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Jessie Banda
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Posted - 2006.03.21 14:37:00 -
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Edited by: Jessie Banda on 21/03/2006 14:38:16
It has for a long time bothered me to see that fansites, that are more or less, sponsored, or at least favoured by CCP, continiously advertise for isk selling ventures. For example www.eve-radio.com does this openly. And according to themselves try to blame google for putting up these ads. It is after all their website, hence they are responsible for the content. Just like they would have been responsible, if they advertised for drugs or kiddy ****. That is not acceptable, imo. since isk selling is a violation of the eula. I recommend that everybody with a decent morale will not visit this site, and condemn eve radio and other fansites that run these ads.
Please CCP do something about this, as soon as possible, since this kind of behaviour advocates for ppl to try and break the eula. Tbh it disgusts me.
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Usul Faust
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Posted - 2006.03.21 14:41:00 -
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 Originally by: Jessie Banda
Tbh it disgusts me.
yeah.
i was having a lovely time reading about human rights atrocities, and was really enjoying it, then i saw an advert for an Isk auction out of the corner of my eye. I was so disgusted i had to have a lay down.
no skills, just luck.
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Charlize Chips
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Posted - 2006.03.21 14:42:00 -
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[ 2006.03.21 14:22:05 ] DJ Stone > Excuse, those are sanctioned banners by Google, we can not astute to their add methods, and CCP is aware .. very aware of this.
They are aware of the ads and their illegitimacy... so I don't understand why they don't take the google ads down?
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Boonaki
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Posted - 2006.03.21 14:43:00 -
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Um, it is google ads, it how it works, it's googles fault, not the web sites.
You try paying for bandwidth for one of those sites for a month.
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Jessie Banda
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Posted - 2006.03.21 14:47:00 -
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actually I am payin for a similar site, but still it's not acceptable, that they advertise for clearly breakin the eula. It is still their responsability what's shown on their site. And for that matter many other fan sites. Besides Eve Radio get donations from players, xactly.. to cover these expenses.
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D'onryu Shoqui
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Posted - 2006.03.21 14:48:00 -
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CCP could atleast remove such sites with ISK adverts from the fansites list on this site if they wanted to
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Lord WarATron
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Posted - 2006.03.21 14:48:00 -
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You can get Google to take down those ads. Just claim they are from terrorists. :)
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w0rmy
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Posted - 2006.03.21 14:50:00 -
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Originally by: Boonaki
You try paying for bandwidth for one of those sites for a month.
Whats next? Google ads on billboards to help CCP pay for new stuff?
If you cant afford something, dont buy it.
Of course people whine, its cause your sig sucks
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Avon
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Posted - 2006.03.21 14:58:00 -
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FFS people.
The people who run these sites are doing a service to the community, and Google Ads pay the way.
If you don't like it, don't use the sites, or write to Google to complain.
The Battleships is not and should not be a solo pwnmobile - Oveur |
w0rmy
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Posted - 2006.03.21 15:00:00 -
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Edited by: w0rmy on 21/03/2006 15:02:50
Originally by: Avon
The people who run these sites are doing a service to the community, and Google Ads pay the way.
The means justifys the end, right? 
Question Avon, If I setup a website with instructions on how to macro, how to hack accounts, how to install a win button in your ship...
Would you have a problem with my site being listed on EVEs frontpage?
Of course people whine, its cause your sig sucks
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Charlize Chips
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Posted - 2006.03.21 15:00:00 -
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It is eve radio's responsibility to only display content which doesn't breach any rules on their website. Can't go blaming google, they aren't breaking any laws or rules of their own.
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Jessie Banda
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Posted - 2006.03.21 15:01:00 -
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Edited by: Jessie Banda on 21/03/2006 15:03:41
Originally by: Avon
FFS people.
The people who run these sites are doing a service to the community, and Google Ads pay the way.
If you don't like it, don't use the sites, or write to Google to complain.
Oh so just because they are doing a service it's ok for them to tempt ppl to break the eula? I think not.
An RL radio station wouldn't be allowed to promote e.g. extremist rightwing political groups, who would use violence, or money forgery or any other kind of criminal behavior either.
(edited cause cencorship didn't wanna let me type what I wanted to)
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Avon
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Posted - 2006.03.21 15:03:00 -
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Originally by: Jessie Banda
Originally by: Avon
FFS people.
The people who run these sites are doing a service to the community, and Google Ads pay the way.
If you don't like it, don't use the sites, or write to Google to complain.
Oh so just because they are doing a service it's ok for them to tempt ppl to break the eula? I think not.
An RL radio station wouldn't be allowed to promote e.g. ****sm or money forgery or any other kind of criminal behavior either.
Well, what would you rather?
The sites go away, and the service they provide.
Access to the sites only to paying members?
The Battleships is not and should not be a solo pwnmobile - Oveur |
Gariuys
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Posted - 2006.03.21 15:03:00 -
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Edited by: Gariuys on 21/03/2006 15:03:27
The horse is dead, hell there isn't even a corpse left, just bones and even those have begun crumbling. Let it go. It's google it's how google ads works. It can't be helped.
It ain't criminal now is it? It's against the EVE EULA hardly somethin google cares about.
~{When evil and strange get together anything is possible}~
A tool is only useless when you don't know how to use it. - ActiveX
The grass is always greener on the other side. - JoCool |
Usul Faust
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Posted - 2006.03.21 15:04:00 -
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Edited by: Usul Faust on 21/03/2006 15:05:11
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Oh so just because they are doing a service it's ok for them to tempt ppl to break the eula? I think not.
An RL radio station wouldn't be allowed to promote e.g. extremist rightwing political groups, who would use violence, or money forgery or any other kind of criminal behavior either.
There's a massive difference between laws and a game's rules.
and why would Google give a spunky fart what CCP think, anyway?
no skills, just luck.
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Gariuys
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Posted - 2006.03.21 15:05:00 -
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Originally by: w0rmy
Edited by: w0rmy on 21/03/2006 15:02:50
Originally by: Avon
The people who run these sites are doing a service to the community, and Google Ads pay the way.
The means justifys the end, right?
Question Avon, If I setup a website with instructions on how to macro, how to hack accounts, how to install a win button in your ship...
Would you have a problem with my site being listed on EVEs frontpage?
Always black and fecking white with you isn't it. From one extreme to the next. here's a hint that's not how stuff works unfortunately life is a tad more complicated then that.
~{When evil and strange get together anything is possible}~
A tool is only useless when you don't know how to use it. - ActiveX
The grass is always greener on the other side. - JoCool |
Jessie Banda
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Posted - 2006.03.21 15:06:00 -
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Since they do take donations from listeners they get a big income to support their site and servers there. As for ads, well if they have to have ads to pay for the site, then they should at least make sure what kind of ads that get posted. In wich case they should really take this up with google.
If that's not an option, yes I'd rather they dissappear.
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Charlize Chips
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Posted - 2006.03.21 15:06:00 -
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Originally by: Usul Faust
Edited by: Usul Faust on 21/03/2006 15:05:11
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Oh so just because they are doing a service it's ok for them to tempt ppl to break the eula? I think not.
An RL radio station wouldn't be allowed to promote e.g. extremist rightwing political groups, who would use violence, or money forgery or any other kind of criminal behavior either.
There's a massive difference between laws and a game's rules.
and why would Google give a spunky fart what CCP think, anyway?
Yes exactly thats why google will never change it. They are breaking no laws, why would they change?
But, EVE RAdio SHOULD get rid of the google ads. They are breaking CCP's rules by keeping them there. So I don't understand why people are blaming google?
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Gariuys
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Posted - 2006.03.21 15:08:00 -
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Originally by: Jessie Banda
Since they do take donations from listeners they get a big income to support their site and servers there. As for ads, well if they have to have ads to pay for the site, then they should at least make sure what kind of ads that get posted. In wich case they should really take this up with google.
If that's not an option, yes I'd rather they dissappear.
Well since you don't pay eve-radio's server bill your opinions is so completely and totally irrelevant it isn't even funny.
Don't like it, don't visit eve-radios site. And certainly don't listen to eve-radio itself!!!
~{When evil and strange get together anything is possible}~
A tool is only useless when you don't know how to use it. - ActiveX
The grass is always greener on the other side. - JoCool |
Usul Faust
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Posted - 2006.03.21 15:08:00 -
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Edited by: Usul Faust on 21/03/2006 15:08:10
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Yes exactly thats why google will never change it. They are breaking no laws, why would they change?
But, EVE RAdio SHOULD get rid of the google ads. They are breaking CCP's rules by keeping them there. So I don't understand why people are blaming google?
NONONO.
Eve radio would be breaking ccp's rules by buying or selling isk, which would result in their eve characters being banned. They can put whatever the hell they like on their own external website.
no skills, just luck.
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w0rmy
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Posted - 2006.03.21 15:08:00 -
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Originally by: Gariuys
Always black and fecking white with you isn't it. From one extreme to the next. here's a hint that's not how stuff works unfortunately life is a tad more complicated then that.
I call it how I see it.
I dont care how an eve fansite makes their money to cover their costs...
But i still dont think those that have ISK selling ads on them, should be linked from the frontpage.
Of course people whine, its cause your sig sucks
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Gariuys
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Posted - 2006.03.21 15:10:00 -
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Originally by: w0rmy
Originally by: Gariuys
Always black and fecking white with you isn't it. From one extreme to the next. here's a hint that's not how stuff works unfortunately life is a tad more complicated then that.
I call it how I see it.
I dont care how an eve fansite makes their money to cover their costs...
But i still dont think those that have ISK selling ads on them, should be linked from the frontpage.
They don't. They have google ads on there which randomly selects ads that fit the site. In the case of eve-radio. That's EVE related ads. There are no consciously selected isk selling ads on there. It's the disadvantage of using google ads.
~{When evil and strange get together anything is possible}~
A tool is only useless when you don't know how to use it. - ActiveX
The grass is always greener on the other side. - JoCool |
Charlize Chips
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Posted - 2006.03.21 15:10:00 -
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Originally by: Usul Faust
Eve radio would be breaking ccp's rules by buying or selling isk, which would result in their eve characters being banned. They can put whatever the hell they like on their own external website.
I'm with wormy. Those fan sites that have ISK selling ads on them, should not be linked from CCP's frontpage.
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Avon
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Posted - 2006.03.21 15:11:00 -
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Originally by: Jessie Banda
Since they do take donations from listeners they get a big income to support their site and servers there. As for ads, well if they have to have ads to pay for the site, then they should at least make sure what kind of ads that get posted. In wich case they should really take this up with google.
If that's not an option, yes I'd rather they dissappear.
You really think a banner ad is going to MAKE people break the EULA?
Really?
If people want to risk buying ISK they will, and everyone knows where you can get it.
The ads have no real impact, but the do fund sites which much of the community enjoys.
CCP know about the problems with Google ads, but they also see the benefit of good community sites.
The Battleships is not and should not be a solo pwnmobile - Oveur |
Jessie Banda
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Posted - 2006.03.21 15:11:00 -
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Originally by: Usul Faust
Edited by: Usul Faust on 21/03/2006 15:08:10
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Yes exactly thats why google will never change it. They are breaking no laws, why would they change?
But, EVE RAdio SHOULD get rid of the google ads. They are breaking CCP's rules by keeping them there. So I don't understand why people are blaming google?
NONONO.
Eve radio would be breaking ccp's rules by buying or selling isk, which would result in their eve characters being banned. They can put whatever the hell they like on their own external website.
Still ccp links to this site. and other sites for that matter. this is not only an attack on eve radio. it's an attack on all fansites showing ads for isk sellers. Then at least they should be removed from the official link list, unless ccp decides to change the rules for selling isk.
How can you be a officially registred fansite when you encourage ppl to break the eula?
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Usul Faust
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Posted - 2006.03.21 15:11:00 -
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Originally by: Jessie Banda
Since they do take donations from listeners they get a big income to support their site and servers there.
big income? i doubt it.
no skills, just luck.
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Charlize Chips
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Posted - 2006.03.21 15:12:00 -
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Originally by: Gariuys
They don't. They have google ads on there which randomly selects ads that fit the site. In the case of eve-radio. That's EVE related ads. There are no consciously selected isk selling ads on there. It's the disadvantage of using google ads.
The google ads come up with ISK sellers EVERY TIME. Thats not very random. The only way to remove this would be to remove the google ads.
Why can't people see this simple logic?
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Nev Clavain
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Posted - 2006.03.21 15:14:00 -
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Originally by: Jessie Banda
actually I am payin for a similar site, but still it's not acceptable, that they advertise for clearly breakin the eula. It is still their responsability what's shown on their site. And for that matter many other fan sites. Besides Eve Radio get donations from players, xactly.. to cover these expenses.
In case you aren't aware there is no crime in breaking an EULA. What is the worst can happen? CCP will ban you from EVE and try to stop you from buying another account.
You may have your own personal opinions on the isk selling problem, fact is no crime is being committed, and there is nothing can be done to stop these adverts. People actually comitting the act of selling or buying isk may lose their account that is it.
Really you are just paying someone for their hard work in game, with the proceeds of your hard work out-of-game. As far as any legal system is concerned it is free and fair exchange which ccp have no legal right to restrict.
Therefore only thing ccp can do is make you agree to an eula before playing, giving them the right to stop your account for just about anything they see fit.
Advertising isk is not breach of the EULA, as it does not in any way involve your use of CCP's product. Selling isk or buying isk, involves an actual in game activity (the money has to be transferred at some point) which is forbidden by the EULA.
In short, I highly doubt there is a damn thing CCP can do about it.
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Jessie Banda
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Posted - 2006.03.21 15:16:00 -
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Still it's their responsability that they show google ads, wich are by any means a lot of isk selling ads. The times I've visited eve-radio's website, I've not seen anything BUT isk selling commercials. Might just be me being unfortunate, but that's the way it is.
And yes it is their responsability, for letting this go on and on. unless the ppl of eve radio are completely blind and can't see the ads themselves`?? I'd like an official eve radio comment on this one!
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Jessie Banda
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Posted - 2006.03.21 15:18:00 -
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Originally by: Nev Clavain
Originally by: Jessie Banda
actually I am payin for a similar site, but still it's not acceptable, that they advertise for clearly breakin the eula. It is still their responsability what's shown on their site. And for that matter many other fan sites. Besides Eve Radio get donations from players, xactly.. to cover these expenses.
In case you aren't aware there is no crime in breaking an EULA. What is the worst can happen? CCP will ban you from EVE and try to stop you from buying another account.
You may have your own personal opinions on the isk selling problem, fact is no crime is being committed, and there is nothing can be done to stop these adverts. People actually comitting the act of selling or buying isk may lose their account that is it.
Really you are just paying someone for their hard work in game, with the proceeds of your hard work out-of-game. As far as any legal system is concerned it is free and fair exchange which ccp have no legal right to restrict.
Therefore only thing ccp can do is make you agree to an eula before playing, giving them the right to stop your account for just about anything they see fit.
Advertising isk is not breach of the EULA, as it does not in any way involve your use of CCP's product. Selling isk or buying isk, involves an actual in game activity (the money has to be transferred at some point) which is forbidden by the EULA.
In short, I highly doubt there is a damn thing CCP can do about it.
Uhmm.. yes... they can stop linking to sites showing these banners, on their frontpage, to begin with. Otherwise its' saying: oh yeah we accept you break our own eula, so actually forget it was ever written in the first place.
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