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Nexus Day
Lustrevik Trade and Travel Bureau
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Posted - 2014.01.09 03:26:00 -
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With Odyssey the lewt spew mechanic evoked much gnashing of teeth. Ghost sites not so much.
So are they good or just not used? This thread has so much content it may be 'Thread of the Year' and it is only January.
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Riot Girl
You'll Cowards Don't Even Smoke Crack
2340
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Posted - 2014.01.09 03:27:00 -
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I still don't know what a ghost site is. Oh god. |
Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
4102
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Posted - 2014.01.09 03:30:00 -
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Riot Girl wrote:I still don't know what a ghost site is.
New sites.
They appear on discovery scanner like any other side you don't have to scan for. They have hackable containers that don't loot spew.
Beware the self destruct though I lost a lot of ISK to them. |
Riot Girl
You'll Cowards Don't Even Smoke Crack
2340
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Posted - 2014.01.09 03:32:00 -
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Oh yeah, I remember now. Thanks. Oh god. |
Eurydia Vespasian
Storm Hunters
4890
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Posted - 2014.01.09 03:44:00 -
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I thought I read they were supposed to be in wormholes too...I've yet to see a single one in mine. |
silens vesica
Corsair Cartel
2875
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Posted - 2014.01.09 03:47:00 -
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I've seen a few. Haven't bothered with any of them. Tell someone you love them today, because life is short. But scream it at them in Esperanto, because life is also terrifying and confusing.
Didn't vote? Then you voted for NulBloc |
Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
8997
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Posted - 2014.01.09 04:07:00 -
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I dont believe in Ghost Sites.
Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings? |
Old Phill
Republic University Minmatar Republic
44
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Posted - 2014.01.09 09:21:00 -
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seen a fair few but more often than not when i find one im hardly fit to run it and havnt anything nearby that could |
Annathalia Blood
Native Freshfood Minmatar Republic
16
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Posted - 2014.01.09 09:37:00 -
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Never tried one. |
Lipbite
Express Hauler
1708
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Posted - 2014.01.09 09:41:00 -
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Check auctions for Ascendancy implants (especially Omega) and you'll get a clue how often players actually do these sites.
I've tried them on test server and didn't bother since then. Yet another half-finished feature to fill up the space so bi-annual patch can be named "expansion" ("look, we have whole new mini-game in this expansion!"). |
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Nevyn Auscent
Broke Sauce
879
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Posted - 2014.01.09 09:44:00 -
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The issue is actually that they are too rare. I can travel a large number of jumps and never see one. The only one I've seen vanished five seconds after I got in system (All of four people in system that day). That's why the market will be crazy high/scarce on Ascendancies. Straight up lack of supply. |
Jaxon Grylls
Institute of Archaeology
51
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Posted - 2014.01.09 09:54:00 -
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Yes, I've tried one or two. Obviously I'm not doing it right as I got burned badly on the last one I did.
Started hacking and within 25 seconds or so boom, there goes my Iskur.
So they are about but I need to sort out how to tank my ship so as to stand a chance of looting before I blow up. |
Inxentas Ultramar
Ultramar Independent Contracting Home Front Coalition
1122
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Posted - 2014.01.09 10:34:00 -
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Tried one in a tanked Cruiser in lowsec, but was ill-equipped. Survived the blast but didn't have a cargo scanner on me, so only got 1 random can which just had some tools or something. Not good, not bad, just entirely random and not really something I'd go look for in a shiney Stratios. |
Adamski flipflop
Black Omega Security Goonswarm Federation
10
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Posted - 2014.01.09 10:40:00 -
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I tried to do run one and it vanished before I even had a chance to hack the cans |
Apocryphal Noise
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
90
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Posted - 2014.01.09 11:02:00 -
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The decryptors or whatever the hell they are that drop from them are worth a bit, the bpc's are fairly worthless because the meta versions of the deployable's just aren't in demand. The sites are rare enough and mediocre enough that it's not worth building a dedicated ship to run them. Move on to the next relic site with your covops instead.
Not only that you're even more subject to hacking rng than usual. If you blow up a can because you get a bad board the site despawns.
Overall they're really uninteresting and there's hardly any content to them. Hard to believe they passed it off as 'the' expansion feature. |
Seth Darkness
Friends of Honor
3
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Posted - 2014.01.09 11:13:00 -
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I run them with my tengu. Get in scan for the implant quickly access it and run the other cans for the covert modules that sell for 500k each. Worst site gave me about 80mil. Best one got me 300 mil. |
Zaknussem
Everybody Loves Donuts
63
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Posted - 2014.01.09 11:21:00 -
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I've tried running Ghost sites twice.
The first time I only looted the can with the best loot and warped off, made about 25 mill off of that.
The second time I got blasted by the rats that spawn in-site, because they used the dubious tactic of NOT SHOWING UP ON THE OVERVIEW.
I checked my overview settings, everything relevant was ticked. They should have appeared. Unless they're rogue Concord Billboards or spiteful asteroids looking for payback.
If you think the rats not showing up on the overview is not a problem, keep in mind that the hacking window is this large, bloated window that takes up way too much screen space. |
ChromeStriker
The Riot Formation Fatal Ascension
685
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Posted - 2014.01.09 12:43:00 -
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Im looking.... never find any tho... - Nulla Curas |
Signal11th
DARKNESS.
1249
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Posted - 2014.01.09 12:59:00 -
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Haven't seen one since they were released. Powered by-áreaTh-áFilter V1.23 "All posts by this pilot are personal held views and not representitive of-áany-ácorp or alliance I am currently a member of. Like I'd give a-ásh*t anyway. God Said "Come Forth and receive eternal life!" I came fifth and won a toaster. |
Vol Arm'OOO
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
191
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Posted - 2014.01.09 14:30:00 -
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Ghost sites are the new officer spawns -- everybody talks about them but no one has really truly seen one. Ok - that is an overstatement - from looking at the market I know that there is somebody out there who actually finds these things, but who these people are is a mystery. It seems a strange thing for CCP to anchor an expansion on - pve content that is only seen and/or run by the lucky 1%. I don't play, I just fourm warrior. |
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Seven Koskanaiken
Sons Of Saints Circle-Of-Two
709
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Posted - 2014.01.09 14:34:00 -
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I've run 3, 2 has implant BPCs, 1 had junk. The implants don't seem to pay out as much considering how rarely the site spawns, if they are going to be used for something to do with new stargates it might be worth hoarding them. |
Notorious Fellon
Republic University Minmatar Republic
96
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Posted - 2014.01.09 14:35:00 -
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I have found 6 of these sites. In every one, the rats did not show up on overview. Not sure how that made it past QA. |
Czeris
Wildly Inappropriate Goonswarm Federation
111
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Posted - 2014.01.09 14:42:00 -
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Notorious Fellon wrote:I have found 6 of these sites. In every one, the rats did not show up on overview. Not sure how that made it past QA.
It doesn't matter since they aren't meant to be killed, and don't drop anything.
I've done about 20 of these so far in Null and Wormholes. They are highly underwhelming. They take all of 2 minutes to run, and they drop extremely limited things. I was expecting some kind of depth to them, but no. They drop sell loot, bpcs and some components to build the bpcs. Implants that no one uses and the Mobile depot.
Yawn. |
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CCP Logibro
C C P C C P Alliance
243
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Posted - 2014.01.09 15:04:00 -
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Moved to Missions & Complexes CCP Logibro // EVE Universe Community Team // Distributor of Nanites
@CCP_Logibro |
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Batelle
Komm susser Tod
1175
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Posted - 2014.01.09 15:17:00 -
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Nexus Day wrote:With Odyssey the lewt spew mechanic evoked much gnashing of teeth. Ghost sites not so much.
So are they good or just not used?
Yes ghost sites exist. Yes their stuff is making its way into the market place. What is the question exactly?
Notorious Fellon wrote:I have found 6 of these sites. In every one, the rats did not show up on overview. Not sure how that made it past QA.
New stuff tends to never show up on the overview by default. Ghost site NPCs not appearing there is not an anomaly compared to previous expansions that included new stuff. "CCP is changing policy, and has asked that we discontinue the bonus credit program after November 7th. So until then, enjoy a super-bonus of 1B Blink Credit for each 60-day GTC you buy!"
Never forget. |
Ginger Barbarella
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
1844
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Posted - 2014.01.09 17:24:00 -
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You know, I came across around seven in Gallente and Amarr space over the course of the first 2-3 days after their introduction... haven't seen a single one since. Worth it? Dunno, depends on whether you're actively hunting them down to do them or if you happen to see one. If it's a chance thing while running anoms, sure, why not. Just make sure the ship you're using can take the damage. If you're actively hunting them, not worth the time at all. Best I've gotten from the ones I've done are a couple Villard Wheels (??) and a couple implant blueprints. Other than that I'll stick to commander wrecks in combat anoms. "Blow it all on Quafe and strippers." --- Sorlac |
Rekkr Nordgard
The Ardency of Faith
255
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Posted - 2014.01.09 17:39:00 -
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Seen two or three, didn't bother trying to run them. |
Baron Chauman
Dread Phoenix Society Fidelas Constans
2
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Posted - 2014.01.09 18:12:00 -
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Found quite a few in null, ran most of them and lost a stratios and anathema so far.
Jumping around in a ship specifically looking for them I think is barely worth it, even with the warp speed of an anathema, since they're so damn rare.
Doing them in a ship that can tank them alongside looking for relic sites they are definitely nice.
I've seen a Yurt bpc in the one that blew up my anathema. |
dexington
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
1037
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Posted - 2014.01.09 19:14:00 -
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When you consider at entire expansion is build around ghost sites, i could say they are awful.
It was worth it to actively search for them the first week, when the items was actually worth something. I used a route that would take me through around 50 system, which was close to half the region where is was searching for ghost sites. It took me around 1 hour, using a travel fit covert/nullified T3, and i would maybe find a site half the runs i did.
On average it took me 2 hours to find a site, where you need to be lucky to get more then 100M now, and the sites take a couple of minutes to clear.
2 hours work, 2 minutes fun, less then 100M reward... just not worth it!... the site might be great for new players who just got into a cruiser and 100M is more then they got in their wallet, but it's a waste of time for older player who already have a steady income.
I'm a relatively respectable citizen. Multiple felon perhaps, but certainly not dangerous. |
Batelle
Komm susser Tod
1179
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Posted - 2014.01.09 19:22:00 -
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dexington wrote:When you consider at entire expansion is build around ghost sites, i could say they are awful.
I would agree, except that the expansion wasn't built around ghost sites at all. "CCP is changing policy, and has asked that we discontinue the bonus credit program after November 7th. So until then, enjoy a super-bonus of 1B Blink Credit for each 60-day GTC you buy!"
Never forget. |
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Zaknussem
Everybody Loves Donuts
63
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Posted - 2014.01.09 20:34:00 -
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Czeris wrote:Notorious Fellon wrote:I have found 6 of these sites. In every one, the rats did not show up on overview. Not sure how that made it past QA. It doesn't matter since they aren't meant to be killed, and don't drop anything.
Er... wut?
If it's an object in space, it should be possible to have it on the overview.
If it's an object in space that tries to kill you, it should MOST DEFINITELY be possible to have it on the overview. Period. |
dexington
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
1037
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Posted - 2014.01.09 20:55:00 -
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Zaknussem wrote:Czeris wrote:Notorious Fellon wrote:I have found 6 of these sites. In every one, the rats did not show up on overview. Not sure how that made it past QA. It doesn't matter since they aren't meant to be killed, and don't drop anything. Er... wut? If it's an object in space, it should be possible to have it on the overview. If it's an object in space that tries to kill you, it should MOST DEFINITELY be possible to have it on the overview. Period.
To be honest i really can't remember if it was fixed, or i just got use to them not showing in overview, but i think it was fixed shortly after the release. They spawn, warp scram you, the containers explode and they warp off, it's all takes 10-15 sec, so it's not a huge problem not seeing them in overview.
They are not standard pirate rats, if they don't show up in overview it could be because of the filter settings. I'm a relatively respectable citizen. Multiple felon perhaps, but certainly not dangerous. |
Celia Therone
University of Caille Gallente Federation
61
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Posted - 2014.01.09 21:11:00 -
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Batelle wrote:dexington wrote:When you consider at entire expansion is build around ghost sites, i could say they are awful.
I would agree, except that the expansion wasn't built around ghost sites at all. Well the trailer for the expansion featured ghost sites, and it's ghost sites that they are advertising currently on youtube for Eve so it seems like CCP advertising thinks that it was the cornerstone of the expansion at least.
Zaknussem wrote:The second time I got blasted by the rats that spawn in-site, because they used the dubious tactic of NOT SHOWING UP ON THE OVERVIEW.
I checked my overview settings, everything relevant was ticked. They should have appeared. Unless they're rogue Concord Billboards or spiteful asteroids looking for payback.
If you think the rats not showing up on the overview is not a problem, keep in mind that the hacking window is this large, bloated window that takes up way too much screen space. I also got popped by the rats that didn't show up on the overview. The next site I cloaked and motored off into the distance until the rats spawned and I right clicked on one and added it to the overview. However the overview does not actually contain a setting for this rat so I can't tell you what it was.
I've spent the last few minutes hunting around for ways to access this information from the data files that CCP saves but they seem to have gone to considerable trouble to make it hard to do. Exporting the overview settings doesn't work. Honestly kind of annoyed at CCP right now. It really should not be this difficult to document such a poorly implemented feature.
If someone cares to tell me how to extract this information from CCP's named files then I'll tell you what the overview code of the rat that I toggled is. |
Mnemosyne Gloob
Acerbus Vindictum Stealth Wear Inc.
172
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Posted - 2014.01.11 02:00:00 -
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The question is who wants ascendancy implants? i just don't see the market (compared to, lets say, slaves or crystals). Depots is kinda the same. Wetu specs are so it's not spectacular, Yurt might be a bit better - but still, it is a very niche market.
Only thing is that the 'materials' prices are held up by NPC buy orders atm (i think i remember reading something to that effect). |
Chill5
The Scope Gallente Federation
3
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Posted - 2014.01.18 07:30:00 -
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Nexus Day wrote:With Odyssey the lewt spew mechanic evoked much gnashing of teeth. Ghost sites not so much.
So are they good or just not used?
I'm just back to the game from a longish break, and the loot-spew thing caused my jaw to fall open. It's exactly what I would choose to do to make something pointlessly difficult. Add to that the pointless circuit board interface where no interface existed before, and you have a double load of crap. CCP have converted a simple process into a time consuming and seemingly pointless activity.
I'm yet to find a ghost site, but my enthusiasm for exploration has waned considerably following these changes.
loot-spew? wtf were they thinking...?
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Oxide Ammar
Equilibrium Tech Labs
40
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Posted - 2014.01.18 10:04:00 -
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Haven't seen one since they were released. |
Christopher Multsanti
Euphoria Released Triumvirate.
6
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Posted - 2014.01.18 12:34:00 -
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Celia Therone wrote:I also got popped by the rats that didn't show up on the overview.
Were you afk?
Here are ghost sites: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1fjOYeW-xRw |
Batelle
Komm susser Tod
1295
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Posted - 2014.01.18 20:40:00 -
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Mnemosyne Gloob wrote:The question is who wants ascendancy implants? i just don't see the market (compared to, lets say, slaves or crystals). Depots is kinda the same. Wetu specs are so it's not spectacular, Yurt might be a bit better - but still, it is a very niche market.
Only thing is that the 'materials' prices are held up by NPC buy orders atm (i think i remember reading something to that effect).
I feel like a lot of people would buy ascendancies if they didn't require hundreds of millions in PI materials to build. Their base cost is just above what people are willing to pay in decent numbers. This in turn devalues the blueprints and ghost sites as a whole.
As for the mobile depots, wetu is useless by design. They would justify their existence better if higher meta levels meant smaller volume when packaged in your cargo. That is actually something people would pay for. "CCP is changing policy, and has asked that we discontinue the bonus credit program after November 7th. So until then, enjoy a super-bonus of 1B Blink Credit for each 60-day GTC you buy!"
Never forget. |
Loraine Gess
Confedeferate Union of Tax Legalists
54
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Posted - 2014.01.19 10:53:00 -
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Mnemosyne Gloob wrote:The question is who wants ascendancy implants? i just don't see the market (compared to, lets say, slaves or crystals). Depots is kinda the same. Wetu specs are so it's not spectacular, Yurt might be a bit better - but still, it is a very niche market.
Only thing is that the 'materials' prices are held up by NPC buy orders atm (i think i remember reading something to that effect).
Freighter pilots.
Dear god my freighter pilots could use some ascendancy sets. |
Nuela
Beacon Light Corporation Beacon Light Alliance
230
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Posted - 2014.01.27 20:09:00 -
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I was in a ghost site once...then some damned meddling kids and a dog showed up and ripped my face off after I chased the dog and one stoned ugly kid around for a bit. |
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Jenn aSide
STK Scientific Initiative Mercenaries
4500
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Posted - 2014.01.27 20:23:00 -
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Nuela wrote:I was in a ghost site once...then some damned meddling kids and a dog showed up and ripped my face off after I chased the dog and one stoned ugly kid around for a bit.
I too think of scooby doo when stoned :) .
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Abdul 'aleem
Sumiko Yoshida Corporation
152
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Posted - 2014.01.29 02:59:00 -
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Nexus Day wrote:With Odyssey the lewt spew mechanic evoked much gnashing of teeth. Ghost sites not so much.
So are they good or just not used?
They are good, but there is a risk of losing the ship you take into them, so be careful.
Also, use a cargo scanner to see inside the crates and only hack the ones with prime loot.
You most often won't be able to hack all of the crates and time is really important. There is a suggestion in Forums & Ideas that will make it harder for griefers to grief missioners. Unique Mission Item Theft Rebalance
Be sure to "like" the original post if you support it. |
Ginger Barbarella
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
1853
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Posted - 2014.01.29 22:46:00 -
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I pass some by almost every day in my roaming around, mostly because I don't have a fit to do the clicky game. The ones I -do- find when in a probing ship are meh; get one can open, contains mere scraps of Villard Wheels or the R.Db stuff, and the rest go boom. Really not worth getting excited over. "Blow it all on Quafe and strippers." --- Sorlac |
Ginger Barbarella
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
1853
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Posted - 2014.01.29 22:48:00 -
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Notorious Fellon wrote:I have found 6 of these sites. In every one, the rats did not show up on overview. Not sure how that made it past QA.
They're a different type of NPC rats; you have to add them. "Blow it all on Quafe and strippers." --- Sorlac |
Celia Therone
University of Caille Gallente Federation
66
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Posted - 2014.02.01 22:24:00 -
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Found another site. Two types of rats spawned eventually Serpentis Watcher and Serpentis Warden.
Right clicking on the rats identified them as "Ghost Sites Serpentis Crui8ser" and they could be added to the overview via right-click. However there is no actual entry on the overview settings for them so I don't think that you can add them in-game without right clicking on the actual ship.
I am fairly sure that the ones I saw previously were Guristas so each race has its own overview entry and, presumably, harder sites will spawn battleships so you'd have to add those separately as well. |
FT Diomedes
The Graduates RAZOR Alliance
342
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Posted - 2014.02.02 05:50:00 -
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I run them whenever I see one. http://eveion.blogspot.com/ |
Zappity
Kurved Space
786
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Posted - 2014.02.02 07:18:00 -
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Dunno, never seen one. Zappity's Adventures for a taste of lowsec. |
Corraidhin Farsaidh
Hello-There
159
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Posted - 2014.02.02 16:59:00 -
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I run the hi-sec ones whenever I find them, have already built one implant and am working on the next, but waiting fot the first to sell yet! |
Ex Ratt
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2014.02.02 18:40:00 -
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Celia Therone wrote:Found another site. Two types of rats spawned eventually Serpentis Watcher and Serpentis Warden.
Right clicking on the rats identified them as "Ghost Sites Serpentis Cruiser" and they could be added to the overview via right-click. However there is no actual entry on the overview settings for them so I don't think that you can add them in-game without right clicking on the actual ship.
I am fairly sure that the ones I saw previously were Guristas so each race has its own overview entry and, presumably, harder sites will spawn battleships so you'd have to add those separately as well.
I had the same problem with the rats not showing in my overview, but it seems to work now. See my thread in the issues and workaround forums: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&find=unread&t=306632
(hint: you may need to unselect and select Pirate NPC - when it doesn't work, then you may have to re-install) |
Cheng Musana
Purple Space Ponys AAA Citizens
53
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Posted - 2014.02.02 19:36:00 -
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Ive done a few of them in a helios. I usually cherry pick the can and then GTFO out of there. The best drop that i had so far was the "yurt" mobile depot BPC. The implants are way too expensive for my taste in terms of manufacturing while the mobile depots are really cheap to build and go for quite a nice amount of ISK. |
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DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
20871
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Posted - 2014.02.02 22:05:00 -
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A few days ago I was exploring a high sec dead-end pocket and happened to notice 3 Angel Ghost Sites located within a couple of jumps from each other.
Due to the lack of available info pertaining to these sites coupled with players posting threads about high DPS resulting in ship loss, I contacted a friend to help me run the sites. Neither of us had ever run Ghost Sites before and didn't know what to expect.
My friend had two shield logistic Osprey's to support my DPS Loki. He maintained 25 km range from the cans due to rumors of massive DPS within a 10km blast range. My Loki normally has between 80 to 90 percent resists across the board with over 750 shield point boost every 3.2 seconds. With dual Logi's fleeted we figured it was a good set up.
Since the rats are basically ghosts that don't show on the overview and due to the mini hacking game filling most of the screen, my friend was the lookout and would notify me when rats warped into the site.
We warped to 0 at first site to see 4 cans sitting about 25km range from each other, I hacked one can, half dozen rats warp in, scrammed me, destroyed the cans and then warped out. The whole ordeal lasted a couple of minutes max. Both of us were sitting there wide eyed saying WTF?
Both my friend and I had to manually add the ghost rats to our overview at the first site.
At the second site I was able to hack two cans before the ghost rats showed up who then scrammed one of the Logi's. At the third site I was able to hack three cans before the ghost rats showed up who once again scrammed my Loki.
The rats also took a few shots at me before they warped out. At the first two sites I didn't really notice much damage from the destroyed cans since the explosion happened while traveling to the next can. At the 3rd site I was still hacking and looting when the cans were destroyed resulting in 1313 DPS.
DMC |
Sum Olgy
Future Corps Sleeper Social Club
54
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Posted - 2014.02.05 16:40:00 -
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There's plenty around, it's just people hardly ever use both scanning windows.
You can lead a horse to water........ |
Cyberbitch
Cybersalvage Inc.
1
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Posted - 2014.02.10 11:16:00 -
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the problem i got with them is needing the proper tank which isn't the same i use for my other exploration endeavors. refitting each time i see one is tedious. so i usually don't do them. |
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