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Egravant Alduin
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Posted - 2014.01.04 18:47:00 -
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I have said it and I will say it once more.I went to try factional warfare since I was told only in factional warfare I can find good PVP (player vs player and not players vs player) combats.Well at first 3 fights I was excited since I had great one vs one battles even if i lost.After that ,20 combats followed and all were ganging ganging and more ganging.
So in my 20 fights only 3 were one vs one we are talking for a pathetic 10-15%.
Why not gates in factional warfare don t let one ship from each faction to pass only once so they could fight each other?This would make 1 vs 1 real PVP possible.
Why not systems that would allow certain numbers of ships can t be created?
Compared to lineage 2 or other MMOs this is the worst PVP game I have ever tried end really regretting paying for it in first months.
It s current PVP system only allows ganging and nothing more. |

Felsusguy
Aliastra Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2014.01.04 18:51:00 -
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What is this? "The PVP isn't good because there's not enough solo". Seriously? How droll. |

Egravant Alduin
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2014.01.04 18:54:00 -
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Felsusguy wrote:What is this? "The PVP isn't good because there's not enough solo". Seriously?
No it isn't.PVP means player vs player and this game doesn 't have it at all.Try other games to see what real PVP means and how fun it is. |

Kaerakh
Obscure Joke Implied Kiki's Delivery Service.
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Posted - 2014.01.04 18:58:00 -
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Felsusguy wrote:What is this? "The PVP isn't good because there's not enough solo". Seriously?
That's pretty much what I read.
Edit: Which is inherently false to begin with. Samurai revenge videos are an excellent illustration. |

Felsusguy
Aliastra Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2014.01.04 19:00:00 -
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Egravant Alduin wrote:PVP means player vs player and this game doesn 't have it at all. HAHAHAHAHA.
Good one. At first I thought you were serious, but now I know you're just messing with us.  How droll. |

Egravant Alduin
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2014.01.04 19:12:00 -
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So I am the only one who have tried other PVP games and have seen epic one vs one fights like other games have.If that s the truth then I apologize .But people who have tried other games please telle me if i m so wrong about one vs one fights in this game. |

Paranoid Loyd
University of Caille Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2014.01.04 19:17:00 -
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Egravant Alduin wrote:So I am the only one who have tried other PVP games and have seen epic one vs one fights like other games have.If that s the truth then I apologize .But people who have tried other games please telle me if i m so wrong about one vs one fights in this game.
This is EVE, not other games. |

Felsusguy
Aliastra Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2014.01.04 19:17:00 -
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Egravant Alduin wrote:So I am the only one who have tried other PVP games and have seen epic one vs one fights like other games have.If that s the truth then I apologize .But people who have tried other games please telle me if i m so wrong about one vs one fights in this game. 1. Didn't you already say that solo PVP fights were good in this game, but that they were hard to find? 2. EVE is the only game I've ever seen with epic fleet battles. That's it thing. Not solo PVP. How droll. |

Danika Princip
Freelance Economics Astrological resources Tactical Narcotics Team
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Posted - 2014.01.04 19:18:00 -
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ANY system you bring in to try and reward or encourage solo play can and will be abused to hell and back by virtually every EVE player. Just so you know. |

Kaerakh
Obscure Joke Implied Kiki's Delivery Service.
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Posted - 2014.01.04 19:19:00 -
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Egravant Alduin wrote:So I am the only one who have tried other PVP games and have seen epic one vs one fights like other games have.If that s the truth then I apologize .But people who have tried other games please telle me if i m so wrong about one vs one fights in this game.
Get back to us after watching some of these.  http://www.youtube.com/user/Guadossss/videos |

Felsusguy
Aliastra Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2014.01.04 19:21:00 -
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Danika Princip wrote:ANY system you bring in to try and reward or encourage solo play can and will be abused to hell and back by virtually every EVE player. Just so you know. Danika is correct, Mr. "Alduin".
For example, take your idea. Only one ship can jump through a stargate at a time? That might discourage roaming fleets, but it will greatly increase the number of gate camping fleets, and those are worse. How droll. |

Danika Princip
Freelance Economics Astrological resources Tactical Narcotics Team
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Posted - 2014.01.04 19:24:00 -
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Felsusguy wrote:Danika Princip wrote:ANY system you bring in to try and reward or encourage solo play can and will be abused to hell and back by virtually every EVE player. Just so you know. Danika is correct, Mr. "Alduin". For example, take your idea... Egravant Alduin wrote:Why not gates in factional warfare don t let one ship from each faction to pass only once so they could fight each other?This would make 1 vs 1 real PVP possible. Only one ship can jump through a stargate at a time? That might discourage roaming fleets, but it will greatly increase the number of gate camping fleets, and those are worse.
I'm fairly sure he means the acceleration gates on the complex things, which would mean that I send in my alt in the opposing faction, thus locking out anyone hunting me, and get my LP with absolutely nothing even resembling a risk. |

Felsusguy
Aliastra Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2014.01.04 19:27:00 -
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Danika Princip wrote:I'm fairly sure he means the acceleration gates. Non-specific terms strike again! Though that is worse.
Egravant Alduin wrote:Why not systems that would allow certain numbers of ships can t be created? I have no idea what this is supposed to mean, but if I try to take it literally I might lose my sanity. How droll. |

FT Diomedes
The Graduates RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2014.01.04 19:40:00 -
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Danika Princip wrote:Felsusguy wrote:Danika Princip wrote:ANY system you bring in to try and reward or encourage solo play can and will be abused to hell and back by virtually every EVE player. Just so you know. Danika is correct, Mr. "Alduin". For example, take your idea... Egravant Alduin wrote:Why not gates in factional warfare don t let one ship from each faction to pass only once so they could fight each other?This would make 1 vs 1 real PVP possible. Only one ship can jump through a stargate at a time? That might discourage roaming fleets, but it will greatly increase the number of gate camping fleets, and those are worse. I'm fairly sure he means the acceleration gates on the complex things, which would mean that I send in my alt in the opposing faction, thus locking out anyone hunting me, and get my LP with absolutely nothing even resembling a risk.
Yes, this is what he was asking for and you are spot on as to how it would actually be abused. |

Egravant Alduin
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2014.01.04 19:40:00 -
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Kaerakh wrote:Egravant Alduin wrote:So I am the only one who have tried other PVP games and have seen epic one vs one fights like other games have.If that s the truth then I apologize .But people who have tried other games please telle me if i m so wrong about one vs one fights in this game. Get back to us after watching some of these. http://www.youtube.com/user/Guadossss/videos
Yes he is great but still where is the one vs one fights? |

Sal Landry
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
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Posted - 2014.01.04 19:42:00 -
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Felsusguy wrote: I have no idea what this is supposed to mean, but if I try to take it literally I might lose my sanity.
He wants instanced pvp arena systems that only allow the same number of ships to face off against each other in honourable internet spaceship duels.
lol |

Dolorous Tremmens
The Scope Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2014.01.04 19:48:00 -
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fair fights? equal grounds? honour? This is EVE. People really need to start doing their research
Get some Eve. Make it yours.
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Kaerakh
Obscure Joke Implied Kiki's Delivery Service.
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Posted - 2014.01.04 19:54:00 -
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Egravant Alduin wrote:Kaerakh wrote:Egravant Alduin wrote:So I am the only one who have tried other PVP games and have seen epic one vs one fights like other games have.If that s the truth then I apologize .But people who have tried other games please telle me if i m so wrong about one vs one fights in this game. Get back to us after watching some of these. http://www.youtube.com/user/Guadossss/videos Yes he is great but still where is the one vs one fights?
I'm sorry, but that has to be the worst come back I've ever seen. lol I just showed you a series of videos where this guy takes on, by himself more often than not, upwards of 3-5 people at a time(and wins) and your comeback to say EVE pvp is terrible is the say where are the 1v1 fights? I just gave you hard evidence of how amazing EVE pvp is and that there is no one size fits all solution in EVE combat. |

Egravant Alduin
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2014.01.04 20:00:00 -
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Danika Princip wrote:ANY system you bring in to try and reward or encourage solo play can and will be abused to hell and back by virtually every EVE player. Just so you know.
No it will encourage skilled players to show their potential.Like a fight club or something like that .1 vs 1 .The best holds and wins against many opponents(not at the same time,one vs one) |

Egravant Alduin
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2014.01.04 20:01:00 -
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Kaerakh wrote:Egravant Alduin wrote:Kaerakh wrote:Egravant Alduin wrote:So I am the only one who have tried other PVP games and have seen epic one vs one fights like other games have.If that s the truth then I apologize .But people who have tried other games please telle me if i m so wrong about one vs one fights in this game. Get back to us after watching some of these. http://www.youtube.com/user/Guadossss/videos Yes he is great but still where is the one vs one fights? I'm sorry, but that has to be the worst come back I've ever seen. lol I just showed you a series of videos where this guy takes on, by himself more often than not, upwards of 3-5 people at a time(and wins) and your comeback to say EVE pvp is terrible is the say where are the 1v1 fights? I just gave you hard evidence of how amazing EVE pvp is and that there is no one size fits all solution in EVE combat.
Lool again the videos.In 80% of the videos was fleeted and other people were helping him.He is not showing them in overview settings.But still a great pilot to deal with so many people when he was alone i admit that. |

FT Diomedes
The Graduates RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2014.01.04 20:01:00 -
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Egravant Alduin wrote:I went to try factional warfare since I was told only in factional warfare I can find good PVP (player vs player and not players vs player) combats.
This was your first mistake - thinking that Factional Warfare was the only place you can find good PVP. For the record, I almost never found good PVP in FW (yes, I did it several years ago, so perhaps things have changed). FW is where alts go to farm ISK.
Eve is an MMO, in case someone forgot to tell you that. It pays to cooperate with others, not to be a solo player. That is not to say that you cannot find solo PVP opportunities - you just have to look for other honorable space samurai or put other people in a position where they have to fight you.
I find occasional solo PVP opportunities in 0.0 - and not just ganks - usually in interceptors or other small ships. Most of my current solo PVP currently consists of solo roaming and looking for targets I can take down before the cavalry can arrive. Before you look at my killboard and scream "No solo kills!" please bear in mind that this is one of about 6 characters I use for PVP.
Before I joined RAZOR, I used to find good solo PVP in certain 0.0 entry systems - there it was usually a matter of enticing fast tackle off a gate camp to engage me and killing them before their friends could arrive. Additionally, there are quite a few people out there who will honor 1v1's.
Eve is also a game about reputation. If you develop a reputation as someone who is truly solo, people will be more likely to duel with you (not all). You just have to learn who honors 1v1's and who doesn't. |

FT Diomedes
The Graduates RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2014.01.04 20:02:00 -
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Sal Landry wrote:Felsusguy wrote: I have no idea what this is supposed to mean, but if I try to take it literally I might lose my sanity.
He wants instanced pvp arena systems that only allow the same number of ships to face off against each other in honourable internet spaceship duels. lol
Yes, I think he missed the point of the sandbox.
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Egravant Alduin
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2014.01.04 20:08:00 -
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FT Diomedes wrote:Egravant Alduin wrote:I went to try factional warfare since I was told only in factional warfare I can find good PVP (player vs player and not players vs player) combats. This was your first mistake - thinking that Factional Warfare was the only place you can find good PVP. For the record, I almost never found good PVP in FW (yes, I did it several years ago, so perhaps things have changed). FW is where alts go to farm ISK. Eve is an MMO, in case someone forgot to tell you that. It pays to cooperate with others, not to be a solo player. That is not to say that you cannot find solo PVP opportunities - you just have to look for other honorable space samurai or put other people in a position where they have to fight you. I find occasional solo PVP opportunities in 0.0 - and not just ganks - usually in interceptors or other small ships. Most of my current solo PVP currently consists of solo roaming and looking for targets I can take down before the cavalry can arrive. Before you look at my killboard and scream "No solo kills!" please bear in mind that this is one of about 6 characters I use for PVP. Before I joined RAZOR, I used to find good solo PVP in certain 0.0 entry systems - there it was usually a matter of enticing fast tackle off a gate camp to engage me and killing them before their friends could arrive. Additionally, there are quite a few people out there who will honor 1v1's. Eve is also a game about reputation. If you develop a reputation as someone who is truly solo, people will be more likely to duel with you (not all). You just have to learn who honors 1v1's and who doesn't.
You speak nicely and respectively. The thing is I have played almost all good MMOs and many of them had better PVP than this.Runes of magic in PVP server(epic one vs one ),AION (also nice one vs one and you could fly) , Lineage 2 (simple the king), WOW (very nice but nt for my tastes),fallen earth (kill and survive).I am saying that this game doesn t represents what everyones is saying in forums magazines sites etc.No it s not a PVP game it s just a god sci fi MMO. |

Egravant Alduin
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2014.01.04 20:09:00 -
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FT Diomedes wrote:Sal Landry wrote:Felsusguy wrote: I have no idea what this is supposed to mean, but if I try to take it literally I might lose my sanity.
He wants instanced pvp arena systems that only allow the same number of ships to face off against each other in honourable internet spaceship duels. lol Yes, I think he missed the point of the sandbox.
I played age of wushu which is sandbox base and had great PVP. If it had more understanding market I would still play it. |

Danika Princip
Freelance Economics Astrological resources Tactical Narcotics Team
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Posted - 2014.01.04 20:16:00 -
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Egravant Alduin wrote:Danika Princip wrote:ANY system you bring in to try and reward or encourage solo play can and will be abused to hell and back by virtually every EVE player. Just so you know. No it will encourage skilled players to show their potential.Like a fight club or something like that .1 vs 1 .The best holds and wins against many opponents(not at the same time,one vs one)
...No, if there is any kind of a reward for it, such as the LP you get for FW complexes, we can and will abuse the hell out of the mechanic. This is EVE, it's kind of what people DO. |

Egravant Alduin
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2014.01.04 20:45:00 -
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Danika Princip wrote:Egravant Alduin wrote:Danika Princip wrote:ANY system you bring in to try and reward or encourage solo play can and will be abused to hell and back by virtually every EVE player. Just so you know. No it will encourage skilled players to show their potential.Like a fight club or something like that .1 vs 1 .The best holds and wins against many opponents(not at the same time,one vs one) ...No, if there is any kind of a reward for it, such as the LP you get for FW complexes, we can and will abuse the hell out of the mechanic. This is EVE, it's kind of what people DO.
They can limit the times which you can get LPS from same plex.So you travel travel again and find new fights. |

Tchulen
Trumpets and Bookmarks The Volition Cult
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Posted - 2014.01.04 21:13:00 -
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Egravant Alduin wrote:...No it s not a PVP game it s just a god sci fi MMO.
I've read repeated arguments on these forums that state that EVE is entirely PVP, that all aspects of the game in one way or another constitute PVP.
I disagree with that for several reasons which I won't repeat here but the arguments for are compelling.
However, I've also played many MMO PVP games and I've quit all of them except EVE purely because EVE has the best PVP of any game I've played. I don't play solo though. That's the thing with EVE. Whilst you can play solo the PVP side is best played in groups.
If EVE PVP isn't for you don't worry. There are many other PVP games out there as you've stated. One of those might be more to your tastes if you don't want to adapt. After all, in EVE, you adapt or you die.
I started trying to force 1v1 fights and I died a lot. I then adapted and now have a lot of fun doing PVP. I'm not particularly good at it yet but I have been having a lot of fun improving.
My advice is give it a go with more than just one of you and then decide if that changes your view. If it doesn't, just move onto a game that does do it for you. EVE isn't for everybody.
Good luck in your hunt for your type of PVP. |

Egravant Alduin
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2014.01.04 21:21:00 -
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Tchulen wrote:Egravant Alduin wrote:...No it s not a PVP game it s just a god sci fi MMO. I've read repeated arguments on these forums that state that EVE is entirely PVP, that all aspects of the game in one way or another constitute PVP. I disagree with that for several reasons which I won't repeat here but the arguments for are compelling. However, I've also played many MMO PVP games and I've quit all of them except EVE purely because EVE has the best PVP of any game I've played. I don't play solo though. That's the thing with EVE. Whilst you can play solo the PVP side is best played in groups. If EVE PVP isn't for you don't worry. There are many other PVP games out there as you've stated. One of those might be more to your tastes if you don't want to adapt. After all, in EVE, you adapt or you die. I started trying to force 1v1 fights and I died a lot. I then adapted and now have a lot of fun doing PVP. I'm not particularly good at it yet but I have been having a lot of fun improving. My advice is give it a go with more than just one of you and then decide if that changes your view. If it doesn't, just move onto a game that does do it for you. EVE isn't for everybody. Good luck in your hunt for your type of PVP.
Great point and answer but the thing is since you have played other games as you say that other games have 1 vs 1 and group fights.In my one year of eve i have almost never fought 1 vs 1 .A good PVP game is a game that has 1 vs 1 and group fights.Then it can advertise as a good PVP game.
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Danika Princip
Freelance Economics Astrological resources Tactical Narcotics Team
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Posted - 2014.01.04 21:40:00 -
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Egravant Alduin wrote:
They can limit the times which you can get LPS from same plex.So you travel travel again and find new fights.
Well, since the PLEX despawns when you run the button down (Doesn't it?), you'd have to move on anyway.
And really, moving two alts one system over is your ENTIRE counter to LP farming? |

Tchulen
Trumpets and Bookmarks The Volition Cult
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Posted - 2014.01.04 22:00:00 -
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Egravant Alduin wrote:Great point and answer but the thing is since you have played other games as you say that other games have 1 vs 1 and group fights.In my one year of eve i have almost never fought 1 vs 1 .A good PVP game is a game that has 1 vs 1 and group fights.Then it can advertise as a good PVP game.
You're stating that assertion as though it were fact when it is actually merely your opinion.
A good PVP game is a game that has good PVP, by definition. EVE has, in my opinion, the best PVP of any game I've played and therefore for me (and most people that play EVE PVP) it is a good PVP game.
What it isn't is a PVP game that holds your hand by imposing rigorous rules to protect what you would suppose to be fairness.
That is really what you're saying, I think. You seem to be saying saying that because it doesn't enforce the PVP rules you would like to have it isn't a good PVP game but you're couching it as though your view of what the rules should be is the same as everyone else's which, just from this thread alone, you can see isn't the case.
I do have a suggestion for you, however. Use the dueling system in order to get fair(ish) 1v1 fights in highsec. If you can't find people who'll accept your duels you can join a corporation that specialises in pvp and duel your corp mates to your heart's content.
This is a form of adapting. You can get the PVP you're asking for in EVE. You just need to look a little harder and put some effort in. Obviously, if you don't like the idea of putting effort into finding duels EVE probably isn't the game for you. Pretty much everything in EVE requires at least some effort. |
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