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Trading Jones
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Posted - 2003.09.09 21:40:00 -
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Probably will be removed - but posting anyway:
Just wonder if I'm the only one that believes ppl using mining drones to lag you out when you're entering a new system (after jump) are exploiters?
For me - it sounds like an obvious exploit. But according to one of the Polaris members - who asked the GMs - it currently (for some reason I fail to see) isn't considered an exploit.
So - how're you all looking at this matter? Exploit or not exploit?
Quote from Eve's Q&A:
"2) An exploit is when someone takes advantage of a bypass in normal game mechanics, allowing him to take advantage of you without you having any means of preventing it whatsoever. "
Quote 2 from Eve's Q&A:
"Pray tell, what is an exploit then?
An exploit is when someone deliberately bypasses the normal game mechanics, by utilizing a bug, a weakness in the system or any other possible loophole in order to personally gain from it, and/or by intentionally use said means to take advantage of other players"
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Joshua Calvert
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Posted - 2003.09.09 21:41:00 -
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Where's that post by Polaris?
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Stavros
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Posted - 2003.09.09 21:41:00 -
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you're not the only one to believe it, just the only one annoying enough to post a poll about it.
lets wait for ome word from the devs or something eh?
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Vidar Kentoran
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Posted - 2003.09.09 21:43:00 -
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Why aren't you glad they're using mining drones? They could be using combat drones instead and causing just as much lag _PLUS_ doing significant additional damage.
Sounds to me like you should be thankful you only have the lag to deal with.
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Akunosh Ryo
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Posted - 2003.09.09 21:49:00 -
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Ok, so if I'm understanding this right then your saying that if I use my mining drones to mine in a system and they create lag for those entering the system, that I'm using an exploit? Tho I could be wrong, a little on the tired side.
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Joshua Calvert
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Posted - 2003.09.09 21:50:00 -
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Ok, so if I'm understanding this right then your saying that if I use my mining drones to mine in a system and they create lag for those entering the system, that I'm using an exploit? Tho I could be wrong, a little on the tired side.
Nah, they mean that using drones to create lag at the jump-in point (after jumping through a jumpgate) to lag you and increase the time it takes to load the system and objects.
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Kennian
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Posted - 2003.09.09 21:50:00 -
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a bit shady maybe, very underhanded...but you cant scream exploit because they launched drones. kinda amuseing becuase the pirates were to stupid to bring ogres or wasps...
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Akunosh Ryo
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Posted - 2003.09.09 21:55:00 -
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Hmm, thanks for clearing that up Joshua Calvert.
I don't believe it's an exploit, just a new version of the can lag. (That wasn't an exploit was it?)
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Lola
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Posted - 2003.09.09 21:56:00 -
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Ok, so if I'm understanding this right then your saying that if I use my mining drones to mine in a system and they create lag for those entering the system, that I'm using an exploit? Tho I could be wrong, a little on the tired side.
Akunosh, you are confused. He's saying if he went through a jump gate. Then on the other side of the jump gate deployed mining drones and just sat there in space waiting for someone to come though in the hopes that your drones would cause them extra lag. It's a really silly thing to cry about since combat drones can cause damage and they won't be considered an exploit.
I've heard of people sitting on the other side of jump in points refered to as pouncers. I kinda like that term. I'm not sure if it's from any official storyline but it's a great description. Sounds much better than "Jump in point camper".
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Joshua Calvert
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Posted - 2003.09.09 21:59:00 -
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Lola,
The pouncers thing IS a good tactic apart from the fact those "guys" knew it would cause severe lag and leave the victims unable to respond and have no recourse to avoid the situation.
"An exploit is when someone takes advantage of a bypass in normal game mechanics, allowing him to take advantage of you without you having any means of preventing it whatsoever."
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Xanif
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Posted - 2003.09.09 21:59:00 -
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I couldn't understand what use mining drones could POSSIBLY have in combat. So I did some digging.
A spoonful of digging.
I.E. I read the mining drone stats.
The do explosive damage. They are viable for fighting...
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Joshua Calvert
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Posted - 2003.09.09 22:02:00 -
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I couldn't understand what use mining drones could POSSIBLY have in combat. So I did some digging.
A spoonful of digging.
I.E. I read the mining drone stats.
The do explosive damage. They are viable for fighting...
Riiiiight. Let's see you make a mining drone attack something other than a rock then.
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Xanif
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Posted - 2003.09.09 22:03:00 -
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I havn't used them, but if they have 2 explosive damage, I assume they can fight.
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Joshua Calvert
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Posted - 2003.09.09 22:05:00 -
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Xanif,
Go use them and reconsider.
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Mr nStuff
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Posted - 2003.09.09 22:06:00 -
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The lag is on your end.. Reboot the client before jumping to a system where 50 drones might be waiting. 
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Multi
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Posted - 2003.09.09 22:06:00 -
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it is a exploit because they are exploiting how it creates lag when jumping in on that point
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Mr nStuff
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Posted - 2003.09.09 22:08:00 -
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yes your right.. lets just get rid of drones.
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Hematic
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Posted - 2003.09.09 22:09:00 -
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Had they been combat drones I would say no exploit.
But the fact someone launched mining drones goes to show what the intention behind their deployment was exploitive.
Pretty simple actually. Exploit to a certain degree has to do with intent. Someone launching combat drones has a dual purpose lag + extra fire power. Somone launching miners has a single purpose, lag.
So anyone intentionally creating lag for the sole purpose of lag, could be said to be an exploiter.
Doesn't really matter how they do it, laying cans around a jump gate etc...
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Yggdrassil
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Posted - 2003.09.09 22:09:00 -
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Joshua: The complete article is found if you go to support, type in "exploit" and select the third article.
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Lola
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Posted - 2003.09.09 22:10:00 -
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Lola,
The pouncers thing IS a good tactic apart from the fact those "guys" knew it would cause severe lag and leave the victims unable to respond and have no recourse to avoid the situation.
"An exploit is when someone takes advantage of a bypass in normal game mechanics, allowing him to take advantage of you without you having any means of preventing it whatsoever."
The problem with lag is that any large force will cause it. So what are players to do? Not having big battles isn't an answer. I guess the no recourse you speak of is the fact you can't see who's in the next system possibly ready to pounce. With some good scanner work and a look on local you can be relatively aware of who might be on the other side of your next warp.
Maybe at some point in the future CCP could add a feature that would let players read the local(player) list in the system to which the jump gate they are at is jumping. Maybe make it a skill/module thing. It could work great for bounty hunters and blockade runners. I just thought of that so please no flames.
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Joshua Calvert
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Posted - 2003.09.09 22:11:00 -
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The lag is on your end.. Reboot the client before jumping to a system where 50 drones might be waiting.
Do you even know what you're talking about?
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Joshua Calvert
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Posted - 2003.09.09 22:12:00 -
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Joshua: The complete article is found if you go to support, type in "exploit" and select the third article.
I thought he meant that Polaris had issued some kind of definitive decision on one of the threads.
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Joshua Calvert
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Posted - 2003.09.09 22:13:00 -
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Lola,
Like Hematic says, it's all about intent.
We cannot help creating lag when engaging in large scale battles but the fact they were using mining drones brings their intent into question.
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Jorev
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Posted - 2003.09.09 22:14:00 -
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You're right, everyone should reboot their client before jumping into a system, each and every time, since the lag is on our end.
/sarcasm off
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Mr nStuff
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Posted - 2003.09.09 22:14:00 -
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Just make random jump-in points. Atleast until CCP figures out how to stop the client side lag issues.
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Mr nStuff
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Posted - 2003.09.09 22:16:00 -
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Do you even know what you're talking about?
Yes I know what i'm talking about.. Do you? Do you even know why you asked me if I know what I'm talking about? Well do you? 
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Darketh Nightspawn
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Posted - 2003.09.09 22:17:00 -
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It's an exploit. The only lamers to defend this (and just about lal otherexploits that they benefit from) are the very small minority of Buy Scouts who like camping.
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Veruna Caseti
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Posted - 2003.09.09 22:18:00 -
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I think it's pretty underhanded, but unfortunately it doesn't matter what we think.
Until CCP/Polaris has anything to say or do about it, we might as well be discussing applie pie recipes.
Veruna Caseti
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Drutort
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Posted - 2003.09.09 22:23:00 -
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Edited by: Drutort on 09/09/2003 22:28:13
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Why aren't you glad they're using mining drones? They could be using combat drones instead and causing just as much lag _PLUS_ doing significant additional damage.
Sounds to me like you should be thankful you only have the lag to deal with.
you fail to see that cheap mining drones take less space then other drones? thus you can hold more of them?
another reason would be to have those drones because they dont attack like combat drones thust hey just tay there.... as right now if you fire your guns your drones will go and attack that target... and you would probably lose them etc...
the hole point is cheap more of and to cause lag and not to care about dmg because if they cared they would use scouts or whatever...
nobody would probably say jump in points would be exploits if you had your ship loaded and could combat..
but you neither get the 10 sec and you dont get to have any modals on and you have no clue who is in local...
thus making your chance to even see who blew you up zip and chance to escape 0 as well
i mean dont you like those odds? you get to take out someone before they can even open fire and before they can even hit warp..
you dont even need a warp scram or a web none of those just hook your self up for fast lock and muchoo dmg!! and U R WINER and other is auto loser LOL
you damn right that is not an exploit its just in odds of you wining about 100% 
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Mr nStuff
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Posted - 2003.09.09 22:23:00 -
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You're right, everyone should reboot their client before jumping into a system, each and every time, since the lag is on our end.
/sarcasm off
Yes stupid people.. The lag is on your end. Stop whining..
I admit m0o is probably exploiting the client-side memory leak issues.. I do not condone their actions. They are probably all a bunch of CS rejects.. Big F'in deal..
Go around there lame ass blockade you morons..
If you must go straight through it. I suggest you reboot the client before jumping into the target area. Try it. Then come back and say, "You were right Mr nStuff.. You the man"... Until then STHU..
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