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Jessie Banda
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Posted - 2006.03.21 14:37:00 -
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Edited by: Jessie Banda on 21/03/2006 14:38:16
It has for a long time bothered me to see that fansites, that are more or less, sponsored, or at least favoured by CCP, continiously advertise for isk selling ventures. For example www.eve-radio.com does this openly. And according to themselves try to blame google for putting up these ads. It is after all their website, hence they are responsible for the content. Just like they would have been responsible, if they advertised for drugs or kiddy ****. That is not acceptable, imo. since isk selling is a violation of the eula. I recommend that everybody with a decent morale will not visit this site, and condemn eve radio and other fansites that run these ads.
Please CCP do something about this, as soon as possible, since this kind of behaviour advocates for ppl to try and break the eula. Tbh it disgusts me.
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Usul Faust
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Posted - 2006.03.21 14:41:00 -
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 Originally by: Jessie Banda
Tbh it disgusts me.
yeah.
i was having a lovely time reading about human rights atrocities, and was really enjoying it, then i saw an advert for an Isk auction out of the corner of my eye. I was so disgusted i had to have a lay down.
no skills, just luck.
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Charlize Chips
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Posted - 2006.03.21 14:42:00 -
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[ 2006.03.21 14:22:05 ] DJ Stone > Excuse, those are sanctioned banners by Google, we can not astute to their add methods, and CCP is aware .. very aware of this.
They are aware of the ads and their illegitimacy... so I don't understand why they don't take the google ads down?
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Boonaki
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Posted - 2006.03.21 14:43:00 -
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Um, it is google ads, it how it works, it's googles fault, not the web sites.
You try paying for bandwidth for one of those sites for a month.
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Jessie Banda
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Posted - 2006.03.21 14:47:00 -
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actually I am payin for a similar site, but still it's not acceptable, that they advertise for clearly breakin the eula. It is still their responsability what's shown on their site. And for that matter many other fan sites. Besides Eve Radio get donations from players, xactly.. to cover these expenses.
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D'onryu Shoqui
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Posted - 2006.03.21 14:48:00 -
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CCP could atleast remove such sites with ISK adverts from the fansites list on this site if they wanted to
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Lord WarATron
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Posted - 2006.03.21 14:48:00 -
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You can get Google to take down those ads. Just claim they are from terrorists. :)
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w0rmy
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Posted - 2006.03.21 14:50:00 -
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Originally by: Boonaki
You try paying for bandwidth for one of those sites for a month.
Whats next? Google ads on billboards to help CCP pay for new stuff?
If you cant afford something, dont buy it.
Of course people whine, its cause your sig sucks
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Avon
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Posted - 2006.03.21 14:58:00 -
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FFS people.
The people who run these sites are doing a service to the community, and Google Ads pay the way.
If you don't like it, don't use the sites, or write to Google to complain.
The Battleships is not and should not be a solo pwnmobile - Oveur |
w0rmy
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Posted - 2006.03.21 15:00:00 -
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Edited by: w0rmy on 21/03/2006 15:02:50
Originally by: Avon
The people who run these sites are doing a service to the community, and Google Ads pay the way.
The means justifys the end, right? 
Question Avon, If I setup a website with instructions on how to macro, how to hack accounts, how to install a win button in your ship...
Would you have a problem with my site being listed on EVEs frontpage?
Of course people whine, its cause your sig sucks
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Charlize Chips
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Posted - 2006.03.21 15:00:00 -
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It is eve radio's responsibility to only display content which doesn't breach any rules on their website. Can't go blaming google, they aren't breaking any laws or rules of their own.
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Jessie Banda
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Posted - 2006.03.21 15:01:00 -
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Edited by: Jessie Banda on 21/03/2006 15:03:41
Originally by: Avon
FFS people.
The people who run these sites are doing a service to the community, and Google Ads pay the way.
If you don't like it, don't use the sites, or write to Google to complain.
Oh so just because they are doing a service it's ok for them to tempt ppl to break the eula? I think not.
An RL radio station wouldn't be allowed to promote e.g. extremist rightwing political groups, who would use violence, or money forgery or any other kind of criminal behavior either.
(edited cause cencorship didn't wanna let me type what I wanted to)
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Avon
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Posted - 2006.03.21 15:03:00 -
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Originally by: Jessie Banda
Originally by: Avon
FFS people.
The people who run these sites are doing a service to the community, and Google Ads pay the way.
If you don't like it, don't use the sites, or write to Google to complain.
Oh so just because they are doing a service it's ok for them to tempt ppl to break the eula? I think not.
An RL radio station wouldn't be allowed to promote e.g. ****sm or money forgery or any other kind of criminal behavior either.
Well, what would you rather?
The sites go away, and the service they provide.
Access to the sites only to paying members?
The Battleships is not and should not be a solo pwnmobile - Oveur |
Gariuys
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Posted - 2006.03.21 15:03:00 -
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Edited by: Gariuys on 21/03/2006 15:03:27
The horse is dead, hell there isn't even a corpse left, just bones and even those have begun crumbling. Let it go. It's google it's how google ads works. It can't be helped.
It ain't criminal now is it? It's against the EVE EULA hardly somethin google cares about.
~{When evil and strange get together anything is possible}~
A tool is only useless when you don't know how to use it. - ActiveX
The grass is always greener on the other side. - JoCool |
Usul Faust
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Posted - 2006.03.21 15:04:00 -
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Edited by: Usul Faust on 21/03/2006 15:05:11
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Oh so just because they are doing a service it's ok for them to tempt ppl to break the eula? I think not.
An RL radio station wouldn't be allowed to promote e.g. extremist rightwing political groups, who would use violence, or money forgery or any other kind of criminal behavior either.
There's a massive difference between laws and a game's rules.
and why would Google give a spunky fart what CCP think, anyway?
no skills, just luck.
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Gariuys
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Posted - 2006.03.21 15:05:00 -
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Originally by: w0rmy
Edited by: w0rmy on 21/03/2006 15:02:50
Originally by: Avon
The people who run these sites are doing a service to the community, and Google Ads pay the way.
The means justifys the end, right?
Question Avon, If I setup a website with instructions on how to macro, how to hack accounts, how to install a win button in your ship...
Would you have a problem with my site being listed on EVEs frontpage?
Always black and fecking white with you isn't it. From one extreme to the next. here's a hint that's not how stuff works unfortunately life is a tad more complicated then that.
~{When evil and strange get together anything is possible}~
A tool is only useless when you don't know how to use it. - ActiveX
The grass is always greener on the other side. - JoCool |
Jessie Banda
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Posted - 2006.03.21 15:06:00 -
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Since they do take donations from listeners they get a big income to support their site and servers there. As for ads, well if they have to have ads to pay for the site, then they should at least make sure what kind of ads that get posted. In wich case they should really take this up with google.
If that's not an option, yes I'd rather they dissappear.
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Charlize Chips
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Posted - 2006.03.21 15:06:00 -
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Originally by: Usul Faust
Edited by: Usul Faust on 21/03/2006 15:05:11
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Oh so just because they are doing a service it's ok for them to tempt ppl to break the eula? I think not.
An RL radio station wouldn't be allowed to promote e.g. extremist rightwing political groups, who would use violence, or money forgery or any other kind of criminal behavior either.
There's a massive difference between laws and a game's rules.
and why would Google give a spunky fart what CCP think, anyway?
Yes exactly thats why google will never change it. They are breaking no laws, why would they change?
But, EVE RAdio SHOULD get rid of the google ads. They are breaking CCP's rules by keeping them there. So I don't understand why people are blaming google?
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Gariuys
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Posted - 2006.03.21 15:08:00 -
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Originally by: Jessie Banda
Since they do take donations from listeners they get a big income to support their site and servers there. As for ads, well if they have to have ads to pay for the site, then they should at least make sure what kind of ads that get posted. In wich case they should really take this up with google.
If that's not an option, yes I'd rather they dissappear.
Well since you don't pay eve-radio's server bill your opinions is so completely and totally irrelevant it isn't even funny.
Don't like it, don't visit eve-radios site. And certainly don't listen to eve-radio itself!!!
~{When evil and strange get together anything is possible}~
A tool is only useless when you don't know how to use it. - ActiveX
The grass is always greener on the other side. - JoCool |
Usul Faust
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Posted - 2006.03.21 15:08:00 -
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Edited by: Usul Faust on 21/03/2006 15:08:10
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Yes exactly thats why google will never change it. They are breaking no laws, why would they change?
But, EVE RAdio SHOULD get rid of the google ads. They are breaking CCP's rules by keeping them there. So I don't understand why people are blaming google?
NONONO.
Eve radio would be breaking ccp's rules by buying or selling isk, which would result in their eve characters being banned. They can put whatever the hell they like on their own external website.
no skills, just luck.
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w0rmy
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Posted - 2006.03.21 15:08:00 -
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Originally by: Gariuys
Always black and fecking white with you isn't it. From one extreme to the next. here's a hint that's not how stuff works unfortunately life is a tad more complicated then that.
I call it how I see it.
I dont care how an eve fansite makes their money to cover their costs...
But i still dont think those that have ISK selling ads on them, should be linked from the frontpage.
Of course people whine, its cause your sig sucks
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Gariuys
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Posted - 2006.03.21 15:10:00 -
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Originally by: w0rmy
Originally by: Gariuys
Always black and fecking white with you isn't it. From one extreme to the next. here's a hint that's not how stuff works unfortunately life is a tad more complicated then that.
I call it how I see it.
I dont care how an eve fansite makes their money to cover their costs...
But i still dont think those that have ISK selling ads on them, should be linked from the frontpage.
They don't. They have google ads on there which randomly selects ads that fit the site. In the case of eve-radio. That's EVE related ads. There are no consciously selected isk selling ads on there. It's the disadvantage of using google ads.
~{When evil and strange get together anything is possible}~
A tool is only useless when you don't know how to use it. - ActiveX
The grass is always greener on the other side. - JoCool |
Charlize Chips
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Posted - 2006.03.21 15:10:00 -
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Originally by: Usul Faust
Eve radio would be breaking ccp's rules by buying or selling isk, which would result in their eve characters being banned. They can put whatever the hell they like on their own external website.
I'm with wormy. Those fan sites that have ISK selling ads on them, should not be linked from CCP's frontpage.
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Avon
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Posted - 2006.03.21 15:11:00 -
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Originally by: Jessie Banda
Since they do take donations from listeners they get a big income to support their site and servers there. As for ads, well if they have to have ads to pay for the site, then they should at least make sure what kind of ads that get posted. In wich case they should really take this up with google.
If that's not an option, yes I'd rather they dissappear.
You really think a banner ad is going to MAKE people break the EULA?
Really?
If people want to risk buying ISK they will, and everyone knows where you can get it.
The ads have no real impact, but the do fund sites which much of the community enjoys.
CCP know about the problems with Google ads, but they also see the benefit of good community sites.
The Battleships is not and should not be a solo pwnmobile - Oveur |
Jessie Banda
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Posted - 2006.03.21 15:11:00 -
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Originally by: Usul Faust
Edited by: Usul Faust on 21/03/2006 15:08:10
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Yes exactly thats why google will never change it. They are breaking no laws, why would they change?
But, EVE RAdio SHOULD get rid of the google ads. They are breaking CCP's rules by keeping them there. So I don't understand why people are blaming google?
NONONO.
Eve radio would be breaking ccp's rules by buying or selling isk, which would result in their eve characters being banned. They can put whatever the hell they like on their own external website.
Still ccp links to this site. and other sites for that matter. this is not only an attack on eve radio. it's an attack on all fansites showing ads for isk sellers. Then at least they should be removed from the official link list, unless ccp decides to change the rules for selling isk.
How can you be a officially registred fansite when you encourage ppl to break the eula?
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Usul Faust
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Posted - 2006.03.21 15:11:00 -
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Originally by: Jessie Banda
Since they do take donations from listeners they get a big income to support their site and servers there.
big income? i doubt it.
no skills, just luck.
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Charlize Chips
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Posted - 2006.03.21 15:12:00 -
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Originally by: Gariuys
They don't. They have google ads on there which randomly selects ads that fit the site. In the case of eve-radio. That's EVE related ads. There are no consciously selected isk selling ads on there. It's the disadvantage of using google ads.
The google ads come up with ISK sellers EVERY TIME. Thats not very random. The only way to remove this would be to remove the google ads.
Why can't people see this simple logic?
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Nev Clavain
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Posted - 2006.03.21 15:14:00 -
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Originally by: Jessie Banda
actually I am payin for a similar site, but still it's not acceptable, that they advertise for clearly breakin the eula. It is still their responsability what's shown on their site. And for that matter many other fan sites. Besides Eve Radio get donations from players, xactly.. to cover these expenses.
In case you aren't aware there is no crime in breaking an EULA. What is the worst can happen? CCP will ban you from EVE and try to stop you from buying another account.
You may have your own personal opinions on the isk selling problem, fact is no crime is being committed, and there is nothing can be done to stop these adverts. People actually comitting the act of selling or buying isk may lose their account that is it.
Really you are just paying someone for their hard work in game, with the proceeds of your hard work out-of-game. As far as any legal system is concerned it is free and fair exchange which ccp have no legal right to restrict.
Therefore only thing ccp can do is make you agree to an eula before playing, giving them the right to stop your account for just about anything they see fit.
Advertising isk is not breach of the EULA, as it does not in any way involve your use of CCP's product. Selling isk or buying isk, involves an actual in game activity (the money has to be transferred at some point) which is forbidden by the EULA.
In short, I highly doubt there is a damn thing CCP can do about it.
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Jessie Banda
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Posted - 2006.03.21 15:16:00 -
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Still it's their responsability that they show google ads, wich are by any means a lot of isk selling ads. The times I've visited eve-radio's website, I've not seen anything BUT isk selling commercials. Might just be me being unfortunate, but that's the way it is.
And yes it is their responsability, for letting this go on and on. unless the ppl of eve radio are completely blind and can't see the ads themselves`?? I'd like an official eve radio comment on this one!
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Jessie Banda
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Posted - 2006.03.21 15:18:00 -
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Originally by: Nev Clavain
Originally by: Jessie Banda
actually I am payin for a similar site, but still it's not acceptable, that they advertise for clearly breakin the eula. It is still their responsability what's shown on their site. And for that matter many other fan sites. Besides Eve Radio get donations from players, xactly.. to cover these expenses.
In case you aren't aware there is no crime in breaking an EULA. What is the worst can happen? CCP will ban you from EVE and try to stop you from buying another account.
You may have your own personal opinions on the isk selling problem, fact is no crime is being committed, and there is nothing can be done to stop these adverts. People actually comitting the act of selling or buying isk may lose their account that is it.
Really you are just paying someone for their hard work in game, with the proceeds of your hard work out-of-game. As far as any legal system is concerned it is free and fair exchange which ccp have no legal right to restrict.
Therefore only thing ccp can do is make you agree to an eula before playing, giving them the right to stop your account for just about anything they see fit.
Advertising isk is not breach of the EULA, as it does not in any way involve your use of CCP's product. Selling isk or buying isk, involves an actual in game activity (the money has to be transferred at some point) which is forbidden by the EULA.
In short, I highly doubt there is a damn thing CCP can do about it.
Uhmm.. yes... they can stop linking to sites showing these banners, on their frontpage, to begin with. Otherwise its' saying: oh yeah we accept you break our own eula, so actually forget it was ever written in the first place.
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Jessie Banda
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Posted - 2006.03.21 15:20:00 -
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Originally by: Usul Faust
Originally by: Jessie Banda
Still ccp links to this site. and other sites for that matter. this is not only an attack on eve radio. it's an attack on all fansites showing ads for isk sellers. Then at least they should be removed from the official link list, unless ccp decides to change the rules for selling isk.
How can you be a officially registred fansite when you encourage ppl to break the eula?
by your logic: I smoke 40 a day, so i'm encouraging you to get lung cancer.
Well you are definitely riskin to cause other ppl to be exposed to passive smoking, wich can also lead to lung cancer... so... yeah
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Nee'kita Frist
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Posted - 2006.03.21 15:20:00 -
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Edited by: Nee''kita Frist on 21/03/2006 15:21:35
Something about the Google Ads featured on Ctrl-Alt-delete not so long ago. The writer, Tim gave very much the impression that ads where optional and you could choose which ones to block. - So I'm guessing these site admins are just being lazy.
I refere you to this news page.
Right at the bottom it says:
Originally by: Ctrl+Alt+Del
By talking extensively about gold farming and such on my front page, we've been able to get the Google ads to display a wide variety of different gold farmer/seller advertisements.
Thanks to the enormous response from readers keeping an eye on it, I'm generating a giant list of sites to block. I'm also to going try and make this list available so other people with Google ads on their webpage will have an easier time blocking gold sellers. It may be a small step, but it never hurts to do what you can!
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Charlize Chips
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Posted - 2006.03.21 15:20:00 -
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Why has everybody totally missed the point of this thread?
Yhe fact is, CCP is officially supporting and endorsing fan sites that have ISK selling adverts on them, a clear breach of the EULA. Whoever you try to blame for that and whatever you say about money and supporting fan sites blah blah, the fact remains. CCP officially supports a site which breaks its own EULA. That is WRONG.
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Avon
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Posted - 2006.03.21 15:20:00 -
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Originally by: Jessie Banda
Still it's their responsability that they show google ads, wich are by any means a lot of isk selling ads. The times I've visited eve-radio's website, I've not seen anything BUT isk selling commercials. Might just be me being unfortunate, but that's the way it is.
And yes it is their responsability, for letting this go on and on. unless the ppl of eve radio are completely blind and can't see the ads themselves`?? I'd like an official eve radio comment on this one!
But, as has been said before, even if you ask Google not to show certain ads (by asking them to block the add url / IP), and Google do so (which they will), the isk sellers just transfer their ads to a different url / IP, thus avoiding the block.
The cycle is potentially endless, at some point you just have to give up and go with the flow.
If CCP objected the sites would not be linked from their website.
The fact that they are fully aware of the situation, and that the sites are still linked, would indicate that whilst the situation is not ideal it is not the end of the world.
The Battleships is not and should not be a solo pwnmobile - Oveur |
Usul Faust
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Posted - 2006.03.21 15:21:00 -
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don't worry, i've petitioned the GMs about CCP.
no skills, just luck.
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Usul Faust
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Posted - 2006.03.21 15:21:00 -
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Originally by: Jessie Banda
Originally by: Usul Faust
Originally by: Jessie Banda
Still ccp links to this site. and other sites for that matter. this is not only an attack on eve radio. it's an attack on all fansites showing ads for isk sellers. Then at least they should be removed from the official link list, unless ccp decides to change the rules for selling isk.
How can you be a officially registred fansite when you encourage ppl to break the eula?
by your logic: I smoke 40 a day, so i'm encouraging you to get lung cancer.
Well you are definitely riskin to cause other ppl to be exposed to passive smoking, wich can also lead to lung cancer... so... yeah
actually, i would encourage you to get lung canger.
a lot.
no skills, just luck.
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Avon
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Posted - 2006.03.21 15:22:00 -
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Originally by: Nee'kita Frist
Edited by: Nee''kita Frist on 21/03/2006 15:20:24
Something about the Google Ads featured on Ctrl-Alt-delete now so long ago. The writer, Tim gave very much the impression that ads where optional and you could choose which ones to block. - So I'm guessing these site admins are just being lazy.
I refere you to this news page.
Right at the bottom it says:
Originally by: Ctrl+Alt+Del
By talking extensively about gold farming and such on my front page, we've been able to get the Google ads to display a wide variety of different gold farmer/seller advertisements.
Thanks to the enormous response from readers keeping an eye on it, I'm generating a giant list of sites to block. I'm also to going try and make this list available so other people with Google ads on their webpage will have an easier time blocking gold sellers. It may be a small step, but it never hurts to do what you can!
I have already addressed that point at least twice.
You can list the ads to block by URL, but the advertisers just move URL.
You can't get Google to block them faster than they can resubmit them.
The Battleships is not and should not be a solo pwnmobile - Oveur |
w0rmy
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Posted - 2006.03.21 15:23:00 -
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Originally by: Avon
The fact that they are fully aware of the situation, and that the sites are still linked, would indicate that whilst the situation is not ideal it is not the end of the world.
Or that they're lazy?
Of course people whine, its cause your sig sucks
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Gariuys
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Posted - 2006.03.21 15:24:00 -
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BTW why not take it up with the admin(s) of the offending sites instead of whining about it on the eve-o forums?
~{When evil and strange get together anything is possible}~
A tool is only useless when you don't know how to use it. - ActiveX
The grass is always greener on the other side. - JoCool |
w0rmy
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Posted - 2006.03.21 15:25:00 -
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Originally by: Gariuys
BTW why not take it up with the admin(s) of the offending sites instead of whining about it on the eve-o forums?
Because the whine is about them being linked on the frontpage on THIS site.
Of course people whine, its cause your sig sucks
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Jessie Banda
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Posted - 2006.03.21 15:25:00 -
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Originally by: Usul Faust
Originally by: Jessie Banda
Originally by: Usul Faust
Originally by: Jessie Banda
Still ccp links to this site. and other sites for that matter. this is not only an attack on eve radio. it's an attack on all fansites showing ads for isk sellers. Then at least they should be removed from the official link list, unless ccp decides to change the rules for selling isk.
How can you be a officially registred fansite when you encourage ppl to break the eula?
by your logic: I smoke 40 a day, so i'm encouraging you to get lung cancer.
Well you are definitely riskin to cause other ppl to be exposed to passive smoking, wich can also lead to lung cancer... so... yeah
actually, i would encourage you to get lung canger.
a lot.
Hmm... so when you can't argue you just wish on others to get lung cancer ? You're appearantly one of the reasons that the problem arose in the first place. Bad morale standards. And appearantly a flame bait.
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Charlize Chips
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Posted - 2006.03.21 15:26:00 -
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Originally by: Usul Faust
actually, i would encourage you to get lung canger.
a lot.
Ouch, thats harsh dude. That kind of thing can get you banned. Wishing people to get cancer is not a nice thing to do.
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Nee'kita Frist
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Posted - 2006.03.21 15:28:00 -
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Edited by: Nee''kita Frist on 21/03/2006 15:28:19
Originally by: Avon
I have already addressed that point at least twice.
You can list the ads to block by URL, but the advertisers just move URL.
You can't get Google to block them faster than they can resubmit them.
its funny cos when I look at the google ads on Ctrl-alt-del I don't see ANY gold selling websites...?
It must be working.
(Follow the link scroll to the bottom and look at the google ad (failing it being there refresh a couple of times)
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Jessie Banda
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Posted - 2006.03.21 15:29:00 -
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Edited by: Jessie Banda on 21/03/2006 15:31:07
Originally by: Nee'kita Frist
Edited by: Nee''kita Frist on 21/03/2006 15:28:19
Originally by: Avon
I have already addressed that point at least twice.
You can list the ads to block by URL, but the advertisers just move URL.
You can't get Google to block them faster than they can resubmit them.
its funny cos when I look at the google ads on Ctrl-alt-del I don't see ANY gold selling websites...?
It must be working.
(Follow the link scroll to the bottom and look at the google ad (failing it being there refresh a couple of times)
no no it's not workin it's just us who are blind, from our lung cancer and stuff 
Or perhaps we just got poked in the eyes with a lit cigarette?
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Da Death
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Posted - 2006.03.21 15:31:00 -
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I absolutely agree that isk seller should NOT on official eve sites. It will makes it look like its 'legal' to sell ISK. I wondered myself a few times why it is possible for the to do it without sactioning from ccp. Aaaand of coz: As Google ad-provider you can decline certain ad, so dont say: 'We cant do anything about it coz its from google'.
Summary: Official Eve-sites with ISK-sellers makes ISK selling only easier 
Selling: Absolution - Curse - Gleam S - BPC's - check my bio
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Usul Faust
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Posted - 2006.03.21 15:31:00 -
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Edited by: Usul Faust on 21/03/2006 15:32:50
Originally by: Jessie Banda
Hmm... so when you can't argue you just wish on others to get lung cancer ? You're appearantly one of the reasons that the problem arose in the first place. Bad morale standards. And appearantly a flame bait.
You're clearly illiterate. You can't 'encourage' somebody to get cancer.
That's what's flawed with your whole argument. Ignoring your impotent moral outrage and my bad moral standards for a second, you're labouring under the impression that people who see that ad will go straight out and buy/sell isk. They won't.
Yesterday, i saw a whole bunch of things advertised that i didn't buy.
no skills, just luck.
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Charlize Chips
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Posted - 2006.03.21 15:32:00 -
[47]
Originally by: Usul Faust
That's what's flawed with your whole argument. Ignoring your impotent moral outrage and my bad moral standards for a second, you're labouring under the impression that people who see that ad will go straight out and buy/sell isk. They won't.
Yesterday, i saw a whole bunch of things advertised that i didn't buy.
So you're saying that advertising doesn't work? Why then is it a multi-billion dollar industry?
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Usul Faust
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Posted - 2006.03.21 15:34:00 -
[48]
Edited by: Usul Faust on 21/03/2006 15:35:06
So you're saying that everybody who sees these adverts buys isk? Why then isn't it a multi-billion dollar industry?
no skills, just luck.
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Usul Faust
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Posted - 2006.03.21 15:35:00 -
[49]
prove it.
no skills, just luck.
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Charlize Chips
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Posted - 2006.03.21 15:35:00 -
[50]
No I am saying that some people who see those ads will buy isk, who otherwise wouldn't.
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w0rmy
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Posted - 2006.03.21 15:36:00 -
[51]
Originally by: Da Death
I absolutely agree that isk seller should NOT on official eve sites. It will makes it look like its 'legal' to sell ISK. I wondered myself a few times why it is possible for the to do it without sactioning from ccp.
This is it. Most people dont read EULA, so when the see an official fan site, with these ads, not knowing how google ads work...
Us dumb people get confuzzled easily.
Of course people whine, its cause your sig sucks
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BlackHole Bob
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Posted - 2006.03.21 15:41:00 -
[52]
Edited by: BlackHole Bob on 21/03/2006 15:43:55
Our sites AD FREE and we are VERY EVE related and took in ALOT of traffic the past month
greed causes isk crap sales...
evegathering.com WILL never have ANY ADS for ISK ...EVER
to all you fansite sporting google ads for isk or any ISK ad forsale for cash what so ever....
heres my sentiments..
your greedy fools...i avoid those sites once i see the ads...and never visit again...EVER
if you have to run google ads to supposedly make money or any ISK ads for that matter...YOUR WRONG PERIOD and your website SUCKS period...
who cares how good your site is...your greedy is all there is to it...
by the way everything i need is in game and i rarely if at all need to go outside eve's offical site for any info on ANY fansite
Blackhole Bob
www.evegathering.com
Las Vegas EvE Gathering 2006
March 15th and 16th |
Usul Faust
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Posted - 2006.03.21 15:41:00 -
[53]
Originally by: Jessie Banda
Originally by: Usul Faust
prove it.
Prove it wrong.
If nobody did, there wouldn't be any commercials for these sites, simply because there wouldn't be any sites selling isk.
actually, it was your idea to remove these ads. the burden of proof lies with you.
no skills, just luck.
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Jessie Banda
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Posted - 2006.03.21 15:43:00 -
[54]
Originally by: Avon
Originally by: w0rmy
Originally by: Da Death
I absolutely agree that isk seller should NOT on official eve sites. It will makes it look like its 'legal' to sell ISK. I wondered myself a few times why it is possible for the to do it without sactioning from ccp.
This is it. Most people dont read EULA, so when the see an official fan site, with these ads, not knowing how google ads work...
Us dumb people get confuzzled easily.
Good.
Then dumb people will get banned.
Not a bad thing, especially as you need a valid account to post on the forums.
Everyone is a winner.
In fact, I want to see more ISK selling ads.
So now ppl are not allowed to play because they don't meet your intellectual standards either? tsk. come with some good counter arguements or dont argue at all.
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Usul Faust
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Posted - 2006.03.21 15:43:00 -
[55]
Edited by: Usul Faust on 21/03/2006 15:44:19
Quote:
Our sites AD FREE and we are VERY EVE ralted and took in ALOT of traffic the past month
greed causes isk crap sales...
yet_another_eve_site.com WILL never have ANY ADS for ISK ...EVER
to all you fansite sporting google ads for isk or any ISK ad forsale for cash what so ever....
heres my sentiments..
your greedy fools...i avoid those sites once i see the ads...and never visit again...EVER
yeeees. and do don't have a painfully transparent agenda, do you Blackhole Bob.
no skills, just luck.
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BlackHole Bob
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Posted - 2006.03.21 15:45:00 -
[56]
Originally by: Usul Faust
Edited by: Usul Faust on 21/03/2006 15:44:19
Quote:
Our sites AD FREE and we are VERY EVE ralted and took in ALOT of traffic the past month
greed causes isk crap sales...
yet_another_eve_site.com WILL never have ANY ADS for ISK ...EVER
to all you fansite sporting google ads for isk or any ISK ad forsale for cash what so ever....
heres my sentiments..
your greedy fools...i avoid those sites once i see the ads...and never visit again...EVER
yeeees. and do don't have a painfully transparent agenda, do you Blackhole Bob.
My agendas to promote eve....period...
if you think we made money on eve gathering ill be happy to send you our balance sheets and show where we lost a little money on it...not much but we did not profit thats for sure
Blackhole Bob
www.evegathering.com
Las Vegas EvE Gathering 2006
March 15th and 16th |
w0rmy
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Posted - 2006.03.21 15:45:00 -
[57]
Originally by: Avon
Then dumb people will get banned.
But we would miss you too much.
Of course people whine, its cause your sig sucks
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Usul Faust
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Posted - 2006.03.21 15:46:00 -
[58]
i honestly don't think i could muster the enthusiasm to read your balance sheets.
no skills, just luck.
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Mag's
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Posted - 2006.03.21 15:46:00 -
[59]
It boils down to this..
1. It's their site, so therefor they can place on it anything they see fit.
2. Just because Google links to ads for isk, may make it look legit, but ignorance of the EULA is no excuse.
3. If it bothers you so much, why not offer to pay for the up-keep of each and every site that disgusts you so.
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Sir Juri
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Posted - 2006.03.21 15:48:00 -
[60]
well I have to object to some ppl here I use to run big websites and was forced to close down cause of lack of money and running ads aint beeing greedy it costs alot to run a site with flash etc with a bandwith holding thousands up to million visitors a month, and have downkloadable stuff, now there are "cheap hosting services" but if you want max security and best support it costs money. Having ads to cover expenses aint greedy having ads for ads sake perhaps, but dont come accusing all website hosts in the world for beeing greedy...
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Avon
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Posted - 2006.03.21 15:48:00 -
[61]
Originally by: Jessie Banda
Originally by: Avon
Originally by: w0rmy
Originally by: Da Death
I absolutely agree that isk seller should NOT on official eve sites. It will makes it look like its 'legal' to sell ISK. I wondered myself a few times why it is possible for the to do it without sactioning from ccp.
This is it. Most people dont read EULA, so when the see an official fan site, with these ads, not knowing how google ads work...
Us dumb people get confuzzled easily.
Good.
Then dumb people will get banned.
Not a bad thing, especially as you need a valid account to post on the forums.
Everyone is a winner.
In fact, I want to see more ISK selling ads.
So now ppl are not allowed to play because they don't meet your intellectual standards either? tsk. come with some good counter arguements or dont argue at all.
Not my standards.
W0rmy said that dumb people would be somehow brainwashed in to buying ISK, and I pointed out that those dumb people would get banned for doing so.
He also used the word 'us' when he refered to dumb people, which I took as an admission of his own intellctual difficulties.
If someone follows a link from this site to a fan site, and then sees an ad for ISK sales, clicks on that ad, buys ISK, and gets banned, how can you lay the entire blame on the site with the ads?
The person at fault is the person who buys the ISK. Ignorance is no defence.
The Battleships is not and should not be a solo pwnmobile - Oveur |
Nev Clavain
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Posted - 2006.03.21 15:50:00 -
[62]
Originally by: Jessie Banda
Still it's their responsability that they show google ads, wich are by any means a lot of isk selling ads. The times I've visited eve-radio's website, I've not seen anything BUT isk selling commercials. Might just be me being unfortunate, but that's the way it is.
And yes it is their responsability, for letting this go on and on. unless the ppl of eve radio are completely blind and can't see the ads themselves`?? I'd like an official eve radio comment on this one!
There are bigger problems in the world. I wouldn't worry about it too much. Isk selling, or currency selling in all mmos is never ever going to be stopped. Better get used to it. Advertising isnt the problem - the problem is that some people want to buy isk, and other people want to sell it. There is no way you can restrict this.
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Charlize Chips
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Posted - 2006.03.21 15:52:00 -
[63]
CCP officially support fan sites that contain ISK seller ads. This is WRONG! Why don't people see this, finding so many excuses to justify it?
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w0rmy
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Posted - 2006.03.21 15:53:00 -
[64]
Originally by: Avon
W0rmy said that dumb people would be somehow brainwashed in to buying ISK, and I pointed out that those dumb people would get banned for doing so.
I did? which thread was this? 
Originally by: Avon
He also used the word 'us' when he refered to dumb people, which I took as an admission of his own intellctual difficulties.
Yes, I am mentally challenged. But that will stop when you stop challenging my comments.
Of course people whine, its cause your sig sucks
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Jessie Banda
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Posted - 2006.03.21 15:53:00 -
[65]
Originally by: Mag's
It boils down to this..
1. It's their site, so therefor they can place on it anything they see fit.
2. Just because Google links to ads for isk, may make it look legit, but ignorance of the EULA is no excuse.
3. If it bothers you so much, why not offer to pay for the up-keep of each and every site that disgusts you so.
1. yes its their site.. and can place anything on it they see fit. including google links. But in the case they do, they should not be on the official fan page list.
2. no of course it's not an excuse, but still it affects weaker persons, just like e.g. ppl in some countries burn flags and embassies, because they think it's the proper action, because their medias tell them so. It's a basic fact that ppl will do things they wouldn't else do, if it wasn't for the influence of medias, claiming it's alright, even if it's not.
3. why would I ever pay for those sites? they're clearly run by greedy amoral persons to begin with, and should have died out a long time ago. The sites running with these adds are just as bad as the sites selling the isks, since they make money on the ads for the sites who sell isk.
Here's the food chain: customer who buys isk pays to isk seller... iskseller pays to google for the ad, google pays the site who displays the add for the add... so in fact they make money on ppl buyin isk.
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Avon
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Posted - 2006.03.21 15:54:00 -
[66]
Originally by: Charlize Chips
CCP officially support fan sites that contain ISK seller ads. This is WRONG! Why don't people see this, finding so many excuses to justify it?
If CCP don't think it is a problem, it isn't.
The Battleships is not and should not be a solo pwnmobile - Oveur |
w0rmy
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Posted - 2006.03.21 15:55:00 -
[67]
Originally by: Jessie Banda
But in the case they do, they should not be on the official fan page list.
Nail head WHACK!
Of course people whine, its cause your sig sucks
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SkaffenAmtiskaw
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Posted - 2006.03.21 15:57:00 -
[68]
Originally by: Jessie Banda
3. why would I ever pay for those sites? they're clearly run by greedy amoral persons to begin with, and should have died out a long time ago. The sites running with these adds are just as bad as the sites selling the isks, since they make money on the ads for the sites who sell isk.
Here's the food chain: customer who buys isk pays to isk seller... iskseller pays to google for the ad, google pays the site who displays the add for the add... so in fact they make money on ppl buyin isk.
So you don't use google then, as by your logic they are in the chain of ebil isk selling and so should have died out long ago?
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Sir Juri
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Posted - 2006.03.21 15:57:00 -
[69]
officially support? you need to read up on fansites rules. Cant stand the ads dont look dont go there me for an example find it very easy to ignore google ads TBH its alittle dot on the screen basically.
ppl whining about this dont know what it takes to run a webiste with a .com big server and also dont know what it takes to censure google ads and how that works, also dont know how much it costs for the whole thing. Its fair to complain but it aint CCP, googles or sometimes the sites fault.
PS: most sites will refer you to email them about ISK selling ads perhaps you havnt done this and host dont have time.
Im a noob, bear with me :P |
Mag's
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Posted - 2006.03.21 16:00:00 -
[70]
Originally by: Jessie Banda
1. yes its their site.. and can place anything on it they see fit. including google links. But in the case they do, they should not be on the official fan page list.
2. no of course it's not an excuse, but still it affects weaker persons, just like e.g. ppl in some countries burn flags and embassies, because they think it's the proper action, because their medias tell them so. It's a basic fact that ppl will do things they wouldn't else do, if it wasn't for the influence of medias, claiming it's alright, even if it's not.
3. why would I ever pay for those sites? they're clearly run by greedy amoral persons to begin with, and should have died out a long time ago. The sites running with these adds are just as bad as the sites selling the isks, since they make money on the ads for the sites who sell isk.
Here's the food chain: customer who buys isk pays to isk seller... iskseller pays to google for the ad, google pays the site who displays the add for the add... so in fact they make money on ppl buyin isk.
1. CCP own EvE, if they think it's ok to link to those sites, it's ok to link to those sites, period.
2. CCP cannot be made responsible for weak minded people, who you seem to think would jump of a cliff, if an ad told them to.
3. Oh i'm so glad you live in a world that's so black and white, without any shades of grey what so ever.
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Jessie Banda
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Posted - 2006.03.21 16:01:00 -
[71]
Originally by: Sir Juri
officially support? you need to read up on fansites rules. Cant stand the ads dont look dont go there me for an example find it very easy to ignore google ads TBH its alittle dot on the screen basically.
ppl whining about this dont know what it takes to run a webiste with a .com big server and also dont know what it takes to censure google ads and how that works, also dont know how much it costs for the whole thing. Its fair to complain but it aint CCP, googles or sometimes the sites fault.
PS: most sites will refer you to email them about ISK selling ads perhaps you havnt done this and host dont have time.
No admitted I haven't emailed eve radio about this.. since it's pretty obvious, because they're always there. I've never ever been to their site without seeing at least 2-3 of them already on the frontpage. That alone should be a sign that there is a problem, unless they endorse these commercials. But let's get an official eve radio answer to that question? and a ccp answer would also be nice.
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Charlize Chips
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Posted - 2006.03.21 16:02:00 -
[72]
Edited by: Charlize Chips on 21/03/2006 16:05:02
Yeah more EVE Radio comments, more CCP and less BoB would be good.
How about EVE Radio just put a message on their front page reminding people that ISK buying is against the EULA. Then they could keep their ads and keep their income, but the weak-minded wouldn't be swayed so much to the dark side.
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Sir Juri
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Posted - 2006.03.21 16:05:00 -
[73]
Edited by: Sir Juri on 21/03/2006 16:06:42
Originally by: Jessie Banda
Originally by: Sir Juri
officially support? you need to read up on fansites rules. Cant stand the ads dont look dont go there me for an example find it very easy to ignore google ads TBH its alittle dot on the screen basically.
ppl whining about this dont know what it takes to run a webiste with a .com big server and also dont know what it takes to censure google ads and how that works, also dont know how much it costs for the whole thing. Its fair to complain but it aint CCP, googles or sometimes the sites fault.
PS: most sites will refer you to email them about ISK selling ads perhaps you havnt done this and host dont have time.
No admitted I haven't emailed eve radio about this.. since it's pretty obvious, because they're always there. I've never ever been to their site without seeing at least 2-3 of them already on the frontpage. That alone should be a sign that there is a problem, unless they endorse these commercials. But let's get an official eve radio answer to that question? and a ccp answer would also be nice.
TBH you know nothing and your comments are pointless. I know eve-radio has removed ISK ads before, but you forget how much work these guys got ever occured to you they dont have time to remove new ads daily? ah why care your a gamer that plays a few hours and think if you had the webiste then you bla bla runnin a website like that one requires ALOT of work!!! not to mention they prolly ahve real work to in RL and a freakin RL for that matter... point is its grey not black and white!
Im a noob, bear with me :P |
Jessie Banda
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Posted - 2006.03.21 16:08:00 -
[74]
Originally by: Sir Juri
Originally by: Jessie Banda
Originally by: Sir Juri
officially support? you need to read up on fansites rules. Cant stand the ads dont look dont go there me for an example find it very easy to ignore google ads TBH its alittle dot on the screen basically.
ppl whining about this dont know what it takes to run a webiste with a .com big server and also dont know what it takes to censure google ads and how that works, also dont know how much it costs for the whole thing. Its fair to complain but it aint CCP, googles or sometimes the sites fault.
PS: most sites will refer you to email them about ISK selling ads perhaps you havnt done this and host dont have time.
No admitted I haven't emailed eve radio about this.. since it's pretty obvious, because they're always there. I've never ever been to their site without seeing at least 2-3 of them already on the frontpage. That alone should be a sign that there is a problem, unless they endorse these commercials. But let's get an official eve radio answer to that question? and a ccp answer would also be nice.
TBH you know nothing and your comments are pointless. I know eve-radio has removed ISK ads before, but you forget how much work these guys got ever occured to you they dont have time to remove new ads daily? ah why care your a gamer that plays a few hours and think if you had the webiste then you bla bla runnin a website like that one requires ALOT of work!!!
You keep saying I don't know about that... well how would you know that? Tbh I do know quite abit about this kinda stuff, and yes I do put a lot of work in other sites, that btw isn't supported by google or any other ads for that matter.
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ToxicFire
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Posted - 2006.03.21 16:09:00 -
[75]
Google adds are based on the content of the site, That is why Ctrl+Alt+Del has low occurances of gold farming adverts because it doesn't highlight one specific topic that can be associated with those kinda adverts, But it does have lots of gaming adverts because the site has alot of references to gaming. It is not possible to completely control what ad's come up, There is a certain level of freedom of speech.
Infact the Problem here isn't the sites with the isk seller add's, heck it isn't even the isk sellers fault, its your fault, and my fault, our fault, as a community for allowing these types of people that generate the isk get a foothold and sell them and even worse than that are the aspects of the community that buy that isk, those are the cause of all the problems todo with isk selling and macro's.
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Sir Juri
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Posted - 2006.03.21 16:13:00 -
[76]
Originally by: Jessie Banda
Originally by: Sir Juri
Originally by: Jessie Banda
Originally by: Sir Juri
officially support? you need to read up on fansites rules. Cant stand the ads dont look dont go there me for an example find it very easy to ignore google ads TBH its alittle dot on the screen basically.
ppl whining about this dont know what it takes to run a webiste with a .com big server and also dont know what it takes to censure google ads and how that works, also dont know how much it costs for the whole thing. Its fair to complain but it aint CCP, googles or sometimes the sites fault.
PS: most sites will refer you to email them about ISK selling ads perhaps you havnt done this and host dont have time.
No admitted I haven't emailed eve radio about this.. since it's pretty obvious, because they're always there. I've never ever been to their site without seeing at least 2-3 of them already on the frontpage. That alone should be a sign that there is a problem, unless they endorse these commercials. But let's get an official eve radio answer to that question? and a ccp answer would also be nice.
TBH you know nothing and your comments are pointless. I know eve-radio has removed ISK ads before, but you forget how much work these guys got ever occured to you they dont have time to remove new ads daily? ah why care your a gamer that plays a few hours and think if you had the webiste then you bla bla runnin a website like that one requires ALOT of work!!!
You keep saying I don't know about that... well how would you know that? Tbh I do know quite abit about this kinda stuff, and yes I do put a lot of work in other sites, that btw isn't supported by google or any other ads for that matter.
well if you have the cash to pay for a site with domain server bandwith content etc. from your own cash thats cool sorry I dont have that kind of money for the longrun without an income of the site, and the workload I guess you found all your cash in a tree cause most ppl like me dont have time for the workload of a site alone with ppl demanding new content. Even when spending all time on it theres more urgent matters then the google ads on the website.
Im a noob, bear with me :P |
Mia Archer
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Posted - 2006.03.21 16:15:00 -
[77]
Think about it... those that put up google ads and claim that its not their fault that google selects particular sites are fools.
Who is going to PAY for advertising in an eve related context?
CCP (although adwords wouldnt be worth it for them) and ISK SELLERS. There are no other people who would PAY for advertising in this context, so its obvious what kind of advertisments an eve related site with google adwords will present.
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Sir Juri
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Posted - 2006.03.21 16:20:00 -
[78]
Originally by: Mia Archer
Think about it... those that put up google ads and claim that its not their fault that google selects particular sites are fools.
Who is going to PAY for advertising in an eve related context?
CCP (although adwords wouldnt be worth it for them) and ISK SELLERS. There are no other people who would PAY for advertising in this context, so its obvious what kind of advertisments an eve related site with google adwords will present.
good point! well now that we determined who the evil, evil... meh I dont care!
Im a noob, bear with me :P |
Jessie Banda
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Posted - 2006.03.21 16:21:00 -
[79]
Originally by: Mia Archer
Think about it... those that put up google ads and claim that its not their fault that google selects particular sites are fools.
Who is going to PAY for advertising in an eve related context?
CCP (although adwords wouldnt be worth it for them) and ISK SELLERS. There are no other people who would PAY for advertising in this context, so its obvious what kind of advertisments an eve related site with google adwords will present.
So true so true :D
Funny how ppl keep defending the sites using these commercials btw. Makes you wonder if they've got interrest in the isk trade themselves?
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Sir Juri
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Posted - 2006.03.21 16:24:00 -
[80]
Originally by: Jessie Banda
Originally by: Mia Archer
Think about it... those that put up google ads and claim that its not their fault that google selects particular sites are fools.
Who is going to PAY for advertising in an eve related context?
CCP (although adwords wouldnt be worth it for them) and ISK SELLERS. There are no other people who would PAY for advertising in this context, so its obvious what kind of advertisments an eve related site with google adwords will present.
So true so true :D
Funny how ppl keep defending the sites using these commercials btw. Makes you wonder if they've got interrest in the isk trade themselves?
prolly just as much as a KIOSK has in the tobacco industry...
Im a noob, bear with me :P |
Avon
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Posted - 2006.03.21 16:25:00 -
[81]
Originally by: Jessie Banda
So true so true :D
Funny how ppl keep defending the sites using these commercials btw. Makes you wonder if they've got interrest in the isk trade themselves?
The second 'If you don't agree with me you are part of the conspiracy' post of the day!
Maybe, just maybe, the people defending these sites are interested not in the ISK trade, but the community?
Would we like to see all the ads gone?
Sure.
Would we like to see all the sites gone too?
No.
It is all too easy to take an idealistic approach for an ivory tower, but you have to be more pragmatic.
The Battleships is not and should not be a solo pwnmobile - Oveur |
Mag's
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Posted - 2006.03.21 16:32:00 -
[82]
Edited by: Mag''s on 21/03/2006 16:34:30
Originally by: Jessie Banda
Originally by: Mia Archer
Think about it... those that put up google ads and claim that its not their fault that google selects particular sites are fools.
Who is going to PAY for advertising in an eve related context?
CCP (although adwords wouldnt be worth it for them) and ISK SELLERS. There are no other people who would PAY for advertising in this context, so its obvious what kind of advertisments an eve related site with google adwords will present.
So true so true :D
Funny how ppl keep defending the sites using these commercials btw. Makes you wonder if they've got interrest in the isk trade themselves?
Well with that kinda logic, you must be one of those people who think it's ok to change old nursey rhymes into a more PC friendly wording.
Bah Bah rainbow sheep 4tw.
(Oh and for those who don't know that rhyme relates to the taxes people had to pay on white but not black wool.)
edit speelin.
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Jessie Banda
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Posted - 2006.03.21 16:40:00 -
[83]
just that from some of the former comments from people, it seems like at least some of them simply want to shut me up, because they do have part in the iskselling business. Might be me being wrong, but it really looks like...
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Mag's
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Posted - 2006.03.21 16:42:00 -
[84]
Originally by: Jessie Banda
just that from some of the former comments from people, it seems like at least some of them simply want to shut me up, because they do have part in the iskselling business. Might be me being wrong, but it really looks like...
logic has left the building......
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Sir Juri
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Posted - 2006.03.21 16:43:00 -
[85]
Originally by: Jessie Banda
just that from some of the former comments from people, it seems like at least some of them simply want to shut me up, because they do have part in the iskselling business. Might be me being wrong, but it really looks like...
your paranoid  hope you dont think everytime your wrong its because of a conspiracy if thats the case you need some meds!
*hands out a jar of pills*
Im a noob, bear with me :P |
pshepherd
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Posted - 2006.03.21 16:44:00 -
[86]
Originally by: Jessie Banda
just that from some of the former comments from people, it seems like at least some of them simply want to shut me up, because they do have part in the iskselling business. Might be me being wrong, but it really looks like...
No, we don't like the isk selling buisness, but if many of these sites weren't linked, then new players would have a MUCH harder time finding out tips in certain professions.
Once again, its not possiable to ban every isk-selling IP in google because their rotated in order to get around this. And without an income, the player sites would have to shut down (once again, also bad for new players).
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Usul Faust
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Posted - 2006.03.21 16:49:00 -
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Edited by: Usul Faust on 21/03/2006 16:55:05
Quote:
just that from some of the former comments from people, it seems like at least some of them simply want to shut me up, because they do have part in the iskselling business. Might be me being wrong, but it really looks like...
Right. it's all a big conspiracy, just like The Fugative! and you're the one armed man, but you're actually innocent. Except you're trying to imply that Han Solo killed that woman because he dosen't agree with your frankly bizzare obsession with isk trading. So it's not much like The Fugitive at all. But i'm still like Han Solo.
Adverts for isk aren't a big deal. I've seen isk advertised in dozens of places, hundreds of times, and have never bought or sold a single isk. Ever. And since Eve is just a computergame anyway, i have zero interest in buying/selling any. Ever. At the end of the day you're 'disgusted' and full of moral outrage, but over what?
that somebody, somewhere, might be tempted to buy some isk? honestly, who cares.
no skills, just luck.
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Avon
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Posted - 2006.03.21 16:56:00 -
[88]
Originally by: Jessie Banda
just that from some of the former comments from people, it seems like at least some of them simply want to shut me up, because they do have part in the iskselling business. Might be me being wrong, but it really looks like...
If we wanted to shut you up we'd just all agree with you.
Truth is, we think you're funny.
The Battleships is not and should not be a solo pwnmobile - Oveur |
HippoKing
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Posted - 2006.03.21 16:57:00 -
[89]
Originally by: Usul Faust
Originally by: Jessie Banda
Still ccp links to this site. and other sites for that matter. this is not only an attack on eve radio. it's an attack on all fansites showing ads for isk sellers. Then at least they should be removed from the official link list, unless ccp decides to change the rules for selling isk.
How can you be a officially registred fansite when you encourage ppl to break the eula?
by your logic: I smoke 40 a day, so i'm encouraging you to get lung cancer.
no its not, its "i know where to get cigarrettes, so i'm encouraging you get lung cancer"
sigs of the 23/24/25 hijack just as well -eris
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Locke DieDrake
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Posted - 2006.03.21 16:58:00 -
[90]
Originally by: Charlize Chips
It is eve radio's responsibility to only display content which doesn't breach any rules on their website. Can't go blaming google, they aren't breaking any laws or rules of their own.
And EVE radio is NOT displaying Ads of any kind of isk. Check the source for the web site, not a single isk seller ad. Therefore EVE radio is NOT hosting or supporting Isk seller ads. FIN
Some of you clearly don't understand how the internet works in the slightest. And thats fine, but don't come on here complaining about it until you have some clue as to how it works.
Also aside from being against the rules, WTF is the big deal with isk sellers? GTC's are the same thing, but with a better exchange rate.
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Sir Juri
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Posted - 2006.03.21 17:06:00 -
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Edited by: Sir Juri on 21/03/2006 17:06:16
doubble post...
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Sir Juri
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Posted - 2006.03.21 17:06:00 -
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allways fun to see a post about morals from 13 year old kids. When you grow up youll see that the world aint what you seen on disney shows
Im a noob, bear with me :P |
Charlize Chips
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Posted - 2006.03.21 17:10:00 -
[93]
lways fun to see posts by people who think they know ANYTHING about the RL of other players.
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Lori Carlyle
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Posted - 2006.03.21 17:36:00 -
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I agree with the OP point of view, I know how google ads work and they help keep a lot of sites active for a lot of people, however if the fan sites admin is to lazy to talk to google about filtering them then they SHOULD NOT be linked from the site of the game.
If i built a site around eve, a game i've put time and money into, then i would not want ads or content that would break any rules of that game, if eve radio or any other fan site put up content on how to macro mine or other rule breaking content then how many people would give it a try just to see if they could do it ?.
And lets just face one FACT google adds only pay for people clicking on the links, not having them displayed so yes people are visiting the linked content.
PINK PINK PINK PINK PINK ERISGREEN
Eris <3 Meh!
Me Need Sig.. |
Sir Juri
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Posted - 2006.03.21 17:47:00 -
[95]
Originally by: Lori Carlyle
I agree with the OP point of view, I know how google ads work and they help keep a lot of sites active for a lot of people, however if the fan sites admin is to lazy to talk to google about filtering them then they SHOULD NOT be linked from the site of the game.
If i built a site around eve, a game i've put time and money into, then i would not want ads or content that would break any rules of that game, if eve radio or any other fan site put up content on how to macro mine or other rule breaking content then how many people would give it a try just to see if they could do it ?.
And lets just face one FACT google adds only pay for people clicking on the links, not having them displayed so yes people are visiting the linked content.
most of what you claim is wrong or you wont know unless you for example actually work with eve-radio.com unless you dont you dont know. And wanting ad free is not the same thing as you can have no ads at all, it depends on the cash the site owner has and is willing to spend and with google ads time to spend on it.
Yes it would be great if no sites on the interent ever had any ads at all but interent aint some "free for geeks with spare time to make websites". Internet is just the same as real life buisness.
On xbox they had fan sites with playstation stuff to and buying action replay and viagra and so on, TV watching a film etc jikes if you cant "look the otherway" then dont go there and send a signal you wont going to there website unless or send a mail pointing it out to website hosts.
If CCP should or should not well if they do then a new site will pop with all these links to all community sites that surely will have ads on its own better or worse? bottom line is from my view is "I dont care"! dont get why ppl get so worked up about it either but yeah I dont like it but not liking it and making it a cause
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meoff
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Posted - 2006.03.21 17:59:00 -
[96]
Originally by: BlackHole Bob
Edited by: BlackHole Bob on 21/03/2006 15:43:55
Our sites AD FREE and we are VERY EVE related and took in ALOT of traffic the past month
greed causes isk crap sales...
evegathering.com WILL never have ANY ADS for ISK ...EVER
to all you fansite sporting google ads for isk or any ISK ad forsale for cash what so ever....
heres my sentiments..
your greedy fools...i avoid those sites once i see the ads...and never visit again...EVER
if you have to run google ads to supposedly make money or any ISK ads for that matter...YOUR WRONG PERIOD and your website SUCKS period...
who cares how good your site is...your greedy is all there is to it...
by the way everything i need is in game and i rarely if at all need to go outside eve's offical site for any info on ANY fansite
While I support your statement your site has a link to Eve Radio which is being discussed here.
Page with links
Your site looks like a very offical type CCP site, even though it is not, so you point is moot.
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Lori Carlyle
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Posted - 2006.03.21 18:01:00 -
[97]
Originally by: Sir Juri
Originally by: Lori Carlyle
I agree with the OP point of view, I know how google ads work and they help keep a lot of sites active for a lot of people, however if the fan sites admin is to lazy to talk to google about filtering them then they SHOULD NOT be linked from the site of the game.
If i built a site around eve, a game i've put time and money into, then i would not want ads or content that would break any rules of that game, if eve radio or any other fan site put up content on how to macro mine or other rule breaking content then how many people would give it a try just to see if they could do it ?.
And lets just face one FACT google adds only pay for people clicking on the links, not having them displayed so yes people are visiting the linked content.
most of what you claim is wrong or you wont know unless you for example actually work with eve-radio.com unless you dont you dont know. And wanting ad free is not the same thing as you can have no ads at all, it depends on the cash the site owner has and is willing to spend and with google ads time to spend on it.
Yes it would be great if no sites on the interent ever had any ads at all but interent aint some "free for geeks with spare time to make websites". Internet is just the same as real life buisness.
On xbox they had fan sites with playstation stuff to and buying action replay and viagra and so on, TV watching a film etc jikes if you cant "look the otherway" then dont go there and send a signal you wont going to there website unless or send a mail pointing it out to website hosts.
If CCP should or should not well if they do then a new site will pop with all these links to all community sites that surely will have ads on its own better or worse? bottom line is from my view is "I dont care"! dont get why ppl get so worked up about it either but yeah I dont like it but not liking it and making it a cause
so what points am i wrong on ?..
yes it would be great if the net was ad free, even the Mechwarrior league system i've been a member of for years now has google ads :( however everything i said is fact.
1. Google ads pay for each link clicked on, = people are clicking on them
2. if a step by step guide to marco mining was listed on a fan site, some people would be tempted.
3. if i build a eve fan site, i'd not want buy isk here ads,
PINK PINK PINK PINK PINK ERISGREEN
Eris <3 Meh!
Me Need Sig.. |
Sir Juri
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Posted - 2006.03.21 18:02:00 -
[98]
Originally by: meoff
Originally by: BlackHole Bob
Edited by: BlackHole Bob on 21/03/2006 15:43:55
Our sites AD FREE and we are VERY EVE related and took in ALOT of traffic the past month
greed causes isk crap sales...
evegathering.com WILL never have ANY ADS for ISK ...EVER
to all you fansite sporting google ads for isk or any ISK ad forsale for cash what so ever....
heres my sentiments..
your greedy fools...i avoid those sites once i see the ads...and never visit again...EVER
if you have to run google ads to supposedly make money or any ISK ads for that matter...YOUR WRONG PERIOD and your website SUCKS period...
who cares how good your site is...your greedy is all there is to it...
by the way everything i need is in game and i rarely if at all need to go outside eve's offical site for any info on ANY fansite
While I support your statement your site has a link to Eve Radio which is being discussed here.
Page with links
Your site looks like a very offical type CCP site, even though it is not, so you point is moot.
your link to a site has a link to one with a link to
Im a noob, bear with me :P |
meoff
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Posted - 2006.03.21 18:08:00 -
[99]
Originally by: Sir Juri
your link to a site has a link to one with a link to
Which is my point - as Bob pointed out his site took a lot of traffic, so people visiting his site might have seen that link on his page, clicked it and Voila....
An indirect and probably not intended endorsement for the very thing he says he would never do.
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MonaLisa Overdrive
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Posted - 2006.03.21 18:18:00 -
[100]
Originally by: Jessie Banda
How can you be a officially registred fansite when you encourage ppl to break the eula?
Good question.
I think selling and buying ingame stuff, with outgame resources is violating the ingame experience.
/MonaLisa Overdrive
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MonaLisa Overdrive
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Posted - 2006.03.21 18:24:00 -
[101]
Originally by: Sir Juri
allways fun to see a post about morals from 13 year old kids. When you grow up youll see that the world aint what you seen on disney shows
Yes.
And in the growen up world ppl tend to take moral etc. more seriusly.
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Sir Juri
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Posted - 2006.03.21 18:29:00 -
[102]
Edited by: Sir Juri on 21/03/2006 18:33:35
Originally by: MonaLisa Overdrive
Originally by: Sir Juri
allways fun to see a post about morals from 13 year old kids. When you grow up youll see that the world aint what you seen on disney shows
Yes.
And in the growen up world ppl tend to take moral etc. more seriusly.
sorry
PS: grown* and dont forget "mature"
Im a noob, bear with me :P |
Mag's
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Posted - 2006.03.21 18:47:00 -
[103]
So lets recap.
Those of us that disagree with the OP, are all ebil isk sellers. 
Elvis is still alive and lives with Tupac, above a chip shop in Dorset.
http://www.albinoblacksheep.com/flash/posting.php |
Jessie Banda
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Posted - 2006.03.21 18:48:00 -
[104]
Originally by: Locke DieDrake
Originally by: Charlize Chips
It is eve radio's responsibility to only display content which doesn't breach any rules on their website. Can't go blaming google, they aren't breaking any laws or rules of their own.
And EVE radio is NOT displaying Ads of any kind of isk. Check the source for the web site, not a single isk seller ad. Therefore EVE radio is NOT hosting or supporting Isk seller ads. FIN
Some of you clearly don't understand how the internet works in the slightest. And thats fine, but don't come on here complaining about it until you have some clue as to how it works.
Also aside from being against the rules, WTF is the big deal with isk sellers? GTC's are the same thing, but with a better exchange rate.
It might not be coded directly from eve radio's site, but it is still displayed at their site. Just go to www.eve-radio.com and check it out for yourself. If you scroll down you will see 2 ads from isk sellers. Therefore it is still their responsability, even if they get google ads. If they won't bother to filter it they should stop using google ads or be removed from fan site linkpage.
Hmm... and as for your last question: It is against the rules... simple as that!
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Avon
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Posted - 2006.03.21 18:51:00 -
[105]
Originally by: Jessie Banda
If they won't bother to filter it they should stop using google ads or be removed from fan site linkpage.
Did you not understand the explaination of why filtering Google Ads is, at best, ineffective?
Was it really that hard to comprehend?
The Battleships is not and should not be a solo pwnmobile - Oveur |
Jessie Banda
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Posted - 2006.03.21 18:52:00 -
[106]
Originally by: Mag's
So lets recap.
Those of us that disagree with the OP, are all ebil isk sellers.
Elvis is still alive and lives with Tupac, above a chip shop in Dorset.
you're quite wrong here.. Elvis clearly lives with Alfred Hitchcock in a broom closet in Ulster, wearing a pink cardigan and a big fancy red nose.
what I am sayin is not that everybody disagree with me, is an isk seller. Just a few of the earlier comments suggested that the ppl either were involved with isk selling, or atleast think it's actually a quite good idea.
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Jessie Banda
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Posted - 2006.03.21 18:53:00 -
[107]
Originally by: Avon
Originally by: Jessie Banda
If they won't bother to filter it they should stop using google ads or be removed from fan site linkpage.
Did you not understand the explaination of why filtering Google Ads is, at best, ineffective?
Was it really that hard to comprehend?
Did you not understand the explanation of why filtering Google ads is actually possible? Ref. ctrl-alt-del. site?
Was it really that hard to comprehend?
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Sir Juri
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Posted - 2006.03.21 18:55:00 -
[108]
Originally by: Jessie Banda
Originally by: Mag's
So lets recap.
Those of us that disagree with the OP, are all ebil isk sellers.
Elvis is still alive and lives with Tupac, above a chip shop in Dorset.
you're quite wrong here.. Elvis clearly lives with Alfred Hitchcock in a broom closet in Ulster, wearing a pink cardigan and a big fancy red nose.
what I am sayin is not that everybody disagree with me, is an isk seller. Just a few of the earlier comments suggested that the ppl either were involved with isk selling, or atleast think it's actually a quite good idea.
your wrong Elvis lives with you with mickey mouse and donald duck and lets not forget snow white. Isnt it bedtime soon or?
im sorry cant help it *bad juri bad*
Im a noob, bear with me :P |
Avon
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Posted - 2006.03.21 19:01:00 -
[109]
Originally by: Jessie Banda
Originally by: Avon
Originally by: Jessie Banda
If they won't bother to filter it they should stop using google ads or be removed from fan site linkpage.
Did you not understand the explaination of why filtering Google Ads is, at best, ineffective?
Was it really that hard to comprehend?
Did you not understand the explanation of why filtering Google ads is actually possible? Ref. ctrl-alt-del. site?
Was it really that hard to comprehend?
I didn't say it wasn't possible, it is.
I did however explain why it isn't practical.
The Battleships is not and should not be a solo pwnmobile - Oveur |
Charlize Chips
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Posted - 2006.03.21 20:11:00 -
[110]
Originally by: Avon
I didn't say it wasn't possible, it is.
I did however explain why it isn't practical.
It's not practical to write to the webmaster of the Ctrl-Alt-Del site and get a list of the sites to block?
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Malthros Zenobia
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Posted - 2006.03.21 20:44:00 -
[111]
Originally by: w0rmy
Originally by: Boonaki
You try paying for bandwidth for one of those sites for a month.
Whats next? Google ads on billboards to help CCP pay for new stuff?
If you cant afford something, dont buy it.
Kinda reminds me of the "I want to play EVE but can't afford it so why can't mme and others buy GTCs to screw up balance for others?"
Originally by: Istvaan Shogaatsu
I'm probably one of the biggest Bush fanboys in Eve...
This is like, Darth Vader, can't-reach-climax-without-killing-a-puppy evil.
RAWR!11 Sig Hijack!11 - Imaran |
Charlize Chips
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Posted - 2006.03.21 20:52:00 -
[112]
Bored of this thread now
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Xeserox
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Posted - 2006.03.21 21:21:00 -
[113]
Well, seeing that evegathering said something, i feel it's only right that i say something as well.
I have to say that not just with eve, but any fan site for an MMORPG that supports money selling websites like IGE and what have you, is a bit disgusting. Honestly, you play a game to have funa dn be fair.. and those that buy Isk in our case do tend to ruin the game.
Over at www.eve-underground.com the only advertisment you will see on our front page of our website is for Eve-Online it self. Because all the DJs support eve-online. If you look through the forums, you might find a post up there, that has a link and an advertisment for Isk. Thats only because I keep them on record, so that i can get the IP of the poster to CCP and check up to see if they have taken care of things.
Yes, I go so far to mod the forums, and get the ones that post up for selling isk, IP adress and then report it to CCP. Isk selling is a deplorable act.
Xeserox
www.eve-underground.com
Where the Music Matters
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Dirtball
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Posted - 2006.03.21 22:31:00 -
[114]
I just got huge contracts on about 10 of the corps listed in here you guys ****ed off someone who has some isk.
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Sir Juri
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Posted - 2006.03.21 22:32:00 -
[115]
Originally by: Dirtball
I just got huge contracts on about 10 of the corps listed in here you guys ****ed off someone who has some isk.
Im a noob, bear with me :P |
Caytlyn Rose
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Posted - 2006.03.21 22:34:00 -
[116]
Forgive me if this has been said before, but I skipped 4 pages.
By agreeing with CCP's EULA when you sign up to the game you are committing to a legal contract. Any breach of the EULA results in a breach of contract.
Eve fan sites can have the google ads - just by running them they are doing nothing wrong - but it is highly unethical to tempt people into breaking their contracts.
I don't know about how other countries penalise breach of contract, but it gets very very very expensive where I am :)
BUT - if you dont liek seeing the ads, don't visit those websites.
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Maya Rkell
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Posted - 2006.03.21 22:36:00 -
[117]
Xeserox,
A direct link to IGE is cause for the fansite to be delisted from the front page, sure.
Google Adverts?
I don't know, but I do know I won't use Goggle adverts.
I have and do use links on my own websites (mot Eve-related) like Amazon.com/co.uk, Web hosting affiliate links and so on... where *I* control what's shown
Digital Communist> The Jin-Mei are probably more profficient in training for Tofu and Noodles than Spaceship Command |
Ashelth
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Posted - 2006.03.22 00:07:00 -
[118]
Originally by: Charlize Chips
Why has everybody totally missed the point of this thread?
Yhe fact is, CCP is officially supporting and endorsing fan sites that have ISK selling adverts on them, a clear breach of the EULA. Whoever you try to blame for that and whatever you say about money and supporting fan sites blah blah, the fact remains. CCP officially supports a site which breaks its own EULA. That is WRONG.
Man this makes less sense than the OJ trial defense :/
The ONLY people to blame for buying isk/characters/loot for real money are the people selling and buying.
That's it. There's this cool concept called 'accountability' which is being slowly removed from most societies.
It's not CCP's job to make you follow the EULA, nor is it mine, google's, ebay's or anyone elses.
ALL the EULA allows CCP to do is to have a legal defense for 1) removing you from their networks and 2) not having to refund or compensate you one iota for removing you.
If anything, I'd FULLY support the eve-online webpage to having isk selling sites as adds on the front page. Because it would be a nice litmus test for the stupid. You click through the link they get your IP, that flags your IP range and is correlated to a set of characters. You then monitor those characters for any transactions of goods or materials that is suspicious then permaban all parties involved.
Anyway, last 3 times I checked out those places offering to sell eve stuff there was like 1 character for sale that had enough information on there for CCP to determine who the character is. Does anyone honestly think someone at CCP with full access to the database doesn't get as bored as I do periodically? :D
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w0rmy
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Posted - 2006.03.22 00:16:00 -
[119]
Originally by: Avon
Like I have said multiple times now, the sites keep changing.
The advertisers know people will try and get them blocked, and so they move around.
So do spammers...
But blocking their hosts regardless of how quick they move IS effective. Its just not a silver bullet.
If youd had any real world experience dealing with it, then youd have a better understanding.
Doing nothing < Doing something
I figured even you would have got that one
Of course people whine, its cause your sig sucks
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Avon
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Posted - 2006.03.22 02:19:00 -
[120]
Originally by: w0rmy
Originally by: Avon
Like I have said multiple times now, the sites keep changing.
The advertisers know people will try and get them blocked, and so they move around.
So do spammers...
But blocking their hosts regardless of how quick they move IS effective. Its just not a silver bullet.
If youd had any real world experience dealing with it, then youd have a better understanding.
Doing nothing < Doing something
I figured even you would have got that one
FYI I run 11 websites, 4 of which use goodle ads to pay for their bandwidth and hosting costs.
I deal with google ad related issues probably 3 times per week, every week, week in and week out.
My currently active url block list for one site is 331 urls, and still the ads show up again after two or three days.
3 of the 4 google ad supported sites have now opted to putting a disclaimer on their site instead of actively trying to block unwanted ads.
So, to put it mildy, I have far more experience of this than I would like
Personally I would never use Google Ads on any of my sites, but then I can afford decent hosting where others can't
Should the internet, and eve fansites, only be run by those with deep pockets?
The Battleships is not and should not be a solo pwnmobile - Oveur |
Maya Rkell
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Posted - 2006.03.22 02:22:00 -
[121]
When there are hosts like Micfo (http://www.micfo.com), who cost $10 a month for a first-rate host - I use them - then that does wear a little thin.
Lifewire> 8000 m/s, even battleships can do this |
Avon
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Posted - 2006.03.22 02:30:00 -
[122]
Edited by: Avon on 22/03/2006 02:30:31
Originally by: Maya Rkell
When there are hosts like Micfo (http://www.micfo.com), who cost $10 a month for a first-rate host - I use them - then that does wear a little thin.
Oh, so you only have to have a spare $120 to be allowed to host a website for a year?
How very generous of you Maya.
The Battleships is not and should not be a solo pwnmobile - Oveur |
DirtyHarry
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Posted - 2006.03.22 02:53:00 -
[123]
Hmmm, well to start this off, im sure the websites using these banners would be more than happy to take the ads down if you would pay for the hosting cash they would lose to removing them.
Second, just because there is a banner there advertising isk selling does not mean that someone who sees it is automatically going to go and buy the isk, if someone is lame enough to buy that **** CCP can sort them out.
If you dont like the fact these websites advertise IGE or whoever then mail CCP and see what their stance on it is, maybe you will get your wish and they will be removed.
-Havo
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DirtyHarry ~ Havocide - yarr tbh
"Take from the rich and put it on eBay" - zincol |
Jessie Banda
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Posted - 2006.03.22 10:20:00 -
[124]
Edited by: Jessie Banda on 22/03/2006 10:20:33
Originally by: Avon
3 of the 4 google ad supported sites have now opted to putting a disclaimer on their site instead of actively trying to block unwanted ads.
well on e.g. eve-radio's site I don't even see a disclaimer, wich means that they 1) don't care or 2) actually want these ads up and running.
Would be suitable for them to put a disclaimer up on the frontpage in big fonts where everybody could see it.
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Jessie Banda
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Posted - 2006.03.22 10:30:00 -
[125]
Also would like to add that Eve Radio's actually kickin off a commercial venture out of this, with the Gaming Radio Network. They do make rl money out of this, and also they get donations from their listeners. In the writing moment they've gotten ú263.52 in donations this month alone. As stated again in the eula, it is not endorsed for others than CCP, to make money on the game. Hmm.. these two things doesn't really walk hand in hand now does it? I know the donations are to cover costs.. or so they say.. but with ú450 as goal pr. month, that is more than what would be nessecary to cover the costs of running the site, and shoutcast servers, if you care to shop around for a cheap but good host. Quite a bit more than the $120/year someone mentioned earlier in this thread. if they do reach their goal of ú450 each month, it's ú5400 a year. Don't come tell me that's not more than enough to cover the cost of the site... and then some.
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Avon
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Posted - 2006.03.22 10:35:00 -
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Originally by: Jessie Banda
Also would like to add that Eve Radio's actually kickin off a commercial venture out of this, with the Gaming Radio Network. They do make rl money out of this, and also they get donations from their listeners. In the writing moment they've gotten ú263.52 in donations this month alone. As stated again in the eula, it is not endorsed for others than CCP, to make money on the game. Hmm.. these two things doesn't really walk hand in hand now does it? I know the donations are to cover costs.. or so they say.. but with ú450 as goal pr. month, that is more than what would be nessecary to cover the costs of running the site, and shoutcast servers, if you care to shop around for a cheap but good host. Quite a bit more than the $120/year someone mentioned earlier in this thread. if they do reach their goal of ú450 each month, it's ú5400 a year. Don't come tell me that's not more than enough to cover the cost of the site... and then some.
Have you got even the slightest idea how much streaming media (like shoutcast) actually costs to run?
It isn't like using a static web host.
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Usul Faust
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Posted - 2006.03.22 10:45:00 -
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Originally by: Jessie Banda
Also would like to add that Eve Radio's actually kickin off a commercial venture out of this, with the Gaming Radio Network. They do make rl money out of this, and also they get donations from their listeners. In the writing moment they've gotten ú263.52 in donations this month alone. As stated again in the eula, it is not endorsed for others than CCP, to make money on the game. Hmm.. these two things doesn't really walk hand in hand now does it? I know the donations are to cover costs.. or so they say.. but with ú450 as goal pr. month, that is more than what would be nessecary to cover the costs of running the site, and shoutcast servers, if you care to shop around for a cheap but good host. Quite a bit more than the $120/year someone mentioned earlier in this thread. if they do reach their goal of ú450 each month, it's ú5400 a year. Don't come tell me that's not more than enough to cover the cost of the site... and then some.
It would apprear your problem isn't with isk sellers advertising via google, but eve-radio itself.
no skills, just luck.
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Jin Entres
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Posted - 2006.03.22 10:59:00 -
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I have to say that I find those ads annoying and believe that someone less acquainted with or interested in the EULA might easily get the idea that the selling and buying of ingame commodities is accepted and even common or neccessary to stay competitive.
Does the end justify the means then?
It's a bit tricky. EVE Radio is a huge contribution to both the playerbase and CCP.
I would not go as far as to forbid EVE Radio from hosting Google Ads if that would lead to them having to shut down. However, I would encourage both EVE Radio to explore and actively pursue ways to prevent these ads from showing and CCP to remove their link as an official fansite.
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Jessie Banda
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Posted - 2006.03.22 11:18:00 -
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Edited by: Jessie Banda on 22/03/2006 11:19:40
Originally by: Usul Faust
Originally by: Jessie Banda
Also would like to add that Eve Radio's actually kickin off a commercial venture out of this, with the Gaming Radio Network. They do make rl money out of this, and also they get donations from their listeners. In the writing moment they've gotten ú263.52 in donations this month alone. As stated again in the eula, it is not endorsed for others than CCP, to make money on the game. Hmm.. these two things doesn't really walk hand in hand now does it? I know the donations are to cover costs.. or so they say.. but with ú450 as goal pr. month, that is more than what would be nessecary to cover the costs of running the site, and shoutcast servers, if you care to shop around for a cheap but good host. Quite a bit more than the $120/year someone mentioned earlier in this thread. if they do reach their goal of ú450 each month, it's ú5400 a year. Don't come tell me that's not more than enough to cover the cost of the site... and then some.
It would apprear your problem isn't with isk sellers advertising via google, but eve-radio itself.
No it's not only a problem with eve radio, as stated before. They are just the example I've found with most cases of ads. on their front page alone they have 5 ads for selling isk, wich I find to be quite abit of proof that they do encourage this one way or another. For instance does Eve-pirate.com also show google ads, but they do have a big fat disclaimer saying that if you see any isk selling ads on their google ads, please report to admin. Eve news doesn't use google ads at all. Neither does battleclinic. Nor does eve-files.com wich I know also have HUGE amounts of traffic. Definitely more than eve radio btw. and quite a bit more of data capasity. Nor does Warp Drive active.. yet another of the big sites.... appearantly not eve-underground.com who's also a radio and also streaming radio... or eve-db for that matter... hmmm.. these sites are all up on www.eve-online.com's link section of the frontpage.
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Usul Faust
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Posted - 2006.03.22 11:35:00 -
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so you'll stop going on about this if eve-radio put up a disclaimer?
no skills, just luck.
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Jessie Banda
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Posted - 2006.03.22 11:39:00 -
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Edited by: Jessie Banda on 22/03/2006 11:44:32
Well if they put up a big disclaimer, on their front page, near by the ads, and also on their forums, where these ads also appear plenty, they remove the ads or ccp removes them from fan site list yeah.
You by any chance involved with eve-radio any way? Since this bothers you so much?
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Jin Entres
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Posted - 2006.03.22 11:47:00 -
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According to a recent survey by Nick Yee (link), 22% (N = 1923) of respondents said that they had purchased virtual currency, the percentage increasing by age. This would indicate that adverts do reach the audience, and directly affect the amount of 'illegal' transactions.
I just opened the EVE Radio page for test and there were two relatively large adverts on top of the page. I would appreciate if EVE Radio could consider placing a warning in bold right above or below these ads.
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Usul Faust
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Posted - 2006.03.22 11:47:00 -
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I have nothing to do with eve-radio. I actually think it's rubbish, but that's not relevant. I couldn't give a monkey-spunk about people getting themselves banned from Eve, for whatever reason.
What i can't figure out is why you're so upset about this...
Originally by: Jessie Banda
Please CCP do something about this, as soon as possible, since this kind of behaviour advocates for ppl to try and break the eula. Tbh it disgusts me. Quote:
Mmmm. Emotive.
Why does it 'disgust' you? is this honestly the most important thing for you to spend your time doing?
no skills, just luck.
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Usul Faust
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Posted - 2006.03.22 11:54:00 -
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Heck, a bold text WARNING! would probably boost their click-through from curious muppets too. Everybody wins.
no skills, just luck.
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Barf Noodlinger
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Posted - 2006.03.22 11:58:00 -
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Originally by: Avon
FFS people.
The people who run these sites are doing a service to the community, and Google Ads pay the way.
If you don't like it, don't use the sites, or write to Google to complain.
Besides the obvious SERVICE ?!
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Sergio Ling
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Posted - 2006.03.22 12:04:00 -
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Originally by: Maya Rkell
When there are hosts like Micfo (http://www.micfo.com), who cost $10 a month for a first-rate host - I use them - then that does wear a little thin.
that's great. and does your first rate host allow you to stream gigabytes of data 24/7? cos for 10dollah, that's cheap
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Laqum
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Posted - 2006.03.22 12:06:00 -
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*click* - This thread has derailed.
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Avon
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Posted - 2006.03.22 12:07:00 -
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Originally by: Barf Noodlinger
Originally by: Avon
FFS people.
The people who run these sites are doing a service to the community, and Google Ads pay the way.
If you don't like it, don't use the sites, or write to Google to complain.
Besides the obvious SERVICE ?!
This is really starting to annoy me now.
Eve existed as a community long before the game was even released.
If you don't want to be part of the community, that's fine, stay out, cool, whatever.
However, people comming here preaching how people, who have gone out of their way to bring more to Eve, are doing something evil by finding a way to mitigate their webhost costs need to just shut up.
CCP values its community.
It understands that without it Eve would be a shadow of what it has become.
Now, neither CCP or the community want these ads, but they are for some a needed evil.
CCP have known about the ads on these sites for a long time, and have obviously decided that supporting their community is more important than worrying about some adverts. If they objected strongly those sites would have lost their 'official' links a long time ago.
Cut all the idealistic crusading crap and come visit the real world for a while.
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