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Trading Jones
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Posted - 2003.09.09 21:40:00 -
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Probably will be removed - but posting anyway:
Just wonder if I'm the only one that believes ppl using mining drones to lag you out when you're entering a new system (after jump) are exploiters?
For me - it sounds like an obvious exploit. But according to one of the Polaris members - who asked the GMs - it currently (for some reason I fail to see) isn't considered an exploit.
So - how're you all looking at this matter? Exploit or not exploit?
Quote from Eve's Q&A:
"2) An exploit is when someone takes advantage of a bypass in normal game mechanics, allowing him to take advantage of you without you having any means of preventing it whatsoever. "
Quote 2 from Eve's Q&A:
"Pray tell, what is an exploit then?
An exploit is when someone deliberately bypasses the normal game mechanics, by utilizing a bug, a weakness in the system or any other possible loophole in order to personally gain from it, and/or by intentionally use said means to take advantage of other players"
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Joshua Calvert
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Posted - 2003.09.09 21:41:00 -
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Where's that post by Polaris?
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Stavros
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Posted - 2003.09.09 21:41:00 -
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you're not the only one to believe it, just the only one annoying enough to post a poll about it.
lets wait for ome word from the devs or something eh?
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Vidar Kentoran
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Posted - 2003.09.09 21:43:00 -
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Why aren't you glad they're using mining drones? They could be using combat drones instead and causing just as much lag _PLUS_ doing significant additional damage.
Sounds to me like you should be thankful you only have the lag to deal with.
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Akunosh Ryo
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Posted - 2003.09.09 21:49:00 -
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Ok, so if I'm understanding this right then your saying that if I use my mining drones to mine in a system and they create lag for those entering the system, that I'm using an exploit? Tho I could be wrong, a little on the tired side.
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Joshua Calvert
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Posted - 2003.09.09 21:50:00 -
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Ok, so if I'm understanding this right then your saying that if I use my mining drones to mine in a system and they create lag for those entering the system, that I'm using an exploit? Tho I could be wrong, a little on the tired side.
Nah, they mean that using drones to create lag at the jump-in point (after jumping through a jumpgate) to lag you and increase the time it takes to load the system and objects.
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Kennian
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Posted - 2003.09.09 21:50:00 -
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a bit shady maybe, very underhanded...but you cant scream exploit because they launched drones. kinda amuseing becuase the pirates were to stupid to bring ogres or wasps...
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Akunosh Ryo
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Posted - 2003.09.09 21:55:00 -
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Hmm, thanks for clearing that up Joshua Calvert.
I don't believe it's an exploit, just a new version of the can lag. (That wasn't an exploit was it?)
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Lola
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Posted - 2003.09.09 21:56:00 -
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Ok, so if I'm understanding this right then your saying that if I use my mining drones to mine in a system and they create lag for those entering the system, that I'm using an exploit? Tho I could be wrong, a little on the tired side.
Akunosh, you are confused. He's saying if he went through a jump gate. Then on the other side of the jump gate deployed mining drones and just sat there in space waiting for someone to come though in the hopes that your drones would cause them extra lag. It's a really silly thing to cry about since combat drones can cause damage and they won't be considered an exploit.
I've heard of people sitting on the other side of jump in points refered to as pouncers. I kinda like that term. I'm not sure if it's from any official storyline but it's a great description. Sounds much better than "Jump in point camper".
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Joshua Calvert
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Posted - 2003.09.09 21:59:00 -
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Lola,
The pouncers thing IS a good tactic apart from the fact those "guys" knew it would cause severe lag and leave the victims unable to respond and have no recourse to avoid the situation.
"An exploit is when someone takes advantage of a bypass in normal game mechanics, allowing him to take advantage of you without you having any means of preventing it whatsoever."
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Xanif
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Posted - 2003.09.09 21:59:00 -
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I couldn't understand what use mining drones could POSSIBLY have in combat. So I did some digging.
A spoonful of digging.
I.E. I read the mining drone stats.
The do explosive damage. They are viable for fighting...
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Joshua Calvert
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Posted - 2003.09.09 22:02:00 -
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Quote:
I couldn't understand what use mining drones could POSSIBLY have in combat. So I did some digging.
A spoonful of digging.
I.E. I read the mining drone stats.
The do explosive damage. They are viable for fighting...
Riiiiight. Let's see you make a mining drone attack something other than a rock then.
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Xanif
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Posted - 2003.09.09 22:03:00 -
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I havn't used them, but if they have 2 explosive damage, I assume they can fight.
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Joshua Calvert
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Posted - 2003.09.09 22:05:00 -
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Xanif,
Go use them and reconsider.
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Mr nStuff
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Posted - 2003.09.09 22:06:00 -
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The lag is on your end.. Reboot the client before jumping to a system where 50 drones might be waiting. 
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Multi
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Posted - 2003.09.09 22:06:00 -
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it is a exploit because they are exploiting how it creates lag when jumping in on that point
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Mr nStuff
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Posted - 2003.09.09 22:08:00 -
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yes your right.. lets just get rid of drones.
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Hematic
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Posted - 2003.09.09 22:09:00 -
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Had they been combat drones I would say no exploit.
But the fact someone launched mining drones goes to show what the intention behind their deployment was exploitive.
Pretty simple actually. Exploit to a certain degree has to do with intent. Someone launching combat drones has a dual purpose lag + extra fire power. Somone launching miners has a single purpose, lag.
So anyone intentionally creating lag for the sole purpose of lag, could be said to be an exploiter.
Doesn't really matter how they do it, laying cans around a jump gate etc...
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Yggdrassil
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Posted - 2003.09.09 22:09:00 -
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Joshua: The complete article is found if you go to support, type in "exploit" and select the third article.
Yggdrassil |
Lola
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Posted - 2003.09.09 22:10:00 -
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Lola,
The pouncers thing IS a good tactic apart from the fact those "guys" knew it would cause severe lag and leave the victims unable to respond and have no recourse to avoid the situation.
"An exploit is when someone takes advantage of a bypass in normal game mechanics, allowing him to take advantage of you without you having any means of preventing it whatsoever."
The problem with lag is that any large force will cause it. So what are players to do? Not having big battles isn't an answer. I guess the no recourse you speak of is the fact you can't see who's in the next system possibly ready to pounce. With some good scanner work and a look on local you can be relatively aware of who might be on the other side of your next warp.
Maybe at some point in the future CCP could add a feature that would let players read the local(player) list in the system to which the jump gate they are at is jumping. Maybe make it a skill/module thing. It could work great for bounty hunters and blockade runners. I just thought of that so please no flames.
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Joshua Calvert
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Posted - 2003.09.09 22:11:00 -
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The lag is on your end.. Reboot the client before jumping to a system where 50 drones might be waiting.
Do you even know what you're talking about?
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Joshua Calvert
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Posted - 2003.09.09 22:12:00 -
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Joshua: The complete article is found if you go to support, type in "exploit" and select the third article.
I thought he meant that Polaris had issued some kind of definitive decision on one of the threads.
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Joshua Calvert
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Posted - 2003.09.09 22:13:00 -
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Lola,
Like Hematic says, it's all about intent.
We cannot help creating lag when engaging in large scale battles but the fact they were using mining drones brings their intent into question.
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Jorev
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Posted - 2003.09.09 22:14:00 -
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You're right, everyone should reboot their client before jumping into a system, each and every time, since the lag is on our end.
/sarcasm off
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Mr nStuff
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Posted - 2003.09.09 22:14:00 -
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Just make random jump-in points. Atleast until CCP figures out how to stop the client side lag issues.
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Mr nStuff
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Posted - 2003.09.09 22:16:00 -
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Do you even know what you're talking about?
Yes I know what i'm talking about.. Do you? Do you even know why you asked me if I know what I'm talking about? Well do you? 
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Darketh Nightspawn
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Posted - 2003.09.09 22:17:00 -
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It's an exploit. The only lamers to defend this (and just about lal otherexploits that they benefit from) are the very small minority of Buy Scouts who like camping.
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Veruna Caseti
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Posted - 2003.09.09 22:18:00 -
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I think it's pretty underhanded, but unfortunately it doesn't matter what we think.
Until CCP/Polaris has anything to say or do about it, we might as well be discussing applie pie recipes.
Veruna Caseti
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Drutort
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Posted - 2003.09.09 22:23:00 -
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Edited by: Drutort on 09/09/2003 22:28:13
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Why aren't you glad they're using mining drones? They could be using combat drones instead and causing just as much lag _PLUS_ doing significant additional damage.
Sounds to me like you should be thankful you only have the lag to deal with.
you fail to see that cheap mining drones take less space then other drones? thus you can hold more of them?
another reason would be to have those drones because they dont attack like combat drones thust hey just tay there.... as right now if you fire your guns your drones will go and attack that target... and you would probably lose them etc...
the hole point is cheap more of and to cause lag and not to care about dmg because if they cared they would use scouts or whatever...
nobody would probably say jump in points would be exploits if you had your ship loaded and could combat..
but you neither get the 10 sec and you dont get to have any modals on and you have no clue who is in local...
thus making your chance to even see who blew you up zip and chance to escape 0 as well
i mean dont you like those odds? you get to take out someone before they can even open fire and before they can even hit warp..
you dont even need a warp scram or a web none of those just hook your self up for fast lock and muchoo dmg!! and U R WINER and other is auto loser LOL
you damn right that is not an exploit its just in odds of you wining about 100% 
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Mr nStuff
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Posted - 2003.09.09 22:23:00 -
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You're right, everyone should reboot their client before jumping into a system, each and every time, since the lag is on our end.
/sarcasm off
Yes stupid people.. The lag is on your end. Stop whining..
I admit m0o is probably exploiting the client-side memory leak issues.. I do not condone their actions. They are probably all a bunch of CS rejects.. Big F'in deal..
Go around there lame ass blockade you morons..
If you must go straight through it. I suggest you reboot the client before jumping into the target area. Try it. Then come back and say, "You were right Mr nStuff.. You the man"... Until then STHU..
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Mr nStuff
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Posted - 2003.09.09 22:28:00 -
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If you command the drones to Return and Orbit, they will no longer attack what you fire at. You would have to scoop them up and relaunch them, to get them to attack again.
And Hammerheads have the same volume as Mining Drones.
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Yggdrassil
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Posted - 2003.09.09 22:28:00 -
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Veruna:
I know there's not much WE can do about it - that the devs has to decide/fix it.
What I wanted with this poll is to put some pressure on them :) Probably won't help - but it's all I can think of right now - since I don't wanna threat about quitting. Love this game too much :(
Furthermore, I wished GM/Devs/whoever would start looking at the intent with the exploit affair. If someone does this or that with the intent of getting an unfair advantage, IT IS AN EXPLOIT! So EASY!
So putting 1000 cans at a gate to deliberately cause lag for ppl warping in IS AN EXPLOIT! And launching 12-15 mining drones in gate or wherever when you're wanting someone to arrive so you can kill them IS AN EXPLOIT! Even launching 15 scout drones is an exploit IF you put them there only to cause lag for the opponent.
There should be no need for warnings when you're cought doing it. In my opinion, first offense: 1 month ban. 2nd offense: Banned forever.
Yggdrassil |
Mr nStuff
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Posted - 2003.09.09 22:32:00 -
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quote:
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The server code is in pretty good shape so thereÆs no problem patching the server. The client is still unstable after heavy surgery. As soon as the client gets reasonably stable, we are good to go.
The client has gone through a huge revamp making it more responsive and less laggy. A lot of cleanup has also been done in the core components of the client. All this will result in less memory leak, less memory usage, more responsive UI, and hopefully faster loading of in-space bubbles (warp-in lag).
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Dare to dream.
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Kashej
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Posted - 2003.09.09 22:37:00 -
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not exploit, actually they bugged they can cause damage but attack command is bugged.
for the next round of stupid questions log with your main character, we wont bite.
Good Luck
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Jash Illian
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Posted - 2003.09.09 22:38:00 -
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Quote:
Edited by: Drutort on 09/09/2003 22:28:13
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Why aren't you glad they're using mining drones? They could be using combat drones instead and causing just as much lag _PLUS_ doing significant additional damage.
Sounds to me like you should be thankful you only have the lag to deal with.
you fail to see that cheap mining drones take less space then other drones? thus you can hold more of them?
another reason would be to have those drones because they dont attack like combat drones thust hey just tay there.... as right now if you fire your guns your drones will go and attack that target... and you would probably lose them etc...
the hole point is cheap more of and to cause lag and not to care about dmg because if they cared they would use scouts or whatever...
nobody would probably say jump in points would be exploits if you had your ship loaded and could combat..
but you neither get the 10 sec and you dont get to have any modals on and you have no clue who is in local...
thus making your chance to even see who blew you up zip and chance to escape 0 as well
i mean dont you like those odds? you get to take out someone before they can even open fire and before they can even hit warp..
you dont even need a warp scram or a web none of those just hook your self up for fast lock and muchoo dmg!! and U R WINER and other is auto loser LOL
you damn right that is not an exploit its just in odds of you wining about 100%
Geez...you don't know anything about drones either.
Acolytes and other light scout drones take up 50m3 units of space. That's right, half as much space as a harvester. Acolytes cost less than even Basic Mining Drones on the market. And, hey! They can actually cause damage too!
The argument that people sent out 100k drone to create lag (and possibly lose those drones especially to a cruise missile) over a 5.1k Acolyte that would fill the same purpose, take up half as much space and cause damage on top of the lag they created (if that was the purpose) is rather thin.
I mean its like you want corporations to oblige each other like its sex or something. Pffft I would rather **** my enemy.- Rohann
Be careful out there. That other guy waiting in the queue for the gate MIGHT be a baby-munching frock-burner, YOU JUST DON'T KNOW!- Lallante |
Trading Jones
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Posted - 2003.09.09 22:47:00 -
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not exploit, actually they bugged they can cause damage but attack command is bugged.
for the next round of stupid questions log with your main character, we wont bite.
Grow up. I've raised questions I feel needs clarification. I've read other ppls replies, some well funded, some stupid - but I've respected their opinion.
Had actually hoped this thread could be kept on subject, without comments about other ppls stupidity and stuff like that.
If you'd like to comment on wether the INTENT with the Basic Mining drones being launched was to cause lag or not, I'd be grateful though... |
Absinthe Addict
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Posted - 2003.09.09 23:05:00 -
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*pondering the fine louche in the crystal glass of Pernot 68, catching a glimpse of "la fee verte"*
Trading Jones hoping to trade in answers, Trading Jones with a "jones" for the truth, and yet Trading Jones still wonders without confirmation. I on the other had wonder about nothing nor seek confirmation on what I've already deduced, my fellow denizens of Eve. Perhaps you all noticed which character of which corporation was the first to take the field in answering this most valid of queries?
*sipping absinthe, savoring the overtones of anise*
In my honest opinion (mirrored by my esteemed absinthe swilling colleagues and admirers) our "bovine" friends again push the limits seeking vindication for being le morceau fÚtide de merde qui a chutÚ de l'Ône de l'univers de jeu. Les vaches marchent dans leur propre merde et alimentent sur celle qu'elles ont la merde dessus, non? Does this surprise any of you?
*chuckles and sips more absinthe*
Simply put this is an infantile repeat of the "cargo container" exploit that CCP put a screeching halt to, using drones to create lag waves of enormous proportions. Our cud chewing simpletons then stand back proud of what they've looted, whimsically proclaiming that using mining drones at the entry point to a solar system with the absence of asteroids obvious pour Úgaliser l'imbÚcile d'idiot le plus innÚ isn't an exploit.
*sips more absinthe and after swallowing the beautiful green elixir, hums a few bars of the well known song "Three Blind Mice" while glancing at CCP then turning to disdainfully look at the "Got Milk?" corporation*
Although I admire the hard work that the Polaris and GM teams put forth in helping individuals, I feel they've missed the mark here. Given enough time (and the exploit cues which will burst at the seams over this) this too will be changed. More whining, more groaning, more *****ing and more moaning are quite the course for the day. More flaming will ensue, more "carebear" accusations will be catapulted into the air like so much confetti.
*chuckles again, sipping more absinthe*
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Tank CEO
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Posted - 2003.09.09 23:14:00 -
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Just to clear some things up. In Sarum Prime I camped the in-jump from Amarr and about made 30 million that day from getting industrials. I didn't use containers to lag anyone out and I only had 3 drones out when I camped. So after about a day of having fun, GM comes on and says im exploiting. "Taking advantage of a flaw in the loading time" is the exploit that I didn't know.
So anywas, whoever is camping the in-jump is a exploit and especially for pirates, becarefull, ccp dislikes us so they want to have a reason to ban you so becarefull..
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Kashej
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Posted - 2003.09.09 23:21:00 -
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To many whiners playing this game, who need a clarification on how to reload your ammo or how to enable your autopilot.
Good Luck
O(o_o)O - y kotorogo net dryzei.
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Shock
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Posted - 2003.09.09 23:23:00 -
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ccp dislikes us so they want to have a reason to ban you so becarefull..
Typical...
What did you think about the plan to disable instajumping with bookmarks?
What did you think of the disabling of MWD in warp?
CCP isn't after you Tank, they are trying to balance.
So that means you either have fun OR you make money. That means NOT making 30M while having fun blowing up indies with ease...
But then again you ofcourse now consider me a carebear and as such reject all sound arguments as whining.
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Master Scy
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Posted - 2003.09.09 23:36:00 -
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If people are really using mining drones at jump-in points, then there's no valid reason I can think of other than to create lag. The argument that it's done to make it harder to target the pirate is also flawed as your ship automatically targets the first ship to lock on you...
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You think Marco Polo said
"Damn Mongolians were camping that cave entry into the next valley the entire day, you can't get friggin anywhere in the world with those damn griefer tribes all over the place" ?
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Mr nStuff
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Posted - 2003.09.09 23:39:00 -
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I thought Tank CEO was suspended for using the -10.0 standing exploit.
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H3R0
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Posted - 2003.09.09 23:56:00 -
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Well, harvesters take the same size as hammerheads, yes.
But what drone are used most harvester or hammerhead I guess pirates uses heavy drones or harvesters for mining, why buy hammerheads then?
Well and I see some ppl talking bout that it is right doing this and some of thos eppl hav ebeen banned for an day earlier for exploits so I nderstand they like an new one.
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Kynoch
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Posted - 2003.09.09 23:56:00 -
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This is pretty interesting actually. I have been playing online games a long time and M0o was in Tribes and other games as well in the past and known as big exploiters, cheats whatever. On the whole they made the experience much less enjoyable and lowered my general opinion of humanity.
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Jorev
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Posted - 2003.09.10 00:07:00 -
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I could care less about the use of drones, it's the camping of zone ins that is the exploit.
People like Tank and M0o have it all figured out. They know CCP lacks the will to permaban them, so they will push the envelope and push the GMS around all they want.
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Posted - 2003.09.10 00:11:00 -
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Releasing non combat drones in an effort to lag an enemy with no combat purpose besides that is a exploit. It uses the game mechanics to gain an advantage without a real intent to use the drones for anything but lagging the enemy. Its not good combat and its not good for gameplay. Once again people are more interested in breaking the game than competeting in it.
Using combat drones is perfectly lagit.
I think people who are interested in breaking the game instead of competeting it should get the heavy end of the bann stick to the noggin.
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Posted - 2003.09.10 00:13:00 -
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Its like playing chess with someone while they try to kick over the table.
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Trading Jones
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Posted - 2003.09.10 00:25:00 -
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Quote:
Releasing non combat drones in an effort to lag an enemy with no combat purpose besides that is a exploit. It uses the game mechanics to gain an advantage without a real intent to use the drones for anything but lagging the enemy. Its not good combat and its not good for gameplay. Once again people are more interested in breaking the game than competeting in it.
Using combat drones is perfectly lagit.
I think people who are interested in breaking the game instead of competeting it should get the heavy end of the bann stick to the noggin.
Agree and disagree with you.
Releasing combat drones if the purpose is to USE them is legit. On the other hand, if the purpose is to cause lag - it's not.
I know it's hard, maybe impossible to distinct the differense, for a GM or Dev.
Just want to make the point: If you do this or that with the sole PURPOSE of causing lag or use a flaw to gain an unfair advantage - IT'S AN EXPLOIT.
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cball
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Posted - 2003.09.10 00:42:00 -
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Lola,
The pouncers thing IS a good tactic apart from the fact those "guys" knew it would cause severe lag and leave the victims unable to respond and have no recourse to avoid the situation.
"An exploit is when someone takes advantage of a bypass in normal game mechanics, allowing him to take advantage of you without you having any means of preventing it whatsoever."
Well said, this is why it is being looked at as an exploit by the GM's at this time. We can only hope that CCP will finaly show the balls to ban them this time.
...fear the evil monkey in your hanger...
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cball
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Posted - 2003.09.10 00:45:00 -
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Quote:
Quote:
You're right, everyone should reboot their client before jumping into a system, each and every time, since the lag is on our end.
/sarcasm off
Yes stupid people.. The lag is on your end. Stop whining..
I admit m0o is probably exploiting the client-side memory leak issues.. I do not condone their actions. They are probably all a bunch of CS rejects.. Big F'in deal..
Go around there lame ass blockade you morons..
If you must go straight through it. I suggest you reboot the client before jumping into the target area. Try it. Then come back and say, "You were right Mr nStuff.. You the man"... Until then STHU..
Troll, go away, stop insulting people.
Learn a thing or two, pay attention, then you may be able to remove that foot from your mouth!
...fear the evil monkey in your hanger...
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cball
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Posted - 2003.09.10 00:46:00 -
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To many whiners playing this game, who need a clarification on how to reload your ammo or how to enable your autopilot.
Ya, exploit users calling players whiners...
grow up already
...fear the evil monkey in your hanger...
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Stavros
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Posted - 2003.09.10 00:53:00 -
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i love you all 
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Shadamm IV
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Posted - 2003.09.10 00:55:00 -
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What I find pathetic is its the same people over and over doing this. I realize I wasnt playing back in the Mara gate days but Ive read the forums how m0o would exploit with cargo containers. Now theyre exploiting with drones. Before that it was stacked modules that multiplied benefit improperly. If people would look at WHO is doing this rather then the act itself they'd see its the same griefing troublemakers who do everything else wrong and come up with these very marginal tactics over and over again. Its obvious they know how to find an exploit and will use it until its corrected.
CCP needs to get a clue and toss them out of the game.
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Trading Jones
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Posted - 2003.09.10 01:18:00 -
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I didn't mention any pirate corp when I started this thread on purpose.
With all the comments about mOo doing this and that, I feel I got to state one thing for the record: As far as I could see, mOo was NOT involved it the episode when I got podded.
I have encountered mOo camping some gates, taken some pounding - but been able to get away alive. So far... :)
But I NEVER encountered mOo using exploits all those times when I've run like crazy to reach gate, or warp back.
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cball
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Posted - 2003.09.10 01:53:00 -
[55]
Quote:
I didn't mention any pirate corp when I started this thread on purpose.
With all the comments about mOo doing this and that, I feel I got to state one thing for the record: As far as I could see, mOo was NOT involved it the episode when I got podded.
I have encountered mOo camping some gates, taken some pounding - but been able to get away alive. So far... :)
But I NEVER encountered mOo using exploits all those times when I've run like crazy to reach gate, or warp back.
Just for the record
You sound like a truely honest and polite person. It is rare to have someone with honor in the game.
...fear the evil monkey in your hanger...
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Carcharodon
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Posted - 2003.09.10 02:24:00 -
[56]
cant wait to see 50 player owned sentry guns at the jump in point
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Jash Illian
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Posted - 2003.09.10 02:46:00 -
[57]
Quote:
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Releasing non combat drones in an effort to lag an enemy with no combat purpose besides that is a exploit. It uses the game mechanics to gain an advantage without a real intent to use the drones for anything but lagging the enemy. Its not good combat and its not good for gameplay. Once again people are more interested in breaking the game than competeting in it.
Using combat drones is perfectly lagit.
I think people who are interested in breaking the game instead of competeting it should get the heavy end of the bann stick to the noggin.
Agree and disagree with you.
Releasing combat drones if the purpose is to USE them is legit. On the other hand, if the purpose is to cause lag - it's not.
I know it's hard, maybe impossible to distinct the differense, for a GM or Dev.
Just want to make the point: If you do this or that with the sole PURPOSE of causing lag or use a flaw to gain an unfair advantage - IT'S AN EXPLOIT.
Having your drones outside of your ship is the same as having ammo in your guns. You don't waste the time preparing to attack when your target is already in front of you.
It makes no sense to lose time in preparation when in those scant few seconds you may find yourself jammed/sensor inhibited/launching drones with an incoming missile attack.
I mean its like you want corporations to oblige each other like its sex or something. Pffft I would rather **** my enemy.- Rohann
Be careful out there. That other guy waiting in the queue for the gate MIGHT be a baby-munching frock-burner, YOU JUST DON'T KNOW!- Lallante |
cball
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Posted - 2003.09.10 03:17:00 -
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Edited by: cball on 10/09/2003 03:22:14
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To many whiners playing this game, who need a clarification on how to reload your ammo or how to enable your autopilot.
Typical...call people whiners when you are caught breaking the rules
...fear the evil monkey in your hanger...
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Skelator
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Posted - 2003.09.10 03:47:00 -
[59]
Edited by: Skelator on 10/09/2003 03:48:46
Edited by: Skelator on 10/09/2003 03:48:15
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Ok, so if I'm understanding this right then your saying that if I use my mining drones to mine in a system and they create lag for those entering the system, that I'm using an exploit? Tho I could be wrong, a little on the tired side.
Nah, they mean that using drones to create lag at the jump-in point (after jumping through a jumpgate) to lag you and increase the time it takes to load the system and objects.
Theres a Very Simple solution.
Miner drones can only deploy in a asteroid field.
End of Exploit
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Jash Illian
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Posted - 2003.09.10 03:50:00 -
[60]
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Edited by: cball on 10/09/2003 03:22:14
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To many whiners playing this game, who need a clarification on how to reload your ammo or how to enable your autopilot.
Typical...call people whiners when you are caught breaking the rules
I agree. Too many people complaining.
People demanding CCP declare something an exploit when they're neither qualified nor impartial enough to make any demand of such sort.
People complaining the pirates won't let them get to bistot. When the whole reason the pirates are there is because many of those same people complained so much CCP locked down empire space and made it lethal for a pirate to be there.
People complaining so much about drones being an exploit, they come up with the laughably stupid demand to have them removed. Apparently TomB doesn't agree:
Quote:
Drones
Drones have been increased in defences and abit in damage output, also they fly at longer range now from target so missiles shouldn't always take out all your drones.
I mean its like you want corporations to oblige each other like its sex or something. Pffft I would rather **** my enemy.- Rohann
Be careful out there. That other guy waiting in the queue for the gate MIGHT be a baby-munching frock-burner, YOU JUST DON'T KNOW!- Lallante |
Master Scy
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Posted - 2003.09.10 04:09:00 -
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Sigh.. The drones aren't the problem, the lag is. 5 Drone carriers could probably demolish fleets twice their size without any difficulty, since they'd have a minute or so headstart, with the people doing the jumping unable to turn any defensive components on. At least when you warp, you can pop in with hardeners already on...
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You think Marco Polo said
"Damn Mongolians were camping that cave entry into the next valley the entire day, you can't get friggin anywhere in the world with those damn griefer tribes all over the place" ?
-Indigo Seqi
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Joshua Calvert
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Posted - 2003.09.10 06:46:00 -
[62]
You have to wonder about Jash's persistent defence of the exploiters.
Has the thrown his integrity out of the window in order to prevent being called....*gasp*...carebear?
LEEEEERRRRRRRRRRROOOOOOOOOYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY! |
Veruna Caseti
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Posted - 2003.09.10 06:50:00 -
[63]
Edited by: Veruna Caseti on 10/09/2003 06:51:33
Edited by: Veruna Caseti on 10/09/2003 06:51:07
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It makes no sense to lose time in preparation when in those scant few seconds you may find yourself jammed/sensor inhibited/launching drones with an incoming missile attack.
You mean like it makes no sense to have a hoard of mining drones deployed at a jump-in point?
Oh wait it makes perfect sense if you're trying to exploit the current game mechanics to destroy people's ships before their client can even display you.
Also, with all those drones out what "scant few seconds" are you talking about?
You mean the "scant few" 60+ seconds it takes people to load when a bunch of lamers have 50 drones out that they have no intention of using in combat? I thought those were the scant "few" seconds you were referring to.
This tactic = embarassing.
Anyone who defends this tactic = embarassing.
Veruna Caseti
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Black Lotus
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Posted - 2003.09.10 07:05:00 -
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How have so many people missed the topic of this discussion. Drones are not the issue.
This is not about people warping into a gate blockade.
This is about jumping a gate. to goto another system, what happens when u jump a gate? ur client loads the system, no? well what would u do if ur client didnt load the system, but it loaded ur cloning station.
do all u drone complainers understand now?
Exploit.
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Vacuole
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Posted - 2003.09.10 12:51:00 -
[65]
I think it was Technolisa of RUS in another thread who said that scores of drones were used to help 'hide' their ships from enemies warping-in.
Well, that makes some sense.. there really are still people who try to target others using the cursor pointer and clicking ships on the screen. Lots of drones makes it harder to do that.
Sure, they may have intended to lag clients or whatever but that's a pretty heavy charge to make and I don't see how it could be proven.
If ya can't prove they did it with the intent of lagging clients or whatever, then I don't personally see how they could be labelled exploiters.
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Jash Illian
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Posted - 2003.09.10 13:27:00 -
[66]
Quote:
You have to wonder about Jash's persistent defence of the exploiters.
Has the thrown his integrity out of the window in order to prevent being called....*gasp*...carebear?
First of all, nobody has any proof. No real proof of the number of drones, the makeup of the deployment, who launched what drones (to separate the possible innocent from the possible guilty). Nothing.
Second of all, it doesn't seem to matter if the pirates use a valid tactic or an invalid one. They get labelled exploiters immediately by the furbearers that got beat. Then pounded by the mega-furbeaers that'd never get involved cause the only lasers they own are mining ones.
Who do these people think they're buttshilling anyways? The ones that actually fight something bigger than a Scordite roid (bigger in the sense of danger cause I think the sco rocks outsize stations now) have camped jump in points. They use drones just as much as the next person. They give no concerns to whether or not their target has a chance to load the screen. They just fight the fight...until they have their asses handed to them.
The only valid exploits are game hacks until the developer of the game says otherwise. Once that happens, then people can say exploiter all they want. Until that happens, people need to:
1) Report the situation and wait for a response
2) Shut the hell up.
Cause if it does turn out to be an exploit, all they're doing is spreading how to do it. And inciting the more stupid members of the playerbase to come up with even dumber solutions in their hysteria. While making as many hate filled accusations as possible to distort the more gullible people's view and utterly pervert any chance of the situation being handled fairly.
Remove the option to launch drones until clientside lag is fixed? Is there a better example of someone that's never been in a fight mucking about where they have not a clue???
I mean its like you want corporations to oblige each other like its sex or something. Pffft I would rather **** my enemy.- Rohann
Be careful out there. That other guy waiting in the queue for the gate MIGHT be a baby-munching frock-burner, YOU JUST DON'T KNOW!- Lallante |
Kashej
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Posted - 2003.09.10 13:31:00 -
[67]
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Edited by: cball on 10/09/2003 03:22:14
Quote:
To many whiners playing this game, who need a clarification on how to reload your ammo or how to enable your autopilot.
Typical...call people whiners when you are caught breaking the rules
breaking what rules? iddy
Good Luck
O(o_o)O - y kotorogo net dryzei.
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Intruders
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Posted - 2003.09.10 13:41:00 -
[68]
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Well, that makes some sense.. there really are still people who try to target others using the cursor pointer and clicking ships on the screen. Lots of drones makes it harder to do that.
So what do you use may I ask? Surelly it wont be the scanner, waiting there activating scanners to take about 15 mins to load all the drones and the enemy ships including yours and everythink there is nearby in a solar system and every little asteroid on the list..
Every man lives..but not every man dies!
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Captin Zed
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Posted - 2003.09.10 13:58:00 -
[69]
Exploit or not - People just don't like getting podded/killed while all they see is the loading box or briefly see a few frames of a scrambled/webbed ship with hull being rapidly stripped away.
Too right tho . . That really sucks.
Improvise, Adapt, Overcome. |
BSOD
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Posted - 2003.09.10 14:09:00 -
[70]
Edited by: BSOD on 10/09/2003 14:13:21
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Ok, so if I'm understanding this right then your saying that if I use my mining drones to mine in a system and they create lag for those entering the system, that I'm using an exploit? Tho I could be wrong, a little on the tired side.
Mining drones in a roid field have a legitimate reason for being there.
Mining drones in a combat situation with no roids for thousands of kilometers have NO legitimate reason for being present.
Whether they are being used as a lag exploit, or as a UI exploit, the presence of mining drones in combat can only be used for exploiting. Yes, using drones to hide your ship is an exploit of flaws in the UI. (Actually, when m0o is using mining drones, it's a thinly veiled excuse for a lag exploit due to the negative security status of m0o members causing them to show up on someone's threat window for easy locking.)
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Lonagan Nash
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Posted - 2003.09.10 14:10:00 -
[71]
Opertative phrase in the definitions provided at the top of the thread being, "weakness in the system," and "no means of preventing it whatsoever." So by definition yes.
Simple soulution. Load player ships last when warping or jumping in. That way the 10 sec no lock time will actually mean something.
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Gand
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Posted - 2003.09.10 14:22:00 -
[72]
There is a very good reason to use mining drones in combat.
Missiles often hit drones so having drones orbit you reduce missile damage a lot.
Combat/scout drones attack whatever you fire at but mining drones just keep orbiting you.
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Daesdemona
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Posted - 2003.09.10 14:24:00 -
[73]
Drone shield... maybe we could create barricades of newbie ships to hide behind from missiles....
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Homer: "I think its obvious that I Don't"
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Geryon
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Posted - 2003.09.10 14:40:00 -
[74]
If 'jump in' points were Jumpgates (like it is in the storyline) then surely it could be programmed so that drones couldn't be deployed or controlled within, say, 30km of a gate thus ending the lag problem and also this would stop 'jump in' campers as the gate defences would kick in if they start firing........just a thought.......
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Luc Boye
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Posted - 2003.09.10 15:40:00 -
[75]
Edited by: Luc Boye on 10/09/2003 15:40:53
Using harvesters for combat is obvious but valid IMHO, let the CCP fix the lag issues. How about an option:
"Load low quality textures on busy warp out points"?
Or to synchronize the stuff so that player appears in space ONLY AFTER all the stuff has been loaded & rendered in his client? Or make it other way around, if campers use drones and containers the warp in player sees them before they see him. Reverse the table. That might lead to less gate camping more hunting when pirating. On the second thought, I already came up with the reverse tactics for that one :) nevermind... hard stuff... fix it someone, we pay dollares 
This lag stuff has been bugging PvP since the beginning of the ages so instead of people crying "CHEATER" try to push CCP to re-design.
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Master Scy
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Posted - 2003.09.10 15:48:00 -
[76]
Edited by: Master Scy on 10/09/2003 15:49:20
Quote:
There is a very good reason to use mining drones in combat.
Missiles often hit drones so having drones orbit you reduce missile damage a lot.
Combat/scout drones attack whatever you fire at but mining drones just keep orbiting you.
On TQ, missiles are worthless and I doubt anyone uses them for PvP combat anyway. Also, I don't believe putting 10 drones arond your battleship would make any difference whatsover, instead of 1 missile in 10 hitting you, it might be 1 in 20...
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You think Marco Polo said
"Damn Mongolians were camping that cave entry into the next valley the entire day, you can't get friggin anywhere in the world with those damn griefer tribes all over the place" ?
-Indigo Seqi
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Athule Snanm
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Posted - 2003.09.10 16:01:00 -
[77]
Quote:
This lag stuff has been bugging PvP since the beginning of the ages so instead of people crying "CHEATER" try to push CCP to re-design.
I agree, where hyper-lag only existed in large fleet battles you can now expect it with most encounters with more than one or two ships employing drones as people's drone skills and drone space gets larger and larger (the former through training, the latter due to more people sitting in battleships). The only solution to this would be to tell people not to use drones - and do you want to be the person that stops using them first? You may as well just type 'I surrender' in the local channel during every fight/warp. The problem is a real one, but only CCP can solve it.
As to mining drones in combat at gates - well if it's one or two the chances are that they were launched with a launch all command and a mixed bay. If they're all mining drones then their main effect is to lag incoming players - justify it all you want with stories about it being harder to target, but that is an exploit or more correctly grief play whichever way you look at it.
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Jash Illian
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Posted - 2003.09.10 16:11:00 -
[78]
Quote:
Edited by: Veruna Caseti on 10/09/2003 06:51:33
Edited by: Veruna Caseti on 10/09/2003 06:51:07
Quote:
It makes no sense to lose time in preparation when in those scant few seconds you may find yourself jammed/sensor inhibited/launching drones with an incoming missile attack.
You mean like it makes no sense to have a hoard of mining drones deployed at a jump-in point?
Oh wait it makes perfect sense if you're trying to exploit the current game mechanics to destroy people's ships before their client can even display you.
Also, with all those drones out what "scant few seconds" are you talking about?
You mean the "scant few" 60+ seconds it takes people to load when a bunch of lamers have 50 drones out that they have no intention of using in combat? I thought those were the scant "few" seconds you were referring to.
This tactic = embarassing.
Anyone who defends this tactic = embarassing.
Ah...there's the person that's making me look for towhooks that'll fit on a Rifter. Welcome Back
You, by your own admittance, know very little about combat. I don't expect you to understand how much the seconds it takes to launch drones can matter, especially since drones sometime appear to not activate automatically. Not calling you a n00b, since I know that annoys you. I'm simply stating a fact: seconds do matter in combat.
Now do people deserve a chance to load and respond? Yes. But can you call people that prepare for combat 'Exploiters' because their preparation may deny them that chance? No. Because what you're asking is for people to purposely make themselves vulnerable for your sake. Nobody here cares enough about you to risk their work for your sake. Again, not a slam. Just a fact.
I mean its like you want corporations to oblige each other like its sex or something. Pffft I would rather **** my enemy.- Rohann
Be careful out there. That other guy waiting in the queue for the gate MIGHT be a baby-munching frock-burner, YOU JUST DON'T KNOW!- Lallante |
BSOD
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Posted - 2003.09.10 17:36:00 -
[79]
Quote:
You, by your own admittance, know very little about combat. I don't expect you to understand how much the seconds it takes to launch drones can matter, especially since drones sometime appear to not activate automatically. Not calling you a n00b, since I know that annoys you. I'm simply stating a fact: seconds do matter in combat.
This is why I have no problems with combat drones being pre-deployed. They have a *legitimate reason* for being there. Lag is an unfortunate side effect.
Mining drones are an entirely different story.
Either way, CCP needs to do something about loadlag. It's something they should've started working on when the put in the jettison timer band-aid fix.
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Joshua Calvert
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Posted - 2003.09.10 18:49:00 -
[80]
Edited by: Joshua Calvert on 10/09/2003 18:50:33
Perhaps the blue flash around ships which "appear" in space after a jump-in should disable any nearby drones.
That would force "pouncers" to pull drones back into their drone bay to re-activate them or it would make them hold them in the drone bay until after the ships appeared.
LEEEEERRRRRRRRRRROOOOOOOOOYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY! |
Mr nStuff
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Posted - 2003.09.10 19:04:00 -
[81]
How about CCP fixes the load-in lag nStuff. Since it's a client side issue.. If it were LAG people like me that pay $50 a month for the internet, we wouldn't also be affected by it.
5 R&D Agents, 10months, Zero BPO Offers..
Onboard navigational [Planetary Avoidance] computer.
My account will be suspended at the end of the current play period.
Expires on 19. September 2004 |
Joshua Calvert
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Posted - 2003.09.10 19:07:00 -
[82]
It's not the client.
It's not the graphics.
It's the time it takes the server to pass on the information about drone placement blah blah blah.
LEEEEERRRRRRRRRRROOOOOOOOOYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY! |
Joshua Calvert
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Posted - 2003.09.10 19:10:00 -
[83]
Quote:
Or so you say.
I'm curious.
Is your daddy bigger than my daddy?
LEEEEERRRRRRRRRRROOOOOOOOOYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY! |
Mr nStuff
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Posted - 2003.09.10 19:12:00 -
[84]
Or so you say.
Your invincible until all that is loaded.. It's the fact that the client has problems sorting that information out, this is the killer.. Because as far as the server is concerned, your in control of the game. But because the client is all bogged up, you in fact have no control.
5 R&D Agents, 10months, Zero BPO Offers..
Onboard navigational [Planetary Avoidance] computer.
My account will be suspended at the end of the current play period.
Expires on 19. September 2004 |
Joshua Calvert
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Posted - 2003.09.10 19:13:00 -
[85]
Hmmm, sounds entirely plausible, but the why's and wherefore's mean nothing to the victims of the lame tactic/code.
LEEEEERRRRRRRRRRROOOOOOOOOYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY! |
Mr nStuff
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Posted - 2003.09.10 19:14:00 -
[86]
Quote:
I'm curious.
Is your daddy bigger than my daddy?
My daddy lives more than 500 miles away.. Your daddy is probably in the next room.. So I can not give you an accurate size right away.
5 R&D Agents, 10months, Zero BPO Offers..
Onboard navigational [Planetary Avoidance] computer.
My account will be suspended at the end of the current play period.
Expires on 19. September 2004 |
Joshua Calvert
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Posted - 2003.09.10 19:16:00 -
[87]
Is it 500 miles because thats as close as he can physically get?
LEEEEERRRRRRRRRRROOOOOOOOOYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY! |
Mr nStuff
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Posted - 2003.09.10 19:21:00 -
[88]
I know you are but what am I? oh..
5 R&D Agents, 10months, Zero BPO Offers..
Onboard navigational [Planetary Avoidance] computer.
My account will be suspended at the end of the current play period.
Expires on 19. September 2004 |
Joshua Calvert
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Posted - 2003.09.10 19:22:00 -
[89]
Sticks and stones may break my bones, but names will never hurt me.
This thread should've been locked ages ago.
LEEEEERRRRRRRRRRROOOOOOOOOYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY! |
Absinthe Addict
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Posted - 2003.09.10 19:36:00 -
[90]
Edited by: Absinthe Addict on 10/09/2003 19:36:26
*chuckles at Jonathan while sipping absinthe*
Then I suggest Joshy boy, that if you feel this thread "should have been locked ages ago", it might be prudent that you not be the LOUDEST twit on a rant vous souteneur occupÚ simple des putains malades.
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Joshua Calvert
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Posted - 2003.09.10 19:45:00 -
[91]
Voulez-vous coucher avec moi ce soir?
LEEEEERRRRRRRRRRROOOOOOOOOYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY! |
cball
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Posted - 2003.09.10 19:48:00 -
[92]
Quote:
Sticks and stones may break my bones, but names will never hurt me.
This thread should've been locked ages ago.
...sure sounds like a child, a very immature one...
...fear the evil monkey in your hanger...
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Joshua Calvert
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Posted - 2003.09.10 19:49:00 -
[93]
Quote:
Quote:
Sticks and stones may break my bones, but names will never hurt me.
This thread should've been locked ages ago.
...sure sounds like a child, a very immature one...
I was being facetious because Mr nStuff and I decided to trade oblique insults.
LEEEEERRRRRRRRRRROOOOOOOOOYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY! |
cball
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Posted - 2003.09.10 19:54:00 -
[94]
Quote:
Quote:
Quote:
Sticks and stones may break my bones, but names will never hurt me.
This thread should've been locked ages ago.
...sure sounds like a child, a very immature one...
I was being facetious because Mr nStuff and I decided to trade oblique insults.
oh, so if one party is doing someting wrong, it's ok to act the same...? I think my post would apply to both involved parties...2 wrongs never equals a right (say it real slow several times now...)
...fear the evil monkey in your hanger...
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Joshua Calvert
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Posted - 2003.09.10 19:55:00 -
[95]
Now you and I are insulting each other!
I think I got nerfed.
LEEEEERRRRRRRRRRROOOOOOOOOYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY! |
Noctoz
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Posted - 2003.09.11 10:30:00 -
[96]
This is getting sooo old.
Please realize the only reason that one player used 3 miningdrones was becuase he had been mining and hadn't time to equip his combat drones.
I am not rich but I still have 10 times the combat drones I need just sitting there in my hangar so believe me what I say we no other reason to use harvesters. For gods sake think. Why use expensive drones of no use when you can pick up tons of combat drones with just a little npc pirate hunting.
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Luc Boye
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Posted - 2003.09.11 12:07:00 -
[97]
well makes sense.
so the people are implying that mining drone lags more then combat drone? for that is the only reason to have them out intentionally.
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PropanElgen
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Posted - 2003.09.11 12:15:00 -
[98]
What CCP should do:
1)
Make an option so you can choose what kind of network connection you have, or at least not optimize network packets for 33.6kbps modems.
2)
Mining Drones should not be launchable outside 200km from an asteroid belt.
All the angels and the puny men of god looked away...
Frightened to death by the evil that was born on that day!
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cball
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Posted - 2003.09.11 12:31:00 -
[99]
Quote:
This is getting sooo old.
Please realize the only reason that one player used 3 miningdrones was becuase he had been mining and hadn't time to equip his combat drones.
I am not rich but I still have 10 times the combat drones I need just sitting there in my hangar so believe me what I say we no other reason to use harvesters. For gods sake think. Why use expensive drones of no use when you can pick up tons of combat drones with just a little npc pirate hunting.
Sooo, you say you was mining at a jumpgate spawn in point....odd, never seen an astroid belt at any jumpgate spawn in points....COUGHCOUGHLIESCOUGHCOUGH
...fear the evil monkey in your hanger...
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Ubiq
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Posted - 2003.09.11 12:44:00 -
[100]
I don't think its anyones fault or intention to lag other players. For example, here's something I can reproduce regularly.
Go into a system with a lot of bodies (planets, asteroid fields) and hit the scanner, put "BY RANGE" and let it default to max range (enter a bunch of consecutive 0's).
While the scanner is working away, warp to an asteroid field. Now what happens to me is you don't see any asteroid field and if there are NPCs there they lock on you and start firing. You see you shields go down. However, you see no asteroids or NPCs until the scanner has stopped and returned with results.
So something is wrong with the syncronzation of events during high lag situations. Its hard for a player to say what causes lag or not, obviously more "stuff" will cause lag.
This is not as clear a case as "use of X module cause CTD so therefore use of X is an exploit".
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Trading Jones
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Posted - 2003.09.11 13:27:00 -
[101]
Why do so many ppl miss the whole point?
The point is that these pirates USE a flaw in the game engine. They camp the point where you end up after you've made a jump, and they deliberately launch so many drones as possible - with the sole purpose of making the poor sucker jumping lag so bad that they're able to warp jam you, webify you - and very often kill you BEFORE you're able to control your ship.
This is to USE a FLAW in the game engine to get an UNFAIR advantage := EXPLOIT.
Would any of the pirates using this tactic NOT admit that they get an UNFAIR advantage using this technique?
If you do, I believe you are a liar, on top of being an exploiter.
The sad thing is that it's no longer only pirates that uses this exploit.
Plz, ppl. Stop using this flaw. It's killing the fun of the game.
Where's the challenge in killing a ship that's out of control - that is condemned to death the moment it jumps?
And, CCP, a last pray to you: Start looking at the INTENT of ppl. If you are convinced ppls intent is to use flaws in the game engine to get an advantage - give one warning. 2nd warning: Ban 1 month. 3rd - permaban.
You might loose some money from subscriptions in the short run - but I'm convinced you'll earn on it in the long run! I, for one, would not stay too long in a game where I can get killed with no possible way to escape, and where those offenders that uses the flaws are NOT punished.
And that is even though I quite simply loves this game
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Ezra
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Posted - 2003.09.11 14:23:00 -
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Or so you say.
Your invincible until all that is loaded.. It's the fact that the client has problems sorting that information out, this is the killer.. Because as far as the server is concerned, your in control of the game. But because the client is all bogged up, you in fact have no control.
False. Invincibility is on a timer. If it takes longer than this timer to load (BTW, use control-alt-F12 if you doubt that the cause is network bandwidth limitations), then you have a chance of being podded before your client can even finish receiving all object data from the server.
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Ezra Cornell
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Ezra
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Posted - 2003.09.11 14:27:00 -
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What CCP should do:
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Make an option so you can choose what kind of network connection you have, or at least not optimize network packets for 33.6kbps modems.
This would present a highly uneven playing field based on the type of connection available to a user.
Not everyone can get broadband access.
The problem is not optimization for modems, the problem is misuse of available network bandwidth even on a modem connection. In the case of warping, average bandwidth usage during warp is a mere fraction of the capacity of almost any modem. It's not until the last second that bandwidth spikes a ridiculous amount. The easiest solution - Spread the bandwidth usage out over time to avoid the peak. Benefits modem and broadband users alike.
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Ezra Cornell
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DarkMatters
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Posted - 2003.09.11 14:48:00 -
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It seams so simple even a fool could understand but looking at some of these replies...
Firstly if they have no advantage from launching harvester drones then WHY DO IT. they do it to cause MORE LAG on the person entering the system --- if it didnÆt cause more lag and give them an advantage WHY would they do it??
I understand the ppl involved launched them because they didnÆt have any combat drones to launch instead but it is still only to cause lag,
Using combat drones for the purpose of causing lag cant be called an exploit because they are meant to be used in combat.
Remembering that last bit just ask your self :
1) Have CCP put harvester drones into this game to cause lag?
To me it seams clr
a)using combat drones to cause lag (and maybe fight as well) - fine but maybe against the sprit of the game 
b) Using harvester drones for the sole purpose of causing lag can only be considered an exploit
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Noctoz
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Posted - 2003.09.11 15:25:00 -
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This is getting sooo old.
Please realize the only reason that one player used 3 miningdrones was becuase he had been mining and hadn't time to equip his combat drones.
I am not rich but I still have 10 times the combat drones I need just sitting there in my hangar so believe me what I say we no other reason to use harvesters. For gods sake think. Why use expensive drones of no use when you can pick up tons of combat drones with just a little npc pirate hunting.
Sooo, you say you was mining at a jumpgate spawn in point....odd, never seen an astroid belt at any jumpgate spawn in points....COUGHCOUGHLIESCOUGHCOUGH
I have seen so many stupid commects on these boards lately but this one might take the price. THINK!!
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