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Mr nStuff	Posted - 2003.09.09 22:28:00 - [31] If you command the drones to Return and Orbit, they will no longer attack what you fire at. You would have to scoop them up and relaunch them, to get them to attack again. And Hammerheads have the same volume as Mining Drones. 5 R&D Agents, 10months, Zero BPO Offers.. Onboard navigational [Planetary Avoidance] computer. My account will be suspended at the end of the current play period. Expires on 19. September 2004
Yggdrassil	Posted - 2003.09.09 22:28:00 - [32] Veruna: I know there's not much WE can do about it - that the devs has to decide/fix it. What I wanted with this poll is to put some pressure on them :) Probably won't help - but it's all I can think of right now - since I don't wanna threat about quitting. Love this game too much :( Furthermore, I wished GM/Devs/whoever would start looking at the intent with the exploit affair. If someone does this or that with the intent of getting an unfair advantage, IT IS AN EXPLOIT! So EASY! So putting 1000 cans at a gate to deliberately cause lag for ppl warping in IS AN EXPLOIT! And launching 12-15 mining drones in gate or wherever when you're wanting someone to arrive so you can kill them IS AN EXPLOIT! Even launching 15 scout drones is an exploit IF you put them there only to cause lag for the opponent. There should be no need for warnings when you're cought doing it. In my opinion, first offense: 1 month ban. 2nd offense: Banned forever. Yggdrassil
Mr nStuff	Posted - 2003.09.09 22:32:00 - [33] quote: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- The server code is in pretty good shape so thereÆs no problem patching the server. The client is still unstable after heavy surgery. As soon as the client gets reasonably stable, we are good to go. The client has gone through a huge revamp making it more responsive and less laggy. A lot of cleanup has also been done in the core components of the client. All this will result in less memory leak, less memory usage, more responsive UI, and hopefully faster loading of in-space bubbles (warp-in lag). -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Dare to dream. 5 R&D Agents, 10months, Zero BPO Offers.. Onboard navigational [Planetary Avoidance] computer. My account will be suspended at the end of the current play period. Expires on 19. September 2004
Kashej	Posted - 2003.09.09 22:37:00 - [34] not exploit, actually they bugged they can cause damage but attack command is bugged. for the next round of stupid questions log with your main character, we wont bite. Good Luck O(o_o)O - y kotorogo net dryzei.
Jash Illian	Posted - 2003.09.09 22:38:00 - [35] Quote: Edited by: Drutort on 09/09/2003 22:28:13 Quote: Why aren't you glad they're using mining drones? They could be using combat drones instead and causing just as much lag _PLUS_ doing significant additional damage. Sounds to me like you should be thankful you only have the lag to deal with. you fail to see that cheap mining drones take less space then other drones? thus you can hold more of them? another reason would be to have those drones because they dont attack like combat drones thust hey just tay there.... as right now if you fire your guns your drones will go and attack that target... and you would probably lose them etc... the hole point is cheap more of and to cause lag and not to care about dmg because if they cared they would use scouts or whatever... nobody would probably say jump in points would be exploits if you had your ship loaded and could combat.. but you neither get the 10 sec and you dont get to have any modals on and you have no clue who is in local... thus making your chance to even see who blew you up zip and chance to escape 0 as well i mean dont you like those odds? you get to take out someone before they can even open fire and before they can even hit warp.. you dont even need a warp scram or a web none of those just hook your self up for fast lock and muchoo dmg!! and U R WINER and other is auto loser LOL you damn right that is not an exploit its just in odds of you wining about 100% Geez...you don't know anything about drones either. Acolytes and other light scout drones take up 50m3 units of space. That's right, half as much space as a harvester. Acolytes cost less than even Basic Mining Drones on the market. And, hey! They can actually cause damage too! The argument that people sent out 100k drone to create lag (and possibly lose those drones especially to a cruise missile) over a 5.1k Acolyte that would fill the same purpose, take up half as much space and cause damage on top of the lag they created (if that was the purpose) is rather thin. I mean its like you want corporations to oblige each other like its sex or something. Pffft I would rather *** my enemy.- Rohann Be careful out there. That other guy waiting in the queue for the gate MIGHT be a baby-munching frock-burner, YOU JUST DON'T KNOW!*- Lallante
Trading Jones	Posted - 2003.09.09 22:47:00 - [36] Quote: not exploit, actually they bugged they can cause damage but attack command is bugged. for the next round of stupid questions log with your main character, we wont bite. Grow up. I've raised questions I feel needs clarification. I've read other ppls replies, some well funded, some stupid - but I've respected their opinion. Had actually hoped this thread could be kept on subject, without comments about other ppls stupidity and stuff like that. If you'd like to comment on wether the INTENT with the Basic Mining drones being launched was to cause lag or not, I'd be grateful though...
Absinthe Addict	Posted - 2003.09.09 23:05:00 - [37] pondering the fine louche in the crystal glass of Pernot 68, catching a glimpse of "la fee verte" Trading Jones hoping to trade in answers, Trading Jones with a "jones" for the truth, and yet Trading Jones still wonders without confirmation. I on the other had wonder about nothing nor seek confirmation on what I've already deduced, my fellow denizens of Eve. Perhaps you all noticed which character of which corporation was the first to take the field in answering this most valid of queries? sipping absinthe, savoring the overtones of anise In my honest opinion (mirrored by my esteemed absinthe swilling colleagues and admirers) our "bovine" friends again push the limits seeking vindication for being le morceau fÚtide de merde qui a chutÚ de l'Ône de l'univers de jeu. Les vaches marchent dans leur propre merde et alimentent sur celle qu'elles ont la merde dessus, non? Does this surprise any of you? chuckles and sips more absinthe Simply put this is an infantile repeat of the "cargo container" exploit that CCP put a screeching halt to, using drones to create lag waves of enormous proportions. Our cud chewing simpletons then stand back proud of what they've looted, whimsically proclaiming that using mining drones at the entry point to a solar system with the absence of asteroids obvious pour Úgaliser l'imbÚcile d'idiot le plus innÚ isn't an exploit. sips more absinthe and after swallowing the beautiful green elixir, hums a few bars of the well known song "Three Blind Mice" while glancing at CCP then turning to disdainfully look at the "Got Milk?" corporation Although I admire the hard work that the Polaris and GM teams put forth in helping individuals, I feel they've missed the mark here. Given enough time (and the exploit cues which will burst at the seams over this) this too will be changed. More whining, more groaning, more ****ing and more moaning are quite the course for the day. More flaming will ensue, more "carebear" accusations will be catapulted into the air like so much confetti. chuckles again, sipping more absinthe* La vie est merde, oui?
Tank CEO	Posted - 2003.09.09 23:14:00 - [38] Just to clear some things up. In Sarum Prime I camped the in-jump from Amarr and about made 30 million that day from getting industrials. I didn't use containers to lag anyone out and I only had 3 drones out when I camped. So after about a day of having fun, GM comes on and says im exploiting. "Taking advantage of a flaw in the loading time" is the exploit that I didn't know. So anywas, whoever is camping the in-jump is a exploit and especially for pirates, becarefull, ccp dislikes us so they want to have a reason to ban you so becarefull.. ---
Kashej	Posted - 2003.09.09 23:21:00 - [39] To many whiners playing this game, who need a clarification on how to reload your ammo or how to enable your autopilot. Good Luck O(o_o)O - y kotorogo net dryzei.
Shock	Posted - 2003.09.09 23:23:00 - [40] Quote: ccp dislikes us so they want to have a reason to ban you so becarefull.. Typical... What did you think about the plan to disable instajumping with bookmarks? What did you think of the disabling of MWD in warp? CCP isn't after you Tank, they are trying to balance. So that means you either have fun OR you make money. That means NOT making 30M while having fun blowing up indies with ease... But then again you ofcourse now consider me a carebear and as such reject all sound arguments as whining. --- soonÖ

Master Scy	Posted - 2003.09.09 23:36:00 - [41] If people are really using mining drones at jump-in points, then there's no valid reason I can think of other than to create lag. The argument that it's done to make it harder to target the pirate is also flawed as your ship automatically targets the first ship to lock on you... ----------------------------- You think Marco Polo said "Damn Mongolians were camping that cave entry into the next valley the entire day, you can't get friggin anywhere in the world with those damn griefer tribes all over the place" ? -Indigo Seqi
Mr nStuff	Posted - 2003.09.09 23:39:00 - [42] I thought Tank CEO was suspended for using the -10.0 standing exploit. 5 R&D Agents, 10months, Zero BPO Offers.. Onboard navigational [Planetary Avoidance] computer. My account will be suspended at the end of the current play period. Expires on 19. September 2004
H3R0	Posted - 2003.09.09 23:56:00 - [43] Well, harvesters take the same size as hammerheads, yes. But what drone are used most harvester or hammerhead I guess pirates uses heavy drones or harvesters for mining, why buy hammerheads then? Well and I see some ppl talking bout that it is right doing this and some of thos eppl hav ebeen banned for an day earlier for exploits so I nderstand they like an new one. CEO - The Allies
Kynoch	Posted - 2003.09.09 23:56:00 - [44] This is pretty interesting actually. I have been playing online games a long time and M0o was in Tribes and other games as well in the past and known as big exploiters, cheats whatever. On the whole they made the experience much less enjoyable and lowered my general opinion of humanity.
Jorev	Posted - 2003.09.10 00:07:00 - [45] I could care less about the use of drones, it's the camping of zone ins that is the exploit. People like Tank and M0o have it all figured out. They know CCP lacks the will to permaban them, so they will push the envelope and push the GMS around all they want.
Ends	Posted - 2003.09.10 00:11:00 - [46] Releasing non combat drones in an effort to lag an enemy with no combat purpose besides that is a exploit. It uses the game mechanics to gain an advantage without a real intent to use the drones for anything but lagging the enemy. Its not good combat and its not good for gameplay. Once again people are more interested in breaking the game than competeting in it. Using combat drones is perfectly lagit. I think people who are interested in breaking the game instead of competeting it should get the heavy end of the bann stick to the noggin.
Ends	Posted - 2003.09.10 00:13:00 - [47] Its like playing chess with someone while they try to kick over the table.
Trading Jones	Posted - 2003.09.10 00:25:00 - [48] Quote: Releasing non combat drones in an effort to lag an enemy with no combat purpose besides that is a exploit. It uses the game mechanics to gain an advantage without a real intent to use the drones for anything but lagging the enemy. Its not good combat and its not good for gameplay. Once again people are more interested in breaking the game than competeting in it. Using combat drones is perfectly lagit. I think people who are interested in breaking the game instead of competeting it should get the heavy end of the bann stick to the noggin. Agree and disagree with you. Releasing combat drones if the purpose is to USE them is legit. On the other hand, if the purpose is to cause lag - it's not. I know it's hard, maybe impossible to distinct the differense, for a GM or Dev. Just want to make the point: If you do this or that with the sole PURPOSE of causing lag or use a flaw to gain an unfair advantage - IT'S AN EXPLOIT.
cball	Posted - 2003.09.10 00:42:00 - [49] Quote: Lola, The pouncers thing IS a good tactic apart from the fact those "guys" knew it would cause severe lag and leave the victims unable to respond and have no recourse to avoid the situation. "An exploit is when someone takes advantage of a bypass in normal game mechanics, allowing him to take advantage of you without you having any means of preventing it whatsoever." Well said, this is why it is being looked at as an exploit by the GM's at this time. We can only hope that CCP will finaly show the balls to ban them this time. ...fear the evil monkey in your hanger...
cball	Posted - 2003.09.10 00:45:00 - [50] Quote: Quote: You're right, everyone should reboot their client before jumping into a system, each and every time, since the lag is on our end. /sarcasm off Yes stupid people.. The lag is on your end. Stop whining.. I admit m0o is probably exploiting the client-side memory leak issues.. I do not condone their actions. They are probably all a bunch of CS rejects.. Big F'in deal.. Go around there lame ass blockade you morons.. If you must go straight through it. I suggest you reboot the client before jumping into the target area. Try it. Then come back and say, "You were right Mr nStuff.. You the man"... Until then STHU.. Troll, go away, stop insulting people. Learn a thing or two, pay attention, then you may be able to remove that foot from your mouth! ...fear the evil monkey in your hanger...

cball	Posted - 2003.09.10 00:46:00 - [51] Quote: To many whiners playing this game, who need a clarification on how to reload your ammo or how to enable your autopilot. Ya, exploit users calling players whiners... grow up already ...fear the evil monkey in your hanger...
Stavros	Posted - 2003.09.10 00:53:00 - [52] i love you all -- "Keep On Flaming Lamers, Like Your Ships Did When We Ended You"
Shadamm IV	Posted - 2003.09.10 00:55:00 - [53] What I find pathetic is its the same people over and over doing this. I realize I wasnt playing back in the Mara gate days but Ive read the forums how m0o would exploit with cargo containers. Now theyre exploiting with drones. Before that it was stacked modules that multiplied benefit improperly. If people would look at WHO is doing this rather then the act itself they'd see its the same griefing troublemakers who do everything else wrong and come up with these very marginal tactics over and over again. Its obvious they know how to find an exploit and will use it until its corrected. CCP needs to get a clue and toss them out of the game.
Trading Jones	Posted - 2003.09.10 01:18:00 - [54] I didn't mention any pirate corp when I started this thread on purpose. With all the comments about mOo doing this and that, I feel I got to state one thing for the record: As far as I could see, mOo was NOT involved it the episode when I got podded. I have encountered mOo camping some gates, taken some pounding - but been able to get away alive. So far... :) But I NEVER encountered mOo using exploits all those times when I've run like crazy to reach gate, or warp back. Just for the record
cball	Posted - 2003.09.10 01:53:00 - [55] Quote: I didn't mention any pirate corp when I started this thread on purpose. With all the comments about mOo doing this and that, I feel I got to state one thing for the record: As far as I could see, mOo was NOT involved it the episode when I got podded. I have encountered mOo camping some gates, taken some pounding - but been able to get away alive. So far... :) But I NEVER encountered mOo using exploits all those times when I've run like crazy to reach gate, or warp back. Just for the record You sound like a truely honest and polite person. It is rare to have someone with honor in the game. ...fear the evil monkey in your hanger...
Carcharodon	Posted - 2003.09.10 02:24:00 - [56] cant wait to see 50 player owned sentry guns at the jump in point
Jash Illian	Posted - 2003.09.10 02:46:00 - [57] Quote: Quote: Releasing non combat drones in an effort to lag an enemy with no combat purpose besides that is a exploit. It uses the game mechanics to gain an advantage without a real intent to use the drones for anything but lagging the enemy. Its not good combat and its not good for gameplay. Once again people are more interested in breaking the game than competeting in it. Using combat drones is perfectly lagit. I think people who are interested in breaking the game instead of competeting it should get the heavy end of the bann stick to the noggin. Agree and disagree with you. Releasing combat drones if the purpose is to USE them is legit. On the other hand, if the purpose is to cause lag - it's not. I know it's hard, maybe impossible to distinct the differense, for a GM or Dev. Just want to make the point: If you do this or that with the sole PURPOSE of causing lag or use a flaw to gain an unfair advantage - IT'S AN EXPLOIT. Having your drones outside of your ship is the same as having ammo in your guns. You don't waste the time preparing to attack when your target is already in front of you. It makes no sense to lose time in preparation when in those scant few seconds you may find yourself jammed/sensor inhibited/launching drones with an incoming missile attack. I mean its like you want corporations to oblige each other like its sex or something. Pffft I would rather *** my enemy.- Rohann Be careful out there. That other guy waiting in the queue for the gate MIGHT be a baby-munching frock-burner, YOU JUST DON'T KNOW!*- Lallante
cball	Posted - 2003.09.10 03:17:00 - [58] Edited by: cball on 10/09/2003 03:22:14 Quote: To many whiners playing this game, who need a clarification on how to reload your ammo or how to enable your autopilot. Typical...call people whiners when you are caught breaking the rules ...fear the evil monkey in your hanger...
Skelator	Posted - 2003.09.10 03:47:00 - [59] Edited by: Skelator on 10/09/2003 03:48:46 Edited by: Skelator on 10/09/2003 03:48:15 Quote: Quote: Ok, so if I'm understanding this right then your saying that if I use my mining drones to mine in a system and they create lag for those entering the system, that I'm using an exploit? Tho I could be wrong, a little on the tired side. Nah, they mean that using drones to create lag at the jump-in point (after jumping through a jumpgate) to lag you and increase the time it takes to load the system and objects. Theres a Very Simple solution. Miner drones can only deploy in a asteroid field. End of Exploit End Transmission ATH0+++ NO CARRIER They have us Surrounded again.. the Poor Bastards
Jash Illian	Posted - 2003.09.10 03:50:00 - [60] Quote: Edited by: cball on 10/09/2003 03:22:14 Quote: To many whiners playing this game, who need a clarification on how to reload your ammo or how to enable your autopilot. Typical...call people whiners when you are caught breaking the rules I agree. Too many people complaining. People demanding CCP declare something an exploit when they're neither qualified nor impartial enough to make any demand of such sort. People complaining the pirates won't let them get to bistot. When the whole reason the pirates are there is because many of those same people complained so much CCP locked down empire space and made it lethal for a pirate to be there. People complaining so much about drones being an exploit, they come up with the laughably stupid demand to have them removed. Apparently TomB doesn't agree: Quote: Drones Drones have been increased in defences and abit in damage output, also they fly at longer range now from target so missiles shouldn't always take out all your drones. I mean its like you want corporations to oblige each other like its sex or something. Pffft I would rather *** my enemy.- Rohann Be careful out there. That other guy waiting in the queue for the gate MIGHT be a baby-munching frock-burner, YOU JUST DON'T KNOW!*- Lallante



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