 2006.03.16 18:37:00 -
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Edited by: j0sephine on 16/03/2006 18:37:46
"Maybe switch the shield boost bonus for a shield resist like most other caldari ships have gotten, think the hawk is the only one left with a shield boost bonus now. Or would that make it too overpowered?"
Well, if Hawk was to resemble the other Caldari missile ships, then the shield boost bonus should be removed completely (since shield resistance bonus is something the railgun boats get -- Merlin, Moa, Eagle, Ferox) ... the missile ships get the velocity/flight time bonus to missiles, but that'd probably make Hawk quite a bit too much o.O;
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keepiru
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Posted - 2006.03.16 18:39:00 -
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Would be funny tho - mini cerb ^^"
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Cade Morrigan
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Posted - 2006.03.16 19:07:00 -
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Edited by: Cade Morrigan on 16/03/2006 19:22:00
Hawk prices just quadrupled* in The Forge. 23-26mil each now. I'm glad i've had mine in the garage for the past 4 months.
*Edit: so my math sucks, prices are about 2.5x what they were :P
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Necrologic
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Posted - 2006.03.16 19:15:00 -
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Tux, the vengeance is going to need a bit more. It needs that damage bonus but it also desperatly needs the cap recharge one which was its only saving grace before. I'd replace the op range bonus instead of cap recharge since it does not have the grid to fit beams anyway. The other thing that kills the vengeance is it's terrible mass and speed. Please reduce it's mass and increase speed. Not by alot, but by a noticeable amount. Right now punisher with 1mn ab 2 goes 700-800m/s with decent nav skills. Vengeance hardly breaks 500. I know it's an af and they are heavier, but it is the easiest one to hit right now afaik. Also there's the issue of the slots. If it gets another one it should be a med slot because if it's a low it will just turn into a weaker version of the retribution. It would be much more interesting to have it be able to pack some tricks and surprises.
Even with what i just suggested i think it would still be the weakest af.
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Hakera
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Posted - 2006.03.16 19:23:00 -
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best thing any of the af's could get is for ceptors to have one bonus switched to a ew bonus. AF's to me will always live in the shadow of ceptors under given game mechanics imo.
as for af's, well jag is looking to be turned into a ac based setup, fair enough, kinda makes sense, hawk will simply be awesome, vengeance gets a deserved boost.
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Draximus Prime
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Posted - 2006.03.16 19:34:00 -
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For the love of all things Amarr give the Retribution a 2nd Medslot.
Retribution can either web ... and have target warp away...
Retribution can either warp scramble ... and have target speed away...
Retribution can either have a speed boost module and have target warp away // go too fast to hit.
Its pretty useless ship.
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Necrologic
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Posted - 2006.03.16 19:35:00 -
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Originally by: Draximus Prime
For the love of all things Amarr give the Retribution a 2nd Medslot.
Retribution can either web ... and have target warp away...
Retribution can either warp scramble ... and have target speed away...
Retribution can either have a speed boost module and have target warp away // go too fast to hit.
Its pretty useless ship.
As was said before, to balance a second medslot it would need to be nerf batted somewhere else otherwise it will just pwn everything. The one medslot is annoying, but it only really stops it from soloing. I have made fantastic use of it in gangs.
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loosejuice
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Posted - 2006.03.16 19:51:00 -
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Originally by: LUKEC
Originally by: Sarmaul
Originally by: Epsilon 1
Retribution: Give it a 2nd med slot and delete the 5th utility one.
and make it quite possibly the most overpowered solo af vs anything besides minmatar?
Well... there is no cpu to fit anything in 5. hi slot and there won't be enough cpu to fit anything in med slot.
However Amarr is the 4tl race in frigs atm.
Anathema is worst covertop
vengeance worst AF, even with bonus change, i think i'll still happily kill them in any inty.
maledicion & crusader are just average
purifier... try to kill frig with plate
retribution... would actually be good if ppl would not have chronical tendancy to align first and shoot later.
LUKEC no offense m8 but what are u smoking???
I loveeeeeeeeeeeeeee the vengeance, getting a damage bonus is making me go all fuzzy.
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Maya Rkell
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Posted - 2006.03.16 19:53:00 -
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Remarkably sensible changes.
Necrologic, or for PvE.
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