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Maya Rkell
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Posted - 2006.03.22 02:22:00 -
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When there are hosts like Micfo (http://www.micfo.com), who cost $10 a month for a first-rate host - I use them - then that does wear a little thin.
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Avon
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Posted - 2006.03.22 02:30:00 -
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Edited by: Avon on 22/03/2006 02:30:31
 Originally by: Maya Rkell
When there are hosts like Micfo (http://www.micfo.com), who cost $10 a month for a first-rate host - I use them - then that does wear a little thin.
Oh, so you only have to have a spare $120 to be allowed to host a website for a year?
How very generous of you Maya.
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DirtyHarry
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Posted - 2006.03.22 02:53:00 -
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Hmmm, well to start this off, im sure the websites using these banners would be more than happy to take the ads down if you would pay for the hosting cash they would lose to removing them.
Second, just because there is a banner there advertising isk selling does not mean that someone who sees it is automatically going to go and buy the isk, if someone is lame enough to buy that **** CCP can sort them out.
If you dont like the fact these websites advertise IGE or whoever then mail CCP and see what their stance on it is, maybe you will get your wish and they will be removed.
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Jessie Banda
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Posted - 2006.03.22 10:20:00 -
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Edited by: Jessie Banda on 22/03/2006 10:20:33
Originally by: Avon
3 of the 4 google ad supported sites have now opted to putting a disclaimer on their site instead of actively trying to block unwanted ads.
well on e.g. eve-radio's site I don't even see a disclaimer, wich means that they 1) don't care or 2) actually want these ads up and running.
Would be suitable for them to put a disclaimer up on the frontpage in big fonts where everybody could see it.
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Jessie Banda
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Posted - 2006.03.22 10:30:00 -
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Also would like to add that Eve Radio's actually kickin off a commercial venture out of this, with the Gaming Radio Network. They do make rl money out of this, and also they get donations from their listeners. In the writing moment they've gotten ú263.52 in donations this month alone. As stated again in the eula, it is not endorsed for others than CCP, to make money on the game. Hmm.. these two things doesn't really walk hand in hand now does it? I know the donations are to cover costs.. or so they say.. but with ú450 as goal pr. month, that is more than what would be nessecary to cover the costs of running the site, and shoutcast servers, if you care to shop around for a cheap but good host. Quite a bit more than the $120/year someone mentioned earlier in this thread. if they do reach their goal of ú450 each month, it's ú5400 a year. Don't come tell me that's not more than enough to cover the cost of the site... and then some.
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Avon
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Posted - 2006.03.22 10:35:00 -
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Originally by: Jessie Banda
Also would like to add that Eve Radio's actually kickin off a commercial venture out of this, with the Gaming Radio Network. They do make rl money out of this, and also they get donations from their listeners. In the writing moment they've gotten ú263.52 in donations this month alone. As stated again in the eula, it is not endorsed for others than CCP, to make money on the game. Hmm.. these two things doesn't really walk hand in hand now does it? I know the donations are to cover costs.. or so they say.. but with ú450 as goal pr. month, that is more than what would be nessecary to cover the costs of running the site, and shoutcast servers, if you care to shop around for a cheap but good host. Quite a bit more than the $120/year someone mentioned earlier in this thread. if they do reach their goal of ú450 each month, it's ú5400 a year. Don't come tell me that's not more than enough to cover the cost of the site... and then some.
Have you got even the slightest idea how much streaming media (like shoutcast) actually costs to run?
It isn't like using a static web host.
The Battleships is not and should not be a solo pwnmobile - Oveur |
Usul Faust
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Posted - 2006.03.22 10:45:00 -
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Originally by: Jessie Banda
Also would like to add that Eve Radio's actually kickin off a commercial venture out of this, with the Gaming Radio Network. They do make rl money out of this, and also they get donations from their listeners. In the writing moment they've gotten ú263.52 in donations this month alone. As stated again in the eula, it is not endorsed for others than CCP, to make money on the game. Hmm.. these two things doesn't really walk hand in hand now does it? I know the donations are to cover costs.. or so they say.. but with ú450 as goal pr. month, that is more than what would be nessecary to cover the costs of running the site, and shoutcast servers, if you care to shop around for a cheap but good host. Quite a bit more than the $120/year someone mentioned earlier in this thread. if they do reach their goal of ú450 each month, it's ú5400 a year. Don't come tell me that's not more than enough to cover the cost of the site... and then some.
It would apprear your problem isn't with isk sellers advertising via google, but eve-radio itself.
no skills, just luck.
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Jin Entres
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Posted - 2006.03.22 10:59:00 -
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I have to say that I find those ads annoying and believe that someone less acquainted with or interested in the EULA might easily get the idea that the selling and buying of ingame commodities is accepted and even common or neccessary to stay competitive.
Does the end justify the means then?
It's a bit tricky. EVE Radio is a huge contribution to both the playerbase and CCP.
I would not go as far as to forbid EVE Radio from hosting Google Ads if that would lead to them having to shut down. However, I would encourage both EVE Radio to explore and actively pursue ways to prevent these ads from showing and CCP to remove their link as an official fansite.
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Jessie Banda
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Posted - 2006.03.22 11:18:00 -
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Edited by: Jessie Banda on 22/03/2006 11:19:40
Originally by: Usul Faust
Originally by: Jessie Banda
Also would like to add that Eve Radio's actually kickin off a commercial venture out of this, with the Gaming Radio Network. They do make rl money out of this, and also they get donations from their listeners. In the writing moment they've gotten ú263.52 in donations this month alone. As stated again in the eula, it is not endorsed for others than CCP, to make money on the game. Hmm.. these two things doesn't really walk hand in hand now does it? I know the donations are to cover costs.. or so they say.. but with ú450 as goal pr. month, that is more than what would be nessecary to cover the costs of running the site, and shoutcast servers, if you care to shop around for a cheap but good host. Quite a bit more than the $120/year someone mentioned earlier in this thread. if they do reach their goal of ú450 each month, it's ú5400 a year. Don't come tell me that's not more than enough to cover the cost of the site... and then some.
It would apprear your problem isn't with isk sellers advertising via google, but eve-radio itself.
No it's not only a problem with eve radio, as stated before. They are just the example I've found with most cases of ads. on their front page alone they have 5 ads for selling isk, wich I find to be quite abit of proof that they do encourage this one way or another. For instance does Eve-pirate.com also show google ads, but they do have a big fat disclaimer saying that if you see any isk selling ads on their google ads, please report to admin. Eve news doesn't use google ads at all. Neither does battleclinic. Nor does eve-files.com wich I know also have HUGE amounts of traffic. Definitely more than eve radio btw. and quite a bit more of data capasity. Nor does Warp Drive active.. yet another of the big sites.... appearantly not eve-underground.com who's also a radio and also streaming radio... or eve-db for that matter... hmmm.. these sites are all up on www.eve-online.com's link section of the frontpage.
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Usul Faust
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Posted - 2006.03.22 11:35:00 -
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so you'll stop going on about this if eve-radio put up a disclaimer?
no skills, just luck.
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Jessie Banda
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Posted - 2006.03.22 11:39:00 -
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Edited by: Jessie Banda on 22/03/2006 11:44:32
Well if they put up a big disclaimer, on their front page, near by the ads, and also on their forums, where these ads also appear plenty, they remove the ads or ccp removes them from fan site list yeah.
You by any chance involved with eve-radio any way? Since this bothers you so much?
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Jin Entres
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Posted - 2006.03.22 11:47:00 -
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According to a recent survey by Nick Yee (link), 22% (N = 1923) of respondents said that they had purchased virtual currency, the percentage increasing by age. This would indicate that adverts do reach the audience, and directly affect the amount of 'illegal' transactions.
I just opened the EVE Radio page for test and there were two relatively large adverts on top of the page. I would appreciate if EVE Radio could consider placing a warning in bold right above or below these ads.
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Usul Faust
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Posted - 2006.03.22 11:47:00 -
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I have nothing to do with eve-radio. I actually think it's rubbish, but that's not relevant. I couldn't give a monkey-spunk about people getting themselves banned from Eve, for whatever reason.
What i can't figure out is why you're so upset about this...
Originally by: Jessie Banda
Please CCP do something about this, as soon as possible, since this kind of behaviour advocates for ppl to try and break the eula. Tbh it disgusts me. Quote:
Mmmm. Emotive.
Why does it 'disgust' you? is this honestly the most important thing for you to spend your time doing?
no skills, just luck.
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Usul Faust
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Posted - 2006.03.22 11:54:00 -
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Heck, a bold text WARNING! would probably boost their click-through from curious muppets too. Everybody wins.
no skills, just luck.
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Barf Noodlinger
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Posted - 2006.03.22 11:58:00 -
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Originally by: Avon
FFS people.
The people who run these sites are doing a service to the community, and Google Ads pay the way.
If you don't like it, don't use the sites, or write to Google to complain.
Besides the obvious SERVICE ?!
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Sergio Ling
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Posted - 2006.03.22 12:04:00 -
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Originally by: Maya Rkell
When there are hosts like Micfo (http://www.micfo.com), who cost $10 a month for a first-rate host - I use them - then that does wear a little thin.
that's great. and does your first rate host allow you to stream gigabytes of data 24/7? cos for 10dollah, that's cheap
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Laqum
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Posted - 2006.03.22 12:06:00 -
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*click* - This thread has derailed.
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Avon
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Posted - 2006.03.22 12:07:00 -
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Originally by: Barf Noodlinger
Originally by: Avon
FFS people.
The people who run these sites are doing a service to the community, and Google Ads pay the way.
If you don't like it, don't use the sites, or write to Google to complain.
Besides the obvious SERVICE ?!
This is really starting to annoy me now.
Eve existed as a community long before the game was even released.
If you don't want to be part of the community, that's fine, stay out, cool, whatever.
However, people comming here preaching how people, who have gone out of their way to bring more to Eve, are doing something evil by finding a way to mitigate their webhost costs need to just shut up.
CCP values its community.
It understands that without it Eve would be a shadow of what it has become.
Now, neither CCP or the community want these ads, but they are for some a needed evil.
CCP have known about the ads on these sites for a long time, and have obviously decided that supporting their community is more important than worrying about some adverts. If they objected strongly those sites would have lost their 'official' links a long time ago.
Cut all the idealistic crusading crap and come visit the real world for a while.
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