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Raluque	Posted - 2006.03.21 16:25:00 - [1] Edited by: Raluque on 21/03/2006 16:26:25 Im not talking about skills here im talking about cost.. Whats the average price of setting up a corp? 1.5mil... How many days does it take to get 1.5mil if you start eve ? Around 2 in an Ibis mining/ratting.. Theres far too many Under 10man corps roaming about, which don't actually do anything.. Im just thinking maybe raise the cost to 10mil? or have concord impose a "corporation recognition fee" of maybe 1.5mil every month? Not much changes but that slight isk flow may just change things... Just my 2 cents Constructive ideas/criticisms only please.. --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Blind Man	Posted - 2006.03.21 16:26:00 - [2] why?
Raluque	Posted - 2006.03.21 16:27:00 - [3] Edited by: Raluque on 21/03/2006 16:27:37 Originally by: Raluque Theres far too many Under 10man corps roaming about, which don't actually do anything.. ... --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Blind Man	Posted - 2006.03.21 16:28:00 - [4] Ok... then what does it matter?
Raluque	Posted - 2006.03.21 16:29:00 - [5] It's irrating? Anyway, unless you have a better idea just disagree with me, instead of replying :P --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Zeonog	Posted - 2006.03.21 16:30:00 - [6] no
Soren	Posted - 2006.03.21 16:31:00 - [7] Originally by: Raluque It's irrating? Anyway, unless you have a better idea just disagree with me, instead of replying :P I'm in a corp with under 10 people, do I annoy you? ________________________________________________
Alexis DeTocqueville	Posted - 2006.03.21 16:31:00 - [8] Originally by: Raluque Theres far too many Under 10man corps roaming about, which don't actually do anything.. Yes, and lucky you would be able to swallow up all those newly corp-less people into gigantic megacorps. This is such a thinly-veiled attempt to shut out your competition it's sick.
aeti	Posted - 2006.03.21 16:32:00 - [9] Originally by: Raluque Edited by: Raluque on 21/03/2006 16:27:37 Originally by: Raluque Theres far too many Under 10man corps roaming about, which don't actually do anything.. ... so?
Niccolado Starwalker	Posted - 2006.03.21 16:33:00 - [10] Originally by: Raluque Edited by: Raluque on 21/03/2006 16:26:25 Im not talking about skills here im talking about cost.. Whats the average price of setting up a corp? 1.5mil... How many days does it take to get 1.5mil if you start eve ? Around 2 in an Ibis mining/ratting.. Theres far too many Under 10man corps roaming about, which don't actually do anything.. Im just thinking maybe raise the cost to 10mil? or have concord impose a "corporation recognition fee" of maybe 1.5mil every month? Not much changes but that slight isk flow may just change things... Just my 2 cents Constructive ideas/criticisms only please.. Not everyone wants to belong to a huge corporation and be just one of the zillion unknown member of that corp. As in the real world there are one man corporations till corporations holding hundred of thousand peoples. So, EVE just reflect the real world very much in this case.

LWMaverick	Posted - 2006.03.21 16:34:00 - [11] That is the stupidiest idea i have heard in a long time. Youre ideas are not constructive, you pointed out a possible solution, BUT youre reason?... "Its irritating"... Mkay? WHY?
Captain Merkin	Posted - 2006.03.21 16:34:00 - [12] Originally by: Raluque Edited by: Raluque on 21/03/2006 16:26:25 Im not talking about skills here im talking about cost.. Whats the average price of setting up a corp? 1.5mil... How many days does it take to get 1.5mil if you start eve ? Around 2 in an Ibis mining/ratting.. Theres far too many Under 10man corps roaming about, which don't actually do anything.. Im just thinking maybe raise the cost to 10mil? or have concord impose a "corporation recognition fee" of maybe 1.5mil every month? Not much changes but that slight isk flow may just change things... Just my 2 cents Constructive ideas/criticisms only please.. Every corp has to start somewhere, and you dont instantly have 100 members within an hour of starting a corp. A corp is also a great way to share resources between your accounts and friends if need be, which is in my eyes one of the building blocks of a corporation. am I wrong? Proving natural selection and Charles Darwin wrong since 1981. The Kamikaze pilot
Lisento Slaven	Posted - 2006.03.21 16:35:00 - [13] Would certainly make my job as a part time recruiter easier! CONCORD: We don't recognize your corp as a corp. >10mancorp: Why? CONCORD: Are those pretzels? I love pretzels! >10mancorp: :(
Blind Man	Posted - 2006.03.21 16:36:00 - [14] Originally by: Derelus If you don't like small corps, war dec them
Derelus	Posted - 2006.03.21 16:36:00 - [15] If you don't like small corps, war dec them --------------------
James Lyrus	Posted - 2006.03.21 16:37:00 - [16] Oh no, frigates are really cheap and everyone with just a tiny bit of cash and training, can use them, clearly there's far too many of them and this is a big problem. Sorry, I don't see the problem - corps all have to start somewhere. If corp members have fun, and enjoy themselves, well, so be it. I'd _rather_ see 100,000 1 person corps, than I would 40,000 people in newbie/npc corps. -- We are recruiting We sell carriers.
Ras Blumin	Posted - 2006.03.21 16:40:00 - [17] My alt and I are sorry about irritating you A dirty job - Released 2006.01.02
Suren Segolia	Posted - 2006.03.21 16:43:00 - [18] Actually, I feel that it's to hard to create a corp. It took a friend of mine a month to do it. Not all people can play more than a couple of hours a week so getting the extra 1.5 mil takes a while for a new player. They also need to get going in the game and usually don't have an extra 1.5 mil just laying around nor the skill training time to waste right away. Perhaps a two tiered corp setup? Anyone can setup a corp with a level 1 skill and say 250k isk. but it's limited to one office and can only have 3 members all of the same race. You need to upgrade your corp to have multiple offices, say a fee of 2.5 mill per office, possibly tied to a skill level also? Probably a bad idea, but... As a side note, I like the idea of a lot of smaller corps. I don't see any problems with them. Suren.
Phantom BlueNeutron	Posted - 2006.03.21 16:55:00 - [19] Sorry, i do not see the problem. What is the problem with too many under 10 man corps?
Viktor Fyretracker	Posted - 2006.03.21 17:00:00 - [20] why is under 10 members bad? being incorperated is far more then just being there, its a method of asset management and asset protection.

Gerbil Intaki	Posted - 2006.03.21 17:00:00 - [21] what happens to you when you corp disolves ? I do think that old corps with no active members should be "disolved" or be able to "buy them out" or "Merger" so you can consilidate smaller companys.
HippoKing	Posted - 2006.03.21 17:01:00 - [22] as the CEO of a 3man corp (maybe 4, i think theres an alt on one of our accounts in here atm), i'd like to propose my better idea: leave it as it is sigs of the 23/24/25 hijack just as well -eris yarrrr, i shall retake my sig -HippoKing Not a chance, our 1337 sig haXx0r sk1llz are too powerful! - Wrangler Ho-Ho-Hooooooo, Merry Saturday!11 - Immy Yo ho ho and a bottle of BReeEEEEeee.... - Jacques ARRRRRRchambault Stop spamming with "QFT" >:\|. - Teblin
Soren	Posted - 2006.03.21 17:08:00 - [23] Edited by: Soren on 21/03/2006 17:08:51 Originally by: HippoKing as the CEO of a 3man corp (maybe 4, i think theres an alt on one of our accounts in here atm), i'd like to propose my better idea: leave it as it is fascinating idea... i like it! somebody give this man a job!! ________________________________________________
Montague Zooma	Posted - 2006.03.21 17:47:00 - [24] "Because it's irritating" isn't a good enough reason. Pirates are irritating, too. Let's not go down that path. The 1.6 million isk I spent to form my own solo corp was a decent chunk of cash to me at the time. After a few months of playing, it became apparent that I needed to leave the npc corp. I'm not the sort of person who believes in corp-hopping, so I created my own to tide me over until I meet up with a corp where I truly belong. There's no need to tax me just because you don't like my playstyle. ------------------------------------------------------------------- One noob. One corp. One complete waste of 1.6 million isk.
Jet Collins	Posted - 2006.03.21 18:00:00 - [25] Small Corps for the Win \o/ !!! . Some people are really "irritating"... ie like the person who made this topic, and others complaining about other dumb "irritating" things...
Xodius Raldari	Posted - 2006.03.21 18:19:00 - [26] Forget about corps!! Alliances are the ones that are out of hand these days.
Jonis Sinmaker	Posted - 2006.03.21 18:44:00 - [27] Originally by: Xodius Raldari Forget about corps!! Alliances are the ones that are out of hand these days. how did I know this was coming.....please tell us how alliances are soooooooooo out of hand....because we work our a$$'s off to build/claim/play the game the way it's designed. Semper Fi Jonis Sinmaker Bring back Mines
Wanoah	Posted - 2006.03.21 18:50:00 - [28] Originally by: Xodius Raldari Forget about corps!! Alliances are the ones that are out of hand these days. Yeah, there's far too many alliances. They should get rid of the ones that I don't like. Chapter Four out now
Full Impact	Posted - 2006.03.21 18:50:00 - [29] Originally by: Raluque It's irrating? Anyway, unless you have a better idea just disagree with me, instead of replying :P You're irritating, can we get rid of you instead? It would be an easier fix "A fool finds no pleasure in understanding but delights in airing his own opinions"
Barak Torginn	Posted - 2006.03.21 18:52:00 - [30] Why is it irritating?

Jonis Sinmaker	Posted - 2006.03.21 18:57:00 - [31] It is irritating because he lacks the imagination. He must think it takes hundreds of players in one corporation to make anything happen. I have see a 10 man merc corp totally destroy a 127 man corporation. The size of the corporation means nothing as long as those within that corporation are having fun playing the game that THEY pay for. No one has the right to tell someone how many people need to be in their corporation....we aren't trying to make all corporations into N0ob corporations here. Semper Fi Jonis Sinmaker Bring back Mines
Garrack	Posted - 2006.03.21 19:14:00 - [32] Originally by: Raluque It's irrating? Anyway, unless you have a better idea just disagree with me, instead of replying :P Oh hey... is that a valid reason? SWEET! Here, I'd like to list the following things that I'd like changed in the game because it irritates me. #1. Giving characters named Garrack any less than 150B per day is irritating. Please fix that. #2. Not giving characters named Garrack a Raven as a shuttle is irritating. Please fix that. #3. Having anyone bigger or smarter than me be able to blow up my ship anywhere in the known univers is irritating. Please fix that. #4. Allowing people to post stuff that they don't like and ask us to fix it just because it's irritating... is irritating! Please fix that! Oh, wait... <chuckle> In all seriousness, though... you really can't base changes off of "you don't like it". CCP will likely respond if 80,000 people bring something up and it doesn't totally trash the game... but come on... <10 member corps? Who gives a fart? --- Singing: "I ain't got no siggy..."
Naleb Cilani	Posted - 2006.03.21 19:23:00 - [33] It's easy to create a corp. Not so easy in keeping it when your back is against the wall from war dec's. Balanced. Quote: if the repeatedly stated (not by players mind you) rules of the game don't agree with your "vision" of what this game ought to be... get lost.
Philoe Beddoe	Posted - 2006.03.21 19:26:00 - [34] Originally by: Raluque My corp has more than 10 people and is not useless. Just my 2 cents Constructive ideas/criticisms only please.. Fixed.
AlleyKat	Posted - 2006.03.21 19:34:00 - [35] Originally by: James Lyrus I'd _rather_ see 100,000 1 person corps, than I would 40,000 people in newbie/npc corps. QFT. Originally by: Darpz there is no way in hell that fits
Rutoo	Posted - 2006.03.21 19:40:00 - [36] The best time i had in EvE was when i was apart of a 10 Person Corp, in which i was the CEO and planning to get stuff done, i loved it ________________________________ Club Seals Not Sandwichs
Tsual	Posted - 2006.03.21 19:58:00 - [37] Opening up a 100 man alliance consiting soley of 100 one man corps would be quite more irritating I'd say. ******************** Tsual - Highly ore adddicted.
Gariuys	Posted - 2006.03.21 20:00:00 - [38] Originally by: HippoKing as the CEO of a 3man corp (maybe 4, i think theres an alt on one of our accounts in here atm), i'd like to propose my better idea: leave it as it is Wow such a creative approach to this problem, never would have thought of that. Simple to implement, flexible and caters to all. Lovely job Hippo keep up the good work. ~{When evil and strange get together anything is possible}~ A tool is only useless when you don't know how to use it. - ActiveX The grass is always greener on the other side. - JoCool
Neue Regel	Posted - 2006.03.21 20:08:00 - [39] Irritating? I will tell you what is irritating... Starting your day like every other day, walking to the train early in the morning, 7am. Arriving at the station and wondering why everyone is on the wrong side of the tracks, some people panicking and all staring in one direction. Then you look on the train tracks and there is a man, or two parts of a man. One part of him on one side of the track, and the other part on the other side, leg twitching. Police arrive and quickly cover the corpse. This is something I will never forget in my head. This is irritating. For his wife and children he left behind. That is irritating. Puts things into perspective doesnÆt it? This game is just that, a game. Please people, be careful around trains, they are deadly.
Duana	Posted - 2006.03.21 20:31:00 - [40] Edited by: Duana on 21/03/2006 20:32:17 Originally by: James Lyrus Oh no, frigates are really cheap and everyone with just a tiny bit of cash and training, can use them, clearly there's far too many of them and this is a big problem. This is a great analogy =) -------------------- Juffo-Wup fills my fibers and I grow turgid. Violent action ensues.

The D	Posted - 2006.03.21 20:36:00 - [41] Then there is the Black Death which killed MILLIONS of people, and so nothng else can ever be irritating again? Hrm, anyway... I agree that every-newbie-and-his-dog shouldnt be able to set up a corp. IMHO we should have:- * More base requirements on the Corp Management skill. It needed to be easy to train back at release, but now it doesnt. There is also precident for changing the requirements of skills already ingame, you never used to need light+heavy missile 3 for cruise. * Corp creation cost increased to 50m. Its a lotta paperwork ya know? I dont have a problem with 10 man corps but untill we get more stability in corps we will never see shares etc properly implimented. * Alliance creation cost increased to 3bill. They should be few and far between, there are lots of random alliances these days that dont even claim any space :/
Kira Natel	Posted - 2006.03.21 20:40:00 - [42] Eve revolves around corps; Large, Medium and small.
Melkor Bloodaxe	Posted - 2006.03.21 21:29:00 - [43] Originally by: James Lyrus Oh no, frigates are really cheap and everyone with just a tiny bit of cash and training, can use them, clearly there's far too many of them and this is a big problem. I presume that's about war-decing them. Well, fight them in frigs then, frig-fights are cool. --- 49. Fares Hrym from the east / holding his shield the Mithgard-Worm / in mighty rage scatters the waves / screams the eagle his nib tears the dead / Naglfar loosens. [Voluspa]
Philoe Beddoe	Posted - 2006.03.21 21:29:00 - [44] I think it is too easy to start playing the game of Eve Online. I propose we have to pre-order the game copy for 3 easy payments of $19.99, followed by a fourth that must be payed in Wampum. Then when the software arrives on punchcards, which must then be copied to disk, somehow. When installing, you should have to enter a security code 40 characters long, which is typed in WingDings font. Next, waiting for the voice authorization phone call, in Chinese. Once you are confirmed, you start in your pod and must run delivery missions to earn your noob ship. Thank heavens I'm already signed up.
Maya Rkell	Posted - 2006.03.21 21:34:00 - [45] Originally by: Soren Edited by: Soren on 21/03/2006 17:08:51 Originally by: HippoKing as the CEO of a 3man corp (maybe 4, i think theres an alt on one of our accounts in here atm), i'd like to propose my better idea: leave it as it is fascinating idea... i like it! somebody give this man a job!! pulls out the electrodes Aww, wait, job, not jolt. Darn. Digital Communist> The Jin-Mei are probably more profficient in training for Tofu and Noodles than Spaceship Command
Big Muthatrucker	Posted - 2006.03.23 09:52:00 - [46] I have a rash on my rear....it's prety irritating....NERF MY RASH!!!
Spahn X	Posted - 2006.03.23 11:02:00 - [47] Edited by: Spahn X on 23/03/2006 11:04:39 I wouldn't have a problem with corp building costs being raised substantially, so long as there was an easy method to transfer dozens of items from one of your characters to another. Could you imagine trying to be patient enough to escrow 150 items from your main to your alt? Nah, I much prefer corp hangars. Sadly the only way to get a corp hangar is to, well, you guessed it, HAVE TWO CHARACTERS IN A CORP! And while we're on the topic of things that are irritating. Seeing all this damn space junk used as bookmarks at points is irritating me. Scanning the system for someone to blow up gets frustrating when you keep seeing the same space junk in the display. Please, keep our universe clean.
Copine Callmeknau	Posted - 2006.03.23 11:10:00 - [48] You're irratating, why don't CCP delete you? ------- With five million sheep in this army I seem to be the only one fit to command
Deja Thoris	Posted - 2006.03.23 11:29:00 - [49] Dont worry, all the little corps get dec'd by griefer types. Then they realize the ability to start a corp and the ability to survive as one are not the same. Dumb idea btw. I swear this forum breaks new records for idiocy every day.
Constantine Arcanum	Posted - 2006.03.23 11:49:00 - [50] Originally by: Raluque Edited by: Raluque on 21/03/2006 16:26:25 Im not talking about skills here im talking about cost.. Whats the average price of setting up a corp? 1.5mil... How many days does it take to get 1.5mil if you start eve ? Around 2 in an Ibis mining/ratting.. Theres far too many Under 10man corps roaming about, which don't actually do anything.. Im just thinking maybe raise the cost to 10mil? or have concord impose a "corporation recognition fee" of maybe 1.5mil every month? Not much changes but that slight isk flow may just change things... Just my 2 cents Constructive ideas/criticisms only please.. Easy to set up, HARD to run. -----------------------------------------------

Nee'kita Frist	Posted - 2006.03.23 11:51:00 - [51] Edited by: Nee''kita Frist on 23/03/2006 11:51:36 Originally by: Raluque It's irrating? Clear off if thats the only reason. Its just as bad as people who say. Mining sucks I want more mining cos I get bored, give me asteroids as a mini game to play! -------------- I'm just bitter
Hohenheim OfLight	Posted - 2006.03.23 12:12:00 - [52] When did the price drop, I remeber when we set up my curretn corp cost us 10 mil. It should be cheap to start up corps, seeing as its so cheap to war dec them. ----------------------------------------------
Liu Lijuan	Posted - 2006.03.23 12:16:00 - [53] Do you hate the small buisiness person in RL...do you think your corner shop is irratating??? And how do you know we do nothing? We may sit in station but we do manufacture and sell thing..without that no market... Corps with <10 people maybe RL friends who what to do their own thing.. tbh there are too many people in NPC corps!!!
Rellik B00n	Posted - 2006.03.23 12:19:00 - [54] Edited by: Rellik B00n on 23/03/2006 12:19:44 . Originally by: Raluque How many days does it take to get 1.5mil if you start eve ? Around 2 in an Ibis mining/ratting.. If you are a real beginner 2 days is waaaaaaay off the mark. You dont have an alt to buy all your skillbooks and eq you gotta self finance. Personally i think 1.5m is quite a lot for a newb to raise. You dont remember sitting in a 1.0 mining veldspar in a POS frig thinking omg 7m for a cruiser thats going to take forever!!11? As a new player i see so many posts saying things like remove instas / make things cost more etc etc and im sure its a great idea if your already worth a billion but it sucks MUCH if you are just starting out. i vote no. . Tractor Drones! I used to have a sig here but apparently the server cannot handle sigs bigger than a small pea

Chribba	Posted - 2006.03.23 12:44:00 - [55] Originally by: Ras Blumin My alt and I are sorry about irritating you signed. So am I and Elyza. EVE-Files \| EVE-Search \| Monitor this Thread

BlueWizardisabouttoDIE	Posted - 2006.03.23 12:53:00 - [56] If this is of such great concern, above all else, to start a topic here then I would suggest that your gaming experience is just fine...and that you are spending too much effort thinking about the incidentals of Eve Online.
Cold Front	Posted - 2006.03.23 13:16:00 - [57] Originally by: Rellik B00n Edited by: Rellik B00n on 23/03/2006 12:19:44 If you are a real beginner 2 days is waaaaaaay off the mark. You dont have an alt to buy all your skillbooks and eq you gotta self finance. Personally i think 1.5m is quite a lot for a newb to raise. You dont remember sitting in a 1.0 mining veldspar in a POS frig thinking omg 7m for a cruiser thats going to take forever!!11? 1.5 mil is easy nowadays, all you need to do is complete the 2 training missions, follow up with the 8 part storyline get the implant, quick sell and in under 2 hrs you have 2.5 mil. 1 main 2 alts, 1 morning and you have enough cash for corp creation and skillbooks for the next 2 months. Rinse and repeat with the alts over a week and theres your isk for advanced learning skills and a cruiser. I did this on another account and it works a treat.
Da Death	Posted - 2006.03.23 13:22:00 - [58] I wonder buy people try to raise taxes, fees and other penalties in eve. I see those threads allover the forums. I wonder what psychological effect eve has on the individual... But back to topic: Why should it get more expensive? If u have a corp u get aplace where you can sort ur stuff easier in 6 tabs and the hangar and to pay for that 1.5m should be enough. I guess thats the main reason to start a corp, it makes manufacturing and research just easier. so my opinion: It is not necesarry to raise fees. period Selling: Absolution - Curse - Gleam S - BPC's - check my bio
W Floyd	Posted - 2006.03.23 13:25:00 - [59] I agree with Raluque, here's how I look at it: I can take FPS-Online as an example. A long time ago through a 56 kB/s modem far, far away, a clan tag meant that the player was a devoted gamer, who put serious effort in playing, and competing with other clans. Nowadays, 9/10 CounterStrike players have [Bananas are yellow] or something in front of their name, which has taken away the initial purpose of the tags. An Eve corporation should symbolize that "this is a group of devoted players who has achieved something considerable", and therefore it should be harder to found a corp. The easier it gets to found a corp, the more meaningless mini-corps will appear and this is not something that I'd like to see in the game.
Slaveabuser	Posted - 2006.03.23 13:31:00 - [60] Originally by: Raluque Just my 2 cents Your currency is no good here. Killing the Minmatars since 22480 AD

Tonkin	Posted - 2006.03.23 13:36:00 - [61] there merc corps that have 5 peeps in them, small corps you can have good wars with, plus peeps like there own little clubs, my corp is huge atm but we where all small corps at one point you need to start off small may remain like that for a while and they become bigger over time will kill anythin for the right price
Rellik B00n	Posted - 2006.03.23 13:46:00 - [62] Originally by: Cold Front 1.5 mil is easy nowadays, all you need to do is complete the 2 training missions, follow up with the 8 part storyline get the implant, quick sell and in under 2 hrs you have 2.5 mil. 1 main 2 alts, 1 morning and you have enough cash for corp creation and skillbooks for the next 2 months. Rinse and repeat with the alts over a week and theres your isk for advanced learning skills and a cruiser. and of course someone that just started playing is totally aware of this way of making ISK Its a good method to be fair but the OP was acting like any old n00b can raise 1.5 mill in a day and i was merely stating that in fact only people that already know how to play can do that. . Tractor Drones! I used to have a sig here but apparently the server cannot handle sigs bigger than a small pea
Captain Merkin	Posted - 2006.03.23 14:20:00 - [63] Look on the bright side of it... you can wardec them ;) too many folks complaining that too many people in noob corp and now you complaining that its too easy to make a corp :s great lets get more people out of noob corps by making it harder to set up a corp. Even if it was just me I would use a corp to arrange my belongings and such... if you have a problem with people being in a corp remove them from it violently and have them join noob corp ;) Proving natural selection and Charles Darwin wrong since 1981. The Kamikaze pilot
xPreatorianx	Posted - 2006.03.23 14:43:00 - [64] Edited by: xPreatorianx on 23/03/2006 14:43:33 Sorry my 4 man corp makes you mad but me and my friends like it and we are gonna stay in this corp. Btw the current system is prefectly fine!
Constantine Arcanum	Posted - 2006.03.23 14:49:00 - [65] I stand by my earlier point... easy to set up but hard to run (well). -----------------------------------------------


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